I've always used Safari (current version 5.1.7), but the people over at 
Ancestry.com do not support Safari, but do support Firefox (my version 
13.0.1), so I've been using Firefox on Ancestry. 

There is one problem from the same web sites I'm able to drag and drop 
images to my genealogy program with Safari but not with Firefox. Is 
there some settings I need to change in Firefox to be able to drag and 
drop images off of web pages?

In article <once-B5F4B3.21241129062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:

> I've always used Safari (current version 5.1.7), but the people over at 
> Ancestry.com do not support Safari, but do support Firefox (my version 
> 13.0.1), so I've been using Firefox on Ancestry. 
> 
> There is one problem from the same web sites I'm able to drag and drop 
> images to my genealogy program with Safari but not with Firefox. Is 
> there some settings I need to change in Firefox to be able to drag and 
> drop images off of web pages?

I have the same FF version on Snow Leopard and dragging images off is 
no problem, so ... 

* What OS are you on? 

* Perhaps you need to go slower and carefully select and then 
slowwwwly drag across to the desktop or wherever. 

* This is probably not relevant to your problem but I mention in case: 
sometimes something can look like an image but is not in fact. If it a 
style artifact (as in Fig. 6 at 

<http://netweaver.com.au/floatHouse/page1.php>

it will not drag on mere one click and drag, though you can drag 
something by clicking again and holding and dragging. What you are 
dragging appears as an image but is in fact a mere empty clipping, the 
element concerned is a contentless DIV, styled with coloured borders 
for a purpose that we need not go into here.)

* A background image to an html element is perhaps another but more 
serious contender for a draggable image (because a real image is used 
by the author), but generally you cannot do this because it is still a 
CSS style product.

-- 
dorayme

In article <dorayme-EA4E79.16295430062012@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article <once-B5F4B3.21241129062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:
> 
> > I've always used Safari (current version 5.1.7), but the people over at 
> > Ancestry.com do not support Safari, but do support Firefox (my version 
> > 13.0.1), so I've been using Firefox on Ancestry. 
> > 
> > There is one problem from the same web sites I'm able to drag and drop 
> > images to my genealogy program with Safari but not with Firefox. Is 
> > there some settings I need to change in Firefox to be able to drag and 
> > drop images off of web pages?
> 
> I have the same FF version on Snow Leopard and dragging images off is 
> no problem, so ... 
> 
> * What OS are you on? 

I'm running OS 10.7.4.

> 
> * Perhaps you need to go slower and carefully select and then 
> slowwwwly drag across to the desktop or wherever. 

I've been slow more than a dozen times, I can see the outline of the 
image as I drag it from Firefox to my genealogy program, when I do this 
in Safari the cursor will change to a green circle with a + sign in the 
middle as the image comes over the picture field.
> 
> * This is probably not relevant to your problem but I mention in case: 
> sometimes something can look like an image but is not in fact. If it a 
> style artifact (as in Fig. 6 at 

I'm dragging the same image from the same web site to the same genealogy 
program, first with Firefox where the image is not accepted, second with 
Safari where the image is accepted.

In article <once-C9AB77.00115930062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:
....
> 
> I'm dragging the same image from the same web site to the same genealogy 
> program, first with Firefox where the image is not accepted, second with 
> Safari where the image is accepted.

OK, take a step back and say if you are able to drag an image off a 
webpage onto the desktop OK?

I am thinking, as a workaround, if you drag an image off a webpage min 
Safari onto the desktop first, let go, and then, as a second step, 
drag the image off the desktop onto your program, does it do what you 
want in your app? I assume so. Now, doing the same in FF should also 
work because, since the first step is possible in FF (it is, isn't it? 
Or are you having trouble with your FF on this one too?), the second 
step is independent of all browsers. Forgive me if I am not clear on 
your app or context.

-- 
dorayme

In article <dorayme-D3C83D.17465730062012@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article <once-C9AB77.00115930062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:
> ...
> > 
> > I'm dragging the same image from the same web site to the same genealogy 
> > program, first with Firefox where the image is not accepted, second with 
> > Safari where the image is accepted.
> 
> OK, take a step back and say if you are able to drag an image off a 
> webpage onto the desktop OK?

Yes I can drag an image from a web page to my desktop with Firefox and 
then drag the image from the desktop to my genealogy program [Reunion 
version 10], in Safari I can drag the same image from the same web site 
directly to my Reunion program.

I just did another test opening the same web page with the same image in 
both Firefox and Safari, and then opened a new TextEdit document and 
tried drag-dropping the image, Firefox produced the green circle cursor 
with the + sign as the image was over the TextEdit document but on 
releasing the mouse button no image is copied, whereas in Safari the 
image is easily drag-dropped to the the TextEdit document.

So it appears that either Firefox has a bug or there is some setting 
that I need to change.

In article <once-9AEE35.07160730062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:

> In article <dorayme-D3C83D.17465730062012@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > In article <once-C9AB77.00115930062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:
> > ...
> > > 
> > > I'm dragging the same image from the same web site to the same genealogy 
> > > program, first with Firefox where the image is not accepted, second with 
> > > Safari where the image is accepted.
> > 
> > OK, take a step back and say if you are able to drag an image off a 
> > webpage onto the desktop OK?
> 
> Yes I can drag an image from a web page to my desktop with Firefox and 
> then drag the image from the desktop to my genealogy program [Reunion 
> version 10], in Safari I can drag the same image from the same web site 
> directly to my Reunion program.
> 
> I just did another test opening the same web page with the same image in 
> both Firefox and Safari, and then opened a new TextEdit document and 
> tried drag-dropping the image, Firefox produced the green circle cursor 
> with the + sign as the image was over the TextEdit document but on 
> releasing the mouse button no image is copied, whereas in Safari the 
> image is easily drag-dropped to the the TextEdit document.
> 
> So it appears that either Firefox has a bug or there is some setting 
> that I need to change.

Firefox and Opera don't use the Webkit rendering engine to display stuff 
on the screen.  Safari and Chrome do use Webkit.

It's up to the FF developers to decide if that's a bug or a feature.  
Does FF use the Keychain to store passwords?  If not, that's not a bug, 
but an implementation limitation.

I sometime use multiple browsers.  Sometimes a video won't display on 
Safari but works just fine on Chrome.

YMMV.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

In article <vilain-F05AFF.11590730062012@news.individual.net>,
 Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <once-9AEE35.07160730062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <dorayme-D3C83D.17465730062012@news.albasani.net>,
> >  dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <once-C9AB77.00115930062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >  Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > 
> > > > I'm dragging the same image from the same web site to the same 
> > > > genealogy 
> > > > program, first with Firefox where the image is not accepted, second 
> > > > with 
> > > > Safari where the image is accepted.
> > > 
> > > OK, take a step back and say if you are able to drag an image off a 
> > > webpage onto the desktop OK?
> > 
> > Yes I can drag an image from a web page to my desktop with Firefox and 
> > then drag the image from the desktop to my genealogy program [Reunion 
> > version 10], in Safari I can drag the same image from the same web site 
> > directly to my Reunion program.
> > 
> > I just did another test opening the same web page with the same image in 
> > both Firefox and Safari, and then opened a new TextEdit document and 
> > tried drag-dropping the image, Firefox produced the green circle cursor 
> > with the + sign as the image was over the TextEdit document but on 
> > releasing the mouse button no image is copied, whereas in Safari the 
> > image is easily drag-dropped to the the TextEdit document.
> > 
> > So it appears that either Firefox has a bug or there is some setting 
> > that I need to change.
> 
> Firefox and Opera don't use the Webkit rendering engine to display stuff 
> on the screen.  Safari and Chrome do use Webkit.
> 
> It's up to the FF developers to decide if that's a bug or a feature.  
> Does FF use the Keychain to store passwords?  If not, that's not a bug, 
> but an implementation limitation.
> 
> I sometime use multiple browsers.  Sometimes a video won't display on 
> Safari but works just fine on Chrome.

I assume drag-and-drop uses some of the same underlying mechanisms as 
cut-and-paste (although it obviously bypasses the main clipboard to do 
it).  IIUC, when you cut something, the originating application can make 
it available in a variety of formats (e.g. cutting from a word processor 
can generate both formatted and plain text), and when you paste the 
receiving application indicates which formats it understands and gets 
that one.

What may be going on here is that when you drag out of FF it generates 
an image format that the Finder recognizes, but TextEdit and Reunion 
don't.  Safari generates a different image format that all these 
applications understand.

This is a compatibility issue, but like he said, it's not necessarily a 
bug.  And if it is a bug, it could just as easily be considered a bug in 
TextEdit and Reunion -- perhaps they should recognize this format.  
Although if there's a "least common denominator" format that all 
applications are expected to generate and understand, it seems like FF 
should generate that if possible.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

In article <once-9AEE35.07160730062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:

> In article <dorayme-D3C83D.17465730062012@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > In article <once-C9AB77.00115930062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:
> > ...
> > > 
> > > I'm dragging the same image from the same web site to the same genealogy 
> > > program, first with Firefox where the image is not accepted, second with 
> > > Safari where the image is accepted.
> > 
> > OK, take a step back and say if you are able to drag an image off a 
> > webpage onto the desktop OK?
> 
> Yes I can drag an image from a web page to my desktop with Firefox and 
> then drag the image from the desktop to my genealogy program [Reunion 
> version 10], in Safari I can drag the same image from the same web site 
> directly to my Reunion program.

Right, I understand, I was suggesting it as a workaround for you. If 
you are keen to use FF, this two step process is pretty quick and you 
can make it as efficient as your conditions dictate. To delete the 
desktop versions afterwards, you can select and command delete (as you 
probably know).

-- 
dorayme

On 06-30-2012 15:29, Barry Margolin wrote:
> This is a compatibility issue, but like he said, it's not necessarily a
> bug.  And if it is a bug, it could just as easily be considered a bug in
> TextEdit and Reunion -- perhaps they should recognize this format.
> Although if there's a "least common denominator" format that all
> applications are expected to generate and understand, it seems like FF
> should generate that if possible.

Safari and Reunion are both designed for Mac.  FireFox is more generic.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Pat's Polemics
   http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett

In article <vilain-F05AFF.11590730062012@news.individual.net>,
 Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <once-9AEE35.07160730062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:

> > I just did another test opening the same web page with the same image in 
> > both Firefox and Safari, and then opened a new TextEdit document and 
> > tried drag-dropping the image, Firefox produced the green circle cursor 
> > with the + sign as the image was over the TextEdit document but on 
> > releasing the mouse button no image is copied, whereas in Safari the 
> > image is easily drag-dropped to the the TextEdit document.
> > 
> > So it appears that either Firefox has a bug or there is some setting 
> > that I need to change.
> 
> Firefox and Opera don't use the Webkit rendering engine to display stuff 
> on the screen.  Safari and Chrome do use Webkit.
> 

I don't think that it is a matter of using Webkit.  Try the same thing 
with the Console open and set to view All Messages.  Also open Activity 
Monitor and make sure that the column for Sandbox is viewable.

Drag and drop of an image from Firefox onto a TextEdit window will fail 
with the Console message indicating that TextEdit is sandboxed.

Drag and drop an image from Safari works.  Looking at Activity Monitor, 
I see that Safari Web Content is a sandboxed process.

Drag and drop from Firefox to the Desktop works.  Look at Activity 
Monitor and we see that Finder is not sandboxed.

If I remember correctly, this thread started out with dragging and 
dropping an image from a browser to Reunion.  Is Reunion a sandboxed 
application?  At this point I only have what appears to be a cause and 
effect for one browser working and another one not.  Knowing if Reunion 
or any subprocess it relies on is sandboxed may help firm up the issue.

-- 
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.