Dear friends:

Does somebody know where to get a disk drive larger than 60 GB for my
X41 Tablet PC?

IBM/Lenovo did a big mistake designing the X41 Tablet PC with an 1.8"
hard drive, with an specific Hitachi interface that you cannot find in
any known USA store.

Last week I was in Florida, USA, and I went to any PC store that I
could find, among them CompUSA, BestBuy, etc. And nobody knew of these
strange hard drives.

Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
near future in the stores?

Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

"Juan I. Cahis" <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:fra0n2pngi04i723t5vf5b3ova0g5hrtqk@4ax.com...
Dear friends:

Does somebody know where to get a disk drive larger than 60 GB for my
X41 Tablet PC?

IBM/Lenovo did a big mistake designing the X41 Tablet PC with an 1.8"
hard drive, with an specific Hitachi interface that you cannot find in
any known USA store.

Last week I was in Florida, USA, and I went to any PC store that I
could find, among them CompUSA, BestBuy, etc. And nobody knew of these
strange hard drives.

Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
near future in the stores?

Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

Hello Juan,

what about an external USB harddisk?
regards
Michael 

Well, I have an extra drive in the Docking Station with 20 GB, but
what happens if I want to upgrade to Vista? It claims of 15 GB extra
free disk space inside the X41 box!!!!

"Michael Goldbach" <Michael.Goldbach@sap.com> wrote:

>"Juan I. Cahis" <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote in message=20
>news:fra0n2pngi04i723t5vf5b3ova0g5hrtqk@4ax.com...
>Dear friends:
>
>Does somebody know where to get a disk drive larger than 60 GB for my
>X41 Tablet PC?
>
>IBM/Lenovo did a big mistake designing the X41 Tablet PC with an 1.8"
>hard drive, with an specific Hitachi interface that you cannot find in
>any known USA store.
>
>Last week I was in Florida, USA, and I went to any PC store that I
>could find, among them CompUSA, BestBuy, etc. And nobody knew of these
>strange hard drives.
>
>Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
>near future in the stores?
>
>Thanks
>Juan I. Cahis
>Santiago de Chile (South America)
>Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
>
>Hello Juan,
>
>what about an external USB harddisk?
>regards
>Michael=20
>
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

> 
> Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
> near future in the stores?


   My search could not find ANY 1.8" hard drive over 60GB.   You may be 
looking at a physical limitation to storage space on such a small drive.  I 
imagine over time this may improve.... but who knows how long....




   Ed

Ed wrote:

>>Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
>>near future in the stores?
> 
> 
> 
>    My search could not find ANY 1.8" hard drive over 60GB.   You may be 
> looking at a physical limitation to storage space on such a small drive.  I 
> imagine over time this may improve.... but who knows how long....
> 
>    Ed

There may be a Toshiba drive at 80GB:
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful_uk/page3.html

http://tinyurl.com/ygt4qc

I didn't investigate the appropriateness or otherwise of the connector.

Thanks a lot, I hope that Hitachi will make them with the appropriate
connector.

The connector in the X41-TP disk is the same as the connector of any
2.5" disk, but located in the longer side. In that way, the physical
dimension of the disk is 1.8" x 2.5".

In the meantime, one needs to wait. But I am pessimistic because I
heard the rumor that in its new Tablet PC, the Dual Core X60,
IBM/Lenovo will return to the 2.5" format.

Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Ed wrote:
>
>>>Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
>>>near future in the stores?
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>    My search could not find ANY 1.8" hard drive over 60GB.   You may =
be=20
>> looking at a physical limitation to storage space on such a small =
drive.  I=20
>> imagine over time this may improve.... but who knows how long....
>>=20
>>    Ed
>
>There may be a Toshiba drive at 80GB:
>http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful_uk/page3.html
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ygt4qc
>
>I didn't investigate the appropriateness or otherwise of the connector.
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

Thanks a lot, I hope that Hitachi will make them with the appropriate
connector.

The connector in the X41-TP disk is the same as the connector of any
2.5" disk, but located in the longer side. In that way, the physical
dimension of the disk is 1.8" x 2.5".

In the meantime, one needs to wait. But I am pessimistic because I
heard the rumor that in its new Tablet PC, the Dual Core X60,
IBM/Lenovo will return to the 2.5" format.

Dougal <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Ed wrote:
>
>>>Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
>>>near future in the stores?
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>    My search could not find ANY 1.8" hard drive over 60GB.   You may =
be=20
>> looking at a physical limitation to storage space on such a small =
drive.  I=20
>> imagine over time this may improve.... but who knows how long....
>>=20
>>    Ed
>
>There may be a Toshiba drive at 80GB:
>http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful_uk/page3.html
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ygt4qc
>
>I didn't investigate the appropriateness or otherwise of the connector.
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:35:37 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
<jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote:

I answered your original question in the other group.

> In the meantime, one needs to wait. But I am pessimistic because I
> heard the rumor that in its new Tablet PC, the Dual Core X60,
> IBM/Lenovo will return to the 2.5" format.

Nothing to do with rumours - the X60 uses a 2 1/2" SATA drive.

Tony

The X60 Tablet PC too?

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:35:37 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
><jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>I answered your original question in the other group.
>
>> In the meantime, one needs to wait. But I am pessimistic because I
>> heard the rumor that in its new Tablet PC, the Dual Core X60,
>> IBM/Lenovo will return to the 2.5" format.
>
>Nothing to do with rumours - the X60 uses a 2 1/2" SATA drive.
>
>Tony
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:18:56 +0000, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in
<Ivednbl8PJ6uE-3YRVnyjw@eclipse.net.uk>:

>Ed wrote:
>
>>>Any hint? Is there a hope that those drives will be available in the
>>>near future in the stores?
>> 
>>    My search could not find ANY 1.8" hard drive over 60GB.   You may be 
>> looking at a physical limitation to storage space on such a small drive.  I 
>> imagine over time this may improve.... but who knows how long....
>
>There may be a Toshiba drive at 80GB:
>http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful_uk/page3.html
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ygt4qc
>
>I didn't investigate the appropriateness or otherwise of the connector.


Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:

   * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
   * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)

-- 
Best regards,
John Navas

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:29:45 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
wrote:

> Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>
>    * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>    * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)

You will need a hacksaw to shape either of them to fit into an X41.

Tony

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:18:10 +0000, "Anthony R. Gold"
<not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in
<m7ean25l1j7lpnu58kk9aftiete8jvp94j@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:29:45 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>>
>>    * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>>    * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)
>
>You will need a hacksaw to shape either of them to fit into an X41.

Actual difference in dimensions is ... ?

-- 
Best regards,
John Navas

"Toshiba intros 'world's most capacious' 1.8in HDD"
<http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/05/toshiba_intros_100gb_hdd/>

   Toshiba has unveiled what it claims is the world's most capacious
   1.8in hard drive, a tiny unit that nonetheless packs in 100GB of
   unformatted storage space. To achieve that capacity, the company used
   perpendicular recording.

   The drive, the MK1011GAH, contains two 50GB platters, and four read
   and write heads. The drive spins at 4,200rpm and has an average seek
   time of 15ms. It connects across an ATA-7 bus. The drive consumes
   0.3W of power, making it ideal, Toshiba indicated, for handhelds and
   sub-notebooks.

   Volume production of the drive begins in January 2007, Toshiba said.

-- 
Best regards,
John Navas

John Navas wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:18:10 +0000, "Anthony R. Gold"
> <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in
> <m7ean25l1j7lpnu58kk9aftiete8jvp94j@4ax.com>:
> 
> 
>>On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:29:45 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>>>
>>>   * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>>>   * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)
>>
>>You will need a hacksaw to shape either of them to fit into an X41.
> 
> 
> Actual difference in dimensions is ... ?

Try reading the one of the OP's follow-up posts.

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:20:47 +0000, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in
<VsCdnYPeZ40QW-jYRVnyjQ@eclipse.net.uk>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:18:10 +0000, "Anthony R. Gold"
>> <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in
>> <m7ean25l1j7lpnu58kk9aftiete8jvp94j@4ax.com>:
>> 
>>>On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:29:45 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>>>>
>>>>   * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>>>>   * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)
>>>
>>>You will need a hacksaw to shape either of them to fit into an X41.
>> 
>> Actual difference in dimensions is ... ?
>
>Try reading the one of the OP's follow-up posts.

In other words, you don't know the answer.

Try reading my question again, with a bit less attitude.

-- 
Best regards,
John Navas

>>>>Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>>>>
>>>>   * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>>>>   * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)
>>>
>>>You will need a hacksaw to shape either of them to fit into an X41.
>> 
>> 
>> Actual difference in dimensions is ... ?



   
    The MK8009GAH:  8mm H x 54mm W x 71mm d

   I missed the orginal posters HD type, or I'd look up its dimensions, 
too.   Anyone?


    Ed



   

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:07:35 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:18:10 +0000, "Anthony R. Gold"
> <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in
> <m7ean25l1j7lpnu58kk9aftiete8jvp94j@4ax.com>:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:29:45 GMT, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>>>
>>>    * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>>>    * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)
>>
>> You will need a hacksaw to shape either of them to fit into an X41.
>
> Actual difference in dimensions is ... ?

They are deceptively very similar.  The problem comes when you discover
that Toshiba placed its connector along the shorter side of the rectangle
and Hitachi has its connector along the longer side, so you would need to
cut about 20mm off the Toshiba if you inserted it to mate plug and socket.

Tony

On 5 Dec 2006 20:23:53 GMT, Ed <Huckleberry_REMOVE_@bigvalley.net> wrote:

>     The MK8009GAH:  8mm H x 54mm W x 71mm d
>
>    I missed the orginal posters HD type, or I'd look up its dimensions, 
> too.   Anyone?

Google Hitachi Travelstar C4K60.

Tony

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in 
news:a2rbn29h8re44ib1cjm46gkmh2d4qjo337@4ax.com:

> On 5 Dec 2006 20:23:53 GMT, Ed <Huckleberry_REMOVE_@bigvalley.net> wrote:
> 
>>     The MK8009GAH:  8mm H x 54mm W x 71mm d
>>
>>    I missed the orginal posters HD type, or I'd look up its dimensions, 
>> too.   Anyone?
> 
> Google Hitachi Travelstar C4K60.
> 
> Tony


  Yes....  the Hitachi is 7mm high....   1 mm thinner than the Toshiba.... 
not sure if that would be an issue but I see in your subsequent post that 
the connectors are placed differently?   Strange.  I thought there was more 
standardization than that...  oh well...


   Ed

John Navas wrote:
>
> Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>
>   * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>   * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)

As Tony Gold rightfully notes, neither of these units will fit in the
X4X
series.

No 1.8" HD with a ZIF connector will fit in anything other than an iPod
or
similar device.

No 1.8" HD with an IDE connector on the endframe will fit in an X4X as
they
require the Hitachi style interface where the IDE connector is on the
side
of the drive frame.
--
James

Visit the Thinkpad Forums
http://forum.thinkpads.com

Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> The X60 Tablet PC too?

Yes Juan, the Tablet too.
--
James

Visit the Thinkpad Forums
http://forum.thinkpads.com

On Dec 5, 2:20 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> "Toshiba intros 'world's most capacious' 1.8in HDD"
> <http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/05/toshiba_intros_100gb_hdd/>

Won't fit in the X4X series for the aforementioned reasons John, only
offered with ZIF or _end_ mounted IDE connectors.
--
James

Visit the Thinkpad Forums
http://forum.thinkpads.com

Yes, that is the problem.

And it is unbelievable that in the back of the Notebook, IBM/Lenovo
writes the instructions for the user about how to upgrade the disk
drive by himself!!!! How can I upgrade the disk drive by myself, if
nobody makes the upgrade????

I think that IBM/Lenovo can easily solve the problem if they really
wants to help their customers. Because the connector is exactly the
same of any Parallel ATA 2.5 drive, and it is located in the same
place, (and the drive specs seem to be the same too), you could
install a standard 2.5" drive there providing three things:

1)	You get an extra internal bay for a 2.5" drive of the
IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad family (the thin bay where the hard disk is
screwed),

2)	You forget to store the Tablet PC Pen in the Notebook itself
(you can store it in your shirt pocket without any problem),

3)	AND IBM/Lenovo makes a new hard disk external cover for this
machine that allows the hard disk to extend to outside less than one
half inches in the front (the black cover).

Is somebody of IBM/Lenovo hearing this, or we should to resign to
discard machines that they are six months old because we cannot
upgrade them to the new version of the Operating System???? Please
note that the Vista Upgrade is *very important* for Tablet PCs.

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:07:35 GMT, John Navas =
<spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 09:18:10 +0000, "Anthony R. Gold"
>> <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote in
>> <m7ean25l1j7lpnu58kk9aftiete8jvp94j@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:29:45 GMT, John Navas =
<spamfilter0@navasgroup.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>>>>
>>>>    * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>>>>    * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)
>>>
>>> You will need a hacksaw to shape either of them to fit into an X41.
>>
>> Actual difference in dimensions is ... ?
>
>They are deceptively very similar.  The problem comes when you discover
>that Toshiba placed its connector along the shorter side of the =
rectangle
>and Hitachi has its connector along the longer side, so you would need =
to
>cut about 20mm off the Toshiba if you inserted it to mate plug and =
socket.
>
>Tony
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:08:08 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
<jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote:

> I think that IBM/Lenovo can easily solve the problem if they really
> wants to help their customers. Because the connector is exactly the
> same of any Parallel ATA 2.5 drive, and it is located in the same
> place, (and the drive specs seem to be the same too), you could
> install a standard 2.5" drive there providing three things:

The connectors are NOT the same.  The Hitachi uses the standard 50 pin
plug as used in 2 1/2" ATA drives.  The Toshiba uses a 44 pin socket
connector with a smaller pitch (distance between adjacent pins) on their
drives.  To do what you want there is made an adapter which will allow you
to connect a Toshiba 1 1/8 drive to a host designed for Hitachi - but that
doesn't solve the 20mm protrusion problem, it just makes it a bit worse:

http://www.shopaddonics.com/mmSHOPADDONICS/Images/aat18ide25.gif

For more data http://www.shopaddonics.com and put AAT18IDE25 in the search

(I only discovered this device being offered but I have never tried it.)

Tony

On 5 Dec 2006 19:06:55 -0800, "JHEM" <James@thinkpads.com> wrote in
<1165374415.747771.166200@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>:

>John Navas wrote:
>>
>> Toshiba makes two standard 80 GB drives <http://sdd.toshiba.com/>:
>>
>>   * MK8007GAH (1.8-inch PMR HDD 80.0 GB, IDE connector)
>>   * MK8009GAH (1.8-inch CE PMR HDD 80.0GB, ZIF connector)
>
>As Tony Gold rightfully notes, neither of these units will fit in the
>X4X
>series.
>
>No 1.8" HD with a ZIF connector will fit in anything other than an iPod
>or
>similar device.
>
>No 1.8" HD with an IDE connector on the endframe will fit in an X4X as
>they
>require the Hitachi style interface where the IDE connector is on the
>side
>of the drive frame.

A good reason to avoid the X4x.

-- 
Best regards,
John Navas

Dear Anthony, please read my posting carefully, I am saying that the
X41-TabletPC , with the Hitachi drive, uses the same connector than
any 2.5" Parallel ATA 2.5" drive, so if IBM/Lenovo wants to help their
customers, it is not to difficult to use a 2.5" drive in the Thinkpad.

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:08:08 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
><jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I think that IBM/Lenovo can easily solve the problem if they really
>> wants to help their customers. Because the connector is exactly the
>> same of any Parallel ATA 2.5 drive, and it is located in the same
>> place, (and the drive specs seem to be the same too), you could
>> install a standard 2.5" drive there providing three things:
>
>The connectors are NOT the same.  The Hitachi uses the standard 50 pin
>plug as used in 2 1/2" ATA drives.  The Toshiba uses a 44 pin socket
>connector with a smaller pitch (distance between adjacent pins) on their
>drives.  To do what you want there is made an adapter which will allow =
you
>to connect a Toshiba 1 1/8 drive to a host designed for Hitachi - but =
that
>doesn't solve the 20mm protrusion problem, it just makes it a bit worse:
>
>http://www.shopaddonics.com/mmSHOPADDONICS/Images/aat18ide25.gif
>
>For more data http://www.shopaddonics.com and put AAT18IDE25 in the =
search
>
>(I only discovered this device being offered but I have never tried it.)
>
>Tony
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:49:00 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
<jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Dear Anthony, please read my posting carefully, I am saying that the
> X41-TabletPC , with the Hitachi drive, uses the same connector than
> any 2.5" Parallel ATA 2.5" drive, so if IBM/Lenovo wants to help their
> customers, it is not to difficult to use a 2.5" drive in the Thinkpad.

My apology for not understanding your comment; I thought you wanted to
mount the iPod style (Toshiba) drive into your X41 Tablet.

If you go with an X32 you will get pretty much what you want.  Lenovo may
have stopped shipping them but you can still get them new from dealers.

Tony