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[auction DE->WW] IBM PS/2 Mod. 9595 A MCA + IBM Monitor 9517 Top o.k.

<http://search.ebay.com/150099454273>
[Ends march 18h, 2007; Buy now at EUR 300.00]

Looks nice and likely one of the fastest around, but a bit expensive. The
monitor would probably double shipping costs too.

The MO drive from the same seller on the other hand looks a lot more
affordable:

Extern SCSI IBM MO 128 MB Rewritable Optical Disk Drive
<http://search.ebay.com/150099476668>
[Ends march 18h, 2007]

Alvin.


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Alvin Andries wrote:
> <http://search.ebay.com/150099454273>
> [Ends march 18h, 2007; Buy now at EUR 300.00]
>
> Looks nice and likely one of the fastest around, but a bit expensive. The
> monitor would probably double shipping costs too.
>
> The MO drive from the same seller on the other hand looks a lot more
> affordable:
>
> Extern SCSI IBM MO 128 MB Rewritable Optical Disk Drive
> <http://search.ebay.com/150099476668>
> [Ends march 18h, 2007]
>
> Alvin.

The listing is a little inconsistent.  Is it 180MHz or 200MHz?

How do you get a 9595A to go at that speed?

Dan

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Dan
3/8/2007 10:14:29 PM
"Dan-the K" <kaliushkin@att.net> wrote in message
news:1173392068.909723.276620@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
> Alvin Andries wrote:
> > <http://search.ebay.com/150099454273>
> > [Ends march 18h, 2007; Buy now at EUR 300.00]
> >
> > Looks nice and likely one of the fastest around, but a bit expensive.
The
> > monitor would probably double shipping costs too.
> >
> > The MO drive from the same seller on the other hand looks a lot more
> > affordable:
> >
> > Extern SCSI IBM MO 128 MB Rewritable Optical Disk Drive
> > <http://search.ebay.com/150099476668>
> > [Ends march 18h, 2007]
> >
> > Alvin.
>
> The listing is a little inconsistent.  Is it 180MHz or 200MHz?
>
> How do you get a 9595A to go at that speed?
>
> Dan
>
The table at
<http://support.intel.com/support/processors/overdrive/sb/CS-023620.htm>
suggests 180MHz is the maximum for Pentium Overdrive processors.
As for how: only the core if fed by the multiplied bus frequency. Even with
256kB cache, I'd expect the processor to spend >50% on wait states. But
small instruction loops would execute very fast compared to the original
processor. This puts BIOS and I/O drivers at risk (see thread a few weeks
back).

Alvin.



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Alvin
3/8/2007 10:37:56 PM
Alvin Andries wrote:
> "Dan-the K" <kaliushkin@att.net> wrote in message
> news:1173392068.909723.276620@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Alvin Andries wrote:
> > > <http://search.ebay.com/150099454273>
> > > [Ends march 18h, 2007; Buy now at EUR 300.00]
> > >
> > > Looks nice and likely one of the fastest around, but a bit expensive.
> The
> > > monitor would probably double shipping costs too.
> > >
> > > The MO drive from the same seller on the other hand looks a lot more
> > > affordable:
> > >
> > > Extern SCSI IBM MO 128 MB Rewritable Optical Disk Drive
> > > <http://search.ebay.com/150099476668>
> > > [Ends march 18h, 2007]
> > >
> > > Alvin.
> >
> > The listing is a little inconsistent.  Is it 180MHz or 200MHz?
> >
> > How do you get a 9595A to go at that speed?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> The table at
> <http://support.intel.com/support/processors/overdrive/sb/CS-023620.htm>
> suggests 180MHz is the maximum for Pentium Overdrive processors.
> As for how: only the core if fed by the multiplied bus frequency. Even with
> 256kB cache, I'd expect the processor to spend >50% on wait states. But
> small instruction loops would execute very fast compared to the original
> processor. This puts BIOS and I/O drivers at risk (see thread a few weeks
> back).
>
> Alvin.

So it says.  I'm all in favor of using overdrive processors.  My 77
Bermuda, PC 750 have them and my PS/2 80-071 has a Blue Lightning.

However, its my understanding that 95s, especially with a Y complex,
don't take kindly to overdrives.  Has anyone here succeeded in getting
a 95A to run at 180MHz?

Dan

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Dan
3/8/2007 11:47:31 PM
Hi!

> So it says.  I'm all in favor of using overdrive processors.  My 77
> Bermuda, PC 750 have them and my PS/2 80-071 has a Blue Lightning.

Done right, they work very well. Of course, many planars/motherboards have
some reserve in the design for faster CPUs, higher power draw and even
faster clock cycles.

> However, its my understanding that 95s, especially with a Y complex,
> don't take kindly to overdrives.  Has anyone here succeeded in getting
> a 95A to run at 180MHz?

It's been done quite often. I have one sitting here, and it is nice. Mine
has a 200MHz part running at 180MHz. It could run at 200MHz with a crystal
oscillator swap from 60 to 66MHz, but I'm not willing to try. That part is
said to be troublesome and it far exceeds my soldering skills anyway. Once
acheived, I've heard that 200MHz operation is reliable. 233MHz operation
isn't always reliable, possibly due to voltage regulator stresses.

You need to cover two (and possibly three) points: Power for the Pentium
Overdrive fan, cooling for the regulator and possibly heavier power carrying
wiring for the regulator.

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney/p90/
http://www.mcamafia.de/bluebook/bluebook.htm

and finally: my Model 95A running at 180MHz:
http://www.walshcomptech.com/ps2/server95a.htm

The name Q-Q-Clock is intentional, even though the complex is a "Y". Peter
Wendt suggested it for a successful "Q" complex upgrade done by Tim Clarke.
I liked it and ran with it. Since that was written I have done a lot with
it. I've improved the disk subsystem by weeding out DFHS drives and
converting the entire internal SCSI bus to fast/wide (68 pin) devices. I've
also installed the so-called Enhanced Corvette Turbo F/W SCSI adapter from
the RS/6000 world. To put it mildly, this thing hauls.

William


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William
3/9/2007 6:18:00 AM
> <http://search.ebay.com/150099454273>
> [Ends march 18h, 2007; Buy now at EUR 300.00]

> Looks nice and likely one of the fastest around, but a bit expensive. The
> monitor would probably double shipping costs too.

If the auction is to be believed, I bet the system rocks with the
Cheetah and 6 F/W drives in the hot swap bays.

<drool_factor value="9.6"/>

I would love to have 6 of the F/W drive sleds instead of the 50-pin
narrow ones I currently use.

Sigh,
exwisdem

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exwisdem
3/9/2007 3:10:17 PM
Hi Dan-the K !

> So it says.  I'm all in favor of using overdrive processors.  My 77
> Bermuda, PC 750 have them and my PS/2 80-071 has a Blue Lightning.
> 
> However, its my understanding that 95s, especially with a Y complex,
> don't take kindly to overdrives.  Has anyone here succeeded in getting
> a 95A to run at 180MHz?

It is some sort of troubling process. Not just plug and play, since the 
Y is a Socket-5 complex, not a Socket-7, which were "Overdrive Ready".
Stuffing a PODP180MMX or PODP200MMX onto the Y requires some reworks 
that includes soldering and upgrading the onboard 3.3V Regulator.
At least you need the +5V on two pins of the socket for the PODP 
integrated fan and supplying a sufficient cooling to the 3.3V regulator.

See Jim Shorneys pages on that topic how to achieve that with 
"conventional methods" (= bigger heatsink) or mine with replacing the 
linear 3-leg regulator with a switchmode module from a Pentium II / Xeon 
machine.

It is not a very trivial job, but works fine. This message is composed 
with a 95A and PODP200MMX running at 200 MHz.

Going to even 233MHz then requires to replace the stock 60.00 MHz base 
oscillator with a 66.00 MHz part. This again *may* (or may not) end in 
an instable system, because the lot of processor complexi only have 
60-MHz-rated 80497 cache controller and cache RAMs. Been there - did 
that - ended in a 50:50 success even with a Y-platform with 66MHz rated 
chips (from a Server 500 rolled out at the very end of the MCA aera.)

It is also recommended to switch back to BIOS Level 08 *before* doing 
the rework and CPU upgrade. Levels 09 and 10 have some quirks that lead 
to some undetermined problems. And turn off the planar error logging or 
else you may need to clear the log every 3 days. Overclocked Y complexes 
seem to "miss a beat" now and then and the error log fills rapidly with 
non-criticial entries that lead to the "error log full" message in no 
time. Critical errors tend to shoot down the machine immediately ... :-)

-- 
Very friendly greetings from Peter in Germany
http://members.aol.com/mcapage0/mcaindex.htm

*** Reply to: peterwendt@aol.com only ! ***
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Peter
3/10/2007 1:12:56 PM
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:47:31 -0800, Dan-the K wrote:
 
> However, its my understanding that 95s, especially with a Y complex, don't
> take kindly to overdrives.  Has anyone here succeeded in getting a 95A to
> run at 180MHz?

Yes I have a 95A that runs @ 180mhz.  I followed the instructions Peter
mentioned.  It was a first-time-for-everything event for me and my hands
were shaking a bit with the soldering iron in my hands but it all went
well and the machine has run rock solid for about 3 years now with this
configuration.
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mr
3/10/2007 5:30:06 PM
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