Yestarday I read on the website from Dynatech (a big german calculator
seller) that there would be 2 new calculators from HP in this summer.
The new HP 39 GS and a new HP 50 G, but they have no further
infrmations and no pics of both.
Does anybody here know more?

Greetings
Tom

The following is the Google Translation of the German on the
www.Dynatech.de website:

12.05.2006

HEWLETT PACKARD announced today two new products in their series of
graphing calculators.

The HP-39 gs will replace the past HP-39 G and HP-39 G plus. The exact
date of delivery is still unknown, presumably summer 2006.

The new HP-50 G will supplement the series of CAS calculators. It is
planned to be equipped with still more features. This calculator should
be available after summer holidays.

199,95 Euros

Google gives:
<http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/cache/297977-0-0-225-121.html> (1st
Place  Winner: College Division)

Ullrich wrote:
> Google gives:
> <http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/cache/297977-0-0-225-121.html> (1st
> Place  Winner: College Division)

A logical model name choise

Year 2009 we will get new hp 41gs & hp 42gs w/o CAS & with CAS
Naturally 48gIII is released together with hp 51g
a new low end hp 11s & hp 11g are released as well
In the midrange we will enjoy hp 34s
hp 12b & hp 17b will start simple naming for business calcs

All this is pure speculation

It appears to resemble an elongated Expander!

Han wrote:
> It appears to resemble an elongated Expander!

You may be referring to a picture of a Casio Classpad, which they used
as a placeholder.

Oh! Hehe! Goes to show you how much ... er little I know about Casio
machines.

Ullrich wrote:
> Google gives:
> <http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/cache/297977-0-0-225-121.html> (1st
> Place  Winner: College Division)
> 
nothing to do with what hp is about to release.

JY

That is me.  I called my entry the 50G simply because it has kind of
been the name for the next calculator for a long time.  Unless it has a
built in cell phone. . . then people (actually 1 in particular) have
called it the 58GX+++super or some silly thing like that.

I wonder how long it will be before a search for 50G graphing
calculator won't show me up on the top of the list.

TW

tom wrote:
> Yestarday I read on the website from Dynatech (a big german calculator
> seller) that there would be 2 new calculators from HP in this summer.
> The new HP 39 GS and a new HP 50 G, but they have no further
> infrmations and no pics of both.
> Does anybody here know more?
>
> Greetings
> Tom

Is it my imagination or is TI (TI-Nspire} and HP (HP50G) either
releasing their new calculators in Germany or are engaging in some type
of unusual calculator competition there?

I wonder if the fact that it is a 50 and not a 49g++ super means we
will get something really new.
I hope so but also hope it will be compatible with the 49, at least at
RPL level.

What about a return of the Qonos? I seem to remember Jean Yves saying
that it was (might be?) moving again recently.

Arnaud

Until more information comes out I'm going to put my 49G+ retrofit
design on the back burner (no further than CAD).  My guess is that it
will be a 49G+ with a higher clock speed, improved color scheme, and
more connectivity options.  In which


Arnaud Amiel wrote:
> I wonder if the fact that it is a 50 and not a 49g++ super means we
> will get something really new.
> I hope so but also hope it will be compatible with the 49, at least at
> RPL level.
>
> What about a return of the Qonos? I seem to remember Jean Yves saying
> that it was (might be?) moving again recently.
> 
> Arnaud

hugh.evans@openrpn.org wrote:
> Until more information comes out I'm going to put my 49G+ retrofit
> design on the back burner (no further than CAD).  My guess is that it
> will be a 49G+ with a higher clock speed, improved color scheme, and
> more connectivity options.  In which
your *retrofit* kit will work in the 50 if it ever works for the 49g+

JY

On 18 May 2006 09:31:03 -0700, "Joe Horn" <joehorn@holyjoe.net> wrote:

>The following is the Google Translation of the German on the
>www.Dynatech.de website:
>
>12.05.2006
>
>HEWLETT PACKARD announced today two new products in their series of
>graphing calculators.
>
>The HP-39 gs will replace the past HP-39 G and HP-39 G plus. The exact
>date of delivery is still unknown, presumably summer 2006.
>
>The new HP-50 G will supplement the series of CAS calculators. It is
>planned to be equipped with still more features. 

Including the keyboard?...

A.L.

Jean-Yves Avenard schrieb:
> nothing to do with what hp is about to release.

Hi Jean-Yves,
what IS hp about to release? Could you give some details to enlight us.

It seems that you hase some knowledge about this product.
Has hidryx worked on this product ?
And if Yes is this production a revolution or just an evolution
compared to the HP49G+ ?

Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> Ullrich wrote:
> > Google gives:
> > <http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/cache/297977-0-0-225-121.html> (1st
> > Place  Winner: College Division)
> > 
> nothing to do with what hp is about to release.
> 
> JY

Ullrich wrote:

> Hi Jean-Yves,
> what IS hp about to release? Could you give some details to enlight us.

They're about to release "the press". You'll know this because, in a few 
days, you'll see an announcement from HP saying "Press Release".

;-)

-- 
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey
England
<firstname>@<surname>.plus.com -- fix the obvious for email

johnet123 wrote:
> tom wrote:
> 
>>Yestarday I read on the website from Dynatech (a big german calculator
>>seller) that there would be 2 new calculators from HP in this summer.
>>The new HP 39 GS and a new HP 50 G, but they have no further
>>infrmations and no pics of both.
>>Does anybody here know more?
>>
>>Greetings
>>Tom
> 
> 
> Is it my imagination or is TI (TI-Nspire} and HP (HP50G) either
> releasing their new calculators in Germany or are engaging in some type
> of unusual calculator competition there?
> 
I am reserving about $200 for the 50G, whatever it is.

Martin Cohen

martin cohen wrote:

>> Is it my imagination or is TI (TI-Nspire} and HP (HP50G) either
>> releasing their new calculators in Germany or are engaging in some type
>> of unusual calculator competition there?
>> 
>I am reserving about $200 for the 50G, whatever it is.

Mee too.

And by the way: when i saw the first photos of the upcoming TI nspire
CAS Handheld, i couldn't any other way than thinking of the Qonos...

In my opinion it looks very similar.

Volker
-- 
Besides, i'm of the opinon, that TCPA has to be stopped

Hi,

I asked at HP Germany and they answered that the calc responsibility is
at the firm Moravia (Germany).

So I asked them and they answered:

(HP-50G...)
- is planned but not on the market yet
- gets an improved display (more room for graphics e.g.)
- USB plus serial interface
- a new and enlarged equation library
- format of the SD cards is FAT32

I think there is nothing really new for you, but I liked to tell you
this little bit of information...

....

sorry that I'd forgotten to mention that the very first answer (via
phone) was:

"... as an improvement because of the keyboard issues...".

Then I asked them in an e-mail for more information concerning the
features and I received the above quoted "details".

> - gets an improved display (more room for graphics e.g.)

I would guess they are saying "improved display" to the 80x131 pixel
size.  Considering how much work it took to get the larger 49g+ display
working correctly, I doubt another size increase is in order.
(Although if they split each pixel into 9 smaller pixels I wouldn't
complain. . . ;-)

> - USB plus serial interface

Seen that on the 40GS.  Makes sense. . .

> - a new and enlarged equation library

New and enlarged?  Or simply included?  The rom that comes on new 49g+
doesn't have it already.  You need to upgrade.

> - format of the SD cards is FAT32

Yup.  Seen that already.

> I think there is nothing really new for you, but I liked to tell you
> this little bit of information...

Hopefully they didn't mention the best upgrade. . . a completely
redesigned/fixed keyboard.  Let us all hope. =)

TW

timiteh@gmail.com wrote:
> It seems that you hase some knowledge about this product.
> Has hidryx worked on this product ?
> And if Yes is this production a revolution or just an evolution
> compared to the HP49G+ ?

Revolution:
 - the keyboard works!

I can't call a revolution something which was supposed to work out of
the box with the HP49G+.
If the HP50G is just what the HP49G+ was supposed to be, i would be
very disappointed.
At least TI is about to release a really new product with a new
hardware and a new O.S.
If HP is unable to release new product then they should work with
hidryx to manufacture a version of Qonos(without TI68K emulator) as
well as to design future products.

Veli-Pekka Nousiainen a =E9crit :

> timiteh@gmail.com wrote:
> > It seems that you hase some knowledge about this product.
> > Has hidryx worked on this product ?
> > And if Yes is this production a revolution or just an evolution
> > compared to the HP49G+ ?
>=20
> Revolution:
>  - the keyboard works!

I wish it comes with 1 GB memory, Libs could be installed on port 3,
you can DELETE directories on SD card, and some others, can I dream on
?

Daniel

Sadly from HP,given their past track record,  you should be satisfied merely 
if the keyboard works , does not break after reasonable use and the paint 
job/key labels  don't rub off!
<duenodemonte@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1148216348.275925.80320@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>I wish it comes with 1 GB memory, Libs could be installed on port 3,
> you can DELETE directories on SD card, and some others, can I dream on
> ?
>
> Daniel
> 

duenodemonte@gmail.com wrote:
> I wish it comes with 1 GB memory,

You need to buy that SD card yourself
While you are at it, get 2 GB

>Libs could be installed on port 3,

Not on my machine, please
but one could in crease the internal Flash somewhat
like 2MB OS + 2MB User

> you can DELETE directories on SD card, and some others, can I dream on

Well that would be nice!
Also
update from 32-bit FAT
overall good SD usage
Used as a mass storage device on a WinXP machine

increased CPU run speed (not the slow mode)
while it has 4 batteries the CPU could be permanantly 90 MHz
to make it slightly snappier on everything

I think that hp 51 could have 131*96 pixel LCD
the same way the 49g+ expanded the LCD from the 64 to 80
1st version as a "permanent" header option
then later perhaps full screen usage

Then the hp 52C model might have finally Color LCD

hp 53 could...

I am sad to see that the last chance for my 49G (for gunk)+ calc's last 
chance is lost. I guess the Sony UX180P with Derive etc is my only future.
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=VGNUX180P&Dept=computers&CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_UX_Series
<hugh.evans@openrpn.org> wrote in message 
news:1148032658.445076.316660@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Until more information comes out I'm going to put my 49G+ retrofit
> design on the back burner (no further than CAD).  My guess is that it
> will be a 49G+ with a higher clock speed, improved color scheme, and
> more connectivity options.  In which
>
>
> Arnaud Amiel wrote:
>> I wonder if the fact that it is a 50 and not a 49g++ super means we
>> will get something really new.
>> I hope so but also hope it will be compatible with the 49, at least at
>> RPL level.
>>
>> What about a return of the Qonos? I seem to remember Jean Yves saying
>> that it was (might be?) moving again recently.
>>
>> Arnaud
> 

ME wrote:
> I am sad to see that the last chance for my 49G (for gunk)+ calc's
> last chance is lost. I guess the Sony UX180P with Derive etc is my
> only future.
> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=VGNUX180P&Dept=computers&CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_UX_Series

I think that that is a true pocket PC
but
the batteries will not even last a full day
not to mention about a situation when you really stress it with Derive

I noticed that the reference to the HP-50G has been removed from the
German website. I suppose that means that it was all a mistake and that
there will not be a new calculator after all ;-)

johnet123 wrote:
> I noticed that the reference to the HP-50G has been removed from the
> German website. I suppose that means that it was all a mistake and
> that there will not be a new calculator after all ;-)

/&%(/%#"(=)!"/�=)(
<sensored> 

The larger battery will provide 5 to 9 hours which is plenty for me when on 
the go. When at my desk the plug in AC adapter will be fine. I hope that the 
rumors of a flash drive are real. If this is true then battery life should 
be increased significantly.
"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@dlc.fi> wrote in message 
news:pf%bg.4066$in7.1164@reader1.news.jippii.net...
> ME wrote:
>> I am sad to see that the last chance for my 49G (for gunk)+ calc's
>> last chance is lost. I guess the Sony UX180P with Derive etc is my
>> only future.
>> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=VGNUX180P&Dept=computers&CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_UX_Series
>
> I think that that is a true pocket PC
> but
> the batteries will not even last a full day
> not to mention about a situation when you really stress it with Derive
>
> 

ME wrote:
> The larger battery will provide 5 to 9 hours which is plenty for me
> when on the go. When at my desk the plug in AC adapter will be fine.
> I hope that the rumors of a flash drive are real. If this is true
> then battery life should be increased significantly.
> "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@dlc.fi> wrote in message
> news:pf%bg.4066$in7.1164@reader1.news.jippii.net...
>> ME wrote:
>>> I am sad to see that the last chance for my 49G (for gunk)+ calc's
>>> last chance is lost. I guess the Sony UX180P with Derive etc is my
>>> only future.
>>> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=VGNUX180P&Dept=computers&CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_UX_Series
>>
>> I think that that is a true pocket PC
>> but
>> the batteries will not even last a full day
>> not to mention about a situation when you really stress it with
>> Derive

There is a "global" (not for this device only)
2�" 32GB Flash Drive coming soon...
Price unknown at the moment, more expensive anyway
Faster, shock-resistant, power-saving, etc...
Now THAT would make it a good choise

I think I'll wait for the 2nd gen of Origamis

It's back, with some more information.

Hi,

I didn't see any reference that the '50g'
is an RPL machine at all.

So it could also be a new design...

Raymond

"timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:1148207051.220265.139480@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I can't call a revolution something which was supposed to work out of
the box with the HP49G+.
If the HP50G is just what the HP49G+ was supposed to be, i would be
very disappointed.
At least TI is about to release a really new product with a new
hardware and a new O.S.
If HP is unable to release new product then they should work with
hidryx to manufacture a version of Qonos(without TI68K emulator) as
well as to design future products.

Veli-Pekka Nousiainen a �crit :

> timiteh@gmail.com wrote:
> > It seems that you hase some knowledge about this product.
> > Has hidryx worked on this product ?
> > And if Yes is this production a revolution or just an evolution
> > compared to the HP49G+ ?
>
> Revolution:
>  - the keyboard works!

Of course , the UX180P is not an origami.
"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@dlc.fi> wrote in message 
news:7R9cg.4391$_q5.2529@reader1.news.jippii.net...
> ME wrote:
>> The larger battery will provide 5 to 9 hours which is plenty for me
>> when on the go. When at my desk the plug in AC adapter will be fine.
>> I hope that the rumors of a flash drive are real. If this is true
>> then battery life should be increased significantly.
>> "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@dlc.fi> wrote in message
>> news:pf%bg.4066$in7.1164@reader1.news.jippii.net...
>>> ME wrote:
>>>> I am sad to see that the last chance for my 49G (for gunk)+ calc's
>>>> last chance is lost. I guess the Sony UX180P with Derive etc is my
>>>> only future.
>>>> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=VGNUX180P&Dept=computers&CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_UX_Series
>>>
>>> I think that that is a true pocket PC
>>> but
>>> the batteries will not even last a full day
>>> not to mention about a situation when you really stress it with
>>> Derive
>
> There is a "global" (not for this device only)
> 2�" 32GB Flash Drive coming soon...
> Price unknown at the moment, more expensive anyway
> Faster, shock-resistant, power-saving, etc...
> Now THAT would make it a good choise
>
> I think I'll wait for the 2nd gen of Origamis
>
> 

ME wrote:
> Of course , the UX180P is not an origami.

Oh - thanks for the clarification!

fbalzer wrote:
> It's back, with some more information.

One extra thing that I want is slightly more run-time speed
eg. slow-mode as it is,
but with 4 AAA you could have 90MHz or 105MHz "default" run mode
Increasing it slightly with each evolutionary model
one can always have a new faster model

timwessman@gmail.com writes:
> I would guess they are saying "improved display" to the 80x131 pixel
> size.  Considering how much work it took to get the larger 49g+ display
> working correctly, I doubt another size increase is in order.
> (Although if they split each pixel into 9 smaller pixels I wouldn't
> complain. . . ;-)

Possibly the work they did to expand it for the 49G+ has removed most or all
of the internal hardcoding that made it difficult.

Eric Smith wrote:

> Possibly the work they did to expand it for the 49G+ has removed most or all
> of the internal hardcoding that made it difficult.

The improvement they are talking about sound like what the rom update 
for the 49g+ brought.

JY

So have you worked on this product or no ?
If yes is it just an evolution or could we expect some significant
improvements besides a working keyboard which must have been a feature
of the original HP49G+.

Remember:

Anyone who talks about a rumored product did not work on the product.

Why?

Because anyone who worked on a rumored product would be under a strict
non-disclosure agreement where they cannot talk about a purported
product.

That is ALWAYS the case.

If someone did talk about a product before it was released, regardless
of the manufacturer, they would either a) be in trouble with the
company, b) not work on any future products or c) both.

Look at how Apple Computer takes people to court who leak information
about rumored products.

So, again, why would you think JYA would publicly answer this type of
question?

Gene
Disclaimer: I may or may not know what I'm talking about. I also may or
may not know whether aliens landed in Roswell New Mexico. I do know
that I don't always know what I'm talking about...I think.

Gene wrote:

> Anyone who talks about a rumored product did not work on the product.

Correct, but he CAN talk about the RUMORS, as such, since they are
publicly known. He cannot, of course, reveal which rumors are accurate,
if any.

> So, again, why would you think JYA would publicly answer this type of
> question?

"Lead us not into temptation"?  o:-)

-jkh-
Disclaimer: That's the rumor, anyway.

On Tue, 23 May 2006 10:12:10 -0500, HP Gene wrote:

> ...a rumored product...

But here are the first actual *photos* of HP50G (and HP50S!)

On http://www.katiestreasures.com.au/jewe-earring.html [bottom right]

Head Pins
HP50G Gold $ 0.10 each
HP50S Silver $ 0.10 each

To compute, move the pins around your Cribbage board.

[r->] [OFF]

John H Meyers wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 10:12:10 -0500, HP Gene wrote:
>
> > ...a rumored product...
>
> But here are the first actual *photos* of HP50G (and HP50S!)
>
> On http://www.katiestreasures.com.au/jewe-earring.html [bottom right]
>
> Head Pins
> HP50G Gold $ 0.10 each
> HP50S Silver $ 0.10 each
>
> To compute, move the pins around your Cribbage board.
>
> [r->] [OFF]

So the R&D and possibly production of the new units has moved back to
Australia.  Good news!!!

HP's merger with Katie's appears to be very apropos ("Where Customer
Service is #1," according to the website).  Good to know!

Also, the keyboard issues seem to have been laid to rest once and
forever.  The new shapes are simply revolutionary.  Too bad for Kinpo,
but you just can't hold up progress!

Do you know where does it have the batteries ?  I could not find where
to put them !

Maybe they have new solar capture energy, so do not require of
batteries .... !

Then I=B4ll prefer them on Silver, because the Gold on my HP49G+ has
disappear after a year  of heavy use.

Daniel

Gene wrote:
> Remember:
>
> Anyone who talks about a rumored product did not work on the product.
>
> Why?
>
> Because anyone who worked on a rumored product would be under a strict
> non-disclosure agreement where they cannot talk about a purported
> product.
>
> That is ALWAYS the case.
>
> If someone did talk about a product before it was released, regardless
> of the manufacturer, they would either a) be in trouble with the
> company, b) not work on any future products or c) both.
AND
since I'm not a betatester or anyway involved
I can freely say that yes
it seems to be a slightly evolutionary product
with excellent keyboard and some other enhancements
4*AAA batteries and both RS & USB
The ROM is naturally updated , but there is no HUGE changes

If I'm not taken in I can also start to talk about the HP-51G project
What about the new secret handheld,
which is based on a iPAQ and these features:
<witheld in hope to get into the project>

How do I know these?
a) anyone could guess it
b) bull***** around with no knowledge whatsoever
c) calculator division of HP is so predictable
d) demonic powers so me the future
e) evolution of CAS calculatrice is so obvious
f) full knowledge of all HP project is available on a crackers net site
g) googling around & putting the pieces together
h) I have broken into several web sources and gained secret information
i) I'm so good at guessing
j) just rumours
....
z) zomeone at HPQ in the USA is tipping me off now & then

If it is just an evolutionnary product then i am absolutely not
interested.
Especially if the HP50G is what the HP49G+ was supposed to be.
Seriously i wonder why HP has fired the ACO as they obviously need the
help of hydryx to release even barely improved products over their
current line.
They should make an agreement with hydryx to let them design the
replacant of the HP49G series with Qonos as the starting point.

hp is obviously off track and flailing wildly at best. They need to do 
something drastically different. They should be considering all 
possibilities to return  their reputation to it former status!
"timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1148631448.168811.252340@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> If it is just an evolutionnary product then i am absolutely not
> interested.
> Especially if the HP50G is what the HP49G+ was supposed to be.
> Seriously i wonder why HP has fired the ACO as they obviously need the
> help of hydryx to release even barely improved products over their
> current line.
> They should make an agreement with hydryx to let them design the
> replacant of the HP49G series with Qonos as the starting point.
> 

frank.bilz wrote:

> I asked at HP Germany and they answered that the calc [distributing]
> responsibility is at the firm Moravia

Keyboard at upper right sure looks modern (and familiar?):
http://www.moravia-consulting.com/en/home/?id=3D12-moravia-consulting
http://www.moravia-consulting.com/css/templates/moravia/right.jpg

"MORAVIA Consulting is the Master distributor of HP calculators..."
In 2003 we began constructing a new building close to Brno=B4s airport"

Why would anyone in so beautiful a city
direct their gaze towards a calculator instead?
http://www.virtourist.com/europe/brno

Yes.
I think that producing a HP50G(which is what the HP49G+ should have
been) is the last thing to do especially if they have even the single
hope to get a significant share of the calculators market.
HP i should design a new generation of calculators both for
educationnal and professionnal(if calculators are still useful for
professionnal) purpose.
According to me all educationnal graphing calculators(high end and low
end) should have nowadays this minimum:
*A high resolution touch sensitive screen
*A more graphic interface to fully take advantage of touch sensitive
screen
*A decent keyboard as the touch screen must be an improvement to
calculators and shouldn't remove one good feature of calculators:a
great keyboard for computations
*Pretty Print and Equation Writer even for purely numeric calculators

Also it is time that so call high end graphing calculators(besides the
HP48/49 series) have more advanced graphing abilities such as 3d
parametric surfaces plotting.
It is a shame that none calculators besides the HP48/49 series had this
feature.


ME a =E9crit :

> hp is obviously off track and flailing wildly at best. They need to do
> something drastically different. They should be considering all
> possibilities to return  their reputation to it former status!
> "timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1148631448.168811.252340@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > If it is just an evolutionnary product then i am absolutely not
> > interested.
> > Especially if the HP50G is what the HP49G+ was supposed to be.
> > Seriously i wonder why HP has fired the ACO as they obviously need the
> > help of hydryx to release even barely improved products over their
> > current line.
> > They should make an agreement with hydryx to let them design the
> > replacant of the HP49G series with Qonos as the starting point.
> >

I agree with all that you have said.
"timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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Yes.
I think that producing a HP50G(which is what the HP49G+ should have
been) is the last thing to do especially if they have even the single
hope to get a significant share of the calculators market.
HP i should design a new generation of calculators both for
educationnal and professionnal(if calculators are still useful for
professionnal) purpose.
According to me all educationnal graphing calculators(high end and low
end) should have nowadays this minimum:
*A high resolution touch sensitive screen
*A more graphic interface to fully take advantage of touch sensitive
screen
*A decent keyboard as the touch screen must be an improvement to
calculators and shouldn't remove one good feature of calculators:a
great keyboard for computations
*Pretty Print and Equation Writer even for purely numeric calculators

Also it is time that so call high end graphing calculators(besides the
HP48/49 series) have more advanced graphing abilities such as 3d
parametric surfaces plotting.
It is a shame that none calculators besides the HP48/49 series had this
feature.


ME a �crit :

> hp is obviously off track and flailing wildly at best. They need to do
> something drastically different. They should be considering all
> possibilities to return  their reputation to it former status!
> "timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1148631448.168811.252340@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > If it is just an evolutionnary product then i am absolutely not
> > interested.
> > Especially if the HP50G is what the HP49G+ was supposed to be.
> > Seriously i wonder why HP has fired the ACO as they obviously need the
> > help of hydryx to release even barely improved products over their
> > current line.
> > They should make an agreement with hydryx to let them design the
> > replacant of the HP49G series with Qonos as the starting point.
> >

which calculators would you put this graphing capability ON?

The 33S?

?

The 39g+ and 40gs aren't designed for high-end graphing but students,
so that's why it's not on those.

No other models have big screens, so that's why it isn't on them.

If they had big screens, they'd be more expensive and you would have a
unit the size of the 48/49.

Gues I don't understand why you want these features on non-high end
calculators.

I wouldn't imagine a numeric only $40 calculator with a screen big
enough for an equation writer like you suggest.

>"timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> a �crit dans le message de news: 
>1148976996.323335.322380@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I think that producing a HP50G(which is what the HP49G+ should have
>been) is the last thing to do especially
>(...)

I really dont agree with you :

>*A high resolution touch sensitive screen

Yes for a better resolution and better display, and perhaps colors ;) 
Nothing to do for me with a sensitive screen. It's not very imporant for me.

>*A more graphic interface to fully take advantage of touch sensitive
>screen

I don't want this...

>*A decent keyboard as the touch screen must be an improvement to
>calculators and shouldn't remove one good feature of calculators:a
>great keyboard for computations

Yes. The keyboard of my 49g+ is decent but could be more decent.

In my opinion, i want a 49g+'like with :
 - better screen,
 - better resolution (at least the double). 320x200 would be perfect. I dont 
want more ;)
 - better keyboard,
 - a better autonomy (I want more than one year ;) ,
 - a better hardware (the colors of my 49g+ disappear !)
 - a smaller machine (I want to put it in my pocket, something like a 42s) 
and it must be a pleasure to have it in hands

I don't want a PDA'like

Gilles 

Where do i say that these features should be put on on the HP33S ?
Where in my post do i talk of non graphing calculators ?

And i don't see how such features would significantly increase the
price of a low end graphing calculator.

Moreover i was not asking for advanced graphing features such as 3D
parametric surfaces plotting for low end graphing calculators.

Btw there are already basic scientific calculators with both Pretty
Print and basic equation writer from Casio.

I think that there is a misunderstanding.
I was talking about STUDENTS graphing calculators not about
professionnal calculators.
Because i am not too sure professionnal really need calculators any
more (except perharps surveyors).
However i am still very interested about calculator for students as one
of my little brother and several of my cousins are high school
students.
Anyway i don't believe that in this actual form(running a HP49G
emulator as the only form of software),the HP49G+ could ever be
significantly improved.
I don't believe for example that it can't have a significantly higher
resolution screen such as a QVGA otherwise HP would have certainly
already used a better screen for the current model.
Moreover for students this tool would certainly be completely outdated
in comparaison of solutions such as the TI-Nspire and ClassPad(which is
rumored to have soon a major O.S upgrade) which are ironically inspired
from the HP XPander.
Despite what several people seems to believe here,touch sensitive
screen is a major evolution for calculators as it offers very
interesting and exciting new abilities and it significantly increase
the interactivity with the calculator.
One should test the Casio ClassPad to understand what i am saying.

For professionnals i am sure that there should be better alternative
such as Keyboard enhanced PDA or laptops with math packages.
For example QONOS would have been a significantly better option for
professionnals than the HP49G+ or apparently the HP50G.

And to finish HP49G+ has given a very,very bad image(it has for example
disgusted me of HP calculators for quite a long time) to HP calculators
and unless HP get rid of its actual calculator line and come with
something completely new with excellent quality out of box they have
close to no chance to get a significant share of the calculators
market.

Gilles a =E9crit :

> >"timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> a =E9crit dans le message de news:
> >1148976996.323335.322380@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I think that producing a HP50G(which is what the HP49G+ should have
> >been) is the last thing to do especially
> >(...)
>
> I really dont agree with you :
>
> >*A high resolution touch sensitive screen
>
> Yes for a better resolution and better display, and perhaps colors ;)
> Nothing to do for me with a sensitive screen. It's not very imporant for =
me.
>
> >*A more graphic interface to fully take advantage of touch sensitive
> >screen
>
> I don't want this...
>
> >*A decent keyboard as the touch screen must be an improvement to
> >calculators and shouldn't remove one good feature of calculators:a
> >great keyboard for computations
>
> Yes. The keyboard of my 49g+ is decent but could be more decent.
>
> In my opinion, i want a 49g+'like with :
>  - better screen,
>  - better resolution (at least the double). 320x200 would be perfect. I d=
ont
> want more ;)
>  - better keyboard,
>  - a better autonomy (I want more than one year ;) ,
>  - a better hardware (the colors of my 49g+ disappear !)
>  - a smaller machine (I want to put it in my pocket, something like a 42s)
> and it must be a pleasure to have it in hands
>=20
> I don't want a PDA'like
>=20
> Gilles

timite_h wrote:
> Because i am not too sure professionnal really need calculators any
> more (except perharps surveyors).

Hiho,

I think you'll find that a lot of professional people (engineers and 
scientists) still use calculators a lot at their desk/bench since they 
are very very good for on-the-fly calculation work and testing.
Well, I do at least!

Just my $0.02.

Tra

Meh.

Ok personnaly as a computer science engineer i don't need one and most
of other engineers i know don't use calculators at all.
Calculators are some kind of hobby and my interest.
I am very disapointed by current offering besides perhaps Casio
ClassPad which needs however significant software improvements as well
as a decent keyboard.

So as a professional who use calculators what kind of evolution would
you expect from advanced calculator ?

Meh. a =E9crit :

> timite_h wrote:
> > Because i am not too sure professionnal really need calculators any
> > more (except perharps surveyors).
>
> Hiho,
>
> I think you'll find that a lot of professional people (engineers and
> scientists) still use calculators a lot at their desk/bench since they
> are very very good for on-the-fly calculation work and testing.
> Well, I do at least!
>=20
> Just my $0.02.
>=20
> Tra
>=20
> Meh.

I use a calculator at work almost every day. I often use the equation writer 
app on the fly.
Color graphics would be very nice at least four colors say black ,red ,green 
and blue for easier visualization. I don't see how you can think through 
ideas or understand complex things on the go without a calculator.  If you 
sit at a desk for 10 hours a day then you can use the variety of available 
packages but there is something very handy a about a calc program to give 
you the answer with just a few pushes of a button (when they aren't broken). 
With computers like the Sony ux180P if hp does not changed they will be 
buried by this technology.
"timite_h" <timiteh@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1149099149.438655.226960@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ok personnaly as a computer science engineer i don't need one and most
of other engineers i know don't use calculators at all.
Calculators are some kind of hobby and my interest.
I am very disapointed by current offering besides perhaps Casio
ClassPad which needs however significant software improvements as well
as a decent keyboard.

So as a professional who use calculators what kind of evolution would
you expect from advanced calculator ?

Meh. a �crit :

> timite_h wrote:
> > Because i am not too sure professionnal really need calculators any
> > more (except perharps surveyors).
>
> Hiho,
>
> I think you'll find that a lot of professional people (engineers and
> scientists) still use calculators a lot at their desk/bench since they
> are very very good for on-the-fly calculation work and testing.
> Well, I do at least!
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Tra
>
> Meh.

On Wed, 31 May 2006 22:58:42 -0500:

> With computers like the Sony ux180P if hp does not change
> they will be buried by this technology.

Even though 1 Sony UMPC (price) = 15 of 49G+ ?

But surely schools (which are already banning cell phones)
will ban the even more distracting UMPCs,
and will then embrace the 50G (so long as it remains
so primitive as to have neither a camera nor text messaging :)


"Like a great poet,
  Nature is capable of producing the most stunning effects
  with the smallest means"   [Henrich Heine (1797-1856)]

> According to me all educationnal graphing calculators(high end and low
> end) should have nowadays this minimum:
> *A high resolution touch sensitive screen

A high resolution screen is fine. However, there is no point for touch
sensitive screen. Part of the reason why calculators are not obsoleted
by PDAs with the same software is because of the keyboard (many keys
that provide one single button press whereas a touch screen interface
would require extra menu navigation). Moreover, the cost would be
higher, and if there should be any repairs needed for the screen, that
cost would be higher as well.

There are solutions currently available to do what you want. Many PDAs
are currently able to run Emu48 or some variant of it; yet you still
see a high demand for the actual calculator on, say, eBay (and I don't
mean just the HP48GX models).

> *A more graphic interface to fully take advantage of touch sensitive
> screen

This may be nice for educational purposes (i.e. teaching tool) but it
only slows down productivity. On an exam, I would rather be spending my
time solving problems and not navigating menu systems. The HP49 series
didn't quite get it right. It was nice to have the choice between
graphical vs menu interface; however, the keyboard layout seems to
cater to the graphical interface.

> *A decent keyboard as the touch screen must be an improvement to
> calculators and shouldn't remove one good feature of calculators:a
> great keyboard for computations

A great keyboard is really the only manual input needed.

> *Pretty Print and Equation Writer even for purely numeric calculators
> 

Agreed.

Computers like the UX180P will be cheaper and more familiar to the average 
kid. When I take a calc with me and do work in public teenagers usually 
think that I am playing the latest electronic game till they see that the 
display is a primitive monochrome low res screen even if they can't 
understand wants on it. It will be difficult to train the play station 
generation to replace us if they would look at the 50G+ as if it is as 
primitive as a slide rule.
"John H Meyers" <jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> wrote in message 
news:op.tagawcngnn735j@news.cis.dfn.de...
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 22:58:42 -0500:
>
>> With computers like the Sony ux180P if hp does not change
>> they will be buried by this technology.
>
> Even though 1 Sony UMPC (price) = 15 of 49G+ ?
>
> But surely schools (which are already banning cell phones)
> will ban the even more distracting UMPCs,
> and will then embrace the 50G (so long as it remains
> so primitive as to have neither a camera nor text messaging :)
>
>
> "Like a great poet,
>  Nature is capable of producing the most stunning effects
>  with the smallest means"   [Henrich Heine (1797-1856)] 

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:30:41 -0500:

> It will be difficult to train the play station generation
> to replace us if...

Perhaps the decline of present civilization can be halted
simply by HP's producing calculators that cater to it;
what a huge responsibility to fall on such an unlikely sector of society.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a tech toy
turned out to be crucial to the future of the galaxy...

http://imdb.com/title/tt0087597/plotsummary

timite_h wrote:
> According to me all educationnal graphing calculators(high end and low
> end) should have nowadays this minimum:
> *A high resolution touch sensitive screen
Which will ban this calculator on many math exams.

> *A more graphic interface to fully take advantage of touch sensitive
> screen
see above
> *A decent keyboard as the touch screen must be an improvement to
> calculators and shouldn't remove one good feature of calculators:a
> great keyboard for computations
> *Pretty Print and Equation Writer even for purely numeric calculators
this is already present in many calculators.
PrettyPrint/Equation Writer was used all the time in a machine like 
XPander...
Looking at the screen capture of the new TI n'spire seem to work in a 
similar fashion

JY

"Han" <rs1n@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1149188912.775375.293910@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> According to me all educationnal graphing calculators(high end and low
>> end) should have nowadays this minimum:
>> *A high resolution touch sensitive screen
>
> A high resolution screen is fine. However, there is no point for touch
> sensitive screen. Part of the reason why calculators are not obsoleted
> by PDAs with the same software is because of the keyboard (many keys
> that provide one single button press whereas a touch screen interface
> would require extra menu navigation). Moreover, the cost would be
> higher, and if there should be any repairs needed for the screen, that
> cost would be higher as well.
>
> There are solutions currently available to do what you want. Many PDAs
> are currently able to run Emu48 or some variant of it; yet you still
> see a high demand for the actual calculator on, say, eBay (and I don't
> mean just the HP48GX models).
>
>> *A more graphic interface to fully take advantage of touch sensitive
>> screen
>
> This may be nice for educational purposes (i.e. teaching tool) but it
> only slows down productivity. On an exam, I would rather be spending my
> time solving problems and not navigating menu systems. The HP49 series
> didn't quite get it right. It was nice to have the choice between
> graphical vs menu interface; however, the keyboard layout seems to
> cater to the graphical interface.
>
>> *A decent keyboard as the touch screen must be an improvement to
>> calculators and shouldn't remove one good feature of calculators:a
>> great keyboard for computations
>
> A great keyboard is really the only manual input needed.
>
>> *Pretty Print and Equation Writer even for purely numeric calculators
>>
>
> Agreed.

How about having BOTH !!
A good keyboard with F1...F6 menu, assignable keys, CAT, etc
AND touchscreen + drop-down menus

> > According to me all educationnal graphing calculators(high end and low
> > end) should have nowadays this minimum:
> > *A high resolution touch sensitive screen
> Which will ban this calculator on many math exams.

Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
screen.

> this is already present in many calculators.

I don't think so at least not out of the box.
Even the TI89 require an add-on to have equation writer.

> PrettyPrint/Equation Writer was used all the time in a machine like
> XPander...
> Looking at the screen capture of the new TI n'spire seem to work in a
> similar fashion

Off course with both know that TI-Nspire is inspired from XPander.
HP has been very stupid to cancel this one.

> Off course with both know that TI-Nspire is inspired from XPander.
> HP has been very stupid to cancel this one.

HP has made several mistakes in the past few years. . . =)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina

TW

"what a huge responsibility to fall on such an unlikely sector of society." 
That's hilarious.

John you DO have a sense of humor. Thanks, I had the best laugh of the day. 
I liked it.

My first calculator was a Pickett aluminum (a mechanical analog computer) It 
sits on my desk at work.

"John H Meyers" <jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> wrote in message 
news:op.taibfb07nn735j@news.cis.dfn.de...
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:30:41 -0500:
>
>> It will be difficult to train the play station generation
>> to replace us if...
>
> Perhaps the decline of present civilization can be halted
> simply by HP's producing calculators that cater to it;
> what a huge responsibility to fall on such an unlikely sector of society.
>
> Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a tech toy
> turned out to be crucial to the future of the galaxy...
>
> http://imdb.com/title/tt0087597/plotsummary 

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:12:38 -0500:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina

Did Carly actually remove the portraits of HP founders
William Hewlett and David Packard from HP lobbies,
and replace them with her own?

Well, someone certainly has removed the names
"Hewlett" and "Packard" from appearing on HP products, e.g.:

http://www.hpmuseum.org/17b.jpg
vs.
http://commerce.hpcalc.org/images/17biiplus.jpg

Of course, founders' names (though usually not their portraits
 from major corporate offices) often disappear anyway,
e.g. Thompson Ramo Woolridge is now just TRW
http://www.computerhistory.org/brochures/companies.php?alpha=t-z&company=com-42bc23adaadb2
and similarly even with impersonal corporate names, e.g. IBM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Business_Machines

"During World War II, IBM manufactured the Browning Automatic Rifle
and the M1 Carbine" [while at the same time selling other equipment
to the regime against which the former were used].

But so does everyone:
"During the Iran-Iraq war, HP was among the companies
shipping militarily useful technology to Iraq"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard
"HP sold the Iraqis...
equipment for the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission...
Saad 16, Iraq's main missile research project...
and other equipment for military communications"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0126-10.htm [SF Chronicle]

Other past IBM products: meat and grocery scales, cheese slicers,
supermarket POS systems and software.
"IBM invented the USB flash drive in 1998 but did not patent it."
[similarly re the 1976 Data Encryption Standard - DES].  In 1982,
"The Computer" [most of which were IBM's] received Time Magazine's
"Man of the Year" award, sort of equating people to machines,
much as corporations are wont to do.
BTW, the 1938-39 MOTY were Hitler and Stalin.

What are the messages here?  Big Blue is Big Red?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/IbmTokyoRed.jpg
http://www.neep.net/photo/japan/show.php?7421 [Paul Vlaar]

timite_h wrote:

> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
> screen.

check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US.
touch screen is one.
Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one

JY

> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
> screen.

Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less.  The SAT and Advanced
Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input;
pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper
tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an
electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators.

For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of
their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed,
even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact
same OS.

I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.  The specifications must
be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify.

-wes

I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind of 
slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an unfair 
advantage too. Part of education is to be able to choose and be proficient 
with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no electronic 
devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without communication" part 
of the exam. If you can't do the last part well then don't do it. Anyway in 
many grad courses you don't even need a calc.

The bottom line is that it is a game and who ever plays it the best wins 
which is something entirely apart from testing your knowledge. A Bluetooth 
adaptor for your calc could come in quite handy!

"Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary.
"Wes" <wjltemp-gg@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149351283.679303.295840@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
>> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
>> screen.
>
> Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less.  The SAT and Advanced
> Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input;
> pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper
> tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an
> electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators.
>
> For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of
> their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed,
> even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact
> same OS.
>
> I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.  The specifications must
> be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify.
>
> -wes
> 

What is driving most of the calculator restrictions is not the computational 
power, but the fear that the device will be used to copy the test questions. 
So no QWERTY keyboards, no programming capability, no pen input, as these 
things would allow someone to copy a significant portion of the test in the 
time given.

I am preparing for a professional exam that allows only simple algebraic 
entry calculators.  I may take a slide rule along to see how the test 
proctors react--and I would find it more useful than the calculators they 
allow.

-jgs


"ME" <abcdefg@nonodock.net> wrote in message 
news:1283fpmfh2a264e@corp.supernews.com...
>I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind of 
>slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an unfair 
>advantage too. Part of education is to be able to choose and be proficient 
>with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no electronic 
>devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without communication" part 
>of the exam. If you can't do the last part well then don't do it. Anyway in 
>many grad courses you don't even need a calc.
>
> The bottom line is that it is a game and who ever plays it the best wins 
> which is something entirely apart from testing your knowledge. A Bluetooth 
> adaptor for your calc could come in quite handy!
>
> "Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary.
> "Wes" <wjltemp-gg@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:1149351283.679303.295840@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
>>> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
>>> screen.
>>
>> Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less.  The SAT and Advanced
>> Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input;
>> pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper
>> tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an
>> electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators.
>>
>> For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of
>> their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed,
>> even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact
>> same OS.
>>
>> I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.  The specifications must
>> be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify.
>>
>> -wes
>>
>
> 

ME wrote:
> I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind of
> slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an unfair
> advantage too.

Hmmm.  I wonder if my circular slide was considered an unfair advantage
by my classmates. :-)  Having only one index, it was definately faster
to use.

> Part of education is to be able to choose and be proficient
> with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no electronic
> devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without communication" part
> of the exam.

The AP Calculus and Physics exams have almost what you're describing.
There's a non-calculator part and an "ALMOST anything goes" part.  (On
the Calculus test, you are REQUIRED to have a calculator that will
graph, numerically solve, and numerically differentiate & integrate.)
You can have a calculator with a CAS, any programs, tables, equations,
information, etc. you wish, as long at the calculator fits the
restrictions mentioned before.  However, the tests are specifically
written in such a way that these extra helps won't really help you.

> "Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary.

I think everyone would agree that there has to be a line somewhere.
Even "anything goes without communication" is a line.  If you allowed
something as powerful as a laptop and had all your notes and a database
of information (say like a downloaded copy of the MathWorld site, or
all the past tests), it would be approaching "communication" even if
there's no link to the outside world.

I think saying "anything goes" would open up a can of worms that the
examiners would have a hard time dealing with.  I think they've hit a
good balance based on the current, student affordable, technology.  The
tricky part is that this is a moving target.

-wes

"Jean-Yves Avenard" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message 
news:4ed86bF1eb0caU1@individual.net...
> timite_h wrote:
>
>> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
>> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
>> screen.
>
> check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US.
> touch screen is one.
> Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one
>
(/&%)(/&)(=/& <sensored>
No touch screen on possible Qonos variants either, then?

Veli-Pekka Nousiainen wrote:
> "Jean-Yves Avenard" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >
> > check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US.
> > touch screen is one.
> > Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one
> >
> (/&%)(/&)(=/& <sensored>
> No touch screen on possible Qonos variants either, then?

Gene: If I want a touch screen, I'll use my Palm and the 49g emulator
or the Free42s emulator.

Gene wrote:
> Veli-Pekka Nousiainen wrote:
>> "Jean-Yves Avenard" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US.
>>> touch screen is one.
>>> Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one
>>>
>> (/&%)(/&)(=/& <sensored>
>> No touch screen on possible Qonos variants either, then?
>
> Gene: If I want a touch screen, I'll use my Palm and the 49g emulator
> or the Free42s emulator.

Do the virtual keyboards work directly on touch screen?
Do you still have a qwerty keyboard?
Do you have a real calculator keyboard

What one could have is a touch screen
that allows interaction with graphs

"ME" <abcdefg@nonodock.net> wrote in
news:1283fpmfh2a264e@corp.supernews.com: 

> I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind
> of slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an
> unfair advantage too. Part of education is to be able to choose and be
> proficient with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no
> electronic devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without
> communication" part of the exam. If you can't do the last part well then
> don't do it. Anyway in many grad courses you don't even need a calc.
> 
> The bottom line is that it is a game and who ever plays it the best wins
> which is something entirely apart from testing your knowledge. A
> Bluetooth adaptor for your calc could come in quite handy!

They ban calculators that could easily be used to transcribe and store the 
exam contents.  

The idea is to prevent cheating.

Of course, they can't ban applicants with photographic memories.

> "Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary.

Not really.

> "Wes" <wjltemp-gg@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:1149351283.679303.295840@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
>>> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
>>> screen.
>>
>> Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less.  The SAT and Advanced
>> Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input;
>> pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper
>> tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an
>> electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators.
>>
>> For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of
>> their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed,
>> even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact
>> same OS.
>>
>> I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.  The specifications must
>> be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify.
>>
>> -wes
>> 
> 
> 





-- 
bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an 
infinite set.

bz+csh@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu        (remove ch100-5 to email)

Well i should have said that it is stupid to ban calculators of the
TI84/HP39G level as i knew that handheld with touch screen are banned
from exams in U.S.
Anyway,are you sure that the TI-Nspire doesn't have a touch screen ?
Because its U.I seems very similar to the ClassPad one and without a
stylus it would be a pain in the a.. to use.

Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> timite_h wrote:
>
> > Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the
> > TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive
> > screen.
>
> check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US.
> touch screen is one.
> Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one
> 
> JY

hugh.evans@openrpn.org wrote:
> Until more information comes out I'm going to put my 49G+ retrofit
> design on the back burner (no further than CAD).  My guess is that it
> will be a 49G+ with a higher clock speed, improved color scheme, and
> more connectivity options.

>From the pictures we've seen, assuming they're real, it looks like a
retrofit for the 49g+ will fit the 50g, so why not go ahead?  At least
there are lots of people with 49g+s that would like to keep their
investment usable into the future.

-Jonathan

Hi Tom,

I read that this new calculator - HP50G - will be able to network to
others devices...to transmit and store your info...

You can find more info in www.educalc.net

Bye,

Marcos Bressan


tom wrote:
> Yestarday I read on the website from Dynatech (a big german calculator
> seller) that there would be 2 new calculators from HP in this summer.
> The new HP 39 GS and a new HP 50 G, but they have no further
> infrmations and no pics of both.
> Does anybody here know more?
> 
> Greetings
> Tom

> I read that this new calculator - HP50G - will be able to network to
> others devices...to transmit and store your info...

That is what I designed for a competition last year.  It is not the 50G
that is getting released.  I just called my entry that since it has
been the "next calculator" when people had talked about the future
models in the past.  Anything that has my name on it it isn't the
calculator being released by HP.

TW

timite_h wrote:
> So as a professional who use calculators what kind of evolution would
> you expect from advanced calculator ?
>

Weeeeell,

this may be heresy but I currently find the HP49G+ to be pretty damned 
good now that I've got one with a KB that seems to work okay. The main 
advances I'd like to see are, in no particular order:
1. more memory, much much more memory, so I can work on reasonably big 
data sets.
2. higher-resolution screen
3. much better data exchange facilities with computers, possibly 
ethernet or WLAN
4. better power supply, possibly AA batteries instead of AAA and maybe 
mains power input
5. USB hosting, so I can connect USB-driven sensors

And for me, I think that'd be about it.

ttfn

Meh

Meh. wrote:
> timite_h wrote:
>> So as a professional who use calculators what kind of evolution would
>> you expect from advanced calculator ?
>>
>
> Weeeeell,
>
> this may be heresy but I currently find the HP49G+ to be pretty damned
> good now that I've got one with a KB that seems to work okay. The main
> advances I'd like to see are, in no particular order:
> 1. more memory, much much more memory, so I can work on reasonably big
> data sets.

SRAM cost enormously, so you want a PPC or Qonos

> 2. higher-resolution screen

QOnos, PPC

> 3. much better data exchange facilities with computers, possibly
> ethernet or WLAN

Will eat your batteries
 - must wait for UWB=Ultra Wide Band or Wireless USB
or use a any WinCE/Linux Pocketable/Palmsized PC

> 4. better power supply, possibly AA batteries instead of AAA and maybe
> mains power input

USB wire should detect NiMH batteries and charge
otherwise it should shut off the Alkalines and just provide power

> 5. USB hosting, so I can connect USB-driven sensors

Hmmm... It should be possible

> And for me, I think that'd be about it.
>
> ttfn
>
> Meh