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Mac advocacy again: Springer changes to Mac

Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.

http://tinyurl.com/68ajad

=46rom the article:

In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D=F6pfner lists
four reasons for the change:

Most of the company=92s layout work was already being done on Macs
Macs are more user friendly than other computers
Apple creates the most elegant computers
Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
past
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> 
> From the article:
> 
> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> four reasons for the change:
> 
> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> past
> --
> Dave Fritzinger
> Honolulu, HI

It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
support.

"Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
the CEO of my company.

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/4/2008 11:41:52 PM
In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> > 
> > From the article:
> > 
> > In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> > four reasons for the change:
> > 
> > Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > past
> > --
> > Dave Fritzinger
> > Honolulu, HI
> 
> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> support.
> 
> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> the CEO of my company.

Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
farm with Windows.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." �Chris L. 
0
7/4/2008 11:59:32 PM
Timberwoof wrote:
> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>
>>> From the article:
>>>
>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>
>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>> past
>>> --
>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>> Honolulu, HI
>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
>> support.
>>
>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
>> the CEO of my company.
> 
> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
> farm with Windows.

They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.

I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
(computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
"imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.

Steve
0
steve13 (4870)
7/5/2008 12:48:34 AM
In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Timberwoof wrote:
> > In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>
> >>> From the article:
> >>>
> >>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> >>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>
> >>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>> past
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>> Honolulu, HI
> >> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
> >> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >> support.
> >>
> >> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >> the CEO of my company.
> > 
> > Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
> > company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
> > in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> > creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> > environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
> > farm with Windows.
> 
> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> 
> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.

Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors and 
lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR, 
finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the 
creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done. 

Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for their 
operation.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." �Chris L. 
0
7/5/2008 1:58:39 AM
Timberwoof wrote:
> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>>>
>>>>> From the article:
>>>>>
>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>>>> past
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>>>> Honolulu, HI
>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
>>>> the CEO of my company.
>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
>>> farm with Windows.
>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
>>
>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> 
> Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors and 
> lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR, 
> finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the 
> creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done. 
> 
> Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for their 
> operation.

Do you have proof of that?  As I understand it, they let users choose 
what they  want - Linux, Windows, OS X.

http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-marke.html
(see last sentence)

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/5/2008 3:50:18 AM
In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Timberwoof wrote:
> > In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>
> >>> From the article:
> >>>
> >>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> >>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>
> >>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>> past
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>> Honolulu, HI
> >> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
> >> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >> support.
> >>
> >> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >> the CEO of my company.
> > 
> > Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
> > company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
> > in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> > creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> > environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
> > farm with Windows.
> 
> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> 
> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> 
> Steve

I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
"creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
tools they work with.

Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
ing to think you like drab, period.
-- 
Mike
0
mike139 (842)
7/5/2008 6:35:45 AM
Mike wrote:
> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>>>
>>>>> From the article:
>>>>>
>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>>>> past
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>>>> Honolulu, HI
>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
>>>> the CEO of my company.
>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
>>> farm with Windows.
>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
>>
>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>>
>> Steve
> 
> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
> tools they work with.
> 
> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
> ing to think you like drab, period.

I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
producing programs, etc.  We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/5/2008 7:32:05 AM
In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Mike wrote:
> > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From the article:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> >>>>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>>>> past
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
> >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >>>> support.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
> >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
> >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
> >>> farm with Windows.
> >> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> >>
> >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> >>
> >> Steve
> > 
> > I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
> > "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
> > tools they work with.
> > 
> > Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
> > see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
> > ing to think you like drab, period.
> 
> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
> producing programs, etc. 

Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
content available. 

IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
weren't. 

> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.

The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 

IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
such things. 

> 
> Steve
-- 
Mike
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mike139 (842)
7/5/2008 5:15:15 PM
Mike wrote:
> In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike wrote:
>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the article:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
>>>>> farm with Windows.
>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
>>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
>>> tools they work with.
>>>
>>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
>>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
>>> ing to think you like drab, period.
>> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
>> producing programs, etc. 
> 
> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
> content available. 

We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?


> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
> weren't. 

>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
>> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
>> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
> 
> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 
> 
> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
> such things. 

Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/5/2008 6:19:51 PM
In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Timberwoof wrote:
> > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From the article:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> >>>>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>>>> past
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
> >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >>>> support.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
> >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
> >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
> >>> farm with Windows.
> >> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> >>
> >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> > 
> > Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors and 
> > lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR, 
> > finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the 
> > creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done. 
> > 
> > Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for their 
> > operation.
> 
> Do you have proof of that?  As I understand it, they let users choose 
> what they  want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
> 
> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-marke.html
> (see last sentence)

Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's 
hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly 
publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on 
searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." �Chris L. 
0
7/5/2008 6:21:09 PM
On Jul 5, 2:21=A0pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
> In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,
> =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Timberwoof wrote:
> > > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
> > > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Timberwoof wrote:
> > >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > >>> =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> > >>>>> From the article:
>
> > >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D=F6pfner =
lists
> > >>>>> four reasons for the change:
>
> > >>>>> Most of the company=B9s layout work was already being done on Mac=
s
> > >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in =
the
> > >>>>> past
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> > >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> > >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP=
 on
> > >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS =
to
> > >>>> support.
>
> > >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". =A0Wow, I'm glad he's =
not
> > >>>> the CEO of my company.
> > >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publis=
hing
> > >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an indus=
try
> > >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative=
,
> > >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> > >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab =
cube
> > >>> farm with Windows.
> > >> They're going to be using Windows too. =A0Just on Macs.
>
> > >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> > >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. =A0I wonder what
> > >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> > >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routi=
ne
> > >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> > > Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors an=
d
> > > lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR,
> > > finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the
> > > creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done.
>
> > > Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for their
> > > operation.
>
> > Do you have proof of that? =A0As I understand it, they let users choose
> > what they =A0want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
>
> >http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-ma...
> > (see last sentence)
>
> Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's
> hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
> publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
> searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>
> --
> Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> emptying chamber pots in your direction." =8BChris L.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!
0
muahman (3479)
7/5/2008 7:54:17 PM
On Jul 5, 9:54=A0am, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 2:21=A0pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,
> > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > Timberwoof wrote:
> > > > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
> > > > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Timberwoof wrote:
> > > >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > >>> =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > > >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> > > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> > > >>>>> From the article:
>
> > > >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D=F6pfne=
r lists
> > > >>>>> four reasons for the change:
>
> > > >>>>> Most of the company=B9s layout work was already being done on M=
acs
> > > >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > > >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > > >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were i=
n the
> > > >>>>> past
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> > > >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> > > >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows =
XP on
> > > >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal O=
S to
> > > >>>> support.
>
> > > >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". =A0Wow, I'm glad he'=
s not
> > > >>>> the CEO of my company.
> > > >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publ=
ishing
> > > >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an ind=
ustry
> > > >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginati=
ve,
> > > >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> > > >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a dra=
b cube
> > > >>> farm with Windows.
> > > >> They're going to be using Windows too. =A0Just on Macs.
>
> > > >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> > > >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. =A0I wonder what
> > > >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> > > >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in rou=
tine
> > > >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> > > > Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors =
and
> > > > lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR,
> > > > finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the
> > > > creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done.
>
> > > > Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for thei=
r
> > > > operation.
>
> > > Do you have proof of that? =A0As I understand it, they let users choo=
se
> > > what they =A0want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
>
> > >http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-ma.=
...
> > > (see last sentence)
>
> > Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's
> > hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
> > publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
> > searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>
> > --
> > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> > "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> > emptying chamber pots in your direction." =8BChris L.- Hide quoted text=
 -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!

You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
mama, and all that...
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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dfritzin (3022)
7/5/2008 8:33:23 PM
Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> On Jul 5, 9:54 am, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 2:21 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,
>>>  Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
>>>>>  Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>>>>>>> From the article:
>>>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
>>>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
>>>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
>>>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not
>>>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
>>>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing
>>>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry
>>>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative,
>>>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
>>>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube
>>>>>>> farm with Windows.
>>>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
>>>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
>>>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what
>>>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
>>>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine
>>>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>>>>> Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors and
>>>>> lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR,
>>>>> finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the
>>>>> creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done.
>>>>> Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for their
>>>>> operation.
>>>> Do you have proof of that?  As I understand it, they let users choose
>>>> what they  want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
>>>> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-ma...
>>>> (see last sentence)
>>> Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's
>>> hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
>>> publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
>>> searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>>> --
>>> Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
>>> "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
>>> emptying chamber pots in your direction." �Chris L.- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!
> 
> You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
> talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
> Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
> allow Macs in business. 

They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and 
Windows XP.  So we don't know how much OS X migration this really 
consists of.   I'd love to know what sort of kick-back/deal they got 
on this.

Steve

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steve13 (4870)
7/5/2008 8:55:41 PM
Dave Fritzinger wrote:

> You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
> talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
> Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
> allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
> mama, and all that...
> --
> Dave Fritzinger
> Honolulu, HI


So when Springer installs Windows Vista or Windows XP on some of these 
new Macs, which they said they would, which vendor do they go to for 
support?    If they had bought Dell or HP machines they would get OS 
support for free for the life of the warranty, 3 or 4 years usually. 
  Is Apple supporting machines with XP or Vista installed on them?

Steve

0
steve13 (4870)
7/5/2008 8:59:20 PM
On Jul 5, 4:33=A0pm, Dave Fritzinger <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 9:54=A0am, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2:21=A0pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,
> > > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Timberwoof wrote:
> > > > > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
> > > > > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> Timberwoof wrote:
> > > > >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > > >>> =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> > > > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> > > > >>>>> From the article:
>
> > > > >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D=F6pf=
ner lists
> > > > >>>>> four reasons for the change:
>
> > > > >>>>> Most of the company=B9s layout work was already being done on=
 Macs
> > > > >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > > > >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > > > >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were=
 in the
> > > > >>>>> past
> > > > >>>>> --
> > > > >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> > > > >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> > > > >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Window=
s XP on
> > > > >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal=
 OS to
> > > > >>>> support.
>
> > > > >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". =A0Wow, I'm glad h=
e's not
> > > > >>>> the CEO of my company.
> > > > >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a pu=
blishing
> > > > >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an i=
ndustry
> > > > >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imagina=
tive,
> > > > >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> > > > >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a d=
rab cube
> > > > >>> farm with Windows.
> > > > >> They're going to be using Windows too. =A0Just on Macs.
>
> > > > >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> > > > >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. =A0I wonder wha=
t
> > > > >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> > > > >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in r=
outine
> > > > >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> > > > > Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business major=
s and
> > > > > lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR=
,
> > > > > finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the
> > > > > creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything don=
e.
>
> > > > > Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for th=
eir
> > > > > operation.
>
> > > > Do you have proof of that? =A0As I understand it, they let users ch=
oose
> > > > what they =A0want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
>
> > > >http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-m=
a...
> > > > (see last sentence)
>
> > > Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It'=
s
> > > hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
> > > publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
> > > searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>
> > > --
> > > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> > > "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> > > emptying chamber pots in your direction." =8BChris L.- Hide quoted te=
xt -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!
>
> You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
> talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
> Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
> allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
> mama, and all that...
> --
> Dave Fritzinger
> Honolulu, HI- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL! Go buy yourself a sense of humor you turd.

P.S. Macs are 100% banished from the workplace. Why? Because they are
toys.
0
muahman (3479)
7/5/2008 8:59:39 PM
In article <co2dnRyzRbZTQvLVnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and 
> Windows XP.  So we don't know how much OS X migration this really 
> consists of.   I'd love to know what sort of kick back/deal they got 
> on this.
> 
> Steve

Better take a giant shit, Steve, because it is getting eyebrow deep. And 
give us proof that Springer took kick backs from Apple.
0
t-bone2 (2779)
7/5/2008 9:28:46 PM
Chance Furlong wrote:
> In article <co2dnRyzRbZTQvLVnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and 
>> Windows XP.  So we don't know how much OS X migration this really 
>> consists of.   I'd love to know what sort of kick back/deal they got 
>> on this.
>>
>> Steve
> 
> Better take a giant shit, Steve, because it is getting eyebrow deep. And 
> give us proof that Springer took kick backs from Apple.

Did I say they took kick backs from Apple?   Read again.

I wonder what their owners (the shareholders) think of the company 
wasting money like this?

Steve
0
steve13 (4870)
7/5/2008 9:37:39 PM
On Jul 5, 10:59=A0am, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 4:33=A0pm, Dave Fritzinger <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 9:54=A0am, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 5, 2:21=A0pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.co=
m>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,
> > > > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Timberwoof wrote:
> > > > > > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
> > > > > > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> Timberwoof wrote:
> > > > > >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > > > >>> =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> > > > > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> > > > > >>>>> From the article:
>
> > > > > >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D=F6=
pfner lists
> > > > > >>>>> four reasons for the change:
>
> > > > > >>>>> Most of the company=B9s layout work was already being done =
on Macs
> > > > > >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > > > > >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > > > > >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they we=
re in the
> > > > > >>>>> past
> > > > > >>>>> --
> > > > > >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> > > > > >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> > > > > >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Wind=
ows XP on
> > > > > >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additon=
al OS to
> > > > > >>>> support.
>
> > > > > >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". =A0Wow, I'm glad=
 he's not
> > > > > >>>> the CEO of my company.
> > > > > >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a =
publishing
> > > > > >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an=
 industry
> > > > > >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imagi=
native,
> > > > > >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> > > > > >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a=
 drab cube
> > > > > >>> farm with Windows.
> > > > > >> They're going to be using Windows too. =A0Just on Macs.
>
> > > > > >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> > > > > >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. =A0I wonder w=
hat
> > > > > >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> > > > > >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in=
 routine
> > > > > >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> > > > > > Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business maj=
ors and
> > > > > > lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine =
HR,
> > > > > > finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring th=
e
> > > > > > creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything d=
one.
>
> > > > > > Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for =
their
> > > > > > operation.
>
> > > > > Do you have proof of that? =A0As I understand it, they let users =
choose
> > > > > what they =A0want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
>
> > > > >http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate=
-ma...
> > > > > (see last sentence)
>
> > > > Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. I=
t's
> > > > hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reill=
y
> > > > publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
> > > > searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> > > > "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> > > > emptying chamber pots in your direction." =8BChris L.- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!
>
> > You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
> > talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
> > Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
> > allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
> > mama, and all that...
> > --
> > Dave Fritzinger
> > Honolulu, HI- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> LOL! Go buy yourself a sense of humor you turd.

Why should I assume you were making a joke, mama's boy? I'm sure no
one ever lost money by underestimating your intelligence.
>
> P.S. Macs are 100% banished from the workplace. Why? Because they are
> toys.
Except, where this article demonstrates, when they are allowed in the
workplace. Just like, at UH, Macs are very common in the School of
Medicine. And, as this article demonstrates, you are a pitiful liar
who spends all his time trying to denigrate the Mac. What a pitiful
life you must have.
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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dfritzin (3022)
7/5/2008 10:43:43 PM
On Jul 5, 8:19=A0am, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7in...@giganews.com>,
> > =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> >> Mike wrote:
> >>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
> >>> =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> >>>>> =A0Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> >>>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> >>>>>>> From the article:
>
> >>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D=F6pfner =
lists
> >>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>
> >>>>>>> Most of the company=B9s layout work was already being done on Mac=
s
> >>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in =
the
> >>>>>>> past
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP=
 on
> >>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS =
to
> >>>>>> support.
>
> >>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". =A0Wow, I'm glad he's =
not
> >>>>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publis=
hing
> >>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an indus=
try
> >>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative=
,
> >>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> >>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab =
cube
> >>>>> farm with Windows.
> >>>> They're going to be using Windows too. =A0Just on Macs.
>
> >>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> >>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. =A0I wonder what
> >>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> >>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routi=
ne
> >>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> >>>> Steve
> >>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a
> >>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the
> >>> tools they work with.
>
> >>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to
> >>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will
> >>> ing to think you like drab, period.
> >> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played,
> >> producing programs, etc.
>
> > Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need
> > a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the
> > content available.
>
> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music
> programming with a computer database program I wrote. =A0You don't
> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work,
> or "content"? =A0 =A0Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc=
?
>
> > IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you
> > weren't.
> >> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for
> >> how they looked or felt. =A0 A work computer is just a tool that sits =
on
> >> their desk. =A0I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer ligh=
ting.
>
> > The chair and/or lighting come after the tools.
>
> > IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates
> > such things.
>
> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the
> most money possible for their shareholders. =A0And I'd hardly consider
> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
>
> Steve

One of their publications, Die Welt, is one of the more highly
respected newspapers in Germany.
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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dfritzin (3022)
7/5/2008 10:44:48 PM
In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".

What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?




-- 
--Tim Smith
0
reply_in_group (13194)
7/5/2008 10:57:23 PM
In article <CLWdnUcw46Q-dPLVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Chance Furlong wrote:
> > In article <co2dnRyzRbZTQvLVnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and 
> >> Windows XP.  So we don't know how much OS X migration this really 
> >> consists of.   I'd love to know what sort of kick back/deal they got 
> >> on this.
> >>
> >> Steve
> > 
> > Better take a giant shit, Steve, because it is getting eyebrow deep. And 
> > give us proof that Springer took kick backs from Apple.
> 
> Did I say they took kick backs from Apple?   Read again.
> 
> I wonder what their owners (the shareholders) think of the company 
> wasting money like this?

You have some support data that they are indeed "wasting money"?

-- 
regarding Snit  "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, 
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting 
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
0
Tim
7/5/2008 11:19:45 PM
"MuahMan" <muahman@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fc373562-a10b-4bf7-b9be-2c4612e79e7f@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 5, 2:21 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
wrote:
> In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,
> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Timberwoof wrote:
> > > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
> > > Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Timberwoof wrote:
> > >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > >>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> > >>>>> From the article:
>
> > >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner 
> > >>>>> lists
> > >>>>> four reasons for the change:
>
> > >>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> > >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in 
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> past
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> > >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> > >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP 
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS 
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> support.
>
> > >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". Wow, I'm glad he's not
> > >>>> the CEO of my company.
> > >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a 
> > >>> publishing
> > >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an 
> > >>> industry
> > >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative,
> > >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> > >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab 
> > >>> cube
> > >>> farm with Windows.
> > >> They're going to be using Windows too. Just on Macs.
>
> > >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> > >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. I wonder what
> > >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> > >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in 
> > >> routine
> > >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> > > Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors and
> > > lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR,
> > > finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the
> > > creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done.
>
> > > Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for their
> > > operation.
>
> > Do you have proof of that? As I understand it, they let users choose
> > what they want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
>
> >http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-ma...
> > (see last sentence)
>
> Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's
> hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
> publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
> searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>
> --
> Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> emptying chamber pots in your direction." �Chris L.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!

Fritzinger is a moron.  Who cares what he thinks? 


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tonyrizman (18)
7/5/2008 11:28:57 PM
"Steve de Mena" <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote in message 
news:CLWdnUcw46Q-dPLVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@giganews.com...
> Chance Furlong wrote:
>> In article <co2dnRyzRbZTQvLVnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They said the systems would be installed with OS X, Windows Vista and 
>>> Windows XP.  So we don't know how much OS X migration this really 
>>> consists of.   I'd love to know what sort of kick back/deal they got on 
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Better take a giant shit, Steve, because it is getting eyebrow deep. And 
>> give us proof that Springer took kick backs from Apple.

Take a giant shit, Steve,  Furlong is hungry. 


0
tonyrizman (18)
7/5/2008 11:30:42 PM
On Jul 5, 1:28=A0pm, "Tony Rizz" <tonyriz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "MuahMan" <muah...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fc373562-a10b-4bf7-b9be-2c4612e79e7f@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 5, 2:21 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <rIWdnTXTWv7mcvPVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>,
> > Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > Timberwoof wrote:
> > > > In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szin...@giganews.com>,
> > > > Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Timberwoof wrote:
> > > >>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > >>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > > >>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>
> > > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>
> > > >>>>> From the article:
>
> > > >>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D=F6pfne=
r
> > > >>>>> lists
> > > >>>>> four reasons for the change:
>
> > > >>>>> Most of the company=B9s layout work was already being done on M=
acs
> > > >>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > > >>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > > >>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were i=
n
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> past
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> > > >>>>> Honolulu, HI
> > > >>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows =
XP
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal O=
S
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>> support.
>
> > > >>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers". Wow, I'm glad he's n=
ot
> > > >>>> the CEO of my company.
> > > >>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a
> > > >>> publishing
> > > >>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an
> > > >>> industry
> > > >>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginati=
ve,
> > > >>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work
> > > >>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a dra=
b
> > > >>> cube
> > > >>> farm with Windows.
> > > >> They're going to be using Windows too. Just on Macs.
>
> > > >> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools
> > > >> (computer hardware) just because of their looks. I wonder what
> > > >> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the
> > > >> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in
> > > >> routine
> > > >> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>
> > > > Over the years I have learned to be distrustful of business majors =
and
> > > > lawyers who think they can build a business by hiring "routine HR,
> > > > finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs" and ignoring the
> > > > creative staff. I wonder how they think they can get anything done.
>
> > > > Maybe you can explain to use why O'Reilly went to all OS X for thei=
r
> > > > operation.
>
> > > Do you have proof of that? As I understand it, they let users choose
> > > what they want - Linux, Windows, OS X.
>
> > >http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2008/05/mac-pcs-in-the-corporate-ma.=
...
> > > (see last sentence)
>
> > Hm. That's news ... recent news. The last I read was what I said. It's
> > hard to find the specific article where they said that, for O'Reilly
> > publishes a lot of books about OS X, and they're what show up on
> > searches. Three cheers for you: You get to score a debating point.
>
> > --
> > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> > "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> > emptying chamber pots in your direction." =8BChris L.- Hide quoted text=
 -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Jerry Springer is a moron. Who cares what computer he uses!
>
> Fritzinger is a moron. =A0Who cares what he thinks?
You obviously do. You bothered to reply...
Now, is this zara or mama's boy that I am going to killfile? Anyway,
welcome to my bozo bin, you bozo.
<plonk>
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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dfritzin (3022)
7/5/2008 11:34:16 PM
In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Timberwoof wrote:
> > In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>
> >>> From the article:
> >>>
> >>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> >>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>
> >>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>> past
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>> Honolulu, HI
> >> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
> >> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >> support.
> >>
> >> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >> the CEO of my company.
> > 
> > Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
> > company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
> > in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> > creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> > environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
> > farm with Windows.
> 
> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.

Great. The more the merrier. Choice is good. Competition is good. We all 
win.

> 
> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> 
> Steve

See above. There's no reason everybody has to be locked into MS 
solutions, even if they do "uncreative" stuff. VisiCalc originated on 
Apple gear. The scientific community likes Apple. MacOS and Apple 
DevTools are robust and will integrate with the iPhone platform. There's 
no reason enterprise data and apps can't live on MacOS.

It's Microsoft that's steered everybody into their proprietary corner, 
and succeeded for the past two decades - fair play to them. That users 
wouldn't be clamoring for open file formats, more OS choice and more 
bloody platform competition is more concerning. Borders on Stockholm 
syndrome...
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cwkollertwo (395)
7/6/2008 12:42:21 AM
In article <0rqdnQoTRc80ffLVnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> 
> > You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
> > talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
> > Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
> > allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
> > mama, and all that...
> > --
> > Dave Fritzinger
> > Honolulu, HI
> 
> 
> So when Springer installs Windows Vista or Windows XP on some of these 
> new Macs, which they said they would, which vendor do they go to for 
> support?    If they had bought Dell or HP machines they would get OS 
> support for free for the life of the warranty, 3 or 4 years usually. 
>   Is Apple supporting machines with XP or Vista installed on them?
> 
> Steve

I'd imagine they support the machines up to where MacOS interacts with 
the 3rd party software, whether that be MS, Adobe or anybody else. No 
doubt IT will have to resolve Windows problems with MS, Parallels/VMWare 
and Apple. 

But consider that they'll have a much smaller hardware/peripheral 
variable set to mess with. If their overall IT cost doesn't go down, 
that would be good reason to switch back to Dell/HP/etc. and Windows.

Bet that doesn't happen...
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cwkollertwo (395)
7/6/2008 12:48:50 AM
Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
>> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
> 
> What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?

Look it up.

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/6/2008 4:21:03 AM
Craig Koller wrote:
> In article <0rqdnQoTRc80ffLVnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>
>>> You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
>>> talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
>>> Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
>>> allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
>>> mama, and all that...
>>> --
>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>> Honolulu, HI
>>
>> So when Springer installs Windows Vista or Windows XP on some of these 
>> new Macs, which they said they would, which vendor do they go to for 
>> support?    If they had bought Dell or HP machines they would get OS 
>> support for free for the life of the warranty, 3 or 4 years usually. 
>>   Is Apple supporting machines with XP or Vista installed on them?
>>
>> Steve
> 
> I'd imagine they support the machines up to where MacOS interacts with 
> the 3rd party software, whether that be MS, Adobe or anybody else. No 
> doubt IT will have to resolve Windows problems with MS, Parallels/VMWare 
> and Apple. 
> 
> But consider that they'll have a much smaller hardware/peripheral 
> variable set to mess with. If their overall IT cost doesn't go down, 
> that would be good reason to switch back to Dell/HP/etc. and Windows.
> 
> Bet that doesn't happen...

So now their own IT has to do what Dell and HP provided for free before.

Steve
0
steve13 (4870)
7/6/2008 4:21:59 AM
Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
>> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
> 
> What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild-Zeitung

Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in size. It is 
the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the seventh-largest 
circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, prominently 
displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich (independent, 
nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic and 
journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the UK - 
the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with which it 
shares a degree of rivalry

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/6/2008 4:24:32 AM
In article <wJ6dnfn0GsGd1O3VnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild-Zeitung
> 
> Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in size. It is 
> the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the seventh-largest 
> circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, prominently 
> displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich (independent, 
> nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic and 
> journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the UK - 
> the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with which it 
> shares a degree of rivalry

That's published by Axel Springer AG, a newspaper company started by 
Axel Springer in the 1940's.  Springer Verlag is a publisher of academic 
books and journals started in 1842 by Julius Springer.  Those two 
Springers, and those two companies, are unrelated.

Springer-Verlag was bought by a couple investment groups in 2003 and 
merged with a Dutch academic publisher those groups also bought.  They 
are the biggest publisher of science and medical books in the world 
(5500 new books a year), and second biggest publisher of journals (1900 
journals--number one publishes 2000 journals).


-- 
--Tim Smith
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reply_in_group (13194)
7/6/2008 6:02:53 AM
Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <wJ6dnfn0GsGd1O3VnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>> What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild-Zeitung
>>
>> Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in size. It is 
>> the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the seventh-largest 
>> circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, prominently 
>> displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich (independent, 
>> nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic and 
>> journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the UK - 
>> the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with which it 
>> shares a degree of rivalry
> 
> That's published by Axel Springer AG, a newspaper company started by 
> Axel Springer in the 1940's.  Springer Verlag is a publisher of academic 
> books and journals started in 1842 by Julius Springer.  Those two 
> Springers, and those two companies, are unrelated.
> 
> Springer-Verlag was bought by a couple investment groups in 2003 and 
> merged with a Dutch academic publisher those groups also bought.  They 
> are the biggest publisher of science and medical books in the world 
> (5500 new books a year), and second biggest publisher of journals (1900 
> journals--number one publishes 2000 journals).


Huh????

Both Bild and Die Welt are published by the company that is switching 
to Mac hardware.

I couldn't give a fuck  what the actual name of the company is.

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/6/2008 7:16:17 AM
Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <wJ6dnfn0GsGd1O3VnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>> What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild-Zeitung
>>
>> Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in size. It is 
>> the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the seventh-largest 
>> circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, prominently 
>> displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich (independent, 
>> nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic and 
>> journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the UK - 
>> the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with which it 
>> shares a degree of rivalry
> 
> That's published by Axel Springer AG, a newspaper company started by 
> Axel Springer in the 1940's.  Springer Verlag is a publisher of academic 
> books and journals started in 1842 by Julius Springer.  Those two 
> Springers, and those two companies, are unrelated.
> 
> Springer-Verlag was bought by a couple investment groups in 2003 and 
> merged with a Dutch academic publisher those groups also bought.  They 
> are the biggest publisher of science and medical books in the world 
> (5500 new books a year), and second biggest publisher of journals (1900 
> journals--number one publishes 2000 journals).
> 
> 

Verlag is german for "publisher" so its an easy mistake to make.  I 
think it is pointless to bring up the fact that that  actual company 
name publishes some other type of book.

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/6/2008 7:19:08 AM
Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <wJ6dnfn0GsGd1O3VnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>> What "National Enquirer"-type magazine does Springer Verlag publish?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild-Zeitung
>>
>> Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in size. It is 
>> the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the seventh-largest 
>> circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, prominently 
>> displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich (independent, 
>> nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic and 
>> journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the UK - 
>> the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with which it 
>> shares a degree of rivalry
> 
> That's published by Axel Springer AG, a newspaper company started by 
> Axel Springer in the 1940's.  Springer Verlag is a publisher of academic 
> books and journals started in 1842 by Julius Springer.  Those two 
> Springers, and those two companies, are unrelated.
> 
> Springer-Verlag was bought by a couple investment groups in 2003 and 
> merged with a Dutch academic publisher those groups also bought.  They 
> are the biggest publisher of science and medical books in the world 
> (5500 new books a year), and second biggest publisher of journals (1900 
> journals--number one publishes 2000 journals).

Since you started this....

"Axel Springer AG" used to be named "Axel Springer Verlag AG".

And "Springer-Verlag", as far as I can tell, doesn't exist by that 
name any more.  Its current name is  "Springer Science+Business Media":
http://www.springer-sbm.de/

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/6/2008 7:35:41 AM
In article <wJ6dnf70GsH11e3VnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Craig Koller wrote:
> > In article <0rqdnQoTRc80ffLVnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>
> >>> You ignorant fool. They aren't talking about Jerry Springer. They are
> >>> talking about a major publishing house, that publishes, for example,
> >>> Die Welt, one of the major German newspapers. And you said they don't
> >>> allow Macs in business. God, it must suck to be you, living with your
> >>> mama, and all that...
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>> Honolulu, HI
> >>
> >> So when Springer installs Windows Vista or Windows XP on some of these 
> >> new Macs, which they said they would, which vendor do they go to for 
> >> support?    If they had bought Dell or HP machines they would get OS 
> >> support for free for the life of the warranty, 3 or 4 years usually. 
> >>   Is Apple supporting machines with XP or Vista installed on them?
> >>
> >> Steve
> > 
> > I'd imagine they support the machines up to where MacOS interacts with 
> > the 3rd party software, whether that be MS, Adobe or anybody else. No 
> > doubt IT will have to resolve Windows problems with MS, Parallels/VMWare 
> > and Apple. 
> > 
> > But consider that they'll have a much smaller hardware/peripheral 
> > variable set to mess with. If their overall IT cost doesn't go down, 
> > that would be good reason to switch back to Dell/HP/etc. and Windows.
> > 
> > Bet that doesn't happen...
> 
> So now their own IT has to do what Dell and HP provided for free before.
> 

Bottom line - if it's a bigger hassle, they'll switch back. See you in 
3-5 years.
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cwkollertwo (395)
7/6/2008 6:45:00 PM
In article <25udnTfNwJdT6O3VnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> "Axel Springer AG" used to be named "Axel Springer Verlag AG".

That's this company:

   <http://www.axelspringer.de/englisch/unterneh/frame.htm>

It was started in 1946 by Hinrich Springer and his son Axel Springer.

> And "Springer-Verlag", as far as I can tell, doesn't exist by that 
> name any more.  Its current name is  "Springer Science+Business Media":
> http://www.springer-sbm.de/

And that is a completely different company, totally unrelated to Axel 
Springer AG.  Here's their timeline:

   <http://www.springer-sbm.de/index.php?id=199>

When people say "Springer Verlag", they are usually talking about 
"Springer-Verlag" (and people are going to keep calling them 
Springer-Verlag, despite the name change a few years ago, because pretty 
much every mathematician and computer scientist in the world, and nearly 
every scientific or technical library, has a whole bunch of their books 
from before the name change, with their distinctive logo and the words 
"Springer-Verlag" on them.  It's going to take many many years before 
popular usage adopts the new name).

Hence, when you said "Springer Verlag" published a tabloid newspaper, I 
was curious what paper that was, as it seemed out of place for what I'd 
expect from Springer-Verlag.

I don't know which of these two Springers have switched to Macs.

-- 
--Tim Smith
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reply_in_group (13194)
7/6/2008 9:28:39 PM
In article <reply_in_group-8511BC.14283906072008@news.supernews.com>,
 Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> I don't know which of these two Springers have switched to Macs.

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/07/04/axel-springer-ag-moves-to-mac/
"Axel Springer owns Bild and Bild am Sonntag, tabloid-style dailies (not 
unlike The Sun in the UK or the New York Post in the U.S.) and several 
magazines sold under the Bild brand. The company currently uses 
large-scale publishing solutions from WoodWing Software and CCI, both of 
which support Mac clients. "

Here's the original article: 
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Axel-Springer-Verlag-stellt-komplett-auf-A
pple-Rechner-um--/meldung/110435

It refers to http://www.springer-verlag.de/
http://www.springer-verlag.de/inhalte/investor/frame.htm
lists all kinds of stuff about Axel Springer AG

Springer Verlag is the same company as Axel Springer AG.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." �Chris L. 
0
7/6/2008 11:42:55 PM
In article 
<timberwoof.spam-B63545.16425506072008@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
 Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
> It refers to http://www.springer-verlag.de/
> http://www.springer-verlag.de/inhalte/investor/frame.htm
> lists all kinds of stuff about Axel Springer AG

Verlag means "publisher".  Axel Springer AG is not the same as the 
company that was once called Springer-Verlag, and is now called Springer 
Science Business Media.  Here's the history of the later company:

   <http://www.springer-sbm.com/index.php?id=199>

-- 
--Tim Smith
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reply_in_group (13194)
7/7/2008 3:58:58 AM
In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Mike wrote:
> > In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Mike wrote:
> >>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From the article:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> >>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>>>>>> past
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
> >>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >>>>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
> >>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
> >>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> >>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> >>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
> >>>>> farm with Windows.
> >>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> >>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> >>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> >>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> >>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
> >>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
> >>> tools they work with.
> >>>
> >>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
> >>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
> >>> ing to think you like drab, period.
> >> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
> >> producing programs, etc. 
> > 
> > Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
> > a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
> > content available. 
> 
> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?

No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're 
a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose 
what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand 
is a different bailiwick. 

Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not 
writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott 
and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home 
Companion" which is creative content script writing.

Those are the kind of things you did, eh?

> 
> 
> > IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
> > weren't. 
> 
> >> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
> >> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
> >> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
> > 
> > The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 
> > 
> > IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
> > such things. 
> 
> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".

You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer 
with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.

> 
> Steve
-- 
Mike
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mike139 (842)
7/8/2008 2:37:06 AM
Mike wrote:
> In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike wrote:
>>> In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the article:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
>>>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
>>>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on 
>>>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
>>>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
>>>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a publishing 
>>>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an industry 
>>>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
>>>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
>>>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab cube 
>>>>>>> farm with Windows.
>>>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
>>>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
>>>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
>>>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
>>>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
>>>>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
>>>>> tools they work with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
>>>>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
>>>>> ing to think you like drab, period.
>>>> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
>>>> producing programs, etc. 
>>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
>>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
>>> content available. 
>> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
>> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
>> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
>> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
> 
> No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're 
> a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose 
> what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand 
> is a different bailiwick. 

This was classical music and there most certainly was creativity.


> Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not 
> writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott 
> and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home 
> Companion" which is creative content script writing.
> 
> Those are the kind of things you did, eh?

Never did newscasts.

>>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
>>> weren't. 
>>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
>>>> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
>>>> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer lighting.
>>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 
>>>
>>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
>>> such things. 
>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
>> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
> 
> You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer 
> with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.

Look again?  For what?

>> Steve

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/8/2008 2:47:25 AM
In article <iLGdne_FXeSgSO_VnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Mike wrote:
> > In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Mike wrote:
> >>> In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mike wrote:
> >>>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From the article:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner 
> >>>>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in 
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> past
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP 
> >>>>>>>> on 
> >>>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >>>>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >>>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a 
> >>>>>>> publishing 
> >>>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an 
> >>>>>>> industry 
> >>>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> >>>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> >>>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab 
> >>>>>>> cube 
> >>>>>>> farm with Windows.
> >>>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> >>>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> >>>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> >>>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> >>>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steve
> >>>>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
> >>>>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
> >>>>> tools they work with.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
> >>>>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
> >>>>> ing to think you like drab, period.
> >>>> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
> >>>> producing programs, etc. 
> >>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
> >>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
> >>> content available. 
> >> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
> >> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
> >> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
> >> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
> > 
> > No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're 
> > a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose 
> > what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand 
> > is a different bailiwick. 
> 
> This was classical music and there most certainly was creativity.

Not really. Picking which music to play doesn't *create* much.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 
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alangbaker (17682)
7/8/2008 3:22:21 AM
In article <iLGdne_FXeSgSO_VnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Mike wrote:
> > In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Mike wrote:
> >>> In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mike wrote:
> >>>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From the article:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner 
> >>>>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in 
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> past
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP 
> >>>>>>>> on 
> >>>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >>>>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >>>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a 
> >>>>>>> publishing 
> >>>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an 
> >>>>>>> industry 
> >>>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
> >>>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> >>>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab 
> >>>>>>> cube 
> >>>>>>> farm with Windows.
> >>>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> >>>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> >>>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> >>>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
> >>>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steve
> >>>>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
> >>>>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
> >>>>> tools they work with.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
> >>>>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
> >>>>> ing to think you like drab, period.
> >>>> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
> >>>> producing programs, etc. 
> >>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
> >>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
> >>> content available. 
> >> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
> >> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
> >> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
> >> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
> > 
> > No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're 
> > a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose 
> > what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand 
> > is a different bailiwick. 
> 
> This was classical music and there most certainly was creativity.

Baloney. It requires a knowledge of the music, not creativity since 
you're not interpreting the music. 

If you think what you did was creative, you've set your own bar 
artificially low to make yourself feel good.

> 
> 
> > Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not 
> > writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott 
> > and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home 
> > Companion" which is creative content script writing.
> > 
> > Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
> 
> Never did newscasts.

Then what did you write "scripts" for? 

> 
> >>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
> >>> weren't. 
> >>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
> >>>> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
> >>>> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer 
> >>>> lighting.
> >>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 
> >>>
> >>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
> >>> such things. 
> >> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
> >> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
> >> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
> > 
> > You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer 
> > with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
> 
> Look again?  For what?

What they really publish.
> 
> >> Steve
> 
> Steve
-- 
Mike
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mike139 (842)
7/8/2008 4:40:17 AM
Mike, ye lean-witted Mars of malcontents, what's the matter you
dissentious rogue that, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make
yourself a scab?, ye clucked:

> IN ARTICL3 <ILGDN3_FX3SGSO_VNZ2DNUVZ_G-DNZ2D@GIGAN3WS WTF.......COM>,
> STEVE D3 M3NA <STEVE@STEV3D3M3NA.........COM> WROTE:

> BALON3Y OMG.... IT REQUIERS A KNOWL3DG3 OF TEH MUSIC, NOT CR3TIVITY
> SINC3 UR NOT INTERPRETNG T3H MUSIC........

> IF YOU THINK WUT YOU DID WAS CR3TI3V, YOU'VE SET UR OWN BAR
> ARTIFICIALY LOW TO MAKE URS3LF FEL GUD WTF....

> T3HN WUT DID YOU WRI3T "SCRIPTS" FOR WTF?!!?????

> WUT TEHY RILY PUBLISH.........

> -- MIEK


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mike5069 (5)
7/8/2008 4:42:44 AM
"Mike" <mike@nononccfaba.orgy> wrote in message 
news:7yi6p0$wmx$i@rec.photo.breast.cancer.co.montenegro...
> Mike, ye lean-witted Mars of malcontents, what's the matter you
> dissentious rogue that, rubbing the poor itch of your opinion, make
> yourself a scab?, ye clucked:
>
Art Deco wants to Suck your Dick!

HJ 


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honestjohn (2628)
7/8/2008 5:04:21 AM
Mike wrote:
> In article <iLGdne_FXeSgSO_VnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike wrote:
>>> In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>> In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From the article:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner 
>>>>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>>>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
>>>>>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP 
>>>>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
>>>>>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
>>>>>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a 
>>>>>>>>> publishing 
>>>>>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an 
>>>>>>>>> industry 
>>>>>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of imaginative, 
>>>>>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
>>>>>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab 
>>>>>>>>> cube 
>>>>>>>>> farm with Windows.
>>>>>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
>>>>>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
>>>>>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
>>>>>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in routine 
>>>>>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
>>>>>>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
>>>>>>> tools they work with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
>>>>>>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
>>>>>>> ing to think you like drab, period.
>>>>>> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
>>>>>> producing programs, etc. 
>>>>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
>>>>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
>>>>> content available. 
>>>> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
>>>> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
>>>> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
>>>> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
>>> No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're 
>>> a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose 
>>> what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand 
>>> is a different bailiwick. 
>> This was classical music and there most certainly was creativity.
> 
> Baloney. It requires a knowledge of the music, not creativity since 
> you're not interpreting the music. 
> 
> If you think what you did was creative, you've set your own bar 
> artificially low to make yourself feel good.

Nope.  It just shows how little you know about the subject.

>>> Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not 
>>> writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott 
>>> and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home 
>>> Companion" which is creative content script writing.
>>>
>>> Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
>> Never did newscasts.
> 
> Then what did you write "scripts" for? 
> 
>>>>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
>>>>> weren't. 
>>>>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
>>>>>> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
>>>>>> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer 
>>>>>> lighting.
>>>>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
>>>>> such things. 
>>>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
>>>> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
>>>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
>>> You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer 
>>> with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
>> Look again?  For what?
> 
> What they really publish.

How about the largest newspaper in Europe, "Bild", a tabloid in the 
manner of The Sun in the UK or The New York Post.   In other words, trash.

"The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German 
newspaper published by Axel Springer AG. The paper is published from 
Monday to Saturday, while on Sundays, Bild am Sonntag (lit. Picture on 
Sunday) is published instead, which has a different style and its own 
editors. Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in 
size. It is the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the 
seventh-largest circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, 
prominently displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich 
(independent, nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic 
and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the 
UK - the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with 
which it shares a degree of rivalry[1][2][3]

Bild was founded by Axel Springer in 1952 for people with poor reading 
skills and a weak educational background.[citation needed] It mostly 
consisted of pictures (therefore the name BILD, German for picture). 
Bild soon became the best-selling newspaper, by a wide margin, not 
only in Germany, but in all of Europe, though essentially to German 
readers.

Die Welt is the flagship newspaper of the Axel Springer publishing 
group. Its leading competitors are the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 
the S�ddeutsche Zeitung and the Frankfurter Rundschau.  *Financially, 
it has been a lossmaker for many years.*

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/8/2008 7:02:59 AM
In article <IYidnbzkH8O0jO7VnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Mike wrote:
> > In article <iLGdne_FXeSgSO_VnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Mike wrote:
> >>> In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mike wrote:
> >>>>> In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From the article:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner 
> >>>>>>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>>>>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>>>>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in 
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> past
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>>>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
> >>>>>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP 
> >>>>>>>>>> on 
> >>>>>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS 
> >>>>>>>>>> to 
> >>>>>>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's 
> >>>>>>>>>> not 
> >>>>>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
> >>>>>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a 
> >>>>>>>>> publishing 
> >>>>>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an 
> >>>>>>>>> industry 
> >>>>>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of 
> >>>>>>>>> imaginative, 
> >>>>>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
> >>>>>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab 
> >>>>>>>>> cube 
> >>>>>>>>> farm with Windows.
> >>>>>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
> >>>>>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
> >>>>>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
> >>>>>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in 
> >>>>>>>> routine 
> >>>>>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Steve
> >>>>>>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
> >>>>>>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
> >>>>>>> tools they work with.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
> >>>>>>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
> >>>>>>> ing to think you like drab, period.
> >>>>>> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
> >>>>>> producing programs, etc. 
> >>>>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
> >>>>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
> >>>>> content available. 
> >>>> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
> >>>> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
> >>>> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
> >>>> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
> >>> No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're 
> >>> a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose 
> >>> what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand 
> >>> is a different bailiwick. 
> >> This was classical music and there most certainly was creativity.
> > 
> > Baloney. It requires a knowledge of the music, not creativity since 
> > you're not interpreting the music. 
> > 
> > If you think what you did was creative, you've set your own bar 
> > artificially low to make yourself feel good.
> 
> Nope.  It just shows how little you know about the subject.

Lets see, I worked in same building as radio station in college with a 
buddy who worked there and was often around the station and saw what 
went on, but that doesn't count much.
Second, I've had a buddy who works at a major FM station in the midwest 
and I've performed on said station(you know creating content)
Third, I was on a major market AM station invited by the host to talk 
about Macs and spent considerable time with his producer so I guess I 
don't have a clue as to what goes on at a radio station Steve, no clue 
at all.

> 
> >>> Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not 
> >>> writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott 
> >>> and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home 
> >>> Companion" which is creative content script writing.
> >>>
> >>> Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
> >> Never did newscasts.
> > 
> > Then what did you write "scripts" for? 
> > 
> >>>>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
> >>>>> weren't. 
> >>>>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
> >>>>>> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
> >>>>>> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer 
> >>>>>> lighting.
> >>>>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
> >>>>> such things. 
> >>>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
> >>>> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
> >>>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
> >>> You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer 
> >>> with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
> >> Look again?  For what?
> > 
> > What they really publish.
> 
> How about the largest newspaper in Europe, "Bild", a tabloid in the 
> manner of The Sun in the UK or The New York Post.   In other words, trash.

Your opinion of course. How could we ever distrust that, right? Don't 
forget it doesn't take 10,000 to publish one paper.

What about the other things they publish?

> 
> "The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German 
> newspaper published by Axel Springer AG. The paper is published from 
> Monday to Saturday, while on Sundays, Bild am Sonntag (lit. Picture on 
> Sunday) is published instead, which has a different style and its own 
> editors. Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in 
> size. It is the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the 
> seventh-largest circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, 
> prominently displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich 
> (independent, nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic 
> and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the 
> UK - the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with 
> which it shares a degree of rivalry[1][2][3]
> 
> Bild was founded by Axel Springer in 1952 for people with poor reading 
> skills and a weak educational background.[citation needed] It mostly 
> consisted of pictures (therefore the name BILD, German for picture). 
> Bild soon became the best-selling newspaper, by a wide margin, not 
> only in Germany, but in all of Europe, though essentially to German 
> readers.
> 
> Die Welt is the flagship newspaper of the Axel Springer publishing 
> group. Its leading competitors are the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 
> the S�ddeutsche Zeitung and the Frankfurter Rundschau.  *Financially, 
> it has been a lossmaker for many years.*
> 
> Steve
-- 
Mike
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mike139 (842)
7/8/2008 2:23:22 PM
Mike wrote:
> In article <IYidnbzkH8O0jO7VnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike wrote:
>>> In article <iLGdne_FXeSgSO_VnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>> In article <l7Odnd_XyI_UJvLVnZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <2uydnQMfRK_ovvLVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <a-SdnWr5qaZ_WfPVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <baidnd-wU5XcKPPVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>  Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI
>>>>>>>>>>>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>>>>>>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the CEO of my company.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, I'm glad I'm not working for your. Springer Verlag is a 
>>>>>>>>>>> publishing 
>>>>>>>>>>> company. That means they make books and magazines. That is an 
>>>>>>>>>>> industry 
>>>>>>>>>>> in which elegance should be valued. If I had a staff of 
>>>>>>>>>>> imaginative, 
>>>>>>>>>>> creative people, I'd rather inspire them with an elegant work 
>>>>>>>>>>> environment, including their computers, than pen them up in a drab 
>>>>>>>>>>> cube 
>>>>>>>>>>> farm with Windows.
>>>>>>>>>> They're going to be using Windows too.  Just on Macs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see the business justification spending more on tools 
>>>>>>>>>> (computer hardware) just because of their looks.  I wonder what 
>>>>>>>>>> percentage of their employees are actually involved in the 
>>>>>>>>>> "imaginative, creative" stuff you imagine, and how many are in 
>>>>>>>>>> routine 
>>>>>>>>>> HR, finance, IT, Sales/Distribution, types of jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>> I suppose one might just say from your comments you're just not a 
>>>>>>>>> "creative type" who appreciates the work environment as well as the 
>>>>>>>>> tools they work with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you ever been around "creatives" in the process of their work to 
>>>>>>>>> see how "ideas", the guts of an ad, layout come together? I'd be will 
>>>>>>>>> ing to think you like drab, period.
>>>>>>>> I worked for years in a radio station, choosing the music played, 
>>>>>>>> producing programs, etc. 
>>>>>>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
>>>>>>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
>>>>>>> content available. 
>>>>>> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
>>>>>> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
>>>>>> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
>>>>>> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
>>>>> No Steve, you're not a "content creator" but a content player and you're 
>>>>> a programmer. More a math guy than a creative. Lots of folks can choose 
>>>>> what is good music to play or listen to, creating it on the other hand 
>>>>> is a different bailiwick. 
>>>> This was classical music and there most certainly was creativity.
>>> Baloney. It requires a knowledge of the music, not creativity since 
>>> you're not interpreting the music. 
>>>
>>> If you think what you did was creative, you've set your own bar 
>>> artificially low to make yourself feel good.
>> Nope.  It just shows how little you know about the subject.
> 
> Lets see, I worked in same building as radio station in college with a 
> buddy who worked there and was often around the station and saw what 
> went on, but that doesn't count much.
> Second, I've had a buddy who works at a major FM station in the midwest 
> and I've performed on said station(you know creating content)
> Third, I was on a major market AM station invited by the host to talk 
> about Macs and spent considerable time with his producer so I guess I 
> don't have a clue as to what goes on at a radio station Steve, no clue 
> at all.

No clue programming classical music.  How does talking about Macs on 
the radio give you experience in that area?  LOL.

> 
>>>>> Writing scripts, loosely is creative, but I'd bet it was newscasts, not 
>>>>> writing a piece like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" or perhaps Abbott 
>>>>> and Costello's "Who's on First" and then there is todays "Prairie Home 
>>>>> Companion" which is creative content script writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are the kind of things you did, eh?
>>>> Never did newscasts.
>>> Then what did you write "scripts" for? 
>>>
>>>>>>> IF you were creating content, that would be a different story, but you 
>>>>>>> weren't. 
>>>>>>>> We certainly didn't pick tools we used for 
>>>>>>>> how they looked or felt.   A work computer is just a tool that sits on 
>>>>>>>> their desk.  I'd rather have a more comfortable chair, or nicer 
>>>>>>>> lighting.
>>>>>>> The chair and/or lighting come after the tools. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IOW, thanks for admitting you're not a "creative type" who appreciates 
>>>>>>> such things. 
>>>>>> Springer Verlag, et al, are *businesses* where the goal is to make the 
>>>>>> most money possible for their shareholders.  And I'd hardly consider 
>>>>>> their tabloid "National Enquirer"-type magazine that "elegant".
>>>>> You'd better look again if you think they do something like the enquirer 
>>>>> with 10,000 employees who will be converting to Macs for their work.
>>>> Look again?  For what?
>>> What they really publish.
>> How about the largest newspaper in Europe, "Bild", a tabloid in the 
>> manner of The Sun in the UK or The New York Post.   In other words, trash.
> 
> Your opinion of course. How could we ever distrust that, right? Don't 
> forget it doesn't take 10,000 to publish one paper.
> 
> What about the other things they publish?

Not my opinion.  I haven't ever read Bild.


>> "The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German 
>> newspaper published by Axel Springer AG. The paper is published from 
>> Monday to Saturday, while on Sundays, Bild am Sonntag (lit. Picture on 
>> Sunday) is published instead, which has a different style and its own 
>> editors. Bild is tabloid in style, although actually broadsheet in 
>> size. It is the best-selling newspaper in Europe and has the 
>> seventh-largest circulation worldwide.[citation needed] Its motto, 
>> prominently displayed below the logo, is unabh�ngig, �berparteilich 
>> (independent, nonpartisan). Bild's nearest English-language stylistic 
>> and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be The Sun in the 
>> UK - the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper - with 
>> which it shares a degree of rivalry[1][2][3]
>>
>> Bild was founded by Axel Springer in 1952 for people with poor reading 
>> skills and a weak educational background.[citation needed] It mostly 
>> consisted of pictures (therefore the name BILD, German for picture). 
>> Bild soon became the best-selling newspaper, by a wide margin, not 
>> only in Germany, but in all of Europe, though essentially to German 
>> readers.
>>
>> Die Welt is the flagship newspaper of the Axel Springer publishing 
>> group. Its leading competitors are the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 
>> the S�ddeutsche Zeitung and the Frankfurter Rundschau.  *Financially, 
>> it has been a lossmaker for many years.*
>>
>> Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/8/2008 4:21:55 PM
Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> 
> From the article:
> 
> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> four reasons for the change:
> 
> Most of the company�s layout work was already being done on Macs
> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> past
> --
> Dave Fritzinger
> Honolulu, HI

I wonder if their photography and graphics department needs built in
card readers.
I mean, any PC without a built in card reader is utter shit and should
be recycled.
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justin53 (598)
7/8/2008 8:22:40 PM
Dave Fritzinger <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> 
> From the article:
> 
> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> four reasons for the change:
> 
> Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> past

Springer Publishing?

These guys are real heavyweights in the scientific literature.

-- 
- Peter *** http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain
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noway9285 (35)
7/8/2008 8:52:44 PM
Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> > Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> > 
> > From the article:
> > 
> > In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> > four reasons for the change:
> > 
> > Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > past
> > --
> > Dave Fritzinger
> > Honolulu, HI
> 
> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> support.
> 
> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> the CEO of my company.

I don't suppose you considered that "elegant" can refer to more than
just looks, did you?

-- 
- Peter *** http://titancity.com/blog/
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first." - Mark Twain
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noway9285 (35)
7/8/2008 8:52:44 PM
PeterBP wrote:
> Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
>>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
>>>
>>> From the article:
>>>
>>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
>>> four reasons for the change:
>>>
>>> Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
>>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
>>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
>>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
>>> past
>>> --
>>> Dave Fritzinger
>>> Honolulu, HI
>> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
>> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
>> support.
>>
>> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
>> the CEO of my company.
> 
> I don't suppose you considered that "elegant" can refer to more than
> just looks, did you?

Nope.

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/8/2008 9:08:02 PM
In article <1ijs7i5.1q9bon01wenu8mN%noway@jose.com>,
 noway@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:
> > Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > past
> 
> Springer Publishing?
> 
> These guys are real heavyweights in the scientific literature.

Different Springer.


-- 
--Tim Smith
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reply_in_group (13194)
7/9/2008 12:16:54 AM
In article <reply_in_group-43BD3C.17165408072008@news.supernews.com>,
 Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> In article <1ijs7i5.1q9bon01wenu8mN%noway@jose.com>,
>  noway@jose.com (PeterBP) wrote:
> > > Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> > > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > > past
> > 
> > Springer Publishing?
> > 
> > These guys are real heavyweights in the scientific literature.
> 
> Different Springer.

How many Springers are there? Could you provide web site URLs for them?

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." �Chris L. 
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7/9/2008 1:35:29 AM
In article <coidnZEG-fevSu7VnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> PeterBP wrote:
> > Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Dave Fritzinger wrote:
> >>> Here's a bit of Mac advocacy for the US Independence Day.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/68ajad
> >>>
> >>> From the article:
> >>>
> >>> In a YouTube video, posted below the fold, CEO Mathias D�pfner lists
> >>> four reasons for the change:
> >>>
> >>> Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> >>> Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> >>> Apple creates the most elegant computers
> >>> Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> >>> past
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Fritzinger
> >>> Honolulu, HI
> >> It also said they'll be running OS X, Windows Vista and Windows XP on
> >> these machines, so basically they have just added an additonal OS to 
> >> support.
> >>
> >> "Apple creates the most elegant computers".  Wow, I'm glad he's not 
> >> the CEO of my company.
> > 
> > I don't suppose you considered that "elegant" can refer to more than
> > just looks, did you?
> 
> Nope.
> 
> Steve

Yeah, but then you think that programming classical music counts as 
"creative".

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 
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alangbaker (17682)
7/9/2008 5:26:41 AM
In article 
<timberwoof.spam-EBAA76.18352908072008@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
 Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
> > > > Most of the company's layout work was already being done on Macs
> > > > Macs are more user friendly than other computers
> > > > Apple creates the most elegant computers
> > > > Macs are cheaper to buy and easier to maintain than they were in the
> > > > past
> > > 
> > > Springer Publishing?
> > > 
> > > These guys are real heavyweights in the scientific literature.
> > 
> > Different Springer.
> 
> How many Springers are there? Could you provide web site URLs for them?

In this thread, there are two Springers that have been mentioned.

The oldest is this company:

   <http://www.springer-sbm.com/index.php?id=199&L=0>

Founded in 1842 by Julius Springer, and known for most of its history as 
"Springer-Verlag".  Bought early this century by an investment group and 
merged with another Dutch technical book publisher, and renamed 
"Springer Science+Business Media".

This Springer is the largest publisher of science and medical books in 
the world, and the second largest publisher of science and medical 
journals.  

The other Springer is the one that is switching to Macs:

   <http://www.axelspringer.com/englisch/unterneh/frame.htm>

They were established in 1946 by Axel Springer, and are a major 
publisher of newspapers and magazines.


-- 
--Tim Smith
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reply_in_group (13194)
7/9/2008 5:02:47 PM
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:19:51 -0400, Steve de Mena wrote:
>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
>> content available. 
> 
> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?

You used as much creativity doing that as I did making a clay cup in fourth 
grade. The database writing is a bit creative, but ....

I played in bands for 20 years (even played with  Ed Shaughnessy Tonight Show 
band)and help do some arranging ... but I wouldn't call it all that creative.

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no-spam2 (6831)
7/16/2008 11:38:22 AM
In article <i3lfk.2150$t32.407@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
 Tim Murray <no-spam@thankyou.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:19:51 -0400, Steve de Mena wrote:
> >> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
> >> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
> >> content available. 
> > 
> > We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
> > programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
> > consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
> > or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
> 
> You used as much creativity doing that as I did making a clay cup in fourth 
> grade. The database writing is a bit creative, but ....

LOL! That's cold;) I'd say writing scripts/press releases is a creative process.


> I played in bands for 20 years (even played with  Ed Shaughnessy Tonight Show 
> band)and help do some arranging ... but I wouldn't call it all that creative.

I think arranging is, or can be, very creative... I view playing the same way (I 
play blues/jazz/rock/fusion guitar).

-- 
"Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is 
clearly disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much 
just throw it away". - Snit
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trollkiller (3346)
7/16/2008 12:50:34 PM
Tim Murray wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:19:51 -0400, Steve de Mena wrote:
>>> Steve, that's not what is considered "creative" work and you don't need 
>>> a computer to do it either, other than to keep a file list of the 
>>> content available. 
>> We cataloged all our recordings on the computer and did all our music 
>> programming with a computer database program I wrote.  You don't 
>> consider choosing the music that is played on the air "creative" work, 
>> or "content"?    Plus writing all on-air scripts, press releases, etc?
> 
> You used as much creativity doing that as I did making a clay cup in fourth 
> grade. The database writing is a bit creative, but ....
> 
> I played in bands for 20 years (even played with  Ed Shaughnessy Tonight Show 
> band)and help do some arranging ... but I wouldn't call it all that creative.

So, as I said above, You don't consider choosing the music that is 
played on the air "creative" work?  There is a certain flow you should 
try to maintain when programming let's say an 8 hour block of 
classical music.  So that works don't clash, balancing the familiar 
with the not-so-familiar.    Or choosing works to fit a partcular 
theme, yet being an interesting combination in their own right.  Oh 
well....

I think band arranging is creative, especially if there were some 
variations to the arrangements.

Steve
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steve13 (4870)
7/16/2008 10:16:23 PM
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http://tragicallyunhip.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/macs-and-mac-users-a-rant/ Macs and Mac Users. A Rant. March 26, 2008 tragicallyunhip Yanno. for years we've had to listen to Mac users go on and on and ON in the superior tone about how great Macs are and about how they just never break. Well, let me tell you, I have spent enough years in IT to know they do. A LOT. My last job was at a company whose graphics department was, as you might expect, Mac-based. And I spent just as much time down there working on them as I did ANY PC. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. What about the whole Mav VS PC thing? What about those annoying "I'm a Mac" ads? I tell you, I want to get that obnoxious Mac guy and bash his face in with a $*^&ing hammer! Why do Mac feel the need to slag off PCs just to advertise their own product? Have they got nothing to say about their own hardware and software that speaks for itself? Does everything have to be based on this ridiculous childish anti-PC thing? Yanno what Mac? NOBODY GIVES A SHIT! Get over yourselves. Advertise your product based on its own (limited) merits. Christ, even entering the network properties of a Mac OS to see the PCs you're connected to in your network, the icon for the PCs is a crappy looking old beige monitor with a BSOD error on it! I mean, GROW UP! Nobody wants to know. And speaking of BSOD, I have one word Mac: LEOPARD! Code name Train Wreck! Oh and that reminds me; Mac works w...

Mac and non Mac Partition
Hello, I want to use my mac to copy some files to mp3 players or other portable stup. The problem for instance in a Fat16 partion the mac write some "._blahblah" files. And some player doesn't like these file and get frozen. I have to plug the player (or it's memory card) to a Pc, the remove these file in order to make it working. Is there a way to avoid this ? Thanks John In article <4a4cc7f2$0$12658$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, John <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I want to use my mac to copy some files to mp3 players or other portable ...

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