Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.  
It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.

> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.  
> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.

And to followup: what's with the clock in iCal?  I can't tell the 
difference between 1pm and 1am.  In International, Formats I thought it 
would be cool if 1am would be 01 and 1pm would be just 1.  That way it 
keeps everything clear and short.  But it seems to ignore these settings 
in iCal.  Did I miss something?  24 clocks for most people are confusing 
and prone to errors as people adjust to them though obviously they are 
the preferred method.  Factor in different time zones and its a 
nightmare.  So the simpler you can make telling the time, the better.  
What could be more clear and simple than just adding an 0 if the time is 
in the am?

RiKN wrote:
>> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
>> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.  
>> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
>> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
>> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> 
> And to followup: what's with the clock in iCal?  I can't tell the 
> difference between 1pm and 1am.  In International, Formats I thought it 
> would be cool if 1am would be 01 and 1pm would be just 1.  That way it 
> keeps everything clear and short.  But it seems to ignore these settings 
> in iCal.  Did I miss something?  24 clocks for most people are confusing 
> and prone to errors as people adjust to them though obviously they are 
> the preferred method.  Factor in different time zones and its a 
> nightmare.  So the simpler you can make telling the time, the better.  
> What could be more clear and simple than just adding an 0 if the time is 
> in the am?

Would you like to see 010:00 and 011:00?

People have trouble understanding 12AM and 12PM.

In article <zzzzzz-3F234B.13284812102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
 RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:

> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.  
> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.

Have you tried "0 minutes before"?

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the
> > event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.
> > It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after)
> > but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1
> > the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> 
> Have you tried "0 minutes before"?

I could be wrong, but I got the impression that he wants to know if it's
possible to change the default, so that he doesn't have to do it
individually for each event.

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In article <1iophuy.v50hmf1g0bf12N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
 mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the
> > > event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.
> > > It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after)
> > > but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1
> > > the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> > 
> > Have you tried "0 minutes before"?
> 
> I could be wrong, but I got the impression that he wants to know if it's
> possible to change the default, so that he doesn't have to do it
> individually for each event.

That's not what i got from the first sentence; but maybe you're right.

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In article <jollyroger-8A8B11.16053212102008@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <1iophuy.v50hmf1g0bf12N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
>  mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> 
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the
> > > > event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.
> > > > It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after)
> > > > but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1
> > > > the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> > > 
> > > Have you tried "0 minutes before"?
> > 
> > I could be wrong, but I got the impression that he wants to know if it's
> > possible to change the default, so that he doesn't have to do it
> > individually for each event.
> 
> That's not what i got from the first sentence; but maybe you're right.

Even so, it appears he can also to this with the *default* alarm 
setting, in iCal preferences:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/ical-alarm-defaults.png>

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In article <zzzzzz-3F234B.13284812102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
 RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:

> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)

Yes.  Change the notification time to from "15 minutes before" to "0 
minutes before".

> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.

No, I wouldn't think that, because iCal is a daytimer, not an alarm 
clock.  If I have a class, meeting, or appointment at 3pm, I want an 
alarm *before* 3pm so I have time to get there.  There may be some uses 
for which it would make sense to get an alarm at or after the event's 
start time, but for appointments etc it's more common to want a reminder 
before it happens.

In article <jollyroger-3B2AC1.16115312102008@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-8A8B11.16053212102008@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1iophuy.v50hmf1g0bf12N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
> >  mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> > 
> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of 
> > > > > the
> > > > > event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this 
> > > > > default.
> > > > > It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes 
> > > > > after)
> > > > > but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm 
> > > > > Jan 1
> > > > > the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> > > > 
> > > > Have you tried "0 minutes before"?
> > > 
> > > I could be wrong, but I got the impression that he wants to know if it's
> > > possible to change the default, so that he doesn't have to do it
> > > individually for each event.
> > 
> > That's not what i got from the first sentence; but maybe you're right.
> 
> Even so, it appears he can also to this with the *default* alarm 
> setting, in iCal preferences:
> 
> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/ical-alarm-defaults.png>

Thank you. Clear as day.  In Tiger there is no default alarm setting.  I 
thought I was going nuts.  :)  I do hope you're using Leopard...if not 
I'm going nuts.

In article <zzzzzz-09ABBD.22410012102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
 RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-3B2AC1.16115312102008@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <jollyroger-8A8B11.16053212102008@news.individual.net>,
> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <1iophuy.v50hmf1g0bf12N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
> > >  mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this 
> > > > > > default.
> > > > > > It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes 
> > > > > > after)
> > > > > > but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm 
> > > > > > Jan 1
> > > > > > the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 
> > > > > > 1.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have you tried "0 minutes before"?
> > > > 
> > > > I could be wrong, but I got the impression that he wants to know if 
> > > > it's
> > > > possible to change the default, so that he doesn't have to do it
> > > > individually for each event.
> > > 
> > > That's not what i got from the first sentence; but maybe you're right.
> > 
> > Even so, it appears he can also to this with the *default* alarm 
> > setting, in iCal preferences:
> > 
> > <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/ical-alarm-defaults.png>
> 
> Thank you. Clear as day.  In Tiger there is no default alarm setting.  I 
> thought I was going nuts.  :)  I do hope you're using Leopard...if not 
> I'm going nuts.

Yep - Leopard.

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In article 
<wayne.morris-18B7FD.17363012102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
 "Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> wrote:

> In article <zzzzzz-3F234B.13284812102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
>  RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
> > event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)
> 
> Yes.  Change the notification time to from "15 minutes before" to "0 
> minutes before".
> 
> > It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> > but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
> > the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.
> 
> No, I wouldn't think that, because iCal is a daytimer, not an alarm 
> clock.  If I have a class, meeting, or appointment at 3pm, I want an 
> alarm *before* 3pm so I have time to get there.  There may be some uses 
> for which it would make sense to get an alarm at or after the event's 
> start time, but for appointments etc it's more common to want a reminder 
> before it happens.

More good points.  What would the world do without you people?  In a 
word....less.  And waste a lot of time doing it.  :)

iCal is pretty good but it may be a little more involved than I need.  
What I'm looking for is simple reminders with alarms so I don't miss 
things when I'm at home.  I'm not synching with any portable device.  
The ability to drag an event from one day to another is a good feature 
though that I've learned to appreciate with iCal.  Being able to drag it 
to an approximate time would be good but I guess one can do that by 
changing to a daily or weekly view.  I'm usually on a monthly view.  .  
And something with fonts that were larger than microscopic would be most 
appreciated!

In article 
<wayne.morris-18B7FD.17363012102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
 "Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> wrote:

> In article <zzzzzz-3F234B.13284812102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
>  RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
> > event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)
> 
> Yes.  Change the notification time to from "15 minutes before" to "0 
> minutes before".

Thanks.
 
> > It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> > but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
> > the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.
> 
> No, I wouldn't think that, because iCal is a daytimer, not an alarm 
> clock.  If I have a class, meeting, or appointment at 3pm, I want an 
> alarm *before* 3pm so I have time to get there.  There may be some uses 
> for which it would make sense to get an alarm at or after the event's 
> start time, but for appointments etc it's more common to want a reminder 
> before it happens.

Makes sense.  What would you recommend for more of an alarm clock?  
Something you can input a quick title and time for.

In article <tZrIk.4066$yr3.875@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
 jack ak <akjack@excite.com> wrote:

> RiKN wrote:
> >> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
> >> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.  
> >> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> >> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
> >> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> > 
> > And to followup: what's with the clock in iCal?  I can't tell the 
> > difference between 1pm and 1am.  In International, Formats I thought it 
> > would be cool if 1am would be 01 and 1pm would be just 1.  That way it 
> > keeps everything clear and short.  But it seems to ignore these settings 
> > in iCal.  Did I miss something?  24 clocks for most people are confusing 
> > and prone to errors as people adjust to them though obviously they are 
> > the preferred method.  Factor in different time zones and its a 
> > nightmare.  So the simpler you can make telling the time, the better.  
> > What could be more clear and simple than just adding an 0 if the time is 
> > in the am?
> 
> Would you like to see 010:00 and 011:00?
> 
> People have trouble understanding 12AM and 12PM.

Right - good point.

In article <zzzzzz-6A75A8.22494612102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
 RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:

> In article <tZrIk.4066$yr3.875@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>  jack ak <akjack@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> > RiKN wrote:
> > >> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
> > >> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.  
> > >> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> > >> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
> > >> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> > > 
> > > And to followup: what's with the clock in iCal?  I can't tell the 
> > > difference between 1pm and 1am.  In International, Formats I thought it 
> > > would be cool if 1am would be 01 and 1pm would be just 1.  That way it 
> > > keeps everything clear and short.  But it seems to ignore these settings 
> > > in iCal.  Did I miss something?  24 clocks for most people are confusing 
> > > and prone to errors as people adjust to them though obviously they are 
> > > the preferred method.  Factor in different time zones and its a 
> > > nightmare.  So the simpler you can make telling the time, the better.  
> > > What could be more clear and simple than just adding an 0 if the time is 
> > > in the am?
> > 
> > Would you like to see 010:00 and 011:00?
> > 
> > People have trouble understanding 12AM and 12PM.
> 
> Right - good point.

That might be because AM and PM represent ante and post meridiem, 
respectively and the 12 hour points are neither ante nor post, but *at* 
meridiem.

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Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article <zzzzzz-6A75A8.22494612102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
>  RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article <tZrIk.4066$yr3.875@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>>  jack ak <akjack@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> RiKN wrote:
>>>>> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of the 
>>>>> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default.  
>>>>> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
>>>>> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 1 
>>>>> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
>>>> And to followup: what's with the clock in iCal?  I can't tell the 
>>>> difference between 1pm and 1am.  In International, Formats I thought it 
>>>> would be cool if 1am would be 01 and 1pm would be just 1.  That way it 
>>>> keeps everything clear and short.  But it seems to ignore these settings 
>>>> in iCal.  Did I miss something?  24 clocks for most people are confusing 
>>>> and prone to errors as people adjust to them though obviously they are 
>>>> the preferred method.  Factor in different time zones and its a 
>>>> nightmare.  So the simpler you can make telling the time, the better.  
>>>> What could be more clear and simple than just adding an 0 if the time is 
>>>> in the am?
>>> Would you like to see 010:00 and 011:00?
>>>
>>> People have trouble understanding 12AM and 12PM.
>> Right - good point.
> 
> That might be because AM and PM represent ante and post meridiem, 
> respectively and the 12 hour points are neither ante nor post, but *at* 
> meridiem.
> 

Clocks can't display values for infinitesimal time points.

There are assumptions made about the meaning of 12AM and 12PM.
The assumptions can be incorrect.

In article <wfNIk.2360$hc1.1302@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>,
 jack ak <akjack@excite.com> wrote:

> Tom Stiller wrote:
> > In article <zzzzzz-6A75A8.22494612102008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
> >  RiKN <zzzzzz@ZZZZ.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <tZrIk.4066$yr3.875@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> >>  jack ak <akjack@excite.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> RiKN wrote:
> >>>>> Is there any way of getting iCal to notify me at the precise time of 
> >>>>> the 
> >>>>> event?  (Not 15 minutes before.)  It seems to be stuck on this default. 
> >>>>>  
> >>>>> It gives many options (on date, on hour, minutes before, minutes after) 
> >>>>> but you would think that when its set to "on date" and that is 3pm Jan 
> >>>>> 1 
> >>>>> the alarm will go off at 3pm Jan 1.  But it defaults to 2:45pm Jan 1.
> >>>> And to followup: what's with the clock in iCal?  I can't tell the 
> >>>> difference between 1pm and 1am.  In International, Formats I thought it 
> >>>> would be cool if 1am would be 01 and 1pm would be just 1.  That way it 
> >>>> keeps everything clear and short.  But it seems to ignore these settings 
> >>>> in iCal.  Did I miss something?  24 clocks for most people are confusing 
> >>>> and prone to errors as people adjust to them though obviously they are 
> >>>> the preferred method.  Factor in different time zones and its a 
> >>>> nightmare.  So the simpler you can make telling the time, the better.  
> >>>> What could be more clear and simple than just adding an 0 if the time is 
> >>>> in the am?
> >>> Would you like to see 010:00 and 011:00?
> >>>
> >>> People have trouble understanding 12AM and 12PM.
> >> Right - good point.
> > 
> > That might be because AM and PM represent ante and post meridiem, 
> > respectively and the 12 hour points are neither ante nor post, but *at* 
> > meridiem.
> > 
> 
> Clocks can't display values for infinitesimal time points.

What does that have to do with *specifying* infinitesimal time points?  
Midnight and Noon do the job and are unambigious.
> 
> There are assumptions made about the meaning of 12AM and 12PM.
> The assumptions can be incorrect.

I have no idea what assumptions you're referring to.

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Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > There are assumptions made about the meaning of 12AM and 12PM.
> > The assumptions can be incorrect.
> 
> I have no idea what assumptions you're referring to.

What he may be getting at is that, since there's actually no such thing
as 12AM and 12PM, it's up to the individual to decide how they're being
misused. Which, for example, occurs between 11:59PM and 12:01AM?

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In article <1iorc8v.16ry05cvciz1N%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
 mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > > There are assumptions made about the meaning of 12AM and 12PM.
> > > The assumptions can be incorrect.
> > 
> > I have no idea what assumptions you're referring to.
> 
> What he may be getting at is that, since there's actually no such thing
> as 12AM and 12PM, it's up to the individual to decide how they're being
> misused. Which, for example, occurs between 11:59PM and 12:01AM?

Midnight.

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Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > > There are assumptions made about the meaning of 12AM and 12PM.
> > > > The assumptions can be incorrect.
> > > 
> > > I have no idea what assumptions you're referring to.
> > 
> > What he may be getting at is that, since there's actually no such thing
> > as 12AM and 12PM, it's up to the individual to decide how they're being
> > misused. Which, for example, occurs between 11:59PM and 12:01AM?
> 
> Midnight.

Exactly.

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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> There are assumptions made about the meaning of 12AM and 12PM.
>>>>> The assumptions can be incorrect.
>>>> I have no idea what assumptions you're referring to.
>>> What he may be getting at is that, since there's actually no such thing
>>> as 12AM and 12PM, it's up to the individual to decide how they're being
>>> misused. Which, for example, occurs between 11:59PM and 12:01AM?
>> Midnight.
> 
> Exactly.
> 

Not "Exactly"...
There are two minutes (120 seconds) between 11:59PM and 12:01AM.

If everyone accepted the "assumptions" there would be no discussion.
Definitions are required for digital clocks with AM/PM indicators.
By accepted definition 12PM is Noon and 12AM is Midnight.
The transition from AM to PM occurs only at Noon.

I accept the theory proposed by NIST...
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/timeq&a.htm

jack ak <akjack@excite.com> wrote:

> If everyone accepted the "assumptions" there would be no discussion.
> Definitions are required for digital clocks with AM/PM indicators.
> By accepted definition 12PM is Noon and 12AM is Midnight.
> The transition from AM to PM occurs only at Noon.
> 
> I accept the theory proposed by NIST...
> http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/timeq&a.htm

You mean the page they state the following?

"Are noon and midnight 12 a.m. or 12 p.m.?

"This is perhaps the trickiest time question of them all.  The best
answer is that the terms 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. cause confusion and should
not be used."

"To get around the problem, the terms 12 noon and 12 midnight should be
used instead of 12 a.m. and 12 p.m."


I rest my case.

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