Hello group,

I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
find one in the US or Canada?

Thanks,
Mike

"Mike Messenger" <mike.messenger@nefab.se> wrote in message
news:15117e95.0310150820.648e1302@posting.google.com...
> Hello group,
>
> I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
> or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
> find one in the US or Canada?

Get the new hp 49g+
http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php
It's fast, has USB, IrDA, SD/MMC interface
VPN

I was in the same situation a several months ago.  I bought a new old-stock
HP48GX from Sampson Cables without any difficulty about a month ago.  Later,
I even saw new but discontinued HP48GX's on the shelf for sale at Fry's
Electronics stores.  Documentation can be harder to find (and more
expensive) than the calculator.

"Mike Messenger" <mike.messenger@nefab.se> wrote in message
news:15117e95.0310150820.648e1302@posting.google.com...
> Hello group,
>
> I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
> or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
> find one in the US or Canada?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

I got one at outpost.com a couple of weeks ago.

Mike Messenger wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
> or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
> find one in the US or Canada?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote in message
news:bmjsif$bda$1@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
> "Mike Messenger" <mike.messenger@nefab.se> wrote in message
> news:15117e95.0310150820.648e1302@posting.google.com...
> > Hello group,
> >
> > I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
> > or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
> > find one in the US or Canada?
>
> Get the new hp 49g+
> http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php
> It's fast, has USB, IrDA, SD/MMC interface
> VPN
>

Yes, BUT it is also:
*new
*buggy
*poorly documented
*outsourced
*presented with physical problems


If you are an engineer looking for a reliable piece of equipment, by all
means use something proven--like the 48 or the 28.  (I am an engineer and
use the 48 and the 32 and the 15).


Maybe the 49+ will eventually prove to be good--but it sure is not, yet.



Regards,

Bill

> > Get the new hp 49g+
> > http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php
> > It's fast, has USB, IrDA, SD/MMC interface
> > VPN
> >
>
> Yes, BUT it is also:
> *new

So?  Why's that a Bad Thing?

> *buggy

Do you have examples of bugs?  Except for the battery drain which has
already been addressed, reports of bugs seem to be rather sparse.

> *poorly documented

Around 1000 pages in the manuals and a lot of 49G and 48 literature applies.

> *outsourced

So?  EVERYTHING is outsourced these days!  If the products are reliable, I
don't care where they come from.

> *presented with physical problems

Some people have a slight problem with the keyboard.  They can learn to
press a little harder.
>
>
> If you are an engineer looking for a reliable piece of equipment, by all
> means use something proven--like the 48 or the 28.  (I am an engineer and
> use the 48 and the 32 and the 15).
>
>
> Maybe the 49+ will eventually prove to be good--but it sure is not, yet.

Nothing you've said proves they *aren't* good.

Tom Lake

IIRC:  output.com <=> Fry's Electronics Retail
"arnold" <ktdog2@valornet.com> wrote in message
news:3F8DA3BC.9D6A2AFF@valornet.com...
> I got one at outpost.com a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Mike Messenger wrote:
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
> > or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
> > find one in the US or Canada?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
>

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > *poorly documented
> 
> Around 1000 pages in the manuals and a lot of 49G and 48 literature applies.

How good are those 1000 pages, though? (Although it does seem better
than the 49G documentation, it has lots of room for improvement.)

--
Bhuvanesh

"Bhuvanesh" <lalu_bhatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:662e00ed.0310151920.3712e5ba@posting.google.com...
> "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > > *poorly documented
> >
> > Around 1000 pages in the manuals and a lot of 49G and 48 literature
applies.
>
> How good are those 1000 pages, though? (Although it does seem better
> than the 49G documentation, it has lots of room for improvement.)
Hi, Bhuv - hello everybody!

Much better than TI 89 "manuals" !
I enjoy the detailed matix operations like
Chapter 11 Matrix operations and linear algebra
    Gauss-Jordan elimination with full pivoting
    Calculating the inverse matrix step-by-step
and I also like this one
Chapter 16 Differential Equations
    Applications of Laplace transform in the solution of linear ODEs
    Defining and using Heaviside's step function in the calculator
....
AND the rest of that chapter is simply amazing!
VPN
PS: For the first the confidence intervals and hypothesis testing
    are properly explained in the 49 manuals

Some Clarification:

As a working engineer, I know from painful first experience, that switching
tools can be a real pain--and a time sucker.  Yes, the 49G+ is more capable,
yes, the various flaws may and hopefully will be worked out, but in the mean
time the best solution for everyday needs is to find a copy of what one
already uses.

regarding buggy--I refer merely to the reports here in c.s.hp48 regarding
battery drain, as well as other more nebulous issues (issues that may be
user-rather than hardware-for instance stuff with file transfer).

regarding documentation:  lots of PDF pages does not automatically equal
good.  No, I have not read the whole thing yet, but from perusing it, I
don't see great improvement over the 48.

Outsourced--that merely means that there is likely to be more trouble than
has already been found (so I am a pessimist---I DEAL with outsourcing every
day!)

Hardware Problems----numerous reports of keypress non-registering issues.

Well, IF and WHEN  hp fixes these issues, we will here about it here on the
c.s.hp48---until then, hold your horses if you are a practical man just
needing a reliable tool....


And somehow, I DO think hp will get the hardware right this time...but be
patient.


regards,

Bill


"William R. Platt" <wplatt@takeouthormelplattdesign.org> wrote in message
news:W9WdnRCj7JibMhCiU-KYhw@thebiz.net...
>
>
>
>
> "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote in message
> news:bmjsif$bda$1@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
> > "Mike Messenger" <mike.messenger@nefab.se> wrote in message
> > news:15117e95.0310150820.648e1302@posting.google.com...
> > > Hello group,
> > >
> > > I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
> > > or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
> > > find one in the US or Canada?
> >
> > Get the new hp 49g+
> > http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php
> > It's fast, has USB, IrDA, SD/MMC interface
> > VPN
> >
>
> Yes, BUT it is also:
> *new
> *buggy
> *poorly documented
> *outsourced
> *presented with physical problems
>
>
> If you are an engineer looking for a reliable piece of equipment, by all
> means use something proven--like the 48 or the 28.  (I am an engineer and
> use the 48 and the 32 and the 15).
>
>
> Maybe the 49+ will eventually prove to be good--but it sure is not, yet.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>

"William R. Platt" <wplatt@takeouthormelplattdesign.org> wrote in message
news:ubycnc04puXQMhOiXTWJlg@thebiz.net...
> Some Clarification:
X
> regarding documentation:  lots of PDF pages does not automatically equal
> good.  No, I have not read the whole thing yet, but from perusing it, I
> don't see great improvement over the 48.
X
Yes, but you have never tried to use a 49G with it's "manuals"
VPN
PS: the new machine is simply fast, modern and pretty.

"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote:
> Much better than TI 89 "manuals" !

My comments weren't intended to be flame bait. They simply expressed my opinion.

Cheers,
Bhuvanesh.

"Bhuvanesh" <lalu_bhatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:662e00ed.0310160651.151efd10@posting.google.com...
> "Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote:
> > Much better than TI 89 "manuals" !
>
> My comments weren't intended to be flame bait.
> They simply expressed my opinion.
OK, tell then that you'd wish that TI would enahnce the manuals
rather than cut back.
The current TI manuals are worse than the older, true, eh?
VPN <click> <releases the safety from a flamethrower>

Veli-Pekka Nousiainen replied:
> "William R. Platt" <wplatt@takeouthormelplattdesign.org> wrote in message
> news:ubycnc04puXQMhOiXTWJlg@thebiz.net...
> 
>>Some Clarification:
> 
> X
> 
>>regarding documentation:  lots of PDF pages does not automatically equal
>>good.  No, I have not read the whole thing yet, but from perusing it, I
>>don't see great improvement over the 48.
> 
> X
> Yes, but you have never tried to use a 49G with it's "manuals"

The advice I read WRT the HP49 manuals, when the issue was the rebate
(which I got) was that you might as well cut all the way through em
to get the bar-code, as the manuals were pretty much worthless. Having
tried to use them to find out how to solve specific problems, I can
verify the accuracy of the claim.

It's a shame, as HP's manuals used to be the best around.

Rich

> VPN
> PS: the new machine is simply fast, modern and pretty.
> 
> 

"Rich" <someone@someplace.com> wrote in message
news:3F8EC78E.8060407@someplace.com...
> Veli-Pekka Nousiainen replied:
> > "William R. Platt" <wplatt@takeouthormelplattdesign.org> wrote in
message
> > news:ubycnc04puXQMhOiXTWJlg@thebiz.net...
> > X
> >>regarding documentation:  lots of PDF pages does not automatically equal
> >>good.  No, I have not read the whole thing yet, but from perusing it, I
> >>don't see great improvement over the 48.
> > X
> > Yes, but you have never tried to use a 49G with it's "manuals"
>
> The advice I read WRT the HP49 manuals, when the issue was the rebate
> (which I got) was that you might as well cut all the way through em
> to get the bar-code, as the manuals were pretty much worthless. Having
> tried to use them to find out how to solve specific problems, I can
> verify the accuracy of the claim.
>
> It's a shame, as HP's manuals used to be the best around.

Well the new manuals ARE good! (and the best around)
Any old 49G user should download the new manuals immediately
http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php
Directly:
User Guide (856 pages)
http://h20015.www2.hp.com/content/common/manuals/bpia5324/bpia5324.pdf
User Manual (176 pages)
http://h20015.www2.hp.com/content/common/manuals/bpia5323/bpia5323.pdf
VPN

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:<2uijb.59362$uA2.56227@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

> Some people have a slight problem with the keyboard.  They can learn to
> press a little harder.
> >

I don't agree. This keyboard causes a lot of mistakes and slows down
the use. A 50$-Casio or even a TI has a better handling with the
keyboard.

Nevertheless, the HP has the better operating-system and and the
better concept.

Stefan

"Stefan" <UshiroSte@web.de> wrote in message
news:3e20dad3.0310161032.74b6728e@posting.google.com...
> "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<2uijb.59362$uA2.56227@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
>
> > Some people have a slight problem with the keyboard.  They can learn to
> > press a little harder.
> > >
>
> I don't agree. This keyboard causes a lot of mistakes and slows down
X
???
I tested some calculators (49G+) on users with various backgrounds
and NONE of them hit the keys so that there would be mistakes
Looks like only an old HP 48 user is going get some misses
I should try more people - you need a light touch.
Hmmm....maybe because the situation and the calc is new to them
people tend to press the keys carefully?
This needs more testing
VPN
PS: Only some calcs have these slight problems with kb
    BUT almost every *old* hp user is going to have some trouble
    so I agree that it has to be fixed....

"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote:
> > > Much better than TI 89 "manuals" !
> >
> > My comments weren't intended to be flame bait.
> > They simply expressed my opinion.
> OK, tell then that you'd wish that TI would enahnce the manuals
> rather than cut back.
> The current TI manuals are worse than the older, true, eh?
> VPN <click> <releases the safety from a flamethrower>

Oh, you mean the "module" things? I don't use those. I much prefer a
single document.

--
Bhuvanesh

Just for info
Hpcaculators.com (orSamsonCables if you prefer) is shiping the 49g+s, got
mine today, looks pretty sweet so far, been out of the caculators world for
a while need to catch up now


"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote in message
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> "Rich" <someone@someplace.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8EC78E.8060407@someplace.com...
> > Veli-Pekka Nousiainen replied:
> > > "William R. Platt" <wplatt@takeouthormelplattdesign.org> wrote in
> message
> > > news:ubycnc04puXQMhOiXTWJlg@thebiz.net...
> > > X
> > >>regarding documentation:  lots of PDF pages does not automatically
equal
> > >>good.  No, I have not read the whole thing yet, but from perusing it,
I
> > >>don't see great improvement over the 48.
> > > X
> > > Yes, but you have never tried to use a 49G with it's "manuals"
> >
> > The advice I read WRT the HP49 manuals, when the issue was the rebate
> > (which I got) was that you might as well cut all the way through em
> > to get the bar-code, as the manuals were pretty much worthless. Having
> > tried to use them to find out how to solve specific problems, I can
> > verify the accuracy of the claim.
> >
> > It's a shame, as HP's manuals used to be the best around.
>
> Well the new manuals ARE good! (and the best around)
> Any old 49G user should download the new manuals immediately
> http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php
> Directly:
> User Guide (856 pages)
> http://h20015.www2.hp.com/content/common/manuals/bpia5324/bpia5324.pdf
> User Manual (176 pages)
> http://h20015.www2.hp.com/content/common/manuals/bpia5323/bpia5323.pdf
> VPN
>
>

In <W9WdnRCj7JibMhCiU-KYhw@thebiz.net> William R. Platt wrote:
> *buggy
In what way?

> *poorly documented
Did you actually even bothered to look at the new manual for the 49G+? 
It's rather compete if you ask me.

> *outsourced
where is this an issue?

> *presented with physical problems
I won't say much on this one.

But my advice would be for you to actually do a bit of research instead 
of simply repeating what you think you heard

Jean-Yves

Jean-Yves Avenard <me@privacy.net> writes:

> In <W9WdnRCj7JibMhCiU-KYhw@thebiz.net> William R. Platt wrote:
>> *buggy
> In what way?

A single bug makes it buggy.  I do not own one yet but I understand that
it initially had a problem with power consumption during OFF state.  Had
the calculator been properly characterized and qualified before release
to production, this would not have happened.  The mere presence of this
bug (although supposedly fixed now) raises questions as to the quality
of the product overall.

>
>> *poorly documented
> Did you actually even bothered to look at the new manual for the 49G+? 
> It's rather compete if you ask me.

Its completeness has nothing to do with anything.  The 49G[+] series
have both had errors (grammar, informational etc).  This is totally
inexcusable.  Again it indicates a total lack of Quality Assurance on
the part of HP...note I say HP and not any other entity.  If HP places
their name on the product, they are ultimately responsible for its
quality.

>
>> *outsourced
> where is this an issue?

Agreed.  Now days this is no longer an issue.  Perhaps this is more a
matter of principle than anything else.  I am not sure of just how much
of the 49G+ is actually an HP creation.  Is *any* of it?  If not, then
in my personal opinion, it cheapens it.  Note again, my *personal*
opinion.  It is formed based on the ideals of a 40 year old man so only
others in at least that range might understand fully the importance of
name brand quality.

>> *presented with physical problems
> I won't say much on this one.
>
> But my advice would be for you to actually do a bit of research instead 
> of simply repeating what you think you heard
>
> Jean-Yves

I hope I have not done simply that.  I make no claim to own a 49G+ (I do
own a 49G).  But the facts surrounding both are not disputed, hence the
issue of Quality is not in question.  It is lacking....severely.  The
sad fact is that today's generation of buyers *tend* not to care.  Many
of the ones who complain here *do* care.  Again, it is the principle.

Comments welcome.

Best,
-Al Arduengo 
-- 
~/.signature

Al Arduengo <exal@austin.rr.com> wrote:

> Agreed.  Now days this is no longer an issue.  Perhaps this is more a
> matter of principle than anything else.  I am not sure of just how much
> of the 49G+ is actually an HP creation.  Is *any* of it?  If not, then
> in my personal opinion, it cheapens it.  Note again, my *personal*
> opinion.  It is formed based on the ideals of a 40 year old man so only
> others in at least that range might understand fully the importance of
> name brand quality.

I understand just what you mean.  It used that anything with the HP
logo on it was understood to be high quality *by definition*.  For many
years I made purchasing decisions, for myself and for my employer, for
everything from printer paper and ribbons up to minicomputer systems
costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, based on the idea that,
"If HP makes it, there's no need to look anywhere else."  In recent
years my attitude has changed to, "If HP makes it, it probably would
be better to get it from almost anywhere else."  So in a sense there's
still a sort of brand recognition involved; it's just that these days
I see the HP name as an indicator of *lack* of quality.  (That's why
I'm recommending that my employer make a *very* large purchase of Sun
Solaris systems rather than HP-UX systems.)

-- 
Wayne Brown  (HPCC #1104)  | "When your tail's in a crack, you improvise
fwbrown@bellsouth.net      |  if you're good enough.  Otherwise you give
                           |  your pelt to the trapper."
"e^(i*pi) = -1"  -- Euler  |           -- John Myers Myers, "Silverlock"

Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I understand just what you mean.  It used that anything with the HP
> logo on it was understood to be high quality *by definition*.  For many
> years I made purchasing decisions, for myself and for my employer, for
> everything from printer paper and ribbons up to minicomputer systems
> costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, based on the idea that,
> "If HP makes it, there's no need to look anywhere else."

Wayne, I'd generally agree but then again - we know that those who have 
problems will be heard of here on Usenet.  In the '70s that wasn't the 
case (pre-Usenet).

Around 1977 my dad needed a way to characterize printing ink and chose a 
commercial Thwing-Albert falling weight viscometer to measure it.  
Converting the timed results to useful values in Poise was a very complex 
and error prone task even with a calculator.  On my advice, he bought four 
HP-97 calculators (US$750 each in 1977 - lots more than a serious Pentium 
4 machine today) after convincing the others at his lab of the remarkable 
reliability of HP's wonderful machines.  After all, he had the many tales 
of such from his own son and brother (Henry Horn, editor of HP's own Key 
Notes).

After many delays, the much anticipated machines arrived.  Three were dead 
on arrival and never *did* work.  You can guess how well that went over.

Were I to use that data point (and '97s that burned out their print heads 
with nonnormalized numbers, etc.), I'd argue your point.  But I'd be 
biased by a few rare examples.

Perhaps we are now.  I sure hope so!!

Jim Horn (hey, my darn HP-25 doesn't work any more)

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:20:45 -0000, James Horn <jimhorn@svn.net>
wrote:

>Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> I understand just what you mean.  It used that anything with the HP
>> logo on it was understood to be high quality *by definition*.  For many
>> years I made purchasing decisions, for myself and for my employer, for
>> everything from printer paper and ribbons up to minicomputer systems
>> costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, based on the idea that,
>> "If HP makes it, there's no need to look anywhere else."
>
>Wayne, I'd generally agree but then again - we know that those who have 
>problems will be heard of here on Usenet.  In the '70s that wasn't the 
>case (pre-Usenet).
>
>Around 1977 my dad needed a way to characterize printing ink and chose a 
>commercial Thwing-Albert falling weight viscometer to measure it.  
>Converting the timed results to useful values in Poise was a very complex 
>and error prone task even with a calculator.  On my advice, he bought four 
>HP-97 calculators (US$750 each in 1977 - lots more than a serious Pentium 
>4 machine today) after convincing the others at his lab of the remarkable 
>reliability of HP's wonderful machines.  After all, he had the many tales 
>of such from his own son and brother (Henry Horn, editor of HP's own Key 
>Notes).
>
>After many delays, the much anticipated machines arrived.  Three were dead 
>on arrival and never *did* work.  You can guess how well that went over.
>
>Were I to use that data point (and '97s that burned out their print heads 
>with nonnormalized numbers, etc.), I'd argue your point.  But I'd be 
>biased by a few rare examples.
>
>Perhaps we are now.  I sure hope so!!
>
>Jim Horn (hey, my darn HP-25 doesn't work any more)
 I am not sure, but even HP in the 1960's and 70's might have been
subject to the Weekend ( Friday-Monday ) Curse.
 When I lived in Baltimore twenty years ago we had a good friend who
was a quality control engineer at the Chevrolet truck assembly plant.
He told us,"Never buy a turck built on a Friday or a monday". 
People on Friday want to get home for the weekend, so they could go to
the shore or the ocean( Ocean City MD.), and on Monday they are
recovering from the wild parties, or Colt Games, 
(Ravens Games nowdays)or Bull Roasts, etc.
Harold A. Climer
Dept.Of Physics, Geology, and Astronomy
U.T Chattanooga
Chattanooga TN USA

Jean-Yves Avenard <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<20031017194056258+1000@news.cis.dfn.de>...
> In <W9WdnRCj7JibMhCiU-KYhw@thebiz.net> William R. Platt wrote:
> > *buggy
> In what way?
> 
> > *poorly documented
> Did you actually even bothered to look at the new manual for the 49G+? 
> It's rather compete if you ask me.
Where are the printed manuals??? I want Paper!!!
> 
> > *outsourced
> where is this an issue?
> 
> > *presented with physical problems
> I won't say much on this one.
> Ja! What about the errors on file transfers, and the problems of connection with the connectivity kit???
> But my advice would be for you to actually do a bit of research instead 
> of simply repeating what you think you heard
> Yeah, shure... We have to be objetive and logical... not HP defenders at all cost.
> Jean-Yves

"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote:

>I tested some calculators (49G+) on users with various backgrounds
>and NONE of them hit the keys so that there would be mistakes
>Looks like only an old HP 48 user is going get some misses
>I should try more people - you need a light touch.
>Hmmm....maybe because the situation and the calc is new to them
>people tend to press the keys carefully?

Maybe you need to try touch typists. I learned to type quickly on an
original IBM PC keyboard - it had a very positive click and noise that
always indicated the keystroke was made.

OTOH, if I rapidly press 1 fairly hard, and then backspace rapidly, I
can hear (with keyclick on) some keys being missed even though I am
pressing quite firmly.


Pete M. Wilson
Gamewood, Inc.
wilsonpm@gamewood.net

"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote:

>Well the new manuals ARE good! (and the best around)
>Any old 49G user should download the new manuals immediately
>http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php
>Directly:
>User Guide (856 pages)
>http://h20015.www2.hp.com/content/common/manuals/bpia5324/bpia5324.pdf
>User Manual (176 pages)
>http://h20015.www2.hp.com/content/common/manuals/bpia5323/bpia5323.pdf
>VPN
>

Is there a Command Reference?


Pete M. Wilson
Gamewood, Inc.
wilsonpm@gamewood.net

Jean-Yves Avenard <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>In <W9WdnRCj7JibMhCiU-KYhw@thebiz.net> William R. Platt wrote:
>> *buggy
>In what way?
>
>> *poorly documented
>Did you actually even bothered to look at the new manual for the 49G+? 
>It's rather compete if you ask me.

I've actually read the user's guide that came (printed) with the
calculator and have rarely found so many errors so fast
(unfortunately, it is not the first time - and not from HP only).

I haven't read the PDF versions yet, but we could already be creating
an errata thread for the printed one...

Pete M. Wilson
Gamewood, Inc.
wilsonpm@gamewood.net

"Veli-Pekka Nousiainen" <DROP_vpn@welho.com> wrote in message news:<bmmopb$7a6$1@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi>...
> "Stefan" <UshiroSte@web.de> wrote in message
> news:3e20dad3.0310161032.74b6728e@posting.google.com...
> > "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>  news:<2uijb.59362$uA2.56227@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
> >
> > > Some people have a slight problem with the keyboard.  They can learn to
> > > press a little harder.
> > > >
> >
> > I don't agree. This keyboard causes a lot of mistakes and slows down
> X
> ???
> I tested some calculators (49G+) on users with various backgrounds
> and NONE of them hit the keys so that there would be mistakes
> Looks like only an old HP 48 user is going get some misses

old HP 48 User     yesyesyes  HP 48 SX  1989

> I should try more people - you need a light touch.
> Hmmm....maybe because the situation and the calc is new to them
> people tend to press the keys carefully?
> This needs more testing
> VPN
> PS: Only some calcs have these slight problems with kb
>     BUT almost every *old* hp user is going to have some trouble
>     so I agree that it has to be fixed....

I think it could be fixed, so it should. once I paid 300$ for the HP
48 SX. I don't regret one of them.

Stefan

I bought an extra HP49G when I didn't think they were making any more.
Since then I went with the 49G+ ...  So I have an unopened 49G if you
are still looking.

Regards;

Don

On 15 Oct 2003 09:20:51 -0700, mike.messenger@nefab.se (Mike
Messenger) wrote:

>Hello group,
>
>I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
>or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
>find one in the US or Canada?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike

I am actually in the opposite situation: I have an HP48GX + 1 Mb Card
+ PIM Card (organizer) back from the days before I went the way of law
school. Needless to say it's completely useless to me now (still holds
some sentimental value though) and is in perfect shape.

Do you know if there is someplace to post an add for this calculator ?

Don <dtfoster@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message news:<hvuab0pvtogpsgpiup3o5dkm2qebnutldq@4ax.com>...
> I bought an extra HP49G when I didn't think they were making any more.
> Since then I went with the 49G+ ...  So I have an unopened 49G if you
> are still looking.
> 
> Regards;
> 
> Don
> 
> On 15 Oct 2003 09:20:51 -0700, mike.messenger@nefab.se (Mike
> Messenger) wrote:
> 
> >Hello group,
> >
> >I am an Engineer, and my HP28S just died. I would like to buy a HP48GX
> >or a HP49G but they are discontinued. Does anyone know where I might
> >find one in the US or Canada?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Mike

"Alexis Martinez" <martinez_alexis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ff3d57ce.0405311229.6d93522@posting.google.com...
> I am actually in the opposite situation: I have an HP48GX + 1 Mb Card
> + PIM Card (organizer) back from the days before I went the way of law
> school. Needless to say it's completely useless to me now (still holds
> some sentimental value though) and is in perfect shape.
>
> Do you know if there is someplace to post an add for this calculator ?

You can post an ad on www.hpmuseum.org

Charles Perry P.E.