Using Carbon Copy Cloner, how does one:
1. Backup all files except those that make up OS X?
2. Restore only OS X from a backup of an entire disc (consisting of OS X and 
all applications and documents)?

I'm considering backing up the OS and all other files separately, such that 
if the OS tanks, I can restore only that, whereas if the drive  directory 
corrputs, I'll have to restore the entire image. 

PowerBook G3/400; OS X 10.2.8; CCC 2.2

Thanks,
-- 
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

In article <0001HW.BB952EDA0009C70DF0080600@news.individual.net>, DaveC
<dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

> Using Carbon Copy Cloner, how does one:
> 1. Backup all files except those that make up OS X?
> 2. Restore only OS X from a backup of an entire disc (consisting of OS X and 
> all applications and documents)?

RTFM

In article <230920031125343012%simples_it@yahoo.it>,
 <simples_it@yahoo.it> wrote:

> In article <0001HW.BB952EDA0009C70DF0080600@news.individual.net>, DaveC
> <dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:
> 
> > Using Carbon Copy Cloner, how does one:
> > 1. Backup all files except those that make up OS X?
> > 2. Restore only OS X from a backup of an entire disc (consisting of OS X 
> > and 
> > all applications and documents)?
> 
> RTFM


DaveC CAN'T read. cf his prior whinnings.

-- 
Enough <enough@idontcare.com>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 3:24:14 -0700, simples_it@yahoo.it wrote
(in message <230920031125343012%simples_it@yahoo.it>):

The "fine manual" describes
1. How to back-up OS X via the command-line interface, or 
2. How to clone the entire drive using CCC

It does  not describe how to 
1. copy and/or restore *only* OS X via the CCC application, or
2. copy and/or restore *only* all files *except* OS X files via the CCC 
application.

Specifically missing is mention of how to be sure to back-up the infinite 
number of invisible OS files. 

Any help answering *those* questions would be gratefully appreciated. 
-- 
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

In article <0001HW.BB959BDB000B9F2EF0080600@news.individual.net>,
 DaveC <dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 3:24:14 -0700, simples_it@yahoo.it wrote
> (in message <230920031125343012%simples_it@yahoo.it>):
> 
> The "fine manual" describes
> 1. How to back-up OS X via the command-line interface, or 
> 2. How to clone the entire drive using CCC
> 
> It does  not describe how to 
> 1. copy and/or restore *only* OS X via the CCC application, or
> 2. copy and/or restore *only* all files *except* OS X files via the CCC 
> application.

You can select/exclude individual folders from the source drive.
> 
> Specifically missing is mention of how to be sure to back-up the infinite 
> number of invisible OS files. 

Infinite number? All files and folders at the file tree root of the 
source drive are displayed.  When a folder is copied, all files within 
it are copied.

> 
> Any help answering *those* questions would be gratefully appreciated.

-- 
Tom Stiller

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                   7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 6:53:06 -0700, Tom Stiller wrote
(in message <tomstiller-057059.09530623092003@news.comcast.giganews.com>):

> In article <0001HW.BB959BDB000B9F2EF0080600@news.individual.net>,
>  DaveC <dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

> You can select/exclude individual folders from the source drive.

>> Specifically missing is mention of how to be sure to back-up the infinite 
>> number of invisible OS files. 

> Infinite number? All files and folders at the file tree root of the 
> source drive are displayed.  When a folder is copied, all files within 
> it are copied.

OK, maybe not "infinite". But see the number of files that Bombich suggests 
backing up using the command-line interface (scroll down to "Cloning a disk 
or backing up your drive with ditto"):

     http://www.bombich.com/mactips/image.html

And he also suggests recreating symbolic links and empty directories, copying 
the resource fork of many files, and blessing the system folder.

Are any of these functions available in CCC in an automated form? It seems 
not (except if you just want to back-up the entire drive, then they are all 
peformed, I think).

How can I back-up OS X (only) to one disk image, and all other files to 
another, such that all I have to do to restore and boot is to copy those 
files to the HD after recovering the drive?

Thanks,
-- 
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

> How can I back-up OS X (only) to one disk image, and all other files to 
> another, such that all I have to do to restore and boot is to copy those 
> files to the HD after recovering the drive?
I have the same request. The OS in my b&wG3 is messed up). I'm want to
save my apps, etc on one backup. I'm then  going to initalize my HD and
put is a new OS. When I get a good clean OS, I, too, want the ability
to create a backup of just that clean OS.

-- 
Dowop

In article <0001HW.BB959BDB000B9F2EF0080600@news.individual.net>, DaveC
<dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 3:24:14 -0700, simples_it@yahoo.it wrote
> (in message <230920031125343012%simples_it@yahoo.it>):
> 
> The "fine manual" describes
> 1. How to back-up OS X via the command-line interface, or 
> 2. How to clone the entire drive using CCC
> 
> It does  not describe how to 
> 1. copy and/or restore *only* OS X via the CCC application, or
> 2. copy and/or restore *only* all files *except* OS X files via the CCC 
> application.

In the documentation, go to 'Using CCC'.
In there there is a section entitled 'Instructions'.
Point 2 of these instructions tells you what you need to know.
In fact the application itself has a little note in the main window
telling you how to do this.

To copy and/or restore *only* OS X, select your 'Users' folder and any
other folders you have added to the top level folder and press the
'delete' button.

To copy and/or restore *only* all files *except* OS X files, select all
files and folders except your 'Users' folder and any other folders you
have added and then press the delete button.

The delete button is the button with a red circle with a red line going
through it.

> Specifically missing is mention of how to be sure to back-up the infinite 
> number of invisible OS files. 

The backup of all of the invisible files used by the OS will be
accomplished if you follow the instructions above to copy and/or
restore *only* OS X.

Rob.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:12:19 -0700, simples_it@yahoo.it wrote
(in message <230920031913359777%gommino_2000_nospam@mapson.yahoo.co.uk>):

> In the documentation, go to 'Using CCC'.
> In there there is a section entitled 'Instructions'.

Rob,
Thanks for that.

I see on the Root level of my hard drive, folders called Help and Documents 
which contain some OS stuff, and some application-specific stuff. I have not 
created these, but application installers have, or OS X has (some are 
obvious, some are not). What should I do with these; back then up or not? It 
is decisions like these that I was hoping to avoid with an automatic OS 
backup mechanism within CCC or other application. 

So there is no automatic way to back-up the OS; only folders and files I 
select will be backed-up, correct? 

In other words, all files and folders on the root level of the drive that are 
not created by me or by an application I installed, is an OS file/folder. By 
eliminating my -- and the application's -- files and folders, what remains is 
the OS' files. (This includes invisible OS files.) Is this what you are 
saying? 

It seems that it is because copying files and folders with CCC (as compared 
to the Finder) includes invisible files and folders that one can back-up OS 
X. 
-- 
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

In article <0001HW.BB95B6510011D2C9F0080600@news.individual.net>,
 DaveC <dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:
> 
> How can I back-up OS X (only) to one disk image, and all other files to 
> another, such that all I have to do to restore and boot is to copy those 
> files to the HD after recovering the drive?
> 

Foresight. You should have partitioned your disk so that the boot volume 
contains only OS-X, and perhaps some of those apps that insist they will 
not run anywhere but inside /Applications.


>      http://www.bombich.com/mactips/image.html
> 
> And he also suggests recreating symbolic links and empty directories, copying 
> the resource fork of many files, and blessing the system folder.
> 
> Are any of these functions available in CCC in an automated form? It seems 
> not (except if you just want to back-up the entire drive, then they are all 
> peformed, I think).
> 

Sorry to bore witless other gentle readers, but nearly the first thing I 
see on that page, in big bold letters, is:

   Note: These instructions provide the command-line instructions 
   for manual backups or clones. Carbon Copy Cloner follows the 
   rules laid out below -- you do not need to follow any of these
   instructions if you use Carbon Copy Cloner.

In article <0001HW.BB95F804002138BAF0080600@news.individual.net>, DaveC
<dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:12:19 -0700, simples_it@yahoo.it wrote
> (in message <230920031913359777%gommino_2000_nospam@mapson.yahoo.co.uk>):
> 
> > In the documentation, go to 'Using CCC'.
> > In there there is a section entitled 'Instructions'.
> 
> Rob,
> Thanks for that.
> 
> I see on the Root level of my hard drive, folders called Help and Documents 
> which contain some OS stuff, and some application-specific stuff. I have not 
> created these, but application installers have, or OS X has (some are 
> obvious, some are not). What should I do with these; back then up or not? It 
> is decisions like these that I was hoping to avoid with an automatic OS 
> backup mechanism within CCC or other application. 

With any backup stategy, you have to decide what the files/folders
(including OS ones) are that you want to backup. Only you can decide
what is valuable/important to you. No software can do that for you.

> So there is no automatic way to back-up the OS; only folders and files I 
> select will be backed-up, correct? 

See above.

> In other words, all files and folders on the root level of the drive that are 
> not created by me or by an application I installed, is an OS file/folder. By 
> eliminating my -- and the application's -- files and folders, what remains is 
> the OS' files. (This includes invisible OS files.) Is this what you are 
> saying? 

If you started with a blank disk, then yes.

> It seems that it is because copying files and folders with CCC (as compared 
> to the Finder) includes invisible files and folders that one can back-up OS 
> X.

Good observation.

Rob.