[ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]

I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and 
want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling, 
the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.

I'd like a one-key method that will let me strip the text in my buffer, 
converting rich to plaing text.  It would be nice not to run an 
application specifically for this task, as I've been doing that in the 
past:

Under 10.6 I triggered a hotkey with Quickeys that would load the text 
editor with a plain text file I kept blank for the task, paste the 
buffer whereupon it would be stripped of it's noise.  Then I would 
select all, copy, to to the destination app and paste.  It was only a 
few strokes, but was quick, became habitualIt worked okay for a couple 
of years.

Now TextEdit sometimes takes 8-10 seconds to load which is a nuisance.  
Additionally, it auto-saves whatever the hell I have in it.  So the 
next time I go through the process, instead of my intended few lines 
pasted in, they are pasted in at the beginning of a clot of text that 
was already there. My "solution" no longer works

How to copy a unit of text from wherever and paste it into a target 
application as plain text? It should go without saying that the 
applications at hand do not have a "Paste as current style" available.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
> 
> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and 
> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling, 
> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.
> 
> I'd like a one-key method that will let me strip the text in my buffer, 
> converting rich to plaing text.  It would be nice not to run an 
> application specifically for this task, as I've been doing that in the 
> past:
> 
> Under 10.6 I triggered a hotkey with Quickeys that would load the text 
> editor with a plain text file I kept blank for the task, paste the 
> buffer whereupon it would be stripped of it's noise.  Then I would 
> select all, copy, to to the destination app and paste.  It was only a 
> few strokes, but was quick, became habitualIt worked okay for a couple 
> of years.
> 
> Now TextEdit sometimes takes 8-10 seconds to load which is a nuisance.  
> Additionally, it auto-saves whatever the hell I have in it.  So the 
> next time I go through the process, instead of my intended few lines 
> pasted in, they are pasted in at the beginning of a clot of text that 
> was already there. My "solution" no longer works
> 
> How to copy a unit of text from wherever and paste it into a target 
> application as plain text? It should go without saying that the 
> applications at hand do not have a "Paste as current style" available.

Why not just select the desired text and drag it to the target window?

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

On 2012-01-20 17:53:16 +0000, Tom Stiller said:

>> How to copy a unit of text from wherever and paste it into a target
>> application as plain text? It should go without saying that the
>> applications at hand do not have a "Paste as current style" available.
> 
> Why not just select the desired text and drag it to the target window?

Text can not be dragged from all locations to all locations.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
> 
> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and 
> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling, 
> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.
> 

In my Mail.app I can either drag or copy styled text from a webpage or 
anywhere else into a new message and it gets to be plain text, it 
loses all the original colours, backgrounds, styles, fonts etc. That 
is because my app is so set up, nothing special, just from prefs. Same 
with this MT newsreader app I use. Same with BBEdit. (If you are 
getting the impression I like plain text, you would be right.<g>) 

So one question is what exact apps are you wanting the plain text to 
appear in and what facilities do they have in their prefs? 


> I'd like a one-key method that will let me strip the text in my buffer, 
> converting rich to plaing text.  It would be nice not to run an 
> application specifically for this task, as I've been doing that in the 
> past:
> 
> Under 10.6 I triggered a hotkey with Quickeys that would load the text 
> editor with a plain text file I kept blank for the task, paste the 
> buffer whereupon it would be stripped of it's noise.  Then I would 
> select all, copy, to to the destination app and paste.  It was only a 
> few strokes, but was quick, became habitualIt worked okay for a couple 
> of years.
>

I do something similar for one particular thing: formatting for line 
length: I drag text from wherever into BBEdit, choose menu item to 
remove line breaks and then to hard wrap at at some char length 
setting and copy or drag result to destination.

 
> Now TextEdit sometimes takes 8-10 seconds to load which is a nuisance.


Try TextWrangler, it is free and has many of the same sophistications 
as BBEdit. 
  
> Additionally, it auto-saves whatever the hell I have in it.  So the 
> next time I go through the process, instead of my intended few lines 
> pasted in, they are pasted in at the beginning of a clot of text that 
> was already there. My "solution" no longer works

That sounds awful, a nice example of the idiocy of auto-too-much! 
Can't you turn that auto save thing off generally? 

> 
> How to copy a unit of text from wherever and paste it into a target 
> application as plain text? It should go without saying that the 
> applications at hand do not have a "Paste as current style" available.

Ah, your apps do not have appropriate pref settings? What are they?

-- 
dorayme

gtr:

> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and 
> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling, 
> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text...

TextSoap <http://www.unmarked.com/textsoap/>. I used to use it, worked
great. Don't need it anymore.

Free alternative: copy-and-paste text to a TextEdit document. Change to
plain text. Copy plain text to final destination

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

In article <2012012010215364756-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2012-01-20 17:53:16 +0000, Tom Stiller said:
> 
> >> How to copy a unit of text from wherever and paste it into a target
> >> application as plain text? It should go without saying that the
> >> applications at hand do not have a "Paste as current style" available.
> > 
> > Why not just select the desired text and drag it to the target window?
> 
> Text can not be dragged from all locations to all locations.

Probably true but it has worked for me every time I've used it.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
> 
> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and 
> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling, 
> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned this yet:

In a lot of programs you can paste text without style information simply 
by using the "Paste Special" or "Paste and Match Style" command that is 
often available in the Edit menu, usually with the keyboard shortcut 
Command-Option-Shift-V.

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On 2012-01-20 19:34:17 +0000, Davoud said:

> gtr:
> 
>> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and
>> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling,
>> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text...
> 
> TextSoap <http://www.unmarked.com/textsoap/>. I used to use it, worked
> great. Don't need it anymore.
> 
> Free alternative: copy-and-paste text to a TextEdit document. Change to
> plain text. Copy plain text to final destination

You should have read the rest of my post.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

On 2012-01-20 20:24:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
>> 
>> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and
>> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling,
>> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.
> 
> I am surprised nobody has mentioned this yet:
> 
> In a lot of programs you can paste text without style information simply
> by using the "Paste Special" or "Paste and Match Style" command that is
> often available in the Edit menu, usually with the keyboard shortcut
> Command-Option-Shift-V.

I did.  It was in my original post.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

If anybody read this part:

> Under 10.6 I triggered a hotkey with Quickeys that would load the text 
> editor with a plain text file I kept blank for the task…

While perusing the Quickeys web site (trying to debug stuff Lion is 
doing to the program) I happened to notice someone asking this *exact* 
same question.  There, among the many options available, in the text 
manipulation category is "Remove styles from selected text".

All done.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <2012012013025636298-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2012-01-20 20:24:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
> > In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> > 
> >> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
> >> 
> >> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and
> >> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling,
> >> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.
> > 
> > I am surprised nobody has mentioned this yet:
> > 
> > In a lot of programs you can paste text without style information simply
> > by using the "Paste Special" or "Paste and Match Style" command that is
> > often available in the Edit menu, usually with the keyboard shortcut
> > Command-Option-Shift-V.
> 
> I did.  It was in my original post.

What? Not that I can see, no. Nowhere in your original post do I see 
"paste special", "paste and match style", the Edit menu, or the keyboard 
shortcut Command-Shift-Option-V mentioned. Have you checked to see 
whether the specific applications in question have such commands? Into 
which applications are you wanting to paste text without style 
information to begin with?

(So often I feel like I'm having to pull teeth to get details out of 
you. In this instance, I wish you had bothered to mention the specific 
application(s) to which you want to paste styled text as plain text, 
because that information might make it easier for people to help you 
find a way to do what you want since every application has a different 
feature set. More specifically, we would be able to tell you if those 
applications you mentioned sported a paste special / paste and match 
style command. Without that information, we are left giving you very 
general guidance that may be superseded by better tips if we knew more.)

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In article <jollyroger-7FDF8B.15395820012012@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <2012012013025636298-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
> > On 2012-01-20 20:24:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> > 
> > > In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
> > >> 
> > >> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and
> > >> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling,
> > >> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.
> > > 
> > > I am surprised nobody has mentioned this yet:
> > > 
> > > In a lot of programs you can paste text without style information simply
> > > by using the "Paste Special" or "Paste and Match Style" command that is
> > > often available in the Edit menu, usually with the keyboard shortcut
> > > Command-Option-Shift-V.
> > 
> > I did.  It was in my original post.
> 
> What? Not that I can see, no. Nowhere in your original post do I see 
> "paste special", "paste and match style", the Edit menu, or the keyboard 
> shortcut Command-Shift-Option-V mentioned. 

Aha! I now see in the very last sentence you said:

"It should go without saying that the applications at hand do not have a 
"Paste as current style" available."

Still, the rest of my reply still stands.  : )

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In article <2012012013141675892-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> (trying to debug stuff Lion is 
> doing to the program)

I used QuickKeys for years and in Lion I found to many bugs. It really 
would not work for me when running Lion. So I found Keyboard Maestro in 
the App store and it really does (for me) a better job at almost 
everything then QuickKeys. For me Keyboard Maestros price was cheap for 
what it does but I know some people will feel it's over priced. 
John

In article <jy-3E473C.19350520012012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
 John Young <jy@scallawags.net> wrote:

> In article <2012012013141675892-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
> > (trying to debug stuff Lion is 
> > doing to the program)
> 
> I used QuickKeys for years and in Lion I found to many bugs. It really 
> would not work for me when running Lion. So I found Keyboard Maestro in 
> the App store and it really does (for me) a better job at almost 
> everything then QuickKeys. For me Keyboard Maestros price was cheap for 
> what it does but I know some people will feel it's over priced. 
> John

I have not really looked for a remove or strip styles. But it will 
filter styles from a clipboard selection.

On 2012-01-20 21:39:58 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> In article <2012012013025636298-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> On 2012-01-20 20:24:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>> In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
>>>> 
>>>> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and
>>>> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling,
>>>> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.
>>> 
>>> I am surprised nobody has mentioned this yet:
>>> 
>>> In a lot of programs you can paste text without style information simply
>>> by using the "Paste Special" or "Paste and Match Style" command that is
>>> often available in the Edit menu, usually with the keyboard shortcut
>>> Command-Option-Shift-V.
>> 
>> I did.  It was in my original post.
> 
> What? Not that I can see, no. Nowhere in your original post do I see
> "paste special", "paste and match style", the Edit menu, or the keyboard
> shortcut Command-Shift-Option-V mentioned.

It should go without saying that the applications at hand do not have a 
"Paste as current style" available.

> Have you checked to see
> whether the specific applications in question have such commands? Into
> which applications are you wanting to paste text without style
> information to begin with?

It doesn't.  Unison.

> (So often I feel like I'm having to pull teeth to get details out of
> you. In this instance, I wish you had bothered to mention the specific
> application(s) to which you want to paste styled text as plain text,
> because that information might make it easier for people to help you
> find a way to do what you want since every application has a different
> feature set.

I explicitly avoided that because I'd explicitly like it to work 
regardless of application both the "from" and the "to".

> More specifically, we would be able to tell you if those
> applications you mentioned sported a paste special / paste and match
> style command. Without that information, we are left giving you very
> general guidance that may be superseded by better tips if we knew more.)

My intent was to do it to the text in buffer--no matter where it came 
from or where it went to.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

On 2012-01-21 00:41:39 +0000, John Young said:

> In article <jy-3E473C.19350520012012@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,
>  John Young <jy@scallawags.net> wrote:
> 
>> In article <2012012013141675892-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> 
>>> (trying to debug stuff Lion is
>>> doing to the program)
>> 
>> I used QuickKeys for years and in Lion I found to many bugs. It really
>> would not work for me when running Lion. So I found Keyboard Maestro in
>> the App store and it really does (for me) a better job at almost
>> everything then QuickKeys. For me Keyboard Maestros price was cheap for
>> what it does but I know some people will feel it's over priced.
>> John
> 
> I have not really looked for a remove or strip styles. But it will
> filter styles from a clipboard selection.

I'm not sure how filter differs from filter or strip.  In any case it 
removes the styling aspects from the buffered text.  That was the 
intent.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

On 2012-01-21 14:13:46 +0000, Erilar said:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2012-01-20 17:53:16 +0000, Tom Stiller said:
>> 
>>>> How to copy a unit of text from wherever and paste it into a target
>>>> application as plain text? It should go without saying that the
>>>> applications at hand do not have a "Paste as current style" available.
>>>> Why not just select the desired text and drag it to the target window?
>> 
>> Text can not be dragged from all locations to all locations.
> 
> I can drag text from any location where I can select it to an existing
> Pages document and it always ends up as the same generic font there,
> whether I want that choice or not (I don't love Helvetica 8-). You may not
> want to use Pages, of course.  I only use it because I can also use it on
> my iPad.

I specifically want to do it anywhere. The likely "from locations" are 
Pages, DevonThink, TextEdit and perhaps others, while the "to location" 
could be mail.app, Unison, Thoth, and any number of nameless text 
editors at websites.  These, are some of the many examples that won't 
consistently work either with special pastes, or text-drag options.  
Both of which I use when I can.

I suppose I could have said all of that at the beginning, but I've 
always thought that stating exactly what I wanted to do without the 
many reasons what this particular "exactly what I want" had been 
chosen, would unnessarily expand the original text to the point where 
it won't be read to completion.

I'm a fast typist and can be microscopic in my attendance to detail, 
certainly, but have found that the more text one writes the less text 
will be read.  Just my viewpoint; and not based solely on my own posts, 
but on the posts of others as well.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

On 01-21-2012 12:25, gtr wrote:
> found that the more text one writes the less text will be read

A technical writer's dilemma.  The very few will complain that the 
manual sucks because there's not enough in it.  The overwhelming 
majority won't look at it because it's too thick.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    In any formula, constants (especially those obtained
    from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.

On 2012-01-21 18:19:58 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 01-21-2012 12:25, gtr wrote:
>> found that the more text one writes the less text will be read
> 
> A technical writer's dilemma.  The very few will complain that the 
> manual sucks because there's not enough in it.  The overwhelming 
> majority won't look at it because it's too thick.

Absolutely. Not surprisingly, I enjoyed reading user manuals in the 
80's and wrote them in the 90's.

These days there seems to be a digital physical limit to it.  From my 
own non-scientific survey, a single display page is the limit, whatever 
that is for the readfer. Your chances of readership beyond that 
plummet.  Even more important are paragraph breaks. Without those your 
chances of readership start out at 10% and begin the slide.

The breaks don't have to mean anything either in a stylistic or topic 
sentence-driven mode. It's the visuals. I think all these new norms are 
the result of us reading the bulk of our days in web-browsers and email 
packages.

And thus the zippy "[Title] For Dummies" series which tries to make 
things entertaining with endless cartoons, sidebars, puns, jokes and 
distractions of innumerable variety.  Rule #1: Keep them awake.  If 
successful apply Rule #2: Provide information.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <2012012109250151301-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> The likely "from locations" are 
> ... TextEdit ... while the "to location" 
> could be mail.app, ... These, are some of the many examples that won't 
> consistently work either with special pastes, or text-drag options. 

Can't seem to even inconsistently reproduce this problem with the two 
apps I leave quoted?

-- 
dorayme

On 01-21-2012 14:23, gtr wrote:
> These days there seems to be a digital physical limit to it.  From my
> own non-scientific survey, a single display page is the limit, whatever
> that is for the readfer. Your chances of readership beyond that
> plummet.  ....

It's older than the digital age.  Professional web providers have 
borrowed the phrase "above the fold" from the newspaper folks.  It also 
depends on your audience.  For some the limit is much smaller.  When I 
get a help desk call, "It says I am not authorized," I struggle to not 
sound contemptuous when I point out that the only other sentence on the 
screen is "Ask your supervisor to put you on the access list."

> plummet.  Even more important are paragraph breaks. Without those your
> chances of readership start out at 10% and begin the slide.

There are a few Usenet posters that desperately need to hear that!

Leo Tolstoy could have benefited as well.  In one edition of War and 
Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence.  I suppose I just 
started a flame war about bashing the classics.  :-)

-- 
Wes Groleau

    In any formula, constants (especially those obtained
    from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.

On 2012-01-21 19:56:08 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 01-21-2012 14:23, gtr wrote:
>> These days there seems to be a digital physical limit to it.  From my
>> own non-scientific survey, a single display page is the limit, whatever
>> that is for the readfer. Your chances of readership beyond that
>> plummet.  ....
> 
> It's older than the digital age.  Professional web providers have 
> borrowed the phrase "above the fold" from the newspaper folks.

Ah! Quite true.  I guess in ye-olden days it was the side of the 
cave-wall, but there type was so large...

> It also depends on your audience.  For some the limit is much smaller.  
> When I get a help desk call, "It says I am not authorized," I struggle 
> to not sound contemptuous when I point out that the only other sentence 
> on the screen is "Ask your supervisor to put you on the access list."

It would be more fun to say, "Well, I can't authorize you either. I 
guess that's that."

> Leo Tolstoy could have benefited as well.  In one edition of War and 
> Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence.  I suppose I just 
> started a flame war about bashing the classics.  :-)

I have that on my roster to read this "semester". I just glanced and 
the first paragraph is only 8 lines long.  Perhaps it was the jumbo big 
print edition.  It's true though that many of the old masters to seem 
in be in an eternal quest to find a period.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

On 2012-01-21 19:47:23 +0000, dorayme said:

> In article <2012012109250151301-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> The likely "from locations" are
>> ... TextEdit ... while the "to location"
>> could be mail.app, ... These, are some of the many examples that won't
>> consistently work either with special pastes, or text-drag options.
> 
> Can't seem to even inconsistently reproduce this problem with the two
> apps I leave quoted?

You've narrowed down my potential "from and to" greatly. I didn't even 
say or intimate that none in the from list would work with none in the 
to list.

And this is why I attempted avoiding wording my request that way.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <2012012112103092762-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2012-01-21 19:47:23 +0000, dorayme said:
> 
> > In article <2012012109250151301-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> > 
> >> The likely "from locations" are
> >> ... TextEdit ... while the "to location"
> >> could be mail.app, ... These, are some of the many examples that won't
> >> consistently work either with special pastes, or text-drag options.
> > 
> > Can't seem to even inconsistently reproduce this problem with the two
> > apps I leave quoted?
> 
> You've narrowed down my potential "from and to" greatly. I didn't even 
> say or intimate that none in the from list would work with none in the 
> to list.
> 

I should have left off my question mark. It was just a comment really 
about these two particular apps.

-- 
dorayme

On 01-21-2012 15:07, gtr wrote:
> I have [War & Peace] on my roster to read this "semester". I just glanced and the
> first paragraph is only 8 lines long.  Perhaps it was the jumbo big
> print edition.  It's true though that many of the old masters to seem in
> be in an eternal quest to find a period.

Hmmm.  Different translation?  Was a long time ago, but what I said was 
the exact reason I decided not to read it.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “To know what you prefer, instead of humbly saying
    Amen to what the world tells you you should prefer,
    is to have kept your soul alive.”
                          — Robert Louis Stevenson

On 01-21-2012 16:39, Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 01-21-2012 15:07, gtr wrote:
>> I have [War & Peace] on my roster to read this "semester". I just
>> glanced and the
>> first paragraph is only 8 lines long. Perhaps it was the jumbo big
>> print edition. It's true though that many of the old masters to seem in
>> be in an eternal quest to find a period.
>
> Hmmm. Different translation? Was a long time ago, but what I said was
> the exact reason I decided not to read it.

I just looked at several versions online.  One of them has the first 
page in about a dozen one- or two-sentence paragraphs.  Others are much 
longer sentences, but none of them is the one I am remembering.

I didn't realize that it is several volumes, separately bound in some 
editions.  Maybe the one I rejected was not volume one.

One of the translators did have this to say:

"Similarly impressionistic are the long, winding sentences with their 
many clause that hasten along ..."

-- 
Wes Groleau

Change is inevitable.  We need to learn that “inevitable" is
neither a synonym for “good" nor for “bad.”

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:56:08 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:

> Leo Tolstoy could have benefited as well.  In one edition of War and
> Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence.  I suppose I just
> started a flame war about bashing the classics.

I don't remember much about it (selective amnesia?), but I don't think I 
got past the first page.

One of James Joyce's efforts  was something that confused rather than
bored me, or did I simply lose patience with it?  I was probably simply
too young to appreciate it at the time.

-- 
Paul Sture

On 2012-01-23 15:23:15 +0000, Paul Sture said:

> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:56:08 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
> 
>> Leo Tolstoy could have benefited as well.  In one edition of War and
>> Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence.  I suppose I just
>> started a flame war about bashing the classics.
> 
> I don't remember much about it (selective amnesia?), but I don't think I
> got past the first page.
> 
> One of James Joyce's efforts  was something that confused rather than
> bored me, or did I simply lose patience with it?  I was probably simply
> too young to appreciate it at the time.

Like many things of value, the first exposure doesn't necessarily 
provide immediate enthusiasm. I know a lot of people who can only 
barely operate a computer, tried cognac once, won't eat sushi, the list 
is endless.

Not all first pages beckon. And frequently they don't really represent 
the book that follows.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <3ka0v8-7d31.ln1@news.sture.ch>,
 Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:56:08 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
> 
> > War and
> > Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence.
> 
> I don't remember much about it (selective amnesia?), but I don't think I 
> got past the first page.

Do you remember at least, like Woody Allen, that it involved Russia?

-- 
dorayme

gtr wrote:
> On 2012-01-23 15:23:15 +0000, Paul Sture said:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:56:08 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
>>
>>> Leo Tolstoy could have benefited as well. In one edition of War and
>>> Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence. I suppose I just
>>> started a flame war about bashing the classics.
>>
>> I don't remember much about it (selective amnesia?), but I don't think I
>> got past the first page.
>>
>> One of James Joyce's efforts was something that confused rather than
>> bored me, or did I simply lose patience with it? I was probably simply
>> too young to appreciate it at the time.
>
> Like many things of value, the first exposure doesn't necessarily
> provide immediate enthusiasm. I know a lot of people who can only barely
> operate a computer, tried cognac once, won't eat sushi, the list is
> endless.
>
> Not all first pages beckon. And frequently they don't really represent
> the book that follows.

I can relate somewhat to that. I tried my first Lobster when I turned 60 
years old.
I don't Drink, Smoke, or run around with wild,wild women (that also the 
title of a Country Music Song as well). I lead a very boring life.

On 2012-01-23 23:38:44 +0000, PhillipJones said:

>>> One of James Joyce's efforts was something that confused rather than
>>> bored me, or did I simply lose patience with it? I was probably simply
>>> too young to appreciate it at the time.
>> 
>> Like many things of value, the first exposure doesn't necessarily
>> provide immediate enthusiasm. I know a lot of people who can only barely
>> operate a computer, tried cognac once, won't eat sushi, the list is
>> endless.
>> 
>> Not all first pages beckon. And frequently they don't really represent
>> the book that follows.
> 
> I can relate somewhat to that. I tried my first Lobster when I turned 
> 60 years old.
> I don't Drink, Smoke, or run around with wild,wild women (that also the 
> title of a Country Music Song as well). I lead a very boring life.

There's still time to both try, acclimate and embrace all these vices 
and more!  Much much more!
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <2012012318380181782-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2012-01-23 23:38:44 +0000, PhillipJones said:
> 
> >>> One of James Joyce's efforts was something that confused rather than
> >>> bored me, or did I simply lose patience with it? I was probably simply
> >>> too young to appreciate it at the time.
> >> 
> >> Like many things of value, the first exposure doesn't necessarily
> >> provide immediate enthusiasm. I know a lot of people who can only barely
> >> operate a computer, tried cognac once, won't eat sushi, the list is
> >> endless.
> >> 
> >> Not all first pages beckon. And frequently they don't really represent
> >> the book that follows.
> > 
> > I can relate somewhat to that. I tried my first Lobster when I turned 
> > 60 years old.
> > I don't Drink, Smoke, or run around with wild,wild women (that also the 
> > title of a Country Music Song as well). I lead a very boring life.
> 
> There's still time to both try, acclimate and embrace all these vices 
> and more!  Much much more!

I feel no need to try Joseph Conrad again, having read "Lord Jim" years 
ago. While others wax ecstatic about Conrad's lyrical and descriptive 
narrative, I found it mind-numbing, as though he thought the reader had 
no ability to imagine and fill in on one's own.

Steve

-- 
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:13:59 -0800, gtr wrote:

> On 2012-01-23 15:23:15 +0000, Paul Sture said:
> 
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:56:08 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
>> 
>>> Leo Tolstoy could have benefited as well.  In one edition of War and
>>> Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence.  I suppose I just
>>> started a flame war about bashing the classics.
>> 
>> I don't remember much about it (selective amnesia?), but I don't think
>> I got past the first page.
>> 
>> One of James Joyce's efforts  was something that confused rather than
>> bored me, or did I simply lose patience with it?  I was probably simply
>> too young to appreciate it at the time.
> 
> Like many things of value, the first exposure doesn't necessarily
> provide immediate enthusiasm. I know a lot of people who can only barely
> operate a computer, tried cognac once, won't eat sushi, the list is
> endless.

That is also true of music.  The song you like on the first hearing often 
becomes one you hate when overexposed to it.
 
> Not all first pages beckon. And frequently they don't really represent
> the book that follows.

Very true.

-- 
Paul Sture

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:38:01 -0800, gtr wrote:

> On 2012-01-23 23:38:44 +0000, PhillipJones said:
>  
>> I can relate somewhat to that. I tried my first Lobster when I turned
>> 60 years old.
>> I don't Drink, Smoke, or run around with wild,wild women (that also the
>> title of a Country Music Song as well). I lead a very boring life.
> 
> There's still time to both try, acclimate and embrace all these vices
> and more!  Much much more!

I liked the tale of the guy who stole 30 thousand bucks. The judge asked 
him what he had spent it on:

"Twenty thousand on horses, hookers and drink."
"Where did the rest go?"
"I spent that foolishly."

-- 
Paul Sture

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:19:50 +1100, dorayme wrote:

> In article <3ka0v8-7d31.ln1@news.sture.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:56:08 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
>> 
>> > War and
>> > Peace, the entire first page was a single sentence.
>> 
>> I don't remember much about it (selective amnesia?), but I don't think
>> I got past the first page.
> 
> Do you remember at least, like Woody Allen, that it involved Russia?

Yep. I did study Russian at school, but only for a year and that wasn't 
enough to tackle the book in the original.



-- 
Paul Sture

In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> I'd like a one-key method that will let me strip the text in my buffer, 
> converting rich to plaing text.  It would be nice not to run an 
> application specifically for this task, as I've been doing that in the 
> past:

If you end up being unable to find a one-key solution that doesn't 
require another application, you might want to take a look at LaunchBar. 
It has a feature that allows you to paste styled text from the clipboard 
as plain text with a simple keyboard command.

In article <crainea-CB579F.23364424012012@News.Individual.Net>,
 Tony Craine <crainea@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
> > I'd like a one-key method that will let me strip the text in my buffer, 
> > converting rich to plaing text.  It would be nice not to run an 
> > application specifically for this task, as I've been doing that in the 
> > past:
> 
> If you end up being unable to find a one-key solution that doesn't 
> require another application, you might want to take a look at LaunchBar. 
> It has a feature that allows you to paste styled text from the clipboard 
> as plain text with a simple keyboard command.

Ohh! I hadn't seen that option. Thanks for the tip. I love LaunchBar!

-- 
Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me.
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM
filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google
Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.

JR

On 2012-01-25 05:36:44 +0000, Tony Craine said:

> In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> I'd like a one-key method that will let me strip the text in my buffer,
>> converting rich to plaing text.  It would be nice not to run an
>> application specifically for this task, as I've been doing that in the
>> past:
> 
> If you end up being unable to find a one-key solution that doesn't
> require another application, you might want to take a look at LaunchBar.
> It has a feature that allows you to paste styled text from the clipboard
> as plain text with a simple keyboard command.

Thanks. I found a solution with QuicKey called "remove styles from 
selected text".
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo

In article <jollyroger-F93F1F.05434425012012@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > If you end up being unable to find a one-key solution that doesn't 
> > require another application, you might want to take a look at LaunchBar. 
> > It has a feature that allows you to paste styled text from the clipboard 
> > as plain text with a simple keyboard command.
> 
> Ohh! I hadn't seen that option. Thanks for the tip. I love LaunchBar!

You're welcome. Boy, I love it, too. But I have to admit, it does so 
many things that I always have this nagging feeling that I'm not using 
it to its full potential. It's a double-edged, first-world sword, I 
guess.

In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
> 
> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and 
> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling, 
> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.

Sorry to be late to the game with this one -- I just wasn't paying 
attention.

How about a Service? I love Services, and have written (or copied and 
modded) several that I find very useful.

In this case, create one that runs an Applescript, telling it "Service 
receives selected text in any application" and check "Replaces selected 
text". Then use something like this for the 'script:

--
on run {input, parameters}
   
   tell application "System Events"
      keystroke "c" using command down
   end tell
   
   delay 0.05
   
   try
      set the clipboard to string of (the clipboard as record)
   on error errMsg
      display dialog errMsg
   end try
   
   tell application "System Events"
      keystroke "v" using command down
   end tell
   return input
end run
--

Then just highlight the goods and invoke the Service. You can assign it 
a key combo, if you like, or just select it from the App Menu.

This is a slightly modified version of something I found on Mac OS X 
Hints.

The best part is, you have total control over how it behaves -- you can 
easily augment it to put the result in any typeface you like, control 
the formatting, etc.

Isaac

On 2012-01-26 07:10:25 +0000, isw said:

> In article <2012012009105997482-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> [ Ongoing refinement of my move to Lion. ]
>> 
>> I am periodically in text-editors in a newsreader or a web page and
>> want to paste in some text from elsewhere.  I don't want the styling,
>> the colors, fonts, bolds--just plain text.
> 
> Sorry to be late to the game with this one -- I just wasn't paying
> attention.
> 
> How about a Service? I love Services, and have written (or copied and
> modded) several that I find very useful.
> 
> In this case, create one that runs an Applescript, telling it "Service
> receives selected text in any application" and check "Replaces selected
> text". Then use something like this for the 'script:
> 
> --
> on run {input, parameters}
> 
>    tell application "System Events"
>       keystroke "c" using command down
>    end tell
> 
>    delay 0.05
> 
>    try
>       set the clipboard to string of (the clipboard as record)
>    on error errMsg
>       display dialog errMsg
>    end try
> 
>    tell application "System Events"
>       keystroke "v" using command down
>    end tell
>    return input
> end run

I've got myself a method now, but I must admit that AppleScripts always 
make me look at solutions differently.  Thanks for the input; I'll 
investigate it.
-- 
I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us 
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use. 
-- Galileo