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8570-E61

Louis Ohland wrote:
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> 8570-E61

Looks like he's got a couple of pictures swapped between this auction 
and the 50Z he's also selling.

> Looks like he's got a couple of pictures swapped between this auction
> and the 50Z he's also selling.

I don't think so.
Every pictures belong to each system.
Screen images are different.
Inner views are also different. There are 3x 16bit slots on 50Z
plannere while 2x 32bit and 1x 16bit slots are on 89570-E.
HD interface risers are also different. See each HDs how they
sit on the deck.
FCC ID on the labels are differrent too.

Hi!

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8763017206

(David, what's the word on your link shortener?)

Now that's interesting...either someone has been diddling with the
machine's planar, or that's a 16MHz "short board". I've heard of such a
creation, but I don't know if it exists or not.

I don't suppose anyone here would have an 8570-E61 with the proper
16MHz planar. The flood ate the CMOS circuitry on mine, and I'd really
like to have another.

William

> Now that's interesting...either someone has been diddling with the
> machine's planar, or that's a 16MHz "short board".

8570-E61/F61 are the "low cost" 80386 16Mhz models, 60MB, though the board
looks exactly like the 20Mhz, 120MB, 8570-121/M61.

>  I've heard of such a creation, but I don't know if it exists or not.

8570-E61 listed in the vintage collection, 8570-F61/M61 listed in the "PS/2
Hardware Overview" booklet dated 1990.

"Tim Clarke" <SpamBlock.MonetaimCom@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "UZnal" <unalz-at-mail333-dot-com> wrote in message
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> > > Now that's interesting...either someone has been diddling with the
> > > machine's planar, or that's a 16MHz "short board".
> >
> > 8570-E61/F61 are the "low cost" 80386 16Mhz models, 60MB, though the
board
> > looks exactly like the 20Mhz, 120MB, 8570-121/M61.
> >
> > >  I've heard of such a creation, but I don't know if it exists or not.
> >
> > 8570-E61 listed in the vintage collection, 8570-F61/M61 listed in the
> "PS/2
> > Hardware Overview" booklet dated 1990.
>
> IIRC, the -E61 Model is U.S. and the -F61 is the EMEA variant of it.
> The -M61 Model *should* be a SCSI-based Model with 160MB HD,
*correction* (-M61 = 160MB SCSI HD?).
> if the Model 80 -Mnn classifications are anything to go by.
> I've never heard of a SCSI-based Model 70, however.
*correction* (60MB HDs in -E61/-F61. 160MB in -M61?).
-- 
Regards,
    Tim Clarke (a.k.a. WBST)
    Guildford, U.K.

"UZnal" <unalz-at-mail333-dot-com> wrote in message
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> > Now that's interesting...either someone has been diddling with the
> > machine's planar, or that's a 16MHz "short board".
>
> 8570-E61/F61 are the "low cost" 80386 16Mhz models, 60MB, though the board
> looks exactly like the 20Mhz, 120MB, 8570-121/M61.
>
> >  I've heard of such a creation, but I don't know if it exists or not.
>
> 8570-E61 listed in the vintage collection, 8570-F61/M61 listed in the
"PS/2
> Hardware Overview" booklet dated 1990.

IIRC, the -E61 Model is U.S. and the -F61 is the EMEA variant of it.
The -M61 Model *should* be a SCSI-based Model, if the Model 80 -Mnn
classifications are anything to got by. I've never heard of a SCSI-based
Model 70, however. All, should have 160MB HDs.

HTTH
-- 
Regards,
    Tim Clarke (a.k.a. WBST)
    Guildford, U.K.

Hi!

> 8570-E61/F61 are the "low cost" 80386 16Mhz models, 60MB,
> though the board looks exactly like the 20Mhz, 120MB,
> 8570-121/M61.

The planar in my 8570-E61 was long, not unlike that of the Model 50 (no
Z). Instead of having a wired assembly, the battery/speaker assembly
plugged directly into the planar with a six-finger edgecard plug.

I've heard of a 20MHz "long board" but have never actually seen one.

I am surprised that there don't seem to be many of the 16MHz variant
around. Would anyone have just the planar?

William

> > if the Model 80 -Mnn classifications are anything to go by.
> > I've never heard of a SCSI-based Model 70, however.
> *correction* (60MB HDs in -E61/-F61. 160MB in -M61?).

It is indeed 60MB (27ms) in M61. The booklet lists F61, M61, 121, A21, R21,
five versions altogether for the 8570.  For Mod. 8580, the 320MB SCSI comes
with M21.
I too have never heard of a SCSI-based Model 70.

Hi Tim !

> *correction* (60MB HDs in -E61/-F61. 160MB in -M61?).

Nope.
-x61 has 60MB HD, x16 has 160MB.

-- 
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"Peter H. Wendt" <peterwendt@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Tim !
>
> > *correction* (60MB HDs in -E61/-F61. 160MB in -M61?).
>
> Nope.
> -x61 has 60MB HD, x16 has 160MB.

Hi Peter,
    darn it, the old memory's getting worse for the older stuff. I was
remembering the 8580-M81 and cross-referenced that rather than
the -M16/-M31. By the way, can you remember what the postage was for the
Epson paper tray? I have the item price as 25.60 Euro, but can't find the
box that it came in to add the postage and send to you.
-- 
Regards,
    Tim Clarke (a.k.a. WBST)
    Guildford, U.K.