Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update 
my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can 
finish the installation.

Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?

Is there any reason not to disable this?

And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?

In article <jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update 
> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can 
> finish the installation.
> 
> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?

Ask Microsoft. They probably just have a silly rule built into their 
updater that says "quit all web browsers first". 

> Is there any reason not to disable this?

Again, ask Microsoft.

> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?

Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some 
of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look 
inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named 
Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps 
application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download 
that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it 
wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article<jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>   Bread<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>  wrote:
>
>> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
>> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
>> finish the installation.
>>
>> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?
>
> Ask Microsoft. They probably just have a silly rule built into their
> updater that says "quit all web browsers first".
>
>> Is there any reason not to disable this?
>
> Again, ask Microsoft.
>
>> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?
>
> Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some
> of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look
> inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named
> Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps
> application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download
> that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it
> wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.
>
To make an install better.

Restart in SafeMode (shift key down while restarting).

The run the installer. don't open anything other than 
Word/Excel/PowerPoint and go to Help Menu> look for updates. Once the 
icon of the Microsoft Updater is on Dock. click and hold on its Dock 
Icon. choose options and chooke keep in dock.
Now that Auto Updater is running quit whatever Office program you have 
open. Good way to corrupt an install is install over top a running 
application.

In Safe Mode all background task not apple's will be killed and not 
allowed to work this includes The Microsoft Daemon in the  Accounts > 
login items.


Install the Office2011 14.2.0 and the 14.2.1 install.
Repair permissions at start of install and in between and at end all the 
install.

Restart computer Normally.

Open FntBook select all fonts and go to resolve conflicts (if it is in 
Bold, not grayed out).

once resolve conflicts has been run. go to disabled fonts in each 
library. (User> Library and Main >library) and remove any to desktop 
make a zip archive of them and keep them in a Folder other than in any 
of the library folders. (make sure to keep the newest versions and 
remove the oldest.).

Now try an Office Application. See if works.


If this don't help  go to user> Library Preferences and remove the 
com.microsoft.word. plist (or excel.plist, or powerpoint.plist or all 
three) and Try. (remove while application is quit).

Finally repeat the above pluse remove the Microsoft Folder in the user> 
Preference Folder/directory)

That should fix most strange issues with Office Apps.

In article <4FA050BD.4060600@kimbanet.com>,
 PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article<jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> >   Bread<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>  wrote:
> >
> >> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
> >> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
> >> finish the installation.
> >>
> >> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?
> >
> > Ask Microsoft. They probably just have a silly rule built into their
> > updater that says "quit all web browsers first".
> >
> >> Is there any reason not to disable this?
> >
> > Again, ask Microsoft.
> >
> >> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?
> >
> > Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some
> > of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look
> > inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named
> > Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps
> > application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download
> > that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it
> > wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.
> >
> To make an install better.

[snipped a bunch of steps that won't have any effect on the stated 
problem]

> That should fix most strange issues with Office Apps.

He wasn't having any strange issues with Office applications. Read it 
again.

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On 2012-05-01 19:23:02 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> In article <jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>  Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
> 
>> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?
> 
> Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some
> of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look
> inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named
> Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps
> application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download
> that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it
> wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.

Totally not worth the hassle.

Thanks much, JR.

Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article<4FA050BD.4060600@kimbanet.com>,
>   PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> In article<jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>>>    Bread<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
>>>> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
>>>> finish the installation.
>>>>
>>>> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?
>>>
>>> Ask Microsoft. They probably just have a silly rule built into their
>>> updater that says "quit all web browsers first".
>>>
>>>> Is there any reason not to disable this?
>>>
>>> Again, ask Microsoft.
>>>
>>>> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?
>>>
>>> Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some
>>> of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look
>>> inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named
>>> Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps
>>> application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download
>>> that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it
>>> wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.
>>>
>> To make an install better.
>
> [snipped a bunch of steps that won't have any effect on the stated
> problem]
>
>> That should fix most strange issues with Office Apps.
>
> He wasn't having any strange issues with Office applications. Read it
> again.
>
Actually the first part referring to FireFox being open is eliminated by 
the first step Restart in Safe Mode and run the Microsoft Updater 
directly.  If there was any other browser open.

SeaMonkey
FireFox
Camino
Opera
Opera Next
OminWeb
Chrome
iCab
Safari
Aurora

the message will be the same same except for the browser open.

In article <jnq51e$eh9$1@news.albasani.net>,
 PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article<4FA050BD.4060600@kimbanet.com>,
> >   PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> Jolly Roger wrote:
> >>> In article<jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> >>>    Bread<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
> >>>> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
> >>>> finish the installation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?
> >>>
> >>> Ask Microsoft. They probably just have a silly rule built into their
> >>> updater that says "quit all web browsers first".
> >>>
> >>>> Is there any reason not to disable this?
> >>>
> >>> Again, ask Microsoft.
> >>>
> >>>> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?
> >>>
> >>> Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some
> >>> of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look
> >>> inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named
> >>> Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps
> >>> application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download
> >>> that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it
> >>> wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.
> >>>
> >> To make an install better.
> >
> > [snipped a bunch of steps that won't have any effect on the stated
> > problem]
> >
> >> That should fix most strange issues with Office Apps.
> >
> > He wasn't having any strange issues with Office applications. Read it
> > again.
> >
> Actually the first part referring to FireFox being open is eliminated by 
> the first step Restart in Safe Mode and run the Microsoft Updater 
> directly.  If there was any other browser open.

No, actually, the whole point of his question is that he doesn't want to 
quit Firefox. Restarting would force him to not only quit Firefox, but 
also every other application he has running. Why not suggest that he 
disconnect all peripherals and external hard drives while you're at it? 
It makes no sense.

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On 2012-05-02 03:52:33 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> No, actually, the whole point of his question is that he doesn't want to
> quit Firefox. Restarting would force him to not only quit Firefox, but
> also every other application he has running. Why not suggest that he
> disconnect all peripherals and external hard drives while you're at it?
> It makes no sense.

Spot on.  But if I'm going to go all the way to disconnecting all the 
peripherals and such, I'm planning on sacrificing a goat, too, damnit.

(I know, since we're no longer using SCSI the goat is optional rather 
than mandatory, but I figure that afterwards, I should at least have 
kebabs)

(Thanks anyway, Phillip)

Damn.  Now I'm hungry.

Salut Philip

In article <jnq51e$eh9$1@news.albasani.net>,
 PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article<4FA050BD.4060600@kimbanet.com>,
> >   PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> Jolly Roger wrote:
> >>> In article<jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> >>>    Bread<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
> >>>> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
> >>>> finish the installation.

> Actually the first part referring to FireFox being open is eliminated by 
> the first step Restart in Safe Mode and run the Microsoft Updater 
> directly.  If there was any other browser open.
> 
> SeaMonkey
> FireFox
> Camino
> Opera
> Opera Next
> OminWeb
> Chrome
> iCab
> Safari
> Aurora
> 
> the message will be the same same except for the browser open.

no. The Updater checks only for Safar, Firedox and Google Chrome. If any 
other browser is open, you won't be notified.

Cheers
Andreas

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In article <jnqc7h$o23$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> On 2012-05-02 03:52:33 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
> > No, actually, the whole point of his question is that he doesn't want to
> > quit Firefox. Restarting would force him to not only quit Firefox, but
> > also every other application he has running. Why not suggest that he
> > disconnect all peripherals and external hard drives while you're at it?
> > It makes no sense.
> 
> Spot on.  But if I'm going to go all the way to disconnecting all the 
> peripherals and such, I'm planning on sacrificing a goat, too, damnit.
> 
> (I know, since we're no longer using SCSI the goat is optional rather 
> than mandatory, but I figure that afterwards, I should at least have 
> kebabs)
> 
> (Thanks anyway, Phillip)
> 
> Damn.  Now I'm hungry.

: D

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On Tue, 01 May 2012 12:02:35 -0700, Bread wrote:

> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
> finish the installation.
> 
> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?
> 
> Is there any reason not to disable this?
> 
> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?

Sharepoint is a Microsoft product which facilitates document sharing in 
an enterprise.  I believe you can access a variety of documents from a 
web browser, hence the plugin. Sharepoint also allows you to create web 
sites:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharepoint#Applications

If you don't use it, then you shouldn't need to install the plugin.

-- 
Paul Sture

On 2012-05-02 14:28:05 +0000, Paul Sture said:
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharepoint#Applications
> 
> If you don't use it, then you shouldn't need to install the plugin.

Sure wish Microsoft would recognize that.  It installs it whether I 
want it or not, and, as started this thread, therefore requires that I 
kill off my browser in order to update Office because of it.

Oh well.

How well does Sharepoint even work on a Mac, anyway?  We used it in a 
former employer's windows-centric universe a while ago (and it drove me 
nuts, since I did most of my work there on a linux box, which was 
scandalous.).  At the time, IIRC, if you weren't on Windows using IE, 
you basically couldn't use any of this stuff.

On 05-02-2012 19:15, Bread wrote:
> How well does Sharepoint even work on a Mac, anyway?  We used it in a
> former employer's windows-centric universe a while ago (and it drove me
> nuts, since I did most of my work there on a linux box, which was
> scandalous.).  At the time, IIRC, if you weren't on Windows using IE,
> you basically couldn't use any of this stuff.

You need Windows and IIS to host and develop Sharepoint, but you can 
_view_ most of it with any browser.  It does generate tons of Javascript 
and CSS, however, and in keeping with its FrontPage ancestry,
a bit of unnecessary HTML cruft.  So it shouldn't be a surprise that
some of it fails on other browsers.  Kind of a surprise that most of it 
does work.

http://www.parkview.com

is a public Sharepoint site.  It works pretty well on other browsers.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
    intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
    from the common culture.  Near as I can tell, this coincides with
    the release of MS-DOS.
                                  — Larry DeLuca

Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article<jnq51e$eh9$1@news.albasani.net>,
>   PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> In article<4FA050BD.4060600@kimbanet.com>,
>>>    PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> In article<jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
>>>>>     Bread<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
>>>>>> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
>>>>>> finish the installation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask Microsoft. They probably just have a silly rule built into their
>>>>> updater that says "quit all web browsers first".
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any reason not to disable this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, ask Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some
>>>>> of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look
>>>>> inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named
>>>>> Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps
>>>>> application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download
>>>>> that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it
>>>>> wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.
>>>>>
>>>> To make an install better.
>>>
>>> [snipped a bunch of steps that won't have any effect on the stated
>>> problem]
>>>
>>>> That should fix most strange issues with Office Apps.
>>>
>>> He wasn't having any strange issues with Office applications. Read it
>>> again.
>>>
>> Actually the first part referring to FireFox being open is eliminated by
>> the first step Restart in Safe Mode and run the Microsoft Updater
>> directly.  If there was any other browser open.
>
> No, actually, the whole point of his question is that he doesn't want to
> quit Firefox. Restarting would force him to not only quit Firefox, but
> also every other application he has running. Why not suggest that he
> disconnect all peripherals and external hard drives while you're at it?
> It makes no sense.
>
why does he need to continue Firefox. The MS Updater doesn't depend upon 
any Browser running,

And what usually mess up Office Update  is the Microsoft Daemon in the 
System > Accounts > Logins.

  if that is working that will screw up install most of the time.

And if you when you quit FireFox choose quit and save session will open 
it exactly where you left off even down to your open tabs.



-- 
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In article <jnsqlc$akn$1@dont-email.me>,
 Phillip Jones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article<jnq51e$eh9$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >   PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> Jolly Roger wrote:
> >>> In article<4FA050BD.4060600@kimbanet.com>,
> >>>    PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
> >>>>> In article<jnpc0b$bg6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> >>>>>     Bread<BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>    wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Just curious if anyone knows why, when I use Microsoft Update to update
> >>>>>> my copy of Office, it insists that I kill off Firefox before it can
> >>>>>> finish the installation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Was it the Sharepoint browser plugin?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ask Microsoft. They probably just have a silly rule built into their
> >>>>> updater that says "quit all web browsers first".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there any reason not to disable this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, ask Microsoft.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> And a way to tell MS Office Update not to add/update this thing?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not easily, no. Mac OS X installers often use shell scripts to do some
> >>>>> of the pre- and post-processing in their installers. I just took a look
> >>>>> inside of the Office 2011 14.2.0 updater, and I see a package named
> >>>>> Office2011_all_quit_14.2.0.combo.pkg that appears to have the QuitApps
> >>>>> application that is responsible. So while you might be able to download
> >>>>> that installer, modify it, then run it to get the behavior you want, it
> >>>>> wouldn't apply to all other updates. Sorry.
> >>>>>
> >>>> To make an install better.
> >>>
> >>> [snipped a bunch of steps that won't have any effect on the stated
> >>> problem]
> >>>
> >>>> That should fix most strange issues with Office Apps.
> >>>
> >>> He wasn't having any strange issues with Office applications. Read it
> >>> again.
> >>>
> >> Actually the first part referring to FireFox being open is eliminated by
> >> the first step Restart in Safe Mode and run the Microsoft Updater
> >> directly.  If there was any other browser open.
> >
> > No, actually, the whole point of his question is that he doesn't want to
> > quit Firefox. Restarting would force him to not only quit Firefox, but
> > also every other application he has running. Why not suggest that he
> > disconnect all peripherals and external hard drives while you're at it?
> > It makes no sense.
> >
> why does he need to continue Firefox

Because he doesn't want to quit Firefox! I feel like we are talking in 
circles, and I'm getting bored now. I'm done. Feel free to continue 
without me. Have fun.

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On Wed, 02 May 2012 22:31:05 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:

> And if you when you quit FireFox choose quit and save session will open
> it exactly where you left off even down to your open tabs.

Only if you have set that option in Firefox.  By default it doesn't.

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On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:15:24 -0700, Bread wrote:

> On 2012-05-02 14:28:05 +0000, Paul Sture said:
>> 
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharepoint#Applications
>> 
>> If you don't use it, then you shouldn't need to install the plugin.
> 
> Sure wish Microsoft would recognize that.  It installs it whether I want
> it or not, and, as started this thread, therefore requires that I kill
> off my browser in order to update Office because of it.
> 
> Oh well.

Oh, I thought from your earlier post that it was optional.

> 
> How well does Sharepoint even work on a Mac, anyway?  We used it in a
> former employer's windows-centric universe a while ago (and it drove me
> nuts, since I did most of my work there on a linux box, which was
> scandalous.).  At the time, IIRC, if you weren't on Windows using IE,
> you basically couldn't use any of this stuff.

I have no experience of it myself, but I can tell you that when someone 
was looking for a document sharing system recently up came the suggestion:

"Install Sharepoint and suffer like the rest of us". :-)



-- 
Paul Sture

Paul Sture wrote:
> On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:15:24 -0700, Bread wrote:
>
>> On 2012-05-02 14:28:05 +0000, Paul Sture said:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharepoint#Applications
>>>
>>> If you don't use it, then you shouldn't need to install the plugin.
>>
>> Sure wish Microsoft would recognize that.  It installs it whether I want
>> it or not, and, as started this thread, therefore requires that I kill
>> off my browser in order to update Office because of it.
>>
>> Oh well.
>
> Oh, I thought from your earlier post that it was optional.
>
>>
>> How well does Sharepoint even work on a Mac, anyway?  We used it in a
>> former employer's windows-centric universe a while ago (and it drove me
>> nuts, since I did most of my work there on a linux box, which was
>> scandalous.).  At the time, IIRC, if you weren't on Windows using IE,
>> you basically couldn't use any of this stuff.
>
> I have no experience of it myself, but I can tell you that when someone
> was looking for a document sharing system recently up came the suggestion:
>
> "Install Sharepoint and suffer like the rest of us". :-)
>
>
>
Share Point and SkyDrive both work fine in Office Mac
You have to wait for them to initialize And you have to have a LiveID 
account. and sign in  the first time.

On 2012-05-03 02:31:05 +0000, Phillip Jones said:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> No, actually, the whole point of his question is that he doesn't want to
>> quit Firefox. Restarting would force him to not only quit Firefox, but
>> also every other application he has running. Why not suggest that he
>> disconnect all peripherals and external hard drives while you're at it?
>> It makes no sense.
>> 
> why does he need to continue Firefox. The MS Updater doesn't depend 
> upon any Browser running,

Phillip, my question was simply "why does MS Updater care if I have 
FireFox running?"  I pretty much always have FireFox running and it 
just annoyed me that when I wanted to update Office, it insisted that I 
quit FireFox for no good reason.

Turns out the reason was almost certainly the Sharepoint plug-in, which 
I don't use, don't want, don't need, and there's no good reason for 
Firefox to have to be quit to update Office -- except that MS's updater 
doesn't give me the option to leave out the sharepoint plug-in and 
won't run until I quite FF.  It's just annoying, that's all.

> And if you when you quit FireFox choose quit and save session will open 
> it exactly where you left off even down to your open tabs.

Not the point.  The point is that maybe I'm *using* FF and don't want 
to have to stop everything I'm doing just to update Office - and 
there's no good reason I should have to.

On the flip side, of course, FF goes nuts on a fairly regular basis and 
I have to force-quit it, but it's no worse, in my experience, than any 
of the other browsers, and it has enough advantages over the others 
that I stick with it.  (Odds are, of course, that the "goes nuts" - ie. 
"application not responding" - is related to the various plug-ins in 
the first place)

On 05-03-2012 03:07, Paul Sture wrote:
> I have no experience of it myself, but I can tell you that when someone
> was looking for a document sharing system recently up came the suggestion:
>
> "Install Sharepoint and suffer like the rest of us". :-)

My experience as both a Sharepoint developer and user for a few years is 
that there are three possible reasons for that:

1. Insufficient training in effective use of it.

2. Users who refuse to learn.

3. Developers who don't really understand it.

#2 is the sort of person who taps 'x' a zillion times in 'vi' even after 
being taught how to use 'dd' with a number in front of it.

#3 is the sort of person who uses the space bar and the return key to 
format documents in Word or Pages.

Don't get me wrong, though--I'm not thrilled with the innards of 
Sharepoint, which would make Rube Goldberg jealous.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   He that complies against his will is of the same opinion still.
                   — Samuel Butler, 1612-1680

On Thu, 03 May 2012 22:37:50 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:

> On 05-03-2012 03:07, Paul Sture wrote:
>> I have no experience of it myself, but I can tell you that when someone
>> was looking for a document sharing system recently up came the
>> suggestion:
>>
>> "Install Sharepoint and suffer like the rest of us". :-)
> 
> My experience as both a Sharepoint developer and user for a few years is
> that there are three possible reasons for that:
> 
> 1. Insufficient training in effective use of it.
> 
> 2. Users who refuse to learn.
> 
> 3. Developers who don't really understand it.
> 
> #2 is the sort of person who taps 'x' a zillion times in 'vi' even after
> being taught how to use 'dd' with a number in front of it.
> 
> #3 is the sort of person who uses the space bar and the return key to
> format documents in Word or Pages.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, though--I'm not thrilled with the innards of
> Sharepoint, which would make Rube Goldberg jealous.

Thanks for the clarification.



-- 
Paul Sture