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Auction: VINTAGE IBM PS2 MODEL 30 286 COMPUTER FOR REPAIR PARTS

Dead clock battery. (I'm still working on getting a DS1287 apart without
completely destroying it. Who'd have thought it would be this entertaining?)

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Ships to the US, located in Palm Harbor, FL. Ends Apr-17-07, 14:28:17 PDT

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Hi William !

> Dead clock battery. (I'm still working on getting a DS1287 apart without
> completely destroying it. Who'd have thought it would be this entertaining?)

I really wonder why it is so difficult for you. Really.

Next time use a Dremel or a sharp metal saw and not that big two-hand 
construction side concrete cutter, will you ?
:-D

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Peter
4/13/2007 1:01:15 PM
Hi!

> I really wonder why it is so difficult for you.
> Really.

Because I make things difficult. I don't like to, but I seem to be
quite good at it. :-)

I used a Dremel with the smallest bit I could find. It opened the chip
with ease, although not as cleanly as the pictures on your page show.

With the Dremel, I seem to lose one or both battery contacts. I either
can't find the contact in the potting compound or I'm buzzing right
through it. At 5,000 RPM (minimum speed on my Dremel tool) it is hard
to say.

William

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wm_walsh
4/13/2007 2:27:28 PM
Practice makes perfect?

I decided power tools weren't the right approach, at least not for me.
I picked up a DS1287 that I found in a desk drawer and verified that
it was dead.

Then I sat down with an extremely sharp knife, a pair of side cutters
and a small file. With about twenty minutes of careful cutting and
filing, I have exposed the contacts in the module. I was a little off
with regard to the location of the positive terminal. The negative was
dead on.

A quick shot to the negative connection with a sharp punch brought me
to the point of disconnecting the battery, and my meter now shows zero
volts present on the chip.

I've got to get a battery holder (2xAA would seem appropriate for
this) and solder the terminals. At least the module appears to still
be alive...I popped it into a 55SX for a moment and the system powered
up with a complaint of a dead battery.

William

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wm_walsh
4/13/2007 4:16:54 PM
Hi William !

> Practice makes perfect?

It sure does.

Millions of deads the past few hundred decades helped doctors to get 
things right ... so you are on the right track & in good company.
Need any brain or heart surgery lately ? (Not - I hope ...)

> I decided power tools weren't the right approach, at least not for me.
> I picked up a DS1287 that I found in a desk drawer and verified that
> it was dead.

I did my first shown on the page with a 'sort-of' Dremel. A cheap 
chinese plagiat in fact I bought from ALDI a few years back.

(ALDI is like Walmart - just cheaper. They operate with almost no staff 
and a minimum of presentation. They once started as a food-supplier.
However: they offer at least reasonable quality.)

> Then I sat down with an extremely sharp knife, a pair of side cutters
> and a small file. With about twenty minutes of careful cutting and
> filing, I have exposed the contacts in the module. I was a little off
> with regard to the location of the positive terminal. The negative was
> dead on.

Sounds good. Good things *take time*, don't you know ?
Everything that goes quick is questionable anyway (programming, eating, 
sex ...) - cars are excepted from it. They need to.

> A quick shot to the negative connection with a sharp punch brought me
> to the point of disconnecting the battery, and my meter now shows zero
> volts present on the chip.

Okay. Disconnecting the internal battery is the worst and only violent 
part of the whole operation.
Nontheless: it would be interesting *what* goes wrong with the other 
chips. Sound a bit as if you'd accidentially cut away the chip contacts.

> I've got to get a battery holder (2xAA would seem appropriate for
> this) and solder the terminals. At least the module appears to still
> be alive...I popped it into a 55SX for a moment and the system powered
> up with a complaint of a dead battery.

Unfortunately AAA holders are hard to get and way more expensive.
The triple-A take lesser room, which might be better. But what. Normally 
there's enough room inside Mod. 30-H / 55SX & 65SX to even use two 
Mono-Cells ... ;-)

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Peter
4/13/2007 11:45:34 PM
Peter H. Wendt wrote:
> Hi William !
> 
>> Dead clock battery. (I'm still working on getting a DS1287 apart without
>> completely destroying it. Who'd have thought it would be this 
>> entertaining?)
> 
> I really wonder why it is so difficult for you. Really.
> 
> Next time use a Dremel or a sharp metal saw and not that big two-hand 
> construction side concrete cutter, will you ?
> :-D


I wonder if ESD damage from the implement of destruction is an issue? 
Perhaps stick the legs into a chunk of that blac ESD protectant foam or 
wrapt them in aluminum foil before cutting/grinding?




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Jim
4/14/2007 2:05:49 AM
Hi!

> Millions of deads the past few hundred decades helped doctors to get
> things right ... so you are on the right track & in good company.

Hmmm...

> Need any brain or heart surgery lately ? (Not - I hope ...)

Not that I know of.

> (ALDI is like Walmart - just cheaper. They operate with almost no staff
> and a minimum of presentation. They once started as a food-supplier.
> However: they offer at least reasonable quality.)

We have them here in the US as well. Being in a small town, I don't go to
Aldi that often. I have a "Crofton" brand rice cooker that I bought some
time ago for $10 from Aldi. It makes good rice and still works great all
this time later. I have no complaints.

> Sound a bit as if you'd accidentially cut away the chip contacts.

The first one I did looked good, but the computer wouldn't power up with it
in place. Maybe ESD got it?

The others seemed to be a case of going too far into the chip casing. I
wasn't sure precisely where to start my "dremeling" activities. Wanting to
find a pin on the chip, I started quite low...probably too low.

I've actually given thought to reworking a DS1285 with external clock and
battery. I have some DIP sockets that would be the right size...remove the
pins from where they aren't needed on the bottom and insert power+clock into
the appropriate holes on the socket. Then plug the chip in and go.

William


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William
4/14/2007 3:10:54 AM
Hi Jim !

> I wonder if ESD damage from the implement of destruction is an issue? 
> Perhaps stick the legs into a chunk of that blac ESD protectant foam or 
> wrapt them in aluminum foil before cutting/grinding?

ESD might be a possible explanation.

There is surely an ESD-build-up once you try scratching away plastic 
compound at high rpm with a non-conducive tool. I doubt that most common 
Dremel-like machines have any proper GND path. Maybe the AC-powered ones 
have at least a GND wire, but the transformer-operated DC types won't.

On the other hand: no one knows what conditions the chips were before 
attempting a modification. Except you take them from an otherwise 
running machine the day after it starts complaining about a dead 
battery. "Stockpiled" old and dead chips might be lesser recommended 
candidates ...

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Peter
4/14/2007 8:05:11 AM
> > (ALDI is like Walmart - just cheaper. They operate with almost no staff
> > and a minimum of presentation. They once started as a food-supplier.
> > However: they offer at least reasonable quality.)
>
> We have them here in the US as well. Being in a small town, I don't go to
> Aldi that often.

ALDI here is HOFER (owned by ALDI), and you won't be disappointed. Not
seldom they offer Sony Ericsson, Motorola or Nokia cell phones at reasonable
and lower prices, their PC line is also good.



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4/14/2007 10:38:10 AM
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