Hi,
I have been doing a website for a friend - I'm just an amateur, and do
web design as a hobby. I have spent ages on this website, but I use a
windows platform and have no idea how it will look on  mac. So, I have
a very takey question - please, if you are using a macintosh computer,
I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
it displays. The website shows pictures of sculptures and drawings as
well as some essays about other artists.
I would be really grateful!

http://www.3ene.com

Thanks,
Mary

PS And if you have any questions about casting sculptures, come and ask
me in the alt.sculpture forum!

In article <1104231495.701487.123950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Mary  England <mary.england@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, I have
> a very takey question - please, if you are using a macintosh computer,
> I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> it displays. The website shows pictures of sculptures and drawings as
> well as some essays about other artists.

Site looks very nice, with no problems on a Mac at all.  I would
suggest taking "Chicago" out of your font list on each page, though, as
that's a REALLY bad font to use as body text on a web page.  Other than
that, it looks great and loads fast.  Nice work!

If you'd like to see what Chicago looks like, I took a screen-shot for
you to see.  You can view it here:

http://www.garnermiller.com/chicago.jpg

I made it a little grainy (didn't want it too huge for you to
download), but it'll give you a good enough idea.

Hope that helps!

-- 
Garner R. Miller
Clifton Park, NY =USA=

Thanks Garner - your screen shot was really useful!!
Have a good new year - thanks again.
Mary

In article <1104231495.701487.123950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Mary  England <mary.england@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have been doing a website for a friend - I'm just an amateur, and do
> web design as a hobby. I have spent ages on this website, but I use a
> windows platform and have no idea how it will look on  mac. So, I have
> a very takey question - please, if you are using a macintosh computer,
> I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> it displays. The website shows pictures of sculptures and drawings as
> well as some essays about other artists.
> I would be really grateful!
> 
> http://www.3ene.com
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
> 
> PS And if you have any questions about casting sculptures, come and ask
> me in the alt.sculpture forum!
> 

Hi Mary, it all seems to work fine, and I've taken a couple of
screenshots, browsing with the OSX browser Safari. If you like I can
mail them to you. Is that a genuine addy?

My only thought concerns text size (as in size=n) which displays
differently from one OS to another.  Pardon me, for this is not my area
of expertise, so here's a link to what I'm talking about:

http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/98/35/index2a_page3.html?tw=authori
ng

It only seemed a concern in the essay section, where I felt I wanted to
have more text in front of me at a time (and not make it seem like the
'big-print' version). If it helps, I'm on a 15" monitor viewing at 823
x 624.

My only other reflection (and this may be more subjective than you'd
intended) is that when clicking on a work to see it bigger, I'd have
preferred it if it had (just for that moment) 'escaped' the frames of
the design - frames which otherwise make for a beautifully unified
site. Just a thought, but aren't those things more sensual when they're
out of the box and you can 'hold' them?

Anyway, I enjoyed my visit. Let me know if you want those screenshots
(as jpgs); I don't want to gum up your mailbox without being asked to!

Nikita Lvov

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:58:15 +0100, Mary  England wrote
(in article <1104231495.701487.123950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

> Hi,
> I have been doing a website for a friend - I'm just an amateur, and do
> web design as a hobby. I have spent ages on this website, but I use a
> windows platform and have no idea how it will look on  mac. So, I have
> a very takey question - please, if you are using a macintosh computer,
> I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> it displays. The website shows pictures of sculptures and drawings as
> well as some essays about other artists.
> I would be really grateful!
> 
> http://www.3ene.com
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
> 
> PS And if you have any questions about casting sculptures, come and ask
> me in the alt.sculpture forum!
> 

seems to work ok pic open up on a new page in safari

> > Hi,
> > I have been doing a website for a friend - I'm just an amateur, and do
> > web design as a hobby. I have spent ages on this website, but I use a
> > windows platform and have no idea how it will look on  mac. So, I have
> > a very takey question - please, if you are using a macintosh computer,
> > I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> > it displays. The website shows pictures of sculptures and drawings as
> > well as some essays about other artists.
> > I would be really grateful!
> > 
> > http://www.3ene.com
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Mary
> > 
> > PS And if you have any questions about casting sculptures, come and ask
> > me in the alt.sculpture forum!

Hi Mary,

Your friend really needs to have the German page rewritten by a German
native speaker. It is mostly understandable, but the German is not very
good.

Dave
-- 
There's a fine line between stupid and clever.

In article <1104231495.701487.123950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
 "Mary  England" <mary.england@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> it displays.

While the site displays fine in Macintosh Safari 1.2.4, I'd have to 
suggest that it would be worthwhile to check the pages using 
http://validator.w3.org for compliance with web standards.

While compliance with standards is not a guarantee that all browsers 
will render a page nicely, it certainly puts the designer in a good 
position to ask whether the problem might not be in the browser rather 
than in the page.

The home page, for example, did not have a character encoding line such 
as 
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> 
(or whatever is appropriate for the character set you prefer) in the 
<head> area.  As more non-English users appear on the net, it becomes 
more important to specify the language to be used (although browsers at 
the moment default to English).

-- 
http://www.ericlindsay.com

In article <1104231495.701487.123950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
 "Mary  England" <mary.england@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> it displays.

On your web page http://www.3ene.com/projects/favicons.htm when you use 
Macintosh Safari browser it displays a line "You use Netscape = This 
doesn't work."  The Javascript test you are using on that page checks 
only for browsers identifying themselves as MSIE.  Perhaps a more 
sophisticated test?  Especially since current versions of Netscape are 
probably more capable than MSIE.

If I have Safari claim to be MSIE, I get the line "Add this page to your 
favorites ", which makes little sense in the Macintosh context.

Personally I really hate the idea of web sites attempting to identify 
browsers.  Safari can (via the undocumented and normally invisible Debug 
menu) pretend to be several varieties of browser, however its normal 
mode is to attempt to be whatever type of browser the site appears to be 
seeking.  Opera provides a range of browser agent identities by default.  
This sort of identify arms race helps no-one.

-- 
http://www.ericlindsay.com

Wouldn't this line do the same thing?
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252"> 
Thanks for your help, Mary

In article <1104317807.869436.186850@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
 "Mary  England" <mary.england@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't this line do the same thing?
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> charset=windows-1252"> 

Hi Mary,

While that does list the charset, and thus provides the formal 
requirement, it also implies that you may use some characters that 
extend the Windows character set beyond the more general encoding I 
suggested.

There is a discussion of why this might not be the friendliest action 
for non-Windows users at 
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/windows-chars.html

Basically, some users may then not be able to read what you attempt to 
send them.

-- 
http://www.ericlindsay.com

Mary  England <mary.england@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have been doing a website for a friend - I'm just an amateur, and do
> web design as a hobby. I have spent ages on this website, but I use a
> windows platform and have no idea how it will look on  mac. So, I have
> a very takey question - please, if you are using a macintosh computer,
> I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> it displays. The website shows pictures of sculptures and drawings as
> well as some essays about other artists.
> I would be really grateful!
> 
> http://www.3ene.com
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
Dear Mary,

Looks good on my mac, suing either Safari, Firefox, IE (slowest) and
Opera.

Ian Bowns.

In article <1gpih69.1lrouz5nvweeN%irb@wellcool.demon.co.uk>, Ian Bowns
<irb@wellcool.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Looks good on my mac, suing either Safari, Firefox, IE (slowest) and
> Opera.

Ah, don't sue.  Save money and write a nasty letter.

-- 
You only need one thing to make it in Hollywood; sincerity.  Once you can fake
that you've got it made.
 -- George Burns

Entity Eric Lindsay spoke thus:

>> charset=windows-1252">
Oops, that is a mistake, you are better off using an encoding standard such
as:
charset=ISO-8859-1"
  
> While that does list the charset, and thus provides the formal
> requirement, it also implies that you may use some characters that
> extend the Windows character set beyond the more general encoding I
> suggested.
> 
> There is a discussion of why this might not be the friendliest action
> for non-Windows users at
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/windows-chars.html
> 
> Basically, some users may then not be able to read what you attempt to
> send them.
Anything Jukka Korpela says can't be taken seriously, since he is an
adherent to the extreme protocol-oriented philosophy.

The OP should instead use Special Character codes, as I've shown here:
Special Characters-ISO Entities
 http://Gnarlodious.com/Apple/HTML/SpecialCharacters.html

The page shows the literal rendering of the character and the encoded
rendering, for your reference.

-- Gnarlie

In article <1104231495.701487.123950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
 "Mary  England" <mary.england@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have been doing a website for a friend - I'm just an amateur, and do
> web design as a hobby. I have spent ages on this website, but I use a
> windows platform and have no idea how it will look on  mac. So, I have
> a very takey question - please, if you are using a macintosh computer,
> I would really appreciate some feedback. I would just like to know how
> it displays. The website shows pictures of sculptures and drawings as
> well as some essays about other artists.
> I would be really grateful!
> 
> http://www.3ene.com
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
> 
> PS And if you have any questions about casting sculptures, come and ask
> me in the alt.sculpture forum!

*
Mary:  Hi!  The site looks fine.

I checked your source code and it appears that you are using the 
'Chicago' font, which is one of the oldest fonts available on the 
oldest Macs.  'Chicago' was designed with fat strokes so that it 
could be 'greyed out' and still be legible.

You might try a more modern font.

Good luck!

earle
*
Mac G4/400 with a Safari (v 1.2.4) browser.

Thanks Earle. Yes - the Chicago font. I always kind of liked it, though
judging from the feedback most people don't. I's advantage is that it
is a fixed distance font, and I used it as the analogue of Fixedsys,
though I guess its suitability as a direct analogue is debatable. Much
of the text in Chicago is intended to be 'used' rather than read - the
stuff in Verdana is more reader friendly. But if the Chicago font
bothered you, then I guess it's a problem.
Any how, thanks for looking - your comments are all useful.
Mary

Mary England wrote:
> Thanks Earle. Yes - the Chicago font. I always kind of liked it, though
> judging from the feedback most people don't. I's advantage is that it
> is a fixed distance font, and I used it as the analogue of Fixedsys,
> though I guess its suitability as a direct analogue is debatable. Much
> of the text in Chicago is intended to be 'used' rather than read - the
> stuff in Verdana is more reader friendly. But if the Chicago font
> bothered you, then I guess it's a problem.
> Any how, thanks for looking - your comments are all useful.
> Mary
> 
Just as a note -
I found that you can "create" Chicago

Geneva + geneva offset 1 pixel left/right + 1 pixel up/down
you end up with Chicago

My God -that's attention to detail. I suppose they might have been
designed by the same people?

Mary England wrote:
> My God -that's attention to detail. I suppose they might have been
> designed by the same people?
> 
it was an accident -
I was doing something with some text in geneva, duplicated it, and was 
moving it around (in a drawing program of some sort).

When by accident, I ended up moving the duplicated text into a position 
1 pixel offset both left/right and up/down  at this point I noticed the 
similarity

Mary,
You're trying to make web pages that will have the same presentation across
as many browsers as possible without the ability to test each of those
browsers.  If your HTML and CSS follow standards and are error free, then
you have the best chance that people will set what you expect them to.

The standards are here, but are not the easiest to read:
http://www.w3c.org

More importantly, you will find links to two validators there, one for your
HTML and one for your CSS... that will tell you exactly what is wrong with
your web pages.

I ran a preliminary check on your work, and found lots of small errors...

Good luck!


TJ Talluto
torpedo51 at yahoo dot com