A supplier is sending me messages from his very new Macintosh with Apple 
Mail. These messages have attachments.

When I (as a PC user) receive the messages, attachments are missing 
entirely in Thunderbird and are present but not decodable in Outlook 
Express.

The supplier has the "Send Windows-friendly attachments" box checked.

I have traced the problem down to one line in the base-64 header which 
immediately precedes the attachment data. Specifically, it's the
"Content-Id:" line.

If I open up the message source, remove this line and resave the message, 
the attachment is then available normally in both Thunderbird and Outlook 
Express.

My question: is there some way of telling Apple Mail not to put the 
"Content-Id:" line in the header?

-- 
Tegger

Jerry Keller writes:
Make sure that the atachment is the last item in the email. After your 
signature or any other text material. After your last text entry, hit 
retun placing the cursor entry point after all text. then move your 
attachment via drag and drop from its folder to that end insertion 
p[oint.
Jerry

On 2008-01-15 09:57:52 -0500, Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> said:

> A supplier is sending me messages from his very new Macintosh with Apple
> Mail. These messages have attachments.
> 
> When I (as a PC user) receive the messages, attachments are missing
> entirely in Thunderbird and are present but not decodable in Outlook
> Express.
> 
> The supplier has the "Send Windows-friendly attachments" box checked.
> 
> I have traced the problem down to one line in the base-64 header which
> immediately precedes the attachment data. Specifically, it's the
> "Content-Id:" line.
> 
> If I open up the message source, remove this line and resave the message,
> the attachment is then available normally in both Thunderbird and Outlook
> Express.
> 
> My question: is there some way of telling Apple Mail not to put the
> "Content-Id:" line in the header?

Jerry Keller <jerrykel@comcast.net> wrote in
news:2008011514192216807-jerrykel@comcastnet: 

> Jerry Keller writes:
> Make sure that the atachment is the last item in the email. After your
> signature or any other text material. After your last text entry, hit 
> retun placing the cursor entry point after all text. then move your 
> attachment via drag and drop from its folder to that end insertion 
> p[oint.



Thanks. I'll pass that along.

But when I study my supplier's message source, it appears he's already done 
this.

I don't think this problem has anything to do with where the attachment is 
placed, it has solely to do with that pesky "Content-Id:" line in the
base-64 header. Unless Apple puts that line in there only when the 
attachment is not at the absolute bottom of the message, which would be 
kind of retarded.

How come Apple is the only one that uses a "Content-Id:" line? What 
possible purpose could it serve other than to mess everybody else up? Who 
does Steve Jobs think he is? Bill Gates?

-- 
Tegger

On 15-Jan-08 17:37, in article Xns9A26C7A25A646tegger@207.14.116.130,
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> How come Apple is the only one that uses a "Content-Id:" line? What
> possible purpose could it serve other than to mess everybody else up? Who
> does Steve Jobs think he is? Bill Gates?

Content-ID is a standard mail header and is specified in both RFC822 and
RFC2111.

From <http://mailformat.dan.info/headers/mime.html>
> The Content-ID header is primarily of use in multi-part messages (as discussed
below); a Content-ID is a unique identifier for a message part, allowing it to
be referred to (e.g., in IMG tags of an HTML message allowing the inline display
of attached images). The content ID is contained within angle brackets in the
Content-ID header. Here is an example:

Content-ID: <5.31.32252.1057009685@server01.example.net>

I'm surprised that Thunderbird doesn't display the attachments correctly,
it's usually quite good about that sort of stuff.

"\"lewis@Gmail\"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote in
news:C3B504BB.CFF2%gkreme@gmail.com: 

> On 15-Jan-08 17:37, in article Xns9A26C7A25A646tegger@207.14.116.130,
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> How come Apple is the only one that uses a "Content-Id:" line? What
>> possible purpose could it serve other than to mess everybody else up?
>> Who does Steve Jobs think he is? Bill Gates?
> 
> Content-ID is a standard mail header and is specified in both RFC822
> and RFC2111.



This is very interesting.



> 
> From <http://mailformat.dan.info/headers/mime.html>
>> The Content-ID header is primarily of use in multi-part messages (as
>> discussed 
> below); a Content-ID is a unique identifier for a message part,
> allowing it to be referred to (e.g., in IMG tags of an HTML message
> allowing the inline display of attached images). The content ID is
> contained within angle brackets in the Content-ID header. Here is an
> example: 
> 
> Content-ID: <5.31.32252.1057009685@server01.example.net>



Yes, it's is similar to the Content-Id line in my supplier's Apple Mail 
messages which have attachments.



> 
> I'm surprised that Thunderbird doesn't display the attachments
> correctly, it's usually quite good about that sort of stuff.
> 
> 


I just went through a number of messages from both Thunderbird and 
Outlook Express. Neither program seems to use the Content-Id line in its 
own messages.

It is interesting that /both/ email clients choke on the Content-Id line 
when it appears in messages from somebody else.

I guess nobody knows how to get Apple Mail to turn the line off.

-- 
Tegger

In article <Xns9A28DE7EFF7BEtegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger
<tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

> I guess nobody knows how to get Apple Mail to turn the line off.

Yell at Microsoft and the Thunderbird developers to comply with
published standards. Mail complying is not the problem.

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On 17-Jan-08 19:54, in article Xns9A28DE7EFF7BEtegger@207.14.116.130,
"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> It is interesting that /both/ email clients choke on the Content-Id line
> when it appears in messages from somebody else.

Nah, it's only interesting that Thunderbird chokes.  Lookout choking is no
surprise at all. ;)

I found this, though it's about SENDING attachments.  Still, it might help:

<http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2005/12/forcing_thunderbird_to_treat_o.h
tml>

I did forget that Thunderbird has some 'issues' with attachments.

Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP account
and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo attachments.
Thunderbird displayed it fine.

On 18-Jan-08 04:32, in article C3B5DC65.D036%gkreme@gmail.com,
""lewis@Gmail"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP account
> and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo attachments.
> Thunderbird displayed it fine.

OK, tell your Mac user to sent in PLAIN TEXT instead of Rich Text (My mail
send Plain Text only).  Your attachments will show up fine.

On 18-Jan-08 04:59, in article C3B5E29F.D07D%gkreme@gmail.com,
""lewis@Gmail"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18-Jan-08 04:32, in article C3B5DC65.D036%gkreme@gmail.com,
> ""lewis@Gmail"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP account
>> and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo attachments.
>> Thunderbird displayed it fine.
> 
> OK, tell your Mac user to sent in PLAIN TEXT instead of Rich Text (My mail
> send Plain Text only).  Your attachments will show up fine.

Oh, and just for the record, even when sent as html, the attachments DO show
up in Thunderbird, but only in the 'attachment well' at the bottom of the
message display.

In <Xns9A26655137B2Btegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:

> When I (as a PC user) receive the messages, attachments are missing
> entirely in Thunderbird and are present but not decodable in Outlook
> Express.

> My question: is there some way of telling Apple Mail not to put the
> "Content-Id:" line in the header?

Can you quote the full headers (anonymizing addresses as needed) of one 
the messages that fails.  Also provide the "header" portion for the 
attachment.

I really think that there must be something special about these messages 
in particular, since people using Apple's Mail.app have been sending 
content with attachments to people using Thunderbird and Outhouse on 
Windows for many years now.

-j


-- 
Jeffrey Goldberg                     http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/
  I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings.
  http://improve-usenet.org/

In <Xns9A26C7A25A646tegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:

> How come Apple is the only one that uses a "Content-Id:" line?

It's in the MIME standards (for almost a decade now), and I believe 
(though I could be wrong about this) it was initially introduced at the 
behest of Microsoft when they started sending HTML mail.  The idea was to 
be able to tie particular attachments to particular image embedding in 
HTML mail.

   http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2392.txt

> What possible purpose could it serve other than to mess everybody else 
> up? Who does Steve Jobs think he is? Bill Gates?

I hate HTML mail as much as anybody.  But to my knowledge, you are the 
only one experiencing this problem.  This is not to say that there isn't a 
bug or standards violation in Apple Mail.  If that's what it turns out to 
be it wouldn't be the first.

So here are a few things to check out to help identify the problem.

(1) Ask the sender to copy the messages sent to you to other windows users 
and find out if those other recipients have the same problem you are 
experiencing.

(2) See of other people using Apple's Mail.app can send you messages with 
attachments.

And of course, try to post full headers and the header for the "part" from 
an offending message.

I am not at all happy that Apple went to creating HTML mail in Leopard. 
I wouldn't be surprised if it were causing compatibility problems.  But 
lets find out what the problem really is before jumping to conclusions.

-j


-- 
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In <C3B5EFCB.D081%gkreme@gmail.com>, "lewis@Gmail" wrote:

> Oh, and just for the record, even when sent as html, the attachments DO show
> up in Thunderbird, but only in the 'attachment well' at the bottom of the
> message display.

I just tested by using Mail.app 3.1 (914/915) to send a message to myself 
using its "Stationary" and I attached a picture in the middle of it.

I then read the message with Thunderbird version 2.0.0.9 (20071031) on OS 
X, 10.5.1.

As you say all of the attachments (including the stationary background and 
top and bottom images) were all fully available in the attachment area in 
the pane below the text of the message.

I then then asked Thunderbird to render the message as "Original HTML" 
(for which it would need to make use of the content-id part headers).  It 
rendered it just fine.  All of the stationary shit was right in place 
along with the image that I'd added.

So on OS X, Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 handles this stuff just fine.

I am beginning to suspect what the problem the OP might be experiencing 
comes from.  As we know, parts with Contend-ID headers are linked to in 
the HTML with things like <img src="cid:blah-blah-blah@dom.ain">.

Now what happens if the attached part isn't in image?  Then there should 
be a hyperlink of some sort, so it might be

    <a href="cid:blah@dom.ain">text</a>

So it might just be a problem of finding the right "text" to click on in 
the HTML message.

This is all speculation.  We need to know what kind of attachment is 
missing, and really see a sample message.

-j

-- 
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  I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings.
  http://improve-usenet.org/

Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.0.99999.0801181055010.6748@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org: 

> In <Xns9A26655137B2Btegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:
> 
>> When I (as a PC user) receive the messages, attachments are missing
>> entirely in Thunderbird and are present but not decodable in Outlook
>> Express.
> 
>> My question: is there some way of telling Apple Mail not to put the
>> "Content-Id:" line in the header?
> 
> Can you quote the full headers (anonymizing addresses as needed) of
> one the messages that fails.  Also provide the "header" portion for
> the attachment.



Headers of typical message:

From - Mon Jan 14 17:44:02 2008
X-Account-Key: account7
X-UIDL: GmailId<whatever>
X-Mozilla-Status: 0003
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
X-Mozilla-Keys:                                                                                 
Delivered-To: <me>
Received: by <ip-address> with SMTP id t12cs88438ybd;
        Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:31:13 -0800 (PST)
Received: by <ip-address> with SMTP id x5mr2818814wfc.191.1200346270266;
        Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:31:10 -0800 (PST)
Return-Path: <supplier>
Received: from mail93.megamailservers.com (mail93.megamailservers.com 
[216.251.36.93])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 
p13si9136697roh.16.2008.01.14.13.31.07;
        Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:31:09 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 216.251.36.93 is neither permitted 
nor denied by best guess record for domain of <supplier>) client-ip=<ip-
address>;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: <ip-
address> is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain 
of <supplier>) smtp.mail=<email-ddress>
X-POP-User: <supplier>
Received: from [192.168.123.194] (CPE00306586d924-
CM000a73a95946.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.250.109.149])
	by mail93.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP 
id m0ELUqwb025898
	for <me>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:30:53 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753)
To: <me>
Message-Id: <3E3AD6E5-06C2-4714-8C1A-58B93ADCB477@<supplier>>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-848248403
From: <supplier>
Subject: Renderings
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:31:04 -0500
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753)



Base-64 header portion for a typical attachment:


--Apple-Mail-14-848248403
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Id: <E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3@local>
Content-Type: image/jpeg;
	x-mac-type=4A504547;
	x-unix-mode=0644;
	x-mac-creator=3842494D;
	name=whatever.jpg
Content-Disposition: inline;
	filename=whatever.jpg

/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAgEAZABkAAD/4RYJRXhpZgAATU0AKgAAAAgABwESAAMAAAABAAEAAAEa
AAUAAAABAAAAYgEbAAUAAAABAAAAagEoAAMAAAABAAIAAAExAAIAAAAeAAAAcgEyAAIAAAAU
AAAAkIdp...etc...



> 
> I really think that there must be something special about these
> messages in particular, since people using Apple's Mail.app have been
> sending content with attachments to people using Thunderbird and
> Outhouse on Windows for many years now.
> 


Maybe so, but all the problem does disappear the instant I nuke that 
Content-Id line. Abd nobody else i receive mail from uses the Content-Id 
line. My supplier reports that he has mixed success wit people being 
able to see his attachmenst. Sometimes they can, sometimes not. I don't 
have enough control over him to be able to pore over all his messages in 
order to find some kind of common thread.

I have emails from
Outlook Express
Outlook
Microsoft Exchange
Thunderbird
Lotus Notes
Mozilla

In all I see Content Type, Transfer, Description and Disposition. Not 
one has any Content-Id. Except Apple Mail.

Interestingly, I've just discovered an Apple Mail message to me from 
2003. It does NOT contain the Content-Id line, and the attachments are 
visible and decodable. Headers from that base-64 item:

--Apple-Mail-6--866277243--

--Apple-Mail-5--866277243
Content-Disposition: attachment
Content-Type: multipart/appledouble;
	boundary=Apple-Mail-7--866277242


--Apple-Mail-7--866277242
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename=222575-<file>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Type: application/applefile;
	name="222575-<file>


I'm totally stumped just now.

-- 
Tegger

"\"lewis@Gmail\"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote in
news:C3B5E29F.D07D%gkreme@gmail.com: 

> On 18-Jan-08 04:32, in article C3B5DC65.D036%gkreme@gmail.com,
> ""lewis@Gmail"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP
>> account and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo
>> attachments. Thunderbird displayed it fine.
> 
> OK, tell your Mac user to sent in PLAIN TEXT instead of Rich Text (My
> mail send Plain Text only).  Your attachments will show up fine.
> 



I asked him today. He never got around to it. I'll try again Monday.

-- 
Tegger

"\"lewis@Gmail\"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote in
news:C3B5EFCB.D081%gkreme@gmail.com: 

> On 18-Jan-08 04:59, in article C3B5E29F.D07D%gkreme@gmail.com,
> ""lewis@Gmail"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 18-Jan-08 04:32, in article C3B5DC65.D036%gkreme@gmail.com,
>> ""lewis@Gmail"" <gkreme@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP
>>> account and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo
>>> attachments. Thunderbird displayed it fine.
>> 
>> OK, tell your Mac user to sent in PLAIN TEXT instead of Rich Text (My
>> mail send Plain Text only).  Your attachments will show up fine.
> 
> Oh, and just for the record, even when sent as html, the attachments
> DO show up in Thunderbird, but only in the 'attachment well' at the
> bottom of the message display.
> 
> 


Not for me. No paper clip, nothing in the attachment well, nothing. I'm not 
the only one who can't see his attachments, either.

If nobody else has this problem, it must be his configuration.

-- 
Tegger

Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.0.99999.0801181121100.6748@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org: 


> 
> I then then asked Thunderbird to render the message as "Original HTML"
> (for which it would need to make use of the content-id part headers). 
> It rendered it just fine.  All of the stationary shit was right in
> place along with the image that I'd added.




I just told Thunderbird to View > Message Body As > Plain Text.

Suddenly all the attachments show up, including the JPG he's used for his 
"sig". It would appear that viewing in plain text forces ALL files to show 
up as attachments. Not ideal, but it does work.

I can't seem to find where to tell Outhouse Express how to render the 
message, so I still can't see the the attachments there (except the 
signature JPG).




-- 
Tegger

Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.0.99999.0801181059011.6748@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org: 

> In <Xns9A26C7A25A646tegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:
> 
>> How come Apple is the only one that uses a "Content-Id:" line?
> 
> It's in the MIME standards (for almost a decade now), and I believe 
> (though I could be wrong about this) it was initially introduced at
> the behest of Microsoft when they started sending HTML mail.  The idea
> was to be able to tie particular attachments to particular image
> embedding in HTML mail.
> 
>    http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2392.txt
> 
>> What possible purpose could it serve other than to mess everybody
>> else up? Who does Steve Jobs think he is? Bill Gates?
> 
> I hate HTML mail as much as anybody.  But to my knowledge, you are the
> only one experiencing this problem.



I'm not, actually. My supplier tells me he has hit-and-miss problems with 
customers and others not reliably being able to see his attachments. He has 
Thunderbird installed for use in those situations.




-- 
Tegger

In <Xns9A29C469BA471tegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:

> Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote in

>> Can you quote the full headers


> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753)
> To: <me>
> Message-Id: <3E3AD6E5-06C2-4714-8C1A-58B93ADCB477@<supplier>>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-848248403
> From: <supplier>
> Subject: Renderings
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:31:04 -0500
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753)

OK.  I don't have that version of Mail.app to play with.

> Base-64 header portion for a typical attachment:
>
>
> --Apple-Mail-14-848248403
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Id: <E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3@local>
> Content-Type: image/jpeg;
> 	x-mac-type=4A504547;
> 	x-unix-mode=0644;
> 	x-mac-creator=3842494D;
> 	name=whatever.jpg
> Content-Disposition: inline;
> 	filename=whatever.jpg
>

Can you look through the raw HTML part of the message and look for 
something like

    cid:E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3@local

If you find it, please post the context in which you find it.

If you don't find it then there really is a bad bug in that version of 
Mail.app.

> Interestingly, I've just discovered an Apple Mail message to me from
> 2003. It does NOT contain the Content-Id line, and the attachments are
> visible and decodable.

Version 1.X of Apple Mail didn't compose HTML mail.  Content-Id only makes 
sense in the context of an HTML message.  As I said, the purpose of 
Content-id is to link an attachment to some URI in the HTML part of a 
message.

Cheers,

-j

-- 
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  http://improve-usenet.org/

In <Xns9A29C6FB42C5Btegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:

> I just told Thunderbird to View > Message Body As > Plain Text.
>
> Suddenly all the attachments show up, including the JPG he's used for his
> "sig". It would appear that viewing in plain text forces ALL files to show
> up as attachments. Not ideal, but it does work.

I'm pleased that you found a work-around.  I'm still curious about what 
the source of the problem is.

If Mail.app always messed up attachments in HTML mail the problem would 
have been noticed long ago.  So there is something about the way your 
sender is working that is tickling a bug in Mail.app.

I'm happy to keep pressing your for details, but I'm not all that 
optimistic about identifying, much less solving, the problem without 
cooperation of the person sending the mail.

> I can't seem to find where to tell Outhouse Express how to render the
> message,

I can't help you there.  There may not even be a way to say that you want 
to see the text/plain part instead of the text/html part.

-j

-- 
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  I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings.
  http://improve-usenet.org/

In <Xns9A29C7690213Ctegger@207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:

> Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote

>> I hate HTML mail as much as anybody.  But to my knowledge, you are the
>> only one experiencing this problem.

> I'm not, actually. My supplier tells me he has hit-and-miss problems with
> customers and others not reliably being able to see his attachments. He has
> Thunderbird installed for use in those situations.

OK.  Noted.

-j

-- 
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Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.0.99999.0801181840310.6748@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org: 


>>
> 
> Can you look through the raw HTML part of the message and look for 
> something like
> 
>     cid:E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3@local
> 
> If you find it, please post the context in which you find it.


It's there. I don't know enough about HTML to know what all this means,
but here it is: 

<div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span><img =
src=3D"cid:E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3@local"></span><span><img
= 
src=3D"cid:D2993A11-BAF1-4796-83A9-0914D148F5D4@local"></span><br><br><div= 
> <span><img =src=3D"cid:4C4FE1C6-BBC4-480D-B273-1AFDF269F6B4@local">
</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent:
= 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; "><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Arial">smoebody's name</font></div>




-- 
Tegger