[also multi-posted to a UK group]


I may be grasping at straws here, seeing as not many people actually
seem to use this browser, but....

Omniweb 5 beta 6 on OSX 10.3 has just 'stopped working'. It will load
fine and without any problems, but as soon as I navigate more than a
couple of pages, it just stops. The progress dominoes spin, and the
progress window shows that it is *trying* to do something but not
actually doing anything. 

If I open a new window, it will get stuck at "Waiting for available
connection" - and this is whilst loading a local file (the "buy me"
start page).

All this time, it is using all remaining CPU cycles - even if I close
all the windows, it *still* uses 80-90% CPU. If I attempt to quit, it
will hang - it pinwheels and doesn't actually quit. I have to force-quit
it.

Since upgrading to beta 6 it seems to have been very CPU-greedy, meaning
that at one point I had to force-quit. Since that point it has been
misbehaving.

I have:
 - deleted "~/Library/Application Support/Omniweb 5" and all contents
 - deleted "~/Library/Preferences/com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5.plist
 - replaced /Applications/Omniweb with a fresh copy
 - restarted my machine
 - repaired permissions

and it's *still* misbehaving. I don't know what else I can do to 'clean'
Omniweb and get it to start over as if installed for the first time. Can
anyone suggest anything?

        -zoara-




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zoara <me3@privacy.net> wrote:

> Omniweb 5 beta 6 on OSX 10.3 has just 'stopped working'. 

It's a beta. If you're using it, you are a beta tester. You have
apparently found a bug. Good; that is exactly a beta tester's job. Omni
would like bugs reported to them; that is *why* they have opened their
betas to the public. Report the matter to them. m.

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matt neuburg wrote:

Why (opinion query here but please spare us a
flame war) would I want Omniweb if I have Safari
and (shudder) Internet Exploder?

-- 
Wes Groleau

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whom are you going to speak it to?
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In article <1gdn9vt.1qqf0usyrec4sN%me3@privacy.net>,
 me3@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:

> [also multi-posted to a UK group]
> 
> 
> I may be grasping at straws here, seeing as not many people actually
> seem to use this browser, but....
> 
> Omniweb 5 beta 6 on OSX 10.3 has just 'stopped working'. It will load
> fine and without any problems, but as soon as I navigate more than a
> couple of pages, it just stops. The progress dominoes spin, and the
> progress window shows that it is *trying* to do something but not
> actually doing anything. 
> 
> If I open a new window, it will get stuck at "Waiting for available
> connection" - and this is whilst loading a local file (the "buy me"
> start page).
> 
> All this time, it is using all remaining CPU cycles - even if I close
> all the windows, it *still* uses 80-90% CPU. If I attempt to quit, it
> will hang - it pinwheels and doesn't actually quit. I have to force-quit
> it.
> 
> Since upgrading to beta 6 it seems to have been very CPU-greedy, meaning
> that at one point I had to force-quit. Since that point it has been
> misbehaving.
> 
> I have:
>  - deleted "~/Library/Application Support/Omniweb 5" and all contents
>  - deleted "~/Library/Preferences/com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5.plist
>  - replaced /Applications/Omniweb with a fresh copy
>  - restarted my machine
>  - repaired permissions
> 
> and it's *still* misbehaving. I don't know what else I can do to 'clean'
> Omniweb and get it to start over as if installed for the first time. Can
> anyone suggest anything?
> 
>         -zoara-

It's very buggy.  I wouldn't buy it until it's fixed.

In article <tLqdnUAPA7k2OjzdRVn-sQ@gbronline.com>,
 Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

> matt neuburg wrote:
> 
> Why (opinion query here but please spare us a
> flame war) would I want Omniweb if I have Safari
> and (shudder) Internet Exploder?

OmniWeb has a much more mature and refined feature set than Safari and 
IE.  It can be quickly customized for simple surfing or for power users 
and web developers.

My gripes are that OmniWeb has always crashed like mad and distorted 
large JPEGs.  I'm hoping that the OmniGroup gets more bugs fixed before 
jumping to 6.0.  As it is now, 5.0b6 isn't usable enough for me to buy 
it.  I somewhat regret buying 4.5 for my work computer because it's too 
buggy to use it there.

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> OmniWeb has a much more mature and refined feature set than Safari and 
> IE.  It can be quickly customized for simple surfing or for power users 
> and web developers.

I'll buy that.  Safari is new, and IE is crap.
OTOH, both of them handle everything I'm interested in.

> My gripes are that OmniWeb has always crashed like mad and distorted 

Yes.  At least the last time I tried it (4.1)

-- 
Wes Groleau
   "Grant me the serenity to accept those I cannot change;
    the courage to change the one I can;
    and the wisdom to know it's me."
                                -- unknown

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Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote :

> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
>> OmniWeb has a much more mature and refined feature set than Safari and 
>> IE.  It can be quickly customized for simple surfing or for power users 
>> and web developers.
> 
> I'll buy that.  Safari is new, and IE is crap.
> OTOH, both of them handle everything I'm interested in.

Don't forget Camino.
It is Free software, it is standard based (Mozilla), it is fast. What
else ? Version 0.8 will be out soon.

Hub
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On 12/05/2004, Hubert Figuiere wrote in message
<slrnca3k2l.9q4.hub@dirkpitt.figuiere.net>:
 
> >> OmniWeb has a much more mature and refined feature set than Safari
> >> and  IE.  It can be quickly customized for simple surfing or for
> >> power users  and web developers.

For more reasons why OmniWeb has become my main browser, refer to my list
of Mac Web browsers:

<http://darrel.knutson.com/mac/www/browsers.html>

> > I'll buy that.  Safari is new, and IE is crap.
> > OTOH, both of them handle everything I'm interested in.

Safari offers so few options that using it seems to me like riding a
tricycle, when bicycles, motorcycles and cars are equally available.

IE is still a fine browser, but development has stopped, so it's a dead-
end. It's still the best browser to print Web pages from and actually
interprets media="print" stylesheets.

> Don't forget Camino.
> It is Free software, it is standard based (Mozilla), it is fast. What
> else ? Version 0.8 will be out soon.

And don't forget another few browsers: FireFox 0.8, Opera (once 7.5 gets
out of the beta phase), and even iBrowser for a desktop variation.
Webextractor (new to my list as of today) also looks very promising.

The competition is heating up.

Darrel
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Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtri@dslextreme.com> writes:
> In article <tLqdnUAPA7k2OjzdRVn-sQ@gbronline.com>,
>  Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:
> 
> > matt neuburg wrote:
> > 
> > Why (opinion query here but please spare us a
> > flame war) would I want Omniweb if I have Safari
> > and (shudder) Internet Exploder?
> 
> OmniWeb has a much more mature and refined feature set than Safari and 
> IE.  It can be quickly customized for simple surfing or for power users 
> and web developers.

The site-level preferences are very very cool.

It's still missing the "page info" window that FireFox
and Mozilla offer, which is also very cool.

Unfortunately, all of them are awfully slow on an old 500 Mhz
G3 iBook.  Safari's the fastest thing on there by far.  And
some things don't behave right, in my experience (ie. a
certain page I need to use for work which uses a java applet
as a citrix client) in anything but Safari.

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On 2004-05-12 03:20:53 -0400, Hubert Figuiere <hub@free.fr> said:

> Don't forget Camino.
> It is Free software, it is standard based (Mozilla), it is fast. What
> else ? Version 0.8 will be out soon.
> 
> Hub

not bad, almost a year and half for a .1 update.

-- 
-justin

Justin McKillican <justin@mckill.removethis.alsothis.ca> writes:
> On 2004-05-12 03:20:53 -0400, Hubert Figuiere <hub@free.fr> said:
> 
> > Don't forget Camino.
> > It is Free software, it is standard based (Mozilla), it is fast. What
> > else ? Version 0.8 will be out soon.
> > Hub
> 
> not bad, almost a year and half for a .1 update.

Nope, not bad at all for something that's completely free
and on which folks work as volunteers.

Especially inasmuch as it's been amazingly stable all that time.

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matt neuburg <matt@tidbits.com> wrote:

> zoara <me3@privacy.net> wrote:
> 
> > Omniweb 5 beta 6 on OSX 10.3 has just 'stopped working'. 
> 
> It's a beta. If you're using it, you are a beta tester. You have
> apparently found a bug. Good; that is exactly a beta tester's job. Omni
> would like bugs reported to them; that is *why* they have opened their
> betas to the public. Report the matter to them. m.

I have. That doesn't help *me* continue to use it, though. And their
mailing list subscription isn't working.

        -zoara-


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                               -- PeterD, uk.comp.sys.mac

Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

> matt neuburg wrote:
> 
> Why (opinion query here but please spare us a
> flame war) would I want Omniweb if I have Safari
> and (shudder) Internet Exploder?

Um.... off the top of my head:

1. Workspaces - finally, I can seperate work stuff, random browsing,
interesting articles to read later, etc etc.

2. Draggable tabs - easy to re-order in a window or move between
windows.

3. Saved state. This is *awesome* - quit and restart, you continue where
you left off.

4. Per-site preferences. Make the text bigger at foobar.com (which uses
ridiculously small text) and every page you visit at that site has
magnified taxt, with all other sites untouched. Works for popup blocking
and loads of other stuff too.

5. Live iTunes-style free-text searching of history and bookmarks.

6. Built-in ad-blocking; yes, you can get plugins for Safari and IE, but
they are liable to break when the application is updated.

7. Custom searching - you can turn *any* search field into a shortcut in
the search box (ie the field that only has "Google" as an option in
Safari). Yes, you can shortcut-search obscurewebsite.com right from the
toolbar.

8. Zoomed text fields - finally makes writing that epic feedback in a
four-line text field easy, rather than an exercise in frustration.

9. Marked pages; just like Safari's snapback except you can mark any
pages as 'snapback' pages, and go back through several marked pages.

I can't remember any others because - uh - it doesn't work :)

But *these* are the reasons I'd like to get OW5b6 fixed - going back to
Safari or whatever feels like a step backwards.

        -zoara-

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                               -- PeterD, uk.comp.sys.mac

On 12/05/2004 1:07 AM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

> In article <tLqdnUAPA7k2OjzdRVn-sQ@gbronline.com>,
>  Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>matt neuburg wrote:
>>
>>Why (opinion query here but please spare us a
>>flame war) would I want Omniweb if I have Safari
>>and (shudder) Internet Exploder?
> 
> 
> OmniWeb has a much more mature and refined feature set than Safari and 
> IE.  It can be quickly customized for simple surfing or for power users 
> and web developers.
> 
Hmmm.  I tried it some time ago, and was amazed at how little it 
conformed to any idea of web standards.  It's CSS support (at any level) 
was just non-existent.  It rendered any standards page I threw at it 
horribly.

I just was not that impressed, even with the latest beta (though their 
standards support is getting better).  It was very feature-rich, though 
I was concerned at the lack of care to align with any modern web 
standard.  This means more to me that features, and I'm both a power 
user and web developer.

I have to agree with the sentiment that Safari and (in my case) 
Camino/Firefox give me everything I need.  IE is only present on my box 
for occasional (in)sanity checks.
-- 
cm

On Tue, 11 May 2004, Wes Groleau wrote:
>  Why (opinion query here but please spare us a
>  flame war) would I want Omniweb if I have Safari
>  and (shudder) Internet Exploder?

For one answer, see John Siracusa's article at:
<http://arstechnica.com/news/posts/1075945834.html>

joe

On 12/05/2004, zoara wrote in message
<1gdodfm.1jdiob11kl7a3bN%me3@privacy.net>:
 
> I have. That doesn't help *me* continue to use it, though. And their
> mailing list subscription isn't working.

I had the a problem, too. If e-mail can't be sent to your address for any
reason, then you  are still subscribed, but mail delivery is deactivated.
Go to the bottom of the page, enter your e-mail address and password and
then enable delivery in the configuration settings.

<http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/omniweb-l/>

I contacted the list admin about my problem, wondering what happened and
now I'm receiving postings to the list again.

Darrel
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