If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific 
sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it 
isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?

In article <bob-FD86C5.10453713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:

> If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific 
> sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it 
> isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?

Is this a Lion issue?  I'm using Snow Leopard, and when I enter 
something in the Search box, I get a set of buttons letting me choose 
where to search: Entire Message, From, To, Subject.  And Entire Message 
appears to search the from field.

-- 
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Arlington, MA
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In article <barmar-519878.11084513022012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <bob-FD86C5.10453713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
>  Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> 
> > If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific 
> > sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it 
> > isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?
> 
> Is this a Lion issue?  I'm using Snow Leopard, and when I enter 
> something in the Search box, I get a set of buttons letting me choose 
> where to search: Entire Message, From, To, Subject.  And Entire Message 
> appears to search the from field.

Sorry.  Yes it is a Lion issue.  I don't recall having this problem with 
Snow Leopard.  You might say that sorting the From column is enough, and 
it is if you are just looking through a relatively small mailbox.  
However, if you are looking through all your mail folders it is a problem

In article <bob-175344.12410713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:

> In article <barmar-519878.11084513022012@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > In article <bob-FD86C5.10453713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
> >  Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific 
> > > sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it 
> > > isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?
> > 
> > Is this a Lion issue?  I'm using Snow Leopard, and when I enter 
> > something in the Search box, I get a set of buttons letting me choose 
> > where to search: Entire Message, From, To, Subject.  And Entire Message 
> > appears to search the from field.
> 
> Sorry.  Yes it is a Lion issue.  I don't recall having this problem with 
> Snow Leopard.  You might say that sorting the From column is enough, and 
> it is if you are just looking through a relatively small mailbox.  
> However, if you are looking through all your mail folders it is a problem

I don't see that behavior (Mail.app Version 5.2 (1257)) Mac OS X 10.7.3.
When I enter an item in the search field, I get a pop-up showing a 
separated list of:
People containing the search item,
Subjects containing the search item,
Mailboxes containing the search item.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

In article <tom_stiller-EA0A1E.13351713022012@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't see that behavior (Mail.app Version 5.2 (1257)) Mac OS X 10.7.3.
> When I enter an item in the search field, I get a pop-up showing a 
> separated list of:
> People containing the search item,
> Subjects containing the search item,
> Mailboxes containing the search item.

I get that as well, but the People list does not include all the people 
it should.  I will give you an example.

Under a mailbox I call "Mailing Lists and Licenses" I have an entry for 
"Datacolor Software Activation."  At least that is the way it shows up 
in the From list.  Searching on "data" in "All" mailboxes only brings up 
persons called "Datacolor DCS Support" and "Datacolor Newsletter."  I am 
trying to find out how to force it to show "Datacolor Software 
Activation" as a choice.

In article <bob-24C5EA.14442713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:

> In article <tom_stiller-EA0A1E.13351713022012@news.individual.net>,
>  Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > I don't see that behavior (Mail.app Version 5.2 (1257)) Mac OS X 10.7.3.
> > When I enter an item in the search field, I get a pop-up showing a 
> > separated list of:
> > People containing the search item,
> > Subjects containing the search item,
> > Mailboxes containing the search item.
> 
> I get that as well, but the People list does not include all the people 
> it should.  I will give you an example.
> 
> Under a mailbox I call "Mailing Lists and Licenses" I have an entry for 
> "Datacolor Software Activation."  At least that is the way it shows up 
> in the From list.  Searching on "data" in "All" mailboxes only brings up 
> persons called "Datacolor DCS Support" and "Datacolor Newsletter."  I am 
> trying to find out how to force it to show "Datacolor Software 
> Activation" as a choice.

I haven't seen that.  Have you tried rebuilding the mailbox(es)?
Menubar->Mailbox-> Rebuild

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

In article <tom_stiller-66F859.15554813022012@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <bob-24C5EA.14442713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
>  Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <tom_stiller-EA0A1E.13351713022012@news.individual.net>,
> >  Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I don't see that behavior (Mail.app Version 5.2 (1257)) Mac OS X 10.7.3.
> > > When I enter an item in the search field, I get a pop-up showing a 
> > > separated list of:
> > > People containing the search item,
> > > Subjects containing the search item,
> > > Mailboxes containing the search item.
> > 
> > I get that as well, but the People list does not include all the people 
> > it should.  I will give you an example.
> > 
> > Under a mailbox I call "Mailing Lists and Licenses" I have an entry for 
> > "Datacolor Software Activation."  At least that is the way it shows up 
> > in the From list.  Searching on "data" in "All" mailboxes only brings up 
> > persons called "Datacolor DCS Support" and "Datacolor Newsletter."  I am 
> > trying to find out how to force it to show "Datacolor Software 
> > Activation" as a choice.

I just did a search in mail same version and OS that you have and a pop 
up menu appeared below the search box with a list titled People, and a 
list titled Subject, the People list would seem to be what you are 
looking for.

In article <tom_stiller-66F859.15554813022012@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Under a mailbox I call "Mailing Lists and Licenses" I have an entry for 
> > "Datacolor Software Activation."  At least that is the way it shows up 
> > in the From list.  Searching on "data" in "All" mailboxes only brings up 
> > persons called "Datacolor DCS Support" and "Datacolor Newsletter."  I am 
> > trying to find out how to force it to show "Datacolor Software 
> > Activation" as a choice.
> 
> I haven't seen that.  Have you tried rebuilding the mailbox(es)?
> Menubar->Mailbox-> Rebuild

No.  I just did it.  No joy.  It must be something else.

In article <once-B6C91F.13325213022012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Gerry <once@around-the-block.org> wrote:

> > > Under a mailbox I call "Mailing Lists and Licenses" I have an entry for 
> > > "Datacolor Software Activation."  At least that is the way it shows up 
> > > in the From list.  Searching on "data" in "All" mailboxes only brings up 
> > > persons called "Datacolor DCS Support" and "Datacolor Newsletter."  I am 
> > > trying to find out how to force it to show "Datacolor Software 
> > > Activation" as a choice.
> 
> I just did a search in mail same version and OS that you have and a pop 
> up menu appeared below the search box with a list titled People, and a 
> list titled Subject, the People list would seem to be what you are 
> looking for.

I get the people list but it doesn't include "Datacolor Software 
Activation."

In article <bob-FD86C5.10453713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:

> If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific 
> sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it 
> isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?

I'm using Lion and typing a full or partial name in Mail's search field 
works fine here. It starts sorting the list immediately as I type, and 
even lets me choose from matching people. subjects, and mailboxes in the 
Search menu:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/mail/search.png> 

Obviously, if you are searching for a person, what you have in your 
address book for that person will need to match the text you are typing 
to find them.

If you want help with this, I think you'll need to give us more 
information about the particular things you are typing and what shows up 
in the Search menu while you type them.

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On 02-14-2012 16:03, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Obviously, if you are searching for a person, what you have in your
> address book for that person will need to match the text you are typing
> to find them.

Sounds a little bit like the issue I had sometime ago.
Mail would auto-complete an address that was NOT in my address book,
but would not find it in search.


-- 
Wes Groleau

    From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
    From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
    From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
    O God of Truth, deliver us.
                 --Leslie Dixon Weatherhead
                 --Rabbi Mordechai M. Kaplan
                 --ancient prayer
                 --unknown
                 --(no attempt at attribution)
(a thousand thanks to someone who can tell me who
  really wrote it AND persuade me they're not making it up!)

In article <jhf4h4$ujs$2@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 02-14-2012 16:03, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > Obviously, if you are searching for a person, what you have in your
> > address book for that person will need to match the text you are typing
> > to find them.
> 
> Sounds a little bit like the issue I had sometime ago.
> Mail would auto-complete an address that was NOT in my address book,
> but would not find it in search.

If you search by the person's name, then it should find them either way, 
assuming you have their name correctly entered into Address Book.

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On 2012-02-13 15:45:37 +0000, Robert Peirce said:

> If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific
> sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it
> isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?

I don't understand.  If I sort on the "from" field with the parent 
"Inbox" selected, then type in a piece of the name in the search field 
it provides a subset of the "from" users just fine.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

On 02-15-2012 08:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>   Wes Groleau<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>  wrote:
>> Sounds a little bit like the issue I had sometime ago.
>> Mail would auto-complete an address that was NOT in my address book,
>> but would not find it in search.
>
> If you search by the person's name, then it should find them either way,
> assuming you have their name correctly entered into Address Book.

I said "was NOT in my address book"

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
    But I'm not so sure about the universe.”
                                — Albert Einstein

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> > In article <barmar-519878.11084513022012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <bob-FD86C5.10453713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
> >>  Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific
> >>> sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it
> >>> isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?
> >> 
> >> Is this a Lion issue?  I'm using Snow Leopard, and when I enter 
> >> something in the Search box, I get a set of buttons letting me choose
> >> where to search: Entire Message, From, To, Subject.  And Entire Message
> >> appears to search the from field.
> > 
> > Sorry.  Yes it is a Lion issue.  I don't recall having this problem with
> > Snow Leopard.  You might say that sorting the From column is enough, and
> > it is if you are just looking through a relatively small mailbox.  
> > However, if you are looking through all your mail folders it is a problem
> 
> And yet people keep telling me my suspicions of upgrades are unfounded . .
> .

I'm sticking with Snow Leopard and my advice has always been to stay a
version behind if you can. Let others deal with new badly thought out
design and bugs.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

In article <1kfkvvr.ph6m3unvltvkN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
> > Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> > > In article <barmar-519878.11084513022012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> In article <bob-FD86C5.10453713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
> > >>  Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific
> > >>> sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it
> > >>> isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?
> > >> 
> > >> Is this a Lion issue?  I'm using Snow Leopard, and when I enter 
> > >> something in the Search box, I get a set of buttons letting me choose
> > >> where to search: Entire Message, From, To, Subject.  And Entire Message
> > >> appears to search the from field.
> > > 
> > > Sorry.  Yes it is a Lion issue.  I don't recall having this problem with
> > > Snow Leopard.  You might say that sorting the From column is enough, and
> > > it is if you are just looking through a relatively small mailbox.  
> > > However, if you are looking through all your mail folders it is a problem
> > 
> > And yet people keep telling me my suspicions of upgrades are unfounded . .
> > .
> 
> I'm sticking with Snow Leopard and my advice has always been to stay a
> version behind if you can. Let others deal with new badly thought out
> design and bugs.

That's certainly a good strategy for some people and in some situations.

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In article <jhhogh$dp4$1@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 02-15-2012 08:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >   Wes Groleau<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>  wrote:
> >> Sounds a little bit like the issue I had sometime ago.
> >> Mail would auto-complete an address that was NOT in my address book,
> >> but would not find it in search.
> >
> > If you search by the person's name, then it should find them either way,
> > assuming you have their name correctly entered into Address Book.
> 
> I said "was NOT in my address book"

Oh sorry I hadn't read that all the way through. The issue you mention 
is not the same issue as the OP.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <1kfkvvr.ph6m3unvltvkN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
[snip]
> > > And yet people keep telling me my suspicions of upgrades are unfounded
> > > . . .
> > 
> > I'm sticking with Snow Leopard and my advice has always been to stay a
> > version behind if you can. Let others deal with new badly thought out
> > design and bugs.
> 
> That's certainly a good strategy for some people and in some situations.

And totally workable for users as Apple and third party support
continues for at least the previous version of OSX, with few exceptions.
Those exceptions would be brand new software built for the latest OS
only, and that's breaking my one version behind rule anyway :-)

It's important to remember the latest and greatest aint always so great
right off the bat. Also staying one version behind can lead to cost
savings if you're thrifty, as the previous version is often heavily
discounted new or secondhand. Not to mention avoiding the downtime and
losses from having to deal with buggy new software.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

On 02-16-2012 04:05, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> I'm sticking with Snow Leopard and my advice has always been to stay a
> version behind if you can. Let others deal with new badly thought out
> design and bugs.

And they're already promising "Mountain Lion"
with "all-new features inspired by iPad."

-- 
Wes Groleau

    “It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it 
goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the 
world.”
                       — Thomas Jefferson

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:14:57 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:

> On 02-16-2012 04:05, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>> I'm sticking with Snow Leopard and my advice has always been to stay a
>> version behind if you can. Let others deal with new badly thought out
>> design and bugs.
> 
> And they're already promising "Mountain Lion" with "all-new features
> inspired by iPad."

There's some of it here:

<http://mashable.com/2012/02/16/apple-mountain-lion-mac-osx/>

But note that there are still a lot of folks staying with Snow Leopard, 
for the moment at least:

"OS 10.7, or Lion, launched in July 2011; 30% of Mac users now have it 
installed. (Another 50% of us still favor Snow Leopard)."


-- 
Paul Sture

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <barmar-519878.11084513022012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> In article <bob-FD86C5.10453713022012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
> >>>>  Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> If I sort a mailbox on the from field, I can find mail from a specific
> >>>>> sender, but if I enter that name in the search field for that mailbox it
> >>>>> isn't found.  How can I force search to search that field?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Is this a Lion issue?  I'm using Snow Leopard, and when I enter 
> >>>> something in the Search box, I get a set of buttons letting me choose
> >>>> where to search: Entire Message, From, To, Subject.  And Entire Message
> >>>> appears to search the from field.
> >>> 
> >>> Sorry.  Yes it is a Lion issue.  I don't recall having this problem with
> >>> Snow Leopard.  You might say that sorting the From column is enough, and
> >>> it is if you are just looking through a relatively small mailbox.
> >>> However, if you are looking through all your mail folders it is a problem
> >> 
> >> And yet people keep telling me my suspicions of upgrades are unfounded . .
> >> .
> > 
> > I'm sticking with Snow Leopard and my advice has always been to stay a
> > version behind if you can. Let others deal with new badly thought out
> > design and bugs.
> 
> That's about where I hang out.  I do upgrade eventually, but long after
> everyone else 8-)

Nowadays about the only thing I do rush to update are multiplayer games
and software that's already buggy (or buggy ebough for me to care and a
fix is promised in the update), excepting some software I beta test.
Everything else can wait till I need a feature, something breaks due to
other updates, or there's a sale on a new version and it's nothing
critical.
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