Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who 
need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!

http://www.bt-1.com/

Spencer Tracy wrote:
> Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who 
> need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!
> 
> http://www.bt-1.com/


Sure, load up your backpacks...

In article <one-4AADA9.14524101022010@news.giganews.com>,
 Spencer Tracy <one@nospam.com> wrote:

> Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who 
> need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!
> 
> http://www.bt-1.com/

There's nothing on that site that says it will work with an iPad.

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In article <2v-dnUoJOdZQrvrWnZ2dnUVZ_j5i4p2d@speakeasy.net>,
 News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

> > Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who 
> > need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!
> > 
> > http://www.bt-1.com/
> 
> 
> Sure, load up your backpacks...

Dumbshit ignores that it doesn't have drivers for the iPad, but thinks that 
a device weighing just a few ounces, and that's 2" by 2.5" will load up a 
backpack.

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In article <michelle-F25204.13085001022010@nothing.attdns.com>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:


http://www.bt-1.com/

> There's nothing on that site that says it will work with an iPad.

Click on Specs tab on website, you'll find the following:

Bluetooth: 2.0+EDR with Authentication and Encryption, Class 1 RF 
Capability
Wireless Range: 10-30 Feet
Range Up to 100 Feet using add-on Class 1 Range Extender
-
----------------
iPad specs (from Apple web site):

Wi-Fi model

    * Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
    * Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology

Wi-Fi + 3G model

    * UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
    * GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
    * Data only2
    * Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
    * Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR technology
------------
Correct me if I'm wrong Michelle, but doesn't this mean it should work 
fine on an iPad?

In article <one-4AADA9.14524101022010@news.giganews.com>,
 Spencer Tracy <one@nospam.com> wrote:

> Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who 
> need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!
> 
> http://www.bt-1.com/

1) This assumes the 'Pad has a bluetooth profile installed that knows 
how to deal with this baby

2) the 'Pad owners will all look like Larry at the Waffle House, with 
his little Nokia tablet

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In article <michelle-C0739A.13104401022010@nothing.attdns.com>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <2v-dnUoJOdZQrvrWnZ2dnUVZ_j5i4p2d@speakeasy.net>,
>  News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
> 
> > > Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who 
> > > need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!
> > > 
> > > http://www.bt-1.com/
> > 
> > 
> > Sure, load up your backpacks...
> 
> Dumbshit ignores that it doesn't have drivers for the iPad, but thinks that 
> a device weighing just a few ounces, and that's 2" by 2.5" will load up a 
> backpack.

no, he's making fun of "here it comes, all the things that you need to 
make the 'Pad useful are making it not useful at all".

Spencer Tracy <one@nospam.com> wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong Michelle, but doesn't this mean it should work
> fine on an iPad?

Those specs just mean that the iPad can connect to it. That doesn't mean
it can _use_ it once it's connected.

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In article <elmop-035CD0.15244401022010@nothing.attdns.com>,
 "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > Dumbshit ignores that it doesn't have drivers for the iPad, but thinks 
> > that a device weighing just a few ounces, and that's 2" by 2.5" will 
> > load up a backpack.
> 
> no, he's making fun of "here it comes, all the things that you need to 
> make the 'Pad useful are making it not useful at all".

That implies that it's not useful without the camera, which is patently 
false.

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In article <one-807230.15163101022010@news.giganews.com>,
 Spencer Tracy <one@nospam.com> wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong Michelle, but doesn't this mean it should work 
> fine on an iPad?

You're wrong.  If you check further, for it to work with a Mac, you have to 
install its own driver, and there's nothing on that web site that says it 
has a driver for the iPad.

So although it is hardware compatible, the lack of a driver means that it 
won't work.

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In article <one-4AADA9.14524101022010@news.giganews.com>,
 Spencer Tracy <one@nospam.com> wrote:

> Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who 
> need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!
> 
> http://www.bt-1.com/

From the website:

Bluetooth Easy � Bluetooth wireless technology makes setting up your 
BT-1 a breeze. 

Simply install the BT-1 software and turn on the camera. Pairing begins 
automatically.

Presumably, they will write an iPad app to make it usable.

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Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <one-807230.15163101022010@news.giganews.com>,
>  Spencer Tracy <one@nospam.com> wrote:
> 
> > Correct me if I'm wrong Michelle, but doesn't this mean it should work
> > fine on an iPad?
> 
> You're wrong.  If you check further, for it to work with a Mac, you have to
> install its own driver, and there's nothing on that web site that says it
> has a driver for the iPad.
> 
> So although it is hardware compatible, the lack of a driver means that it
> won't work.

Until such one will be available.

The same with tethering. The 3G-less iPad will connect witl iPhone but
will it connect to the 3G through the iPhone?
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http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <1jd996s.15fgjsr1cr8eunN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
 per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:

> > So although it is hardware compatible, the lack of a driver means that 
> > it won't work.
> 
> Until such one will be available.

If one ever does become available.  But until then, if there is a then, it 
won't work with the iPad.

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In article <tom_stiller-98D5E6.15590301022010@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Presumably, they will write an iPad app to make it usable.

Perhaps.  Of course, they'll have to get it through the App Store approval 
process if they do write one.

That said, they'd be fools not to.  But will Apple approve it?  I notice 
that it recharges via USB; if they don't offer a power supply, there's 
going to be a problem with recharging it if you're not near a computer.

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In article <michelle-407790.14140501022010@nothing.attdns.com>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <tom_stiller-98D5E6.15590301022010@news.individual.net>,
>  Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Presumably, they will write an iPad app to make it usable.
> 
> Perhaps.  Of course, they'll have to get it through the App Store approval 
> process if they do write one.
> 
> That said, they'd be fools not to.  But will Apple approve it?  I notice 
> that it recharges via USB; if they don't offer a power supply, there's 
> going to be a problem with recharging it if you're not near a computer.

It is trivial to have a wart with the some connection.

Tom Stiller wrote:

<snip>

> Presumably, they will write an iPad app to make it usable.

It all depends on whether or not the iPad will support the necessary 
Bluetooth profile. Remember that originally you could not stream music 
over Bluetooth from the iPod Touch or the iPhone because the only 
Bluetooth profile it supported was for a Bluetooth headset. They added 
the Advanced Audio Distribution Profile later. If they support the Basic 
Imaging Profile (BIP) then a Bluetooth camera connection would work.

I think that the iPhone and iPod touch support only the HFP, HSP, and 
A2DP profiles. Most other smart phones support all those plus at least 
BIP, FTP, OPP profiles. I expect that the reason that these others are 
not supported on the iPhone is because they could enable the user to be 
a "data hog."

The list of Bluetooth profiles is at 
"http://bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Technology/Works/Profiles_Overview.htm".

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <1jd996s.15fgjsr1cr8eunN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
>  per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:
> 
> > > So although it is hardware compatible, the lack of a driver means that
> > > it won't work.
> > 
> > Until such one will be available.
> 
> If one ever does become available.  But until then, if there is a then, it
> won't work with the iPad.

Had I been a potential purchaser, I'd wait until I was sure such one was
available. But of course, I have really no need for a camera on an iPad.

What I will be waiting for is to find out whether the 3G-less iPad will
support 3G-access through bluetooth and an iPhone 3G. Steve Jobs never
mentioned tethering.
-- 
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http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <1jd9cnj.4vyx4a9znbjN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
 per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1jd996s.15fgjsr1cr8eunN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
> >  per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:
> > 
> > > > So although it is hardware compatible, the lack of a driver means that
> > > > it won't work.
> > > 
> > > Until such one will be available.
> > 
> > If one ever does become available.  But until then, if there is a then, it
> > won't work with the iPad.
> 
> Had I been a potential purchaser, I'd wait until I was sure such one was
> available. But of course, I have really no need for a camera on an iPad.
> 
> What I will be waiting for is to find out whether the 3G-less iPad will
> support 3G-access through bluetooth and an iPhone 3G. Steve Jobs never
> mentioned tethering.

Well you know in the US, 'tethering' is almost a cuss word to the cell 
provider!  :)

Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <1jd9cnj.4vyx4a9znbjN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
>  per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:
> 
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <1jd996s.15fgjsr1cr8eunN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
> > >  per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > So although it is hardware compatible, the lack of a driver means that
> > > > > it won't work.
> > > > 
> > > > Until such one will be available.
> > > 
> > > If one ever does become available.  But until then, if there is a then, it
> > > won't work with the iPad.
> > 
> > Had I been a potential purchaser, I'd wait until I was sure such one was
> > available. But of course, I have really no need for a camera on an iPad.
> > 
> > What I will be waiting for is to find out whether the 3G-less iPad will
> > support 3G-access through bluetooth and an iPhone 3G. Steve Jobs never
> > mentioned tethering.
> 
> Well you know in the US, 'tethering' is almost a cuss word to the cell
> provider!  :)

Well, I called my carrier earlier today [monday; now it's past
midnight]. The guy I got was quite sure that tethering would be possible
through bluetooth. I already use my iPhone as a 3G modem to my MacBook -
so why not to an iPad ?
-- 
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http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Spencer Tracy <one@nospam.com> wrote in news:one-807230.15163101022010
@news.giganews.com:

> Correct me if I'm wrong Michelle, but doesn't this mean it should work 
> fine on an iPad?
> 
> 

Nope.  Bluetooth is divided into "protocols", communications modes to 
facilitate connections between specific devices.  "Handsfree Headset" 
for your sellphone is one of them.  A2DP Apple just "discovered" so the 
damned things would actually play STEREO over BT Stereo headsets is 
another.  The phone controls, where the pushbuttons on the headset will 
operate the phone that doesn't work on Apple's crapware is another.  
There are many, many useful modes, should the bastards that make this 
crap, Apple or not, care to ALLOW you to have them.....

HID - Human Interface Device - Bluetooth keyboards, mouse, devices 
humans use to communicate with computers over Bluetooth all use HID.

FTP - File Transfer Protocol - Similar to FTP on the internet, but 
between Bluetooth devices.  It lets me connect my Samsung NC10 netbook 
to my Nokia N800 Linux tablet so the File Managers can see what's on the 
other devices' various storage medium, copy/paste/move files between 
devices rapidly, wirelessly.

OBEX - Object Exchange.  Another way you can get stuff from one BT 
device to another, directly, freely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_protocols
Here's more......

Apple's network appliances, ipod, iphone, ipad, itouch have a wonderful 
history of supporting only BT cellphone headsets, not even in stereo 
(A2DP) until crushed by the customers to do so.  You'll be lucky if iPad 
plays MP3 files in your stereo BT headset.

It's why your Macbook refuses to tether to your iPhone's internet.  The 
protocol is removed to prevent it.  We can't have you getting internet 
service from the "unlimited data" access your iphone is supposed to be 
paying for, can we?  That might mean you'd actually USE BANDWIDTH!  How 
stupid would that be?



-- 
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Larry

On Feb 1, 2:52=A0pm, Spencer Tracy <o...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Talk about perfect timing. Just the solution for the iPad folks who
> need/want a camera. Bluetooth webcam from ecamm is shipping!!
>
> http://www.bt-1.com/

I see they are adding it to the iPhone/iPad when the new OS is
released. Bt-1.com must be working with the new updated Apple SDK for
developers from last week.

IMHO $149 is a little steep for a web cam.

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> It's why your Macbook refuses to tether to your iPhone's internet.  The
> protocol is removed to prevent it.  We can't have you getting internet
> service from the "unlimited data" access your iphone is supposed to be
> paying for, can we?  That might mean you'd actually USE BANDWIDTH!  How
> stupid would that be?

Tethering to an iPhone is fully possible and was made possible with
iPhone OS 3.0.

But it is implemented in such a way that your carrier has to accept it.
And in the cell phone area the United States is a developing country
with only one major carrier supporting GSM and 3G.

I tether my MacBook to my iPhone when in need, and my carrier sees no
reason why I should not be able to do the same with a 3G-less iPad with
a bluetooth connection. We've got four carriers three of whom sell
iPhones [and you can use iPhones on the fourth too] so whether they
allow tethering to take place or not is competition parameter. Of
course, all carriers allow tethering.

So the lack of tethering is not an iPhone issue, it is a US and an AT&T
issue.
-- 
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http://www.RQNNE.dk
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In article <Xns9D12DC7F0843Cnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> It's why your Macbook refuses to tether to your iPhone's internet.  The 
> protocol is removed to prevent it.  We can't have you getting internet 
> service from the "unlimited data" access your iphone is supposed to be 
> paying for, can we?  That might mean you'd actually USE BANDWIDTH!  How 
> stupid would that be?

wrong. the iphone tethers over usb or bluetooth.

at&t on the other hand, refuses to support it.

On 2010-02-02, Per Rønne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>> It's why your Macbook refuses to tether to your iPhone's internet.  The
>> protocol is removed to prevent it.  We can't have you getting internet
>> service from the "unlimited data" access your iphone is supposed to be
>> paying for, can we?  That might mean you'd actually USE BANDWIDTH!  How
>> stupid would that be?
>
> Tethering to an iPhone is fully possible and was made possible with
> iPhone OS 3.0.
>
> But it is implemented in such a way that your carrier has to accept it.
> And in the cell phone area the United States is a developing country
> with only one major carrier supporting GSM and 3G.

Actually, in the US at least 3 of the major carriers, including AT&T,
allow tethering if you pay them enough for the data plan.  AT&T makes
an exception of the iPhone, for reasons I know not.

> I tether my MacBook to my iPhone when in need, and my carrier sees no
> reason why I should not be able to do the same with a 3G-less iPad with
> a bluetooth connection. We've got four carriers three of whom sell
> iPhones [and you can use iPhones on the fourth too] so whether they
> allow tethering to take place or not is competition parameter. Of
> course, all carriers allow tethering.
>
> So the lack of tethering is not an iPhone issue, it is a US and an AT&T
> issue.

Have you actually tried tethering with the carrier which doesn't
sell iPhones?  My experience is that if there is no carrier file
on the phone with data settings for the carrier whose SIM is in the
phone (i.e.  the carrier doesn't sell iPhones, all carriers which do
sell iPhones have a file) then, while you get menus to manually configure
most of the data settings, the tethering menus are gone.  There's no
way to configure tethering on a carrier which doesn't sell iPhones
as far as I can tell.

I hence suspect you'd be in the same boat with the fourth, non-iPhone
carrier as with AT&T no matter how much that carrier wanted you to
be able to tether.

Dennis Ferguson

In article 
<c21a27fd-bf26-43da-8e9b-ba44c733450a@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
 No Apples at Verizon - Verizon uses obsolete tech - not global 
 <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see they are adding it to the iPhone/iPad when the new OS is
> released. 

Where did you see that, Vic?  All I found in their FAQ was this:

     Q: Does the BT-1 work with an iPhone?

     A: No, not right now. We are currently reviewing the possibilities 
     for iPhone OS 3.0 compatibility.

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Per R=F8nne wrote:

> Well, I called my carrier earlier today [monday; now it's past
> midnight]. The guy I got was quite sure that tethering would be possibl=
e
> through bluetooth. I already use my iPhone as a 3G modem to my MacBook =
-
> so why not to an iPad ?

How do you do that?

--=20
john mcwilliams

In article <hk9iv4$tqs$1@news.eternal-september.org>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Well, I called my carrier earlier today [monday; now it's past
> > midnight]. The guy I got was quite sure that tethering would be possible
> > through bluetooth. I already use my iPhone as a 3G modem to my MacBook -
> > so why not to an iPad ?
> 
> How do you do that?

easily, if you're not stuck with at&t.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:020220100811432076%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> wrong. the iphone tethers over usb or bluetooth.
> 
> 

Specifically, which Bluetooth protocols does it support.

Until recently, it supported only handsfree headsets.  It didn't even have 
stereo.  It STILL doesn't support the AVxxx controls so the headphone 
buttons can control the music player and phone.  Have they fixed that?

It "tethers" over USB to iTunes so they can sell you something.  It does 
NOT tether to a real computer to use iPhone as a MODEM for that computer, 
iTunes or no iTunes.

Bullshit.


-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <hk9iv4$tqs$1@news.eternal-september.org>, John McWilliams
> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > > Well, I called my carrier earlier today [monday; now it's past
> > > midnight]. The guy I got was quite sure that tethering would be possible
> > > through bluetooth. I already use my iPhone as a 3G modem to my MacBook -
> > > so why not to an iPad ?
> > 
> > How do you do that?
> 
> easily, if you're not stuck with at&t.

It can acutally be done in two ways. Either through a usb-connection
[the one used when syncing with iTunes]. Or through bluetooth.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> It "tethers" over USB to iTunes so they can sell you something.  It does
> NOT tether to a real computer to use iPhone as a MODEM for that computer

That is exactly what it does. I use my iPhone as a 3G-modem to give full
intenet access to my MacBook when in a place with no WiFi. And I can do
it cabled or through bluetooth.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <1jdb00z.1asn0gzz8zs0fN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
 per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:

> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
> > It "tethers" over USB to iTunes so they can sell you something.  It 
> > does NOT tether to a real computer to use iPhone as a MODEM for that 
> > computer
> 
> That is exactly what it does. I use my iPhone as a 3G-modem to give full 
> intenet access to my MacBook when in a place with no WiFi. And I can do 
> it cabled or through bluetooth.

But Larry, who knows nothing about the iPhone, says it can't be done.  So 
who are we to believe, you, who have actually done it, or Larry?

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per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdb00z.1asn0gzz8zs0fN%
per@RQNNE.invalid:

> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
>> It "tethers" over USB to iTunes so they can sell you something.  It does
>> NOT tether to a real computer to use iPhone as a MODEM for that computer
> 
> That is exactly what it does. I use my iPhone as a 3G-modem to give full
> intenet access to my MacBook when in a place with no WiFi. And I can do
> it cabled or through bluetooth.

Don't come to America, R�nne.  ATTWS won't allow iPhones to tether 
unlimited service for $US30.  Their system can't even keep up with the low 
data usage of the iPhone, itself.  Tethering to a real computer would 
simply bring an already overloaded system to its knees in the big cities 
ATT services.

Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
USA, is overpriced at around $US60.  ATTWS is no exception.  They screwed 
up making a deal with Apple thinking the Iphone would be like the other 
smartphones that use very little data without tethering to a real computer.  
Iphone uses more data than ATTWS ever dreamed possible.



-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

> On 2010-02-02, Per R�nne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> > Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> >> It's why your Macbook refuses to tether to your iPhone's internet.  The
> >> protocol is removed to prevent it.  We can't have you getting internet
> >> service from the "unlimited data" access your iphone is supposed to be
> >> paying for, can we?  That might mean you'd actually USE BANDWIDTH!  How
> >> stupid would that be?
> >
> > Tethering to an iPhone is fully possible and was made possible with
> > iPhone OS 3.0.
> >
> > But it is implemented in such a way that your carrier has to accept it.
> > And in the cell phone area the United States is a developing country
> > with only one major carrier supporting GSM and 3G.
> 
> Actually, in the US at least 3 of the major carriers, including AT&T,
> allow tethering if you pay them enough for the data plan.  AT&T makes
> an exception of the iPhone, for reasons I know not.

Not so in Denmark. I pay $14 a month and get up til 100 MB data traffic
for free. More traffic gives extra pay as does phone calls and sms. But
I would never have to pay more than $17.50 a month for the data traffic
no matter how big it becomes.

I now see that the standard subscription for iPhone users is $70 a month
with unlimited data traffic, free sms and free telephone until 10 hours
a month.

The same company offers another option without telephone. $9 a month for
up til 50 MB data trafic for free and then 20 cents per MB data traffic
extra until the maximum of $70 is reached. The prices are rounded off to
fit with USD - obviously they are meant for a laptop rarely used to
access the internet through 3G.

Depending on the location, the subscriptions mentioned give a speed of
up till 16 Mb/s - on my old iPhone 3G up till 2100 Kb/s down and 188
Kb/s up on my slow. The new iPhone 3GS is much faster.

Of course, most places I just use the local WiFi connection ... and
people with need of more data traffic choose other subscription options.

> > I tether my MacBook to my iPhone when in need, and my carrier sees no
> > reason why I should not be able to do the same with a 3G-less iPad with
> > a bluetooth connection. We've got four carriers three of whom sell
> > iPhones [and you can use iPhones on the fourth too] so whether they
> > allow tethering to take place or not is competition parameter. Of
> > course, all carriers allow tethering.
> >
> > So the lack of tethering is not an iPhone issue, it is a US and an AT&T
> > issue.
> 
> Have you actually tried tethering with the carrier which doesn't
> sell iPhones?  My experience is that if there is no carrier file
> on the phone with data settings for the carrier whose SIM is in the
> phone (i.e.  the carrier doesn't sell iPhones, all carriers which do
> sell iPhones have a file) then, while you get menus to manually configure
> most of the data settings, the tethering menus are gone.  There's no
> way to configure tethering on a carrier which doesn't sell iPhones
> as far as I can tell.
> 
> I hence suspect you'd be in the same boat with the fourth, non-iPhone
> carrier as with AT&T no matter how much that carrier wanted you to
> be able to tether.

I haven't tried and I even think it would be difficult to do so - and
some people say that tethering with this 3rd company isn't possible with
the iPhone. But there are no problems with the other three and you can
freely move between them.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Per R�nne wrote:
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
>> It "tethers" over USB to iTunes so they can sell you something.  It does
>> NOT tether to a real computer to use iPhone as a MODEM for that computer
> 
> That is exactly what it does. I use my iPhone as a 3G-modem to give full
> intenet access to my MacBook when in a place with no WiFi. And I can do
> it cabled or through bluetooth.

In the U.S., tethering is not supported on the iPhone on the sole 
carrier that sells it. The 3G infrastructure on AT&T is already 
overloaded and if they allowed tethering it would make it much worse. 
It's not the iPhone that doesn't allow it, it's AT&T.

If and when they do allow tethering, it is unlikely to be unlimited, and 
it is likely to cost extra.

In article <1jdayz0.syn9qa1kgkyaoN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
 per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:

> I now see that the standard subscription for iPhone users is $70 a month 
> with unlimited data traffic, free sms 

SMS is not free for the 3G; it is an extra $5.00.  People who have the 
original iPhone get 200 sms messages for included in their basic bill, 
though.

> and free telephone until 10 hours  a month.

7.5 hours.  450 minutes.

-- Michelle

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Member American Civil Liberties Union
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In article <Xns9D1398B176D8Dnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
 Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
> USA, is overpriced at around $US60.  ATTWS is no exception.

Then 250 GB for $15, and unlimited for $30, that you can get with the iPad, 
is a great deal, right?

-- 
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Member American Civil Liberties Union
Member Human Rights Campaign
Member Arizona Road Racers

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <1jdayz0.syn9qa1kgkyaoN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
>  per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:
> 
> > I now see that the standard subscription for iPhone users is $70 a month
> > with unlimited data traffic, free sms 
> 
> SMS is not free for the 3G; it is an extra $5.00.  People who have the
> original iPhone get 200 sms messages for included in their basic bill,
> though.
> 
> > and free telephone until 10 hours  a month.
> 
> 7.5 hours.  450 minutes.

Still more differences. But of course you will also see price
differences between different Danish iPhone carriers. With different
packages. That's - competition.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <Xns9D138DE001361noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> It "tethers" over USB to iTunes so they can sell you something. 

tethering does not require itunes

> It does 
> NOT tether to a real computer to use iPhone as a MODEM for that computer, 
> iTunes or no iTunes.

yes it does

> Bullshit.

that's what your posts are.

In article <Xns9D1398B176D8Dnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
> USA, is overpriced at around $US60. ATTWS is no exception.  

wrong again. ipad data plan, $30/mo unlim, $15/mo 250 meg

In article <1jdaywa.pajil0af162oN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, Per R�nne
<per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:

> It can acutally be done in two ways. Either through a usb-connection
> [the one used when syncing with iTunes]. Or through bluetooth.

not on at&t it can't.

In article <020220102039028223%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
> > USA, is overpriced at around $US60. ATTWS is no exception.  
> 
> wrong again. ipad data plan, $30/mo unlim, $15/mo 250 meg

Not only that, but the data plan for the iPhone is also $30/mo unlimited.

-- 
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Member American Civil Liberties Union
Member Human Rights Campaign
Member Arizona Road Racers

In article <michelle-2B01DA.22404802022010@nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
> > > USA, is overpriced at around $US60. ATTWS is no exception.  
> > 
> > wrong again. ipad data plan, $30/mo unlim, $15/mo 250 meg
> 
> Not only that, but the data plan for the iPhone is also $30/mo unlimited.

true.

i forgot to mention the ipad plan is contract free. verizon charges $15
for one *day* on their pay as you go plan.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1jdaywa.pajil0af162oN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, Per R�nne
> <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > It can acutally be done in two ways. Either through a usb-connection
> > [the one used when syncing with iTunes]. Or through bluetooth.
> 
> not on at&t it can't.

That's an AT&T issue, not an iPhone issue.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <1jdbrro.6t3vcjo8ztyeN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, Per R�nne
<per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:

> > > It can acutally be done in two ways. Either through a usb-connection
> > > [the one used when syncing with iTunes]. Or through bluetooth.
> > 
> > not on at&t it can't.
> 
> That's an AT&T issue, not an iPhone issue.

yes it is. i've said it before. at&t sucks.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1jdbrro.6t3vcjo8ztyeN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, Per R�nne
> <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > > It can acutally be done in two ways. Either through a usb-connection
> > > > [the one used when syncing with iTunes]. Or through bluetooth.
> > > 
> > > not on at&t it can't.
> > 
> > That's an AT&T issue, not an iPhone issue.
> 
> yes it is. i've said it before. at&t sucks.

The iPhone runs on hundreds of other carriers than AT&T but probably
Apple should let T-Mobile sell iPhones in the US too. Carriers like
Sprint and Verizon can be eliminated as they don't conform to the
international GSM standard - and why should Apple develop a smartphone
for one country only?
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, Per R�nne
<per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:

> The iPhone runs on hundreds of other carriers than AT&T but probably
> Apple should let T-Mobile sell iPhones in the US too. 

they could, but it will only work at 2g speeds since t-mobile uses a
different 3g.

> Carriers like
> Sprint and Verizon can be eliminated as they don't conform to the
> international GSM standard - and why should Apple develop a smartphone
> for one country only?

as i said before, cdma is used in more than one country.

Per R�nne wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <1jdbrro.6t3vcjo8ztyeN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, Per R�nne
>> <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> It can acutally be done in two ways. Either through a usb-connection
>>>>> [the one used when syncing with iTunes]. Or through bluetooth.
>>>> not on at&t it can't.
>>> That's an AT&T issue, not an iPhone issue.
>> yes it is. i've said it before. at&t sucks.
> 
> The iPhone runs on hundreds of other carriers than AT&T but probably
> Apple should let T-Mobile sell iPhones in the US too. Carriers like
> Sprint and Verizon can be eliminated as they don't conform to the
> international GSM standard - and why should Apple develop a smartphone
> for one country only?

Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries. And the iPhone 3G isn't on GSM 
anyway, it's on W-CDMA.

It's rather trivial to make the same device with different radios. The 
phone manufacturers have been doing it for years. You could buy 
essentially the same phone with CDMA, TDMA, and GSM. If they did an 
iPhone for T-Mobile they'd have to do it with a different radio since 
T-Mobile W-CDMA is at 1700 MHz.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, Per R�nne
> <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > The iPhone runs on hundreds of other carriers than AT&T but probably
> > Apple should let T-Mobile sell iPhones in the US too. 
> 
> they could, but it will only work at 2g speeds since t-mobile uses a
> different 3g.

OK; I didn't know that T-Mobile was still EDGE only.

> > Carriers like Sprint and Verizon can be eliminated as they don't conform
> > to the international GSM standard - and why should Apple develop a
> > smartphone for one country only?
> 
> as i said before, cdma is used in more than one country.

So far I have only seen a link that said that amongst other countries
listed my own country, Denmark, as using CDMA. We only use GSM - and 3G
for data traffic.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries.

I have been directed to such a list. It listed Denmark as one of these
countries - but since I'm a Dane who has lived in Denmark for all of my
life I know we only use GSM [3G for data traffic].

This means I cannot trust such a list.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <Xns9D12DC7F0843Cnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
 Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> It's why your Macbook refuses to tether to your iPhone's internet.

What?
It works on my iPhone with my MacBook Pro.

The only explanation could be that your friendly phone provider decided 
not to allow it.

Marc

-- 
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<http://www.heusser.com>

In article <Xns9D138DE001361noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
 Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> It does 
> NOT tether to a real computer to use iPhone as a MODEM for that computer, 
> iTunes or no iTunes.
> 
> Bullshit.

It does. Do your homework first and stop barking up the wrong tree.

The iPhone DOES work to access the internet from my MacBook Pro, 
unmodified, not jailbroken, just plain as it came from Apple.

Or is it once more just for the sake of bashing?

Marc

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nospam wrote:
> In article <Xns9D1398B176D8Dnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
> <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
>> Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
>> USA, is overpriced at around $US60. ATTWS is no exception.  
> 
> wrong again. ipad data plan, $30/mo unlim, $15/mo 250 meg

Unfortunately, Larry is right. The tethered data plans are $60 a month 
for 5GB. The iPhone cannot be tethered in the U.S., and it's a virtual 
certainty that the iPad will also not be tetherable, at least not at the 
  $15 or $30 rates that were announced.

In article <marc.heusser-D2CFC5.08490903022010@news.uzh.ch>, 
marc.heusser@byeheusser.commercialspammers.invalid says...
> 
> In article <Xns9D12DC7F0843Cnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
>  Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
> > It's why your Macbook refuses to tether to your iPhone's internet.
> 
> What?
> It works on my iPhone with my MacBook Pro.
> 
> The only explanation could be that your friendly phone provider decided 
> not to allow it.

Incorrect - the only explanation is the ever Hammy Larry hasn't a fucking 
clue what he has talking about but true to form this doesn't stop him 
trying to lecture to the world. His lack of embarrassment knows no bounds.

Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <Xns9D1398B176D8Dnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
>  Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
>> Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
>> USA, is overpriced at around $US60.  ATTWS is no exception.
> 
> Then 250 GB for $15, and unlimited for $30, that you can get with the iPad, 
> is a great deal, right?

It's a very good deal if everything that you want to do is do-able on 
the iPad. The Citrix support looks really interesting. You should be 
able to do nearly everything other than tethering with it.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:020220102039028223%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> In article <Xns9D1398B176D8Dnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
> <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
>> Tethered service with only 5GB/month of data, from most carriers in the 
>> USA, is overpriced at around $US60. ATTWS is no exception.  
> 
> wrong again. ipad data plan, $30/mo unlim, $15/mo 250 meg
> 

I was referring to tethering to real computers, not itoys.


-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%
per@RQNNE.invalid:

> and why should Apple develop a smartphone
> for one country only?
> 

Because it's the elephant in the room and several other countries use CDMA 
phones, too?

Just a guess.....(c;]

Maybe it's because the CDMA carrier's USA 3G coverage map looks like:

http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomp
arison.pdf

CDMA/EVDO - RED and GREEN

GSM 3G - BLUE and wait, it's hard to see T-mobile's color...purple?

Not everybody in America lives in huge cities.  Just the ones who post on 
here.

Which map would you rather TRAVEL under?

-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

Larry wrote:
> per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%
> per@RQNNE.invalid:
> 
>> and why should Apple develop a smartphone
>> for one country only?
>>
> 
> Because it's the elephant in the room and several other countries use CDMA 
> phones, too?
> 
> Just a guess.....(c;]
> 
> Maybe it's because the CDMA carrier's USA 3G coverage map looks like:
> 
> http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomp
> arison.pdf
> 
> CDMA/EVDO - RED and GREEN
> 
> GSM 3G - BLUE and wait, it's hard to see T-mobile's color...purple?
> 
> Not everybody in America lives in huge cities.  Just the ones who post on 
> here.
> 
> Which map would you rather TRAVEL under?

And of course the development costs are small when you consider that 
Qualcomm would be thrilled to design the radio section of the device, if 
they haven't done so already, just to be able to get the royalties on 
another 20 million or so devices that would likely be sold if the iPhone 
were on Verizon.

It's another SKU for Apple to keep track of, but the volumes are 
enormous. Whatever AT&T is paying to keep the iPhone away from Verizon, 
it better be a pretty huge number of dollars to justify all the lost 
revenue to Apple, not only from sales of the phone, but from content 
sales as well.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:29:49 -0500, Larry wrote
(in article <Xns9D14239339888noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>):

> per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%
> per@RQNNE.invalid:
> 
>> and why should Apple develop a smartphone
>> for one country only?
>> 
> 
> Because it's the elephant in the room and several other countries use CDMA 
> phones, too?
> 
> Just a guess.....(c;]
> 
> Maybe it's because the CDMA carrier's USA 3G coverage map looks like:
> 
> http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomp
> arison.pdf

I find this map quite interesting. I have a Verizon smartphone, and I live in 
West Palm Beach, Florida. According to this map I'm well covered. However... 
I usually get one bar, and have lots of loss of signal, and various other 
problems. This is actually my _second_ smartphone from Verizon, and the first 
one behaved the same way. I have _serious_ problems with it from home and 
from various other locations around Palm Beach County. If I go south into 
Broward or Dade things improve dramatically; if I go north into Martin or St 
Lucie, things get worse. But the map says that I should have good coverage 
all the way up the Atlantic coast throughout the state, and north into 
Georgia. Hmm. Something not right here...

It gets worse. Precisely because the Verizon phone gives so much trouble, I 
also have a T-Mobile phone... and it gives me three to four bars and never 
drops a call or otherwise loses the signal. It works perfectly. Verizon is 
gonna be history as soon as the current contract ends.

> 
> CDMA/EVDO - RED and GREEN
> 
> GSM 3G - BLUE and wait, it's hard to see T-mobile's color...purple?
> 
> Not everybody in America lives in huge cities.  Just the ones who post on 
> here.
> 
> Which map would you rather TRAVEL under?

Given my experience with Verizon, I'd not trust their maps any further than I 
could throw a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.



-- 
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Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

> At 03 Feb 2010 08:19:16 +0100 Per R�nne wrote:
> 
> > > > The iPhone runs on hundreds of other carriers than AT&T but probably
> > > > Apple should let T-Mobile sell iPhones in the US too. 
> > > 
> > > they could, but it will only work at 2g speeds since t-mobile uses a
> > > different 3g.
> > 
> > OK; I didn't know that T-Mobile was still EDGE only.
> 
> They're not, but their 3G network is at a different frequency: 1700MHz,
> and therefore incompatible with the 850/1900/2100 3G iPhone.

But why have they chosen another frequency?

-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

On 2010-02-03, Per Rønne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>> At 03 Feb 2010 08:19:16 +0100 Per Rønne wrote:
>> > > > The iPhone runs on hundreds of other carriers than AT&T but probably
>> > > > Apple should let T-Mobile sell iPhones in the US too. 
>> > > 
>> > > they could, but it will only work at 2g speeds since t-mobile uses a
>> > > different 3g.
>> > 
>> > OK; I didn't know that T-Mobile was still EDGE only.
>> 
>> They're not, but their 3G network is at a different frequency: 1700MHz,
>> and therefore incompatible with the 850/1900/2100 3G iPhone.
>
> But why have they chosen another frequency?

They didn't have much choice.  1700 MHz was the American answer
to Europe/Asia's 2100 MHz (which couldn't be used in the Americas
because it overlaps with the 1900 MHz band).  AT&T and Rogers
didn't bother with 1700 since they both purchased considerable
extra spectrum for the TDMA->GSM conversion, and had enough left
over from that to accomodate 3G in the GSM bands.  T-Mobile was too
short of spectrum for that, however, and so had to buy what was
being auctioned at the time, which was 1700 MHz.  I think T-Mobile US
and Wind, a startup carrier in Canada, may be the only two phone
companies in the world running UMTS 3G in the band (there are some
CDMA operators too).

Then again, if you look at new 3-band 3G phones made by other
manufacturers, of which there are quite a few now (it was
fairly rare when the first iPhone was introduced), you'll
find they are usually sell two models if they sell world-wide:
850/1900/2100 for the Americas and Australia, and 900/1900/2100
or 900/1700/2100 for Europe and Asia (with the latter maybe
going to T-Mobile too).  Essentially the current iPhone is an
American phone, it is missing UMTS 900.  I note, however, that
newer versions of the Infineon chipset say they support up to
5 UMTS bands in their glossies, and dual-band WCDMA power
amplifiers are available to replace the 3 single-band chips Apple
uses now, so Apple might be able to add 900 and 1700 to a new
model in the same board real estate as the current model.  I'd
buy that phone just for the band coverage.

Dennis Ferguson

Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

> On 2010-02-03, Per R�nne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> > Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> >> At 03 Feb 2010 08:19:16 +0100 Per R�nne wrote:
> >> > > > The iPhone runs on hundreds of other carriers than AT&T but probably
> >> > > > Apple should let T-Mobile sell iPhones in the US too. 
> >> > > 
> >> > > they could, but it will only work at 2g speeds since t-mobile uses a
> >> > > different 3g.
> >> > 
> >> > OK; I didn't know that T-Mobile was still EDGE only.
> >> 
> >> They're not, but their 3G network is at a different frequency: 1700MHz,
> >> and therefore incompatible with the 850/1900/2100 3G iPhone.
> >
> > But why have they chosen another frequency?
> 
> They didn't have much choice.  1700 MHz was the American answer
> to Europe/Asia's 2100 MHz (which couldn't be used in the Americas
> because it overlaps with the 1900 MHz band).  AT&T and Rogers
> didn't bother with 1700 since they both purchased considerable
> extra spectrum for the TDMA->GSM conversion, and had enough left
> over from that to accomodate 3G in the GSM bands.  T-Mobile was too
> short of spectrum for that, however, and so had to buy what was
> being auctioned at the time, which was 1700 MHz.  I think T-Mobile US
> and Wind, a startup carrier in Canada, may be the only two phone
> companies in the world running UMTS 3G in the band (there are some
> CDMA operators too).
> 
> Then again, if you look at new 3-band 3G phones made by other
> manufacturers, of which there are quite a few now (it was
> fairly rare when the first iPhone was introduced), you'll
> find they are usually sell two models if they sell world-wide:
> 850/1900/2100 for the Americas and Australia, and 900/1900/2100
> or 900/1700/2100 for Europe and Asia (with the latter maybe
> going to T-Mobile too).  Essentially the current iPhone is an
> American phone, it is missing UMTS 900.  I note, however, that
> newer versions of the Infineon chipset say they support up to
> 5 UMTS bands in their glossies, and dual-band WCDMA power
> amplifiers are available to replace the 3 single-band chips Apple
> uses now, so Apple might be able to add 900 and 1700 to a new
> model in the same board real estate as the current model.  I'd
> buy that phone just for the band coverage.

OK.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

J.J. O'Shea wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:29:49 -0500, Larry wrote
> (in article <Xns9D14239339888noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>):
> 
>> per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%
>> per@RQNNE.invalid:
>>
>>> and why should Apple develop a smartphone
>>> for one country only?
>>>
>> Because it's the elephant in the room and several other countries use CDMA 
>> phones, too?
>>
>> Just a guess.....(c;]
>>
>> Maybe it's because the CDMA carrier's USA 3G coverage map looks like:
>>
>> http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomp
>> arison.pdf
> 
> I find this map quite interesting. I have a Verizon smartphone, and I live in 
> West Palm Beach, Florida.

In South Florida, Verizon is all PCS (1900 MHz). AT&T Wireless had one 
side of 800 MHz, and BellSouth had the other side of 800 MHz, and now 
they have both sides as AT&T Mobility. This puts Verizon at a big 
disadvantage because they need far more sites to cover a given area, 
though in a dense urban setting like the tri-county area it should not 
matter all that much. That said, Verizon is still top rated in South 
Florida, at least for voice coverage and quality.

In article <marc.heusser-C03F19.08512203022010@news.uzh.ch>,
 Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@byeheusser.commercialspammers.invalid> wrote:

> Or is it once more just for the sake of bashing?

To Larry, the world is defined as North America south of Canada, and north 
of Mexico.  And maybe Alaska and Hawaii.  Nothing else counts.

-- 
Member National Rifle Association
Member American Civil Liberties Union
Member Human Rights Campaign
Member Arizona Road Racers

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> J.J. O'Shea wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:29:49 -0500, Larry wrote
> > (in article <Xns9D14239339888noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>):
> > 
> >> per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%
> >> per@RQNNE.invalid:
> >>
> >>> and why should Apple develop a smartphone
> >>> for one country only?
> >>>
> >> Because it's the elephant in the room and several other countries use CDMA
> >> phones, too?
> >>
> >> Just a guess.....(c;]
> >>
> >> Maybe it's because the CDMA carrier's USA 3G coverage map looks like:
> >>
> >> http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomp
> >> arison.pdf
> > 
> > I find this map quite interesting. I have a Verizon smartphone, and I
> > live in West Palm Beach, Florida.
> 
> In South Florida, Verizon is all PCS (1900 MHz). AT&T Wireless had one
> side of 800 MHz, and BellSouth had the other side of 800 MHz, and now
> they have both sides as AT&T Mobility. This puts Verizon at a big 
> disadvantage because they need far more sites to cover a given area, 
> though in a dense urban setting like the tri-county area it should not
> matter all that much. That said, Verizon is still top rated in South 
> Florida, at least for voice coverage and quality.

Do you know the word 'roaming' in the US? Which means that when a
carrier's coverage isn't sufficient, their customers use a competitor's
network.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaming_in_the_European_Union>

But of course that had demanded all carriers to apply to the same
standards given by government [in reality ISO, the International
Organization for Standardization].
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

On Feb 3, 11:22=A0am, Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
 ?
>
> To Larry, the world is defined as North America south of Canada, and nort=
h
> of Mexico. =A0And maybe Alaska and Hawaii. =A0Nothing else counts.
>
> --

WRONG!

Larry has spent most of his life in South Carolina

North America is from south of the Mason Dixon Line  but does not
include Florida which has too many Yankee Jews in it, it does not
include Texas and south western states - too many Hispanics, nor does
it include California and Atlanta - too many gays.

Per R�nne wrote:

> Do you know the word 'roaming' in the US? Which means that when a
> carrier's coverage isn't sufficient, their customers use a competitor's
> network.

That doesn't apply to data service in the U.S.. In the case of South 
Florida, where CDMA has none of the preferred 800 MHz spectrum, roaming 
buys you very little. The other GSM carrier, T-Mobile, is all 1900 MHz, 
and they limit roaming onto AT&T to areas where T-Mobile has no 
presence. Since the GSM carriers use two different bands for W-CDMA 3G 
data, and no phones have both bands (at least not yet) 3G roaming would 
not be possible even if the carriers permitted it.

When I have visitors from GSM only countries, and they want to go buy a 
prepaid SIM card for their phone, I advise them to forget about that 
idea and I let them use a spare CDMA phone that I have on a very low 
cost prepaid carrier that uses Verizon. Not only is the coverage far, 
far better than GSM (especially in the kinds of places they visit when 
in the U.S.), it's about 1/3 the per minute rate, and data is available 
at a not-too outrageous charge.

Per R�nne wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries.
> 
> I have been directed to such a list. It listed Denmark as one of these
> countries - but since I'm a Dane who has lived in Denmark for all of my
> life I know we only use GSM [3G for data traffic].

You do realize that your 3G data is W-CDMA don't you?

In Europe, the only CDMA for voice that I'm aware of is on the 450 MHz band.

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Per R�nne wrote:
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries.
> > 
> > I have been directed to such a list. It listed Denmark as one of these
> > countries - but since I'm a Dane who has lived in Denmark for all of my
> > life I know we only use GSM [3G for data traffic].
> 
> You do realize that your 3G data is W-CDMA don't you?

When I'm talking GSM I'm not talking data traffic. I'm talking voice and
SMS. And I can use my iPhone as a cellphone while it is still working as
a 3G-modem for my MacBook.

> In Europe, the only CDMA for voice that I'm aware of is on the 450 MHz band.

In which country?
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:10:05 -0500, SMS wrote
(in article <4b699f9f$0$1605$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>):

> J.J. O'Shea wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:29:49 -0500, Larry wrote
>> (in article <Xns9D14239339888noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>):
>> 
>>> per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%
>>> per@RQNNE.invalid:
>>> 
>>>> and why should Apple develop a smartphone
>>>> for one country only?
>>>> 
>>> Because it's the elephant in the room and several other countries use CDMA 
>>> phones, too?
>>> 
>>> Just a guess.....(c;]
>>> 
>>> Maybe it's because the CDMA carrier's USA 3G coverage map looks like:
>>> 
>>> http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomp
>>> arison.pdf
>> 
>> I find this map quite interesting. I have a Verizon smartphone, and I live 
>> in 
>> West Palm Beach, Florida.
> 
> In South Florida, Verizon is all PCS (1900 MHz). AT&T Wireless had one 
> side of 800 MHz, and BellSouth had the other side of 800 MHz, and now 
> they have both sides as AT&T Mobility. This puts Verizon at a big 
> disadvantage because they need far more sites to cover a given area, 
> though in a dense urban setting like the tri-county area it should not 
> matter all that much. That said, Verizon is still top rated in South 
> Florida, at least for voice coverage and quality.

Maybe in Dade and Broward. They're piss-poor in Palm Beach County once you 
get west of I-95. Yes, there's perfect reception out in Palm Beach, itself... 
but I don't live on The Island, and I don't work there either. Out where _I_ 
live and work Verizon's service is the worst cell service I've ever seen, and 
that includes trying to use (ick) Cable & Wireless in Jamaica and elsewhere 
in the Caribbean. There's a _reason_ why Digicel ate C&W alive when they 
started up in Jamaica; Digicel sold the phones they'd budgeted for a year in 
the first three months, and had to bring in more. They went from zero phones 
to 250,000 in under six months, while C&W went from nearly 400,000 to well 
under 300,000 and falling free in the same time. Even when C&W literally gave 
away phones and cut their access rates they still lost customers, 'cause 
their service was _rotten_. Verizon is _worse_. At least where _I_ am.

-- 
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:49:20 -0500, Per R�nne wrote
(in article <1jdcm07.1xs2goprpg9hrN%per@RQNNE.invalid>):

> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> J.J. O'Shea wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:29:49 -0500, Larry wrote
>>> (in article <Xns9D14239339888noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>):
>>> 
>>>> per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdbtvv.1gy3wzp138x9qiN%
>>>> per@RQNNE.invalid:
>>>> 
>>>>> and why should Apple develop a smartphone
>>>>> for one country only?
>>>>> 
>>>> Because it's the elephant in the room and several other countries use CDMA
>>>> phones, too?
>>>> 
>>>> Just a guess.....(c;]
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe it's because the CDMA carrier's USA 3G coverage map looks like:
>>>> 
>>>> http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcom
>>>> p
>>>> arison.pdf
>>> 
>>> I find this map quite interesting. I have a Verizon smartphone, and I
>>> live in West Palm Beach, Florida.
>> 
>> In South Florida, Verizon is all PCS (1900 MHz). AT&T Wireless had one
>> side of 800 MHz, and BellSouth had the other side of 800 MHz, and now
>> they have both sides as AT&T Mobility. This puts Verizon at a big 
>> disadvantage because they need far more sites to cover a given area, 
>> though in a dense urban setting like the tri-county area it should not
>> matter all that much. That said, Verizon is still top rated in South 
>> Florida, at least for voice coverage and quality.
> 
> Do you know the word 'roaming' in the US? Which means that when a
> carrier's coverage isn't sufficient, their customers use a competitor's
> network.

Roaming means that you're about to be robbed at gunpoint by the cell company, 
'cause you're gonna be charge premium prices for minimum service. Verizon has 
(or had) a roaming agreement with Cable & Wireless in the Caribbean, 'cause 
until recently C&W used CDMA phones too. I looked at the 'roaming' prices and 
resolved to leave my Verizon phone in Florida just in case it might turn on 
accidentally. T-Mobile uses GSM. I've unlocked my T-Mobil phone and can just 
get a SIM from Digicel and use that while in the Caribbean. Roaming? What's 
that?

> 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaming_in_the_European_Union>
> 
> But of course that had demanded all carriers to apply to the same
> standards given by government [in reality ISO, the International
> Organization for Standardization].
> 



-- 
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J.J. O'Shea wrote:

> Roaming means that you're about to be robbed at gunpoint by the cell company, 
> 'cause you're gonna be charge premium prices for minimum service. Verizon has 
> (or had) a roaming agreement with Cable & Wireless in the Caribbean, 'cause 
> until recently C&W used CDMA phones too. I looked at the 'roaming' prices and 
> resolved to leave my Verizon phone in Florida just in case it might turn on 
> accidentally. T-Mobile uses GSM. I've unlocked my T-Mobil phone and can just 
> get a SIM from Digicel and use that while in the Caribbean. Roaming? What's 
> that?

This is true for international roaming, but not for in-country roaming 
in the U.S.. Now in the U.S. the four major carriers don't charge extra 
for roaming, but they severely limit it.

If you leave your phone on while doing international roaming but don't 
answer it, you can return the calls via a more economical method. I use 
my CDMA phone in Asia like this, returning the calls identified in the 
caller ID either from my GSM phone with a prepaid SIM, or from a 
landline via OneSuite international access numbers. If it rolls to voice 
mail they don't charge you for the call and at least on Verizon, AT&T, 
and T-Mobile you can access the voice mail systems via back-door numbers 
to check your messages.

"No Apple 4 Verizon!" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:52e56237-6106-
45da-920f-254416974cfb@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 3, 11:22�am, Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
>  ?
>>
>> To Larry, the world is defined as North America south of Canada, and 
nort
> h
>> of Mexico. �And maybe Alaska and Hawaii. �Nothing else counts.
>>
>> --
> 
> WRONG!
> 
> Larry has spent most of his life in South Carolina
> 
> North America is from south of the Mason Dixon Line  but does not
> include Florida which has too many Yankee Jews in it, it does not
> include Texas and south western states - too many Hispanics, nor does
> it include California and Atlanta - too many gays.
> 
> 

You got it all wrong, Vicky.  Hell, I lived in Iran and worked for the 
Iranian Air Force from 1977 until the shah left in 1979 when the theists 
took over and ruined the country.



-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

On 2010-02-03, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> If you leave your phone on while doing international roaming but don't 
> answer it, you can return the calls via a more economical method. I use 
> my CDMA phone in Asia like this, returning the calls identified in the 
> caller ID either from my GSM phone with a prepaid SIM, or from a 
> landline via OneSuite international access numbers. If it rolls to voice 
> mail they don't charge you for the call and at least on Verizon, AT&T, 
> and T-Mobile you can access the voice mail systems via back-door numbers 
> to check your messages.

I don't know about Verizon, but AT&T and T-Mobile charge you
double if you let a call go to voice mail while roaming; once
for the incoming call and once for the overseas operator's
call back to your voice mail.  I got AT&T, and T-Mobile before
them, to let me turn off the voice mail divert for exactly
this reason.

Dennis Ferguson

On Feb 3, 8:48=A0pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> "No Apple 4 Verizon!" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:52e56237-6106-
> 45da-920f-254416974...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 3, 11:22=A0am, Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > =A0?
>
> >> To Larry, the world is defined as North America south of Canada, and
> nort
> > h
> >> of Mexico. =A0And maybe Alaska and Hawaii. =A0Nothing else counts.
>
> >> --
>
> > WRONG!
>
> > Larry has spent most of his life in South Carolina
>
> > North America is from south of the Mason Dixon Line =A0but does not
> > include Florida which has too many Yankee Jews in it, it does not
> > include Texas and south western states - too many Hispanics, nor does
> > it include California and Atlanta - too many gays.
>
> You got it all wrong, Vicky. =A0Hell, I lived in Iran and worked for the
> Iranian Air Force from 1977 until the shah left in 1979 when the theists
> took over and ruined the country.
>
> --
> "iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"
>
> Larry

Well prove to me you love the Jews. Go to this month's Super Bowl in
their southern home in Miami. If SB Security doesn't get  you for your
wild posts on USENET the 'theists' will probably welcome an old friend
of the Shaw with a spectacular terrorist attack that will go down in
history which we can all see live on TV.

From what I read here on USENET IPHONE I see several admitting
Verizon's old network isn't so hot in Miami so don't count on your
PAGE PLUS being any  good around there either.

Maybe AT&T will allow you to have 3G for $30 on that Nokia 800 with a
3G USB dongle? You can call me on Skype  and allow me to hear your
dying words of wisdom.

"No Apple 4 Verizon!" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:dd483f0b-1a40-
473a-9b2d-4b9eed450ca9@g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

> Well prove to me you love the Jews. Go to this month's Super Bowl in
> their southern home in Miami. If SB Security doesn't get  you for your
> wild posts on USENET the 'theists' will probably welcome an old friend
> of the Shaw with a spectacular terrorist attack that will go down in
> history which we can all see live on TV.
> 

I've been an open atheist for over 40 years and don't apologize for it one 
bit.  There is no "god" or "ghosts" or "tooth fairy" or Santa Claus.  5,500
+ humans die because of one religious hatred of another every single day.

The Earth is NOT 6000 years old and if you believe we are doomed on 
December 22, 2012, you need to know that I have yet to find a real believer 
in any of it.  I've posted to the theists a challenge to sign over all 
their worldly real estate, vehicles, yachts, airplanes, etc., post dated 
DEC 31, 2012 and have yet to get a believer to take it.  They all know it's 
bullshit.

Your last sentence seems to be coming from the booze you've pickled 
yourself with, tonight.

.....as was the rest of it, so just "Fuck Off", as Billy Connolly would say.




-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

In article <Xns9D1529D8E7A58noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
 Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> The Earth is NOT 6000 years old and if you believe we are doomed on 
> December 22, 2012, you need to know that I have yet to find a real 
> believer in any of it.  I've posted to the theists a challenge to sign 
> over all their worldly real estate, vehicles, yachts, airplanes, etc., 
> post dated DEC 31, 2012 and have yet to get a believer to take it.  They 
> all know it's bullshit.

Apparently the theists you've challenged do not subscribe to the ancient 
Mayan religion.

BTW, you were wrong when you wrote this:

> until the shah left in 1979 when the theists took over and ruined the 
> country.

You were wrong because it was merely a regime change from one form of 
theism to another.  It was a change from Christianity to Islam.

-- 
Member National Rifle Association
Member American Civil Liberties Union
Member Human Rights Campaign
Member Arizona Road Racers

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <Xns9D1529D8E7A58noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
>  Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> 
> > The Earth is NOT 6000 years old and if you believe we are doomed on
> > December 22, 2012, you need to know that I have yet to find a real 
> > believer in any of it.  I've posted to the theists a challenge to sign
> > over all their worldly real estate, vehicles, yachts, airplanes, etc.,
> > post dated DEC 31, 2012 and have yet to get a believer to take it.  They
> > all know it's bullshit.
> 
> Apparently the theists you've challenged do not subscribe to the ancient
> Mayan religion.
> 
> BTW, you were wrong when you wrote this:
> 
> > until the shah left in 1979 when the theists took over and ruined the
> > country.
> 
> You were wrong because it was merely a regime change from one form of
> theism to another.  It was a change from Christianity to Islam.

Actually, the Emperor was not a Christian. Reza II Pahlevi was a
shia-muslim - but of course not a Radical such.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

In article <1jdeh0n.y5b70o2fxqlgN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
 per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:

> Actually, the Emperor was not a Christian. Reza II Pahlevi was a 
> shia-muslim - but of course not a Radical such.

Thanks for the correction.  I don't know how or when I came to believe that 
he had been Christian.

-- 
Member National Rifle Association
Member American Civil Liberties Union
Member Human Rights Campaign
Member Arizona Road Racers

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The question is whether or not it's possible for AT&T to support tethering
> only for the iPad, and not other devices. They might be willing to do it
> for a relatively low extra cost per month if it's possible.

Also, the question is whether the WiFi iPad will support 3G access
through an iPhone or another smartphone. It depends on how bluetooth is
implemented on the iPad.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

<BreadWithSpam@fractious.net> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> writes:
> > In article <slrnhmkq6a.hn.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>,
> >  Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > It would be nice to be able to tether the iPad to your phone so you
> > > wouldn't need a second data plan.
> > 
> > Why would you need a data plan on the phone if you get an iPad?
> 
> Because you have your iPhone on you all the time, in your pocket.
> 
> If anything, it makes more sense for the iPhone to be the
> data connection to the net and let the iPad connect through
> that when you don't have wifi.

I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotsport with
the application MyWi. Which will only install on a jailbroken iPhone ...
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <1jdeh0n.y5b70o2fxqlgN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
>  per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:
> 
> > Actually, the Emperor was not a Christian. Reza II Pahlevi was a 
> > shia-muslim - but of course not a Radical such.
> 
> Thanks for the correction.  I don't know how or when I came to believe that
> he had been Christian.

I don't think any of the many Persian "Kings of Kings" has been
Christian. Until the Arabian conquest they were all Zoroastrians,
afterwards all Shia Muslims.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Per R�nne wrote:

<snip>

> I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
> bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotsport with
> the application MyWi.

Some executive at AT&T just had a heart attack.

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Per R�nne wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
> > bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotspot with
> > the application MyWi.
> 
> Some executive at AT&T just had a heart attack.

<http://www.rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html>

The first reasonable reason for jailbreaking one's iPhone I've seen ...
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Per R�nne wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Per R�nne wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
>>> bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotspot with
>>> the application MyWi.
>> Some executive at AT&T just had a heart attack.
> 
> <http://www.rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html>
> 
> The first reasonable reason for jailbreaking one's iPhone I've seen ...

Hmm, imagine if someone gets this working on an iPad. $30/month true 
unlimited 3G data.

In article <1jdeq1l.1jsppsmsy7tvrN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
 per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:

> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Per R�nne wrote:
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > > I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
> > > bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotspot with
> > > the application MyWi.
> > 
> > Some executive at AT&T just had a heart attack.
> 
> <http://www.rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html>
> 
> The first reasonable reason for jailbreaking one's iPhone I've seen ...

And yet amazingly enough, this is _still_ entirely off-topic for 
comp.sys.mac.comm.

-- 
Tom "Tom" Harrington
Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002
http://www.atomicbird.com/

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Per R�nne wrote:
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Per R�nne wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>> I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
> >>> bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotspot with
> >>> the application MyWi.
> >> Some executive at AT&T just had a heart attack.
> > 
> > <http://www.rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html>
> > 
> > The first reasonable reason for jailbreaking one's iPhone I've seen ...
> 
> Hmm, imagine if someone gets this working on an iPad. $30/month true 
> unlimited 3G data.

It doesn't have to work on an iPad. If it works on an iPhone the iPad
will conceive the iPhone as just another WiFi hotspot. And you can
choose to content with an iPad WiFi, without 3G and the extra $130 that
will cost you.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Tom Harrington <tph@pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> wrote:

> In article <1jdeq1l.1jsppsmsy7tvrN%per@RQNNE.invalid>,
>  per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote:
> 
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Per R�nne wrote:
> > > 
> > > <snip>
> > > 
> > > > I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
> > > > bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotspot with
> > > > the application MyWi.
> > > 
> > > Some executive at AT&T just had a heart attack.
> > 
> > <http://www.rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html>
> > 
> > The first reasonable reason for jailbreaking one's iPhone I've seen ...
> 
> And yet amazingly enough, this is _still_ entirely off-topic for 
> comp.sys.mac.comm.

It was the original poster who set up the crosspostings. In order to
remove that crossposting everybody has to do the following:

FUT misc.phone.mobile.iphone
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Per R�nne wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Per R�nne wrote:
>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Per R�nne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I have seen that if the WiFi iPad doesn't support tethering through
>>>>> bluetooth, it is possible to let the iPhone act as a WiFi hotspot with
>>>>> the application MyWi.
>>>> Some executive at AT&T just had a heart attack.
>>> <http://www.rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html>
>>>
>>> The first reasonable reason for jailbreaking one's iPhone I've seen ...
>> Hmm, imagine if someone gets this working on an iPad. $30/month true 
>> unlimited 3G data.
> 
> It doesn't have to work on an iPad. If it works on an iPhone the iPad
> will conceive the iPhone as just another WiFi hotspot. And you can
> choose to content with an iPad WiFi, without 3G and the extra $130 that
> will cost you.

In the U.S., the difference is in the cost. If you have unlimited 3G 
data on an iPad for $30/month, and you can use your laptop, WiFi smart 
phone with no data plan, etc. through the iPad, you're going to save a 
lot of money each month. By contrast, if you have an iPhone on AT&T 
you're paying at least $70 month before taxes, fees, and messages, for 
only 450 minutes a month.. Realistically, if you sign up for 900 minutes 
a month, and 200 messages a month, you're going to be at around $115 a 
month once you pay all the taxes and fees.

In the U.S., if you don't want to pay two 3G bills a month, you're much 
better off with either an unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile prepaid with no 
data plan, and a $30 a month iPad, or an smart phone or multimedia phone 
on Verizon's prepaid carrier PagePlus which offers 1200 minutes, 1200 
messages, and 50MB of data for under $30 a month.

I expect that AT&T may decide to give a break on 3G service to those 
that want both an iPhone and an iPad on 3G, or a lot of the iPad 
customers will drop their iPhone, or unlock it and use it on T-Mobile 
prepaid.

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in news:michelle-
5FC84D.08352504022010@nothing.attdns.com:

> You were wrong because it was merely a regime change from one form of 
> theism to another.  It was a change from Christianity to Islam.
> 

And You are wrong.  The Shah was a secularist monarch.  His country has 
been majority Islamic for over a thousand years.  The change was from a 
secular monarchy to an Islamic dictatorship of the mullahs.

I was there when it happened.....
.....unfortunately.

-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> In the U.S., the difference is in the cost. If you have unlimited 3G 
> data on an iPad for $30/month, and you can use your laptop, WiFi smart
> phone with no data plan, etc. through the iPad, you're going to save a
> lot of money each month. By contrast, if you have an iPhone on AT&T 
> you're paying at least $70 month before taxes, fees, and messages, for
> only 450 minutes a month.. Realistically, if you sign up for 900 minutes
> a month, and 200 messages a month, you're going to be at around $115 a
> month once you pay all the taxes and fees.

The main difference is that you will always have your iPhone in a
trouser pocket or in your belt. You will not want to go around with your
iPad everywhere. For that purpose it is too big and clumsy.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in news:michelle-
> 5FC84D.08352504022010@nothing.attdns.com:
> 
> > You were wrong because it was merely a regime change from one form of
> > theism to another.  It was a change from Christianity to Islam.
> > 
> 
> And You are wrong.  The Shah was a secularist monarch.  His country has
> been majority Islamic for over a thousand years.  The change was from a
> secular monarchy to an Islamic dictatorship of the mullahs.
> 
> I was there when it happened.....
> ....unfortunately.

Yes - a secular emperor culturally based on shia islam and politically
on enlightened despotism. Compare him with Russia's Peter the Great and
Germany's Joseph II.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdfbzu.1qciwhl11o3zsnN%
per@RQNNE.invalid:

> You will not want to go around with your
> iPad everywhere. For that purpose it is too big and clumsy.
> -- 
> 

Precisely why I think it's going to crash.  If you have to carry an iPad 
around, why not just carry your Mac Air or great little netbook and have a 
REAL computer running your favorite software.....not some Apple Box Office 
gadget all hobbled up.  


-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

In article <Xns9D162D1D9C8Bnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> > You will not want to go around with your
> > iPad everywhere. For that purpose it is too big and clumsy.

> Precisely why I think it's going to crash.  If you have to carry an iPad 
> around, why not just carry your Mac Air or great little netbook and have a 
> REAL computer running your favorite software.....not some Apple Box Office 
> gadget all hobbled up.

bigger, heavier, shorter battery life and not optimized for the things
that the ipad does. different product for a different purpose. and what
if the person's favourite software is on the ipad?

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdfbzu.1qciwhl11o3zsnN%
> per@RQNNE.invalid:
> 
> > You will not want to go around with your iPad everywhere. For that
> > purpose it is too big and clumsy.

> Precisely why I think it's going to crash.  If you have to carry an iPad
> around, why not just carry your Mac Air or great little netbook and have a
> REAL computer running your favorite software.....not some Apple Box Office
> gadget all hobbled up.  

A laptop is too big and clumsy to use as an eBook in a bus or train. An
iPhone too small. But just handy for lots of other stuff.

FUT misc.phone.mobile.iphone
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

per@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne) wrote in news:1jdfc4k.1xjjk3n1pn71nkN%
per@RQNNE.invalid:

> Yes - a secular emperor culturally based on shia islam and politically
> on enlightened despotism. Compare him with Russia's Peter the Great and
> Germany's Joseph II.
> -- 
> 

Not all Iranians hated the Shahanshah.  I stood in a long line of screaming 
Iranian fans behind a low fence waiting for Her Majesty, the Shah's 
beautiful wife, to come by in Park-e Saie, which was about a block from my 
house in Tehran, a beautiful city park everyone enjoyed on a summer day.  
She was there for an art fair which was just huge!

Iran's problem when I lived there from 1977-79 was there were two kinds of 
Iranians....educated, hard working, filthy rich Iranians and uneducated, 
dirt poor Iranians with very little what we'd call "Middle Class".  There 
were two boys, about 12-13 years old, who dragged a gas welding rig and two 
big tool boxes down our street to a vacant lot full of waiting Jianes 
(French Peugot 2CV, the "Deux Chaveau" tiny car).  My 12-year-old Iranian 
taxi driver told me they were very rich because every day they fixed lots 
of cars in that vacant lot in the desert sun.  They had nearly no overhead!  
Very smart, indeed.  You'd see two little feet sticking out from under a 
2CV and hear the occasional clunk and curse like good mechanics anywhere.  
By sundown, the lot would be empty, the boys flush with Rials on their way 
back up the street towards home.  The poor Iranians, of course like poor 
people anywhere, were where the religious zealots got their base, promising 
them when the mullahs took over things would be different.  They kept their 
promise.  Iran is a decaying dump, today, its ports mostly empty, its proud 
oil tank farms destroyed or deserted, it's people all dirt poor....except 
for the mullahs.



-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:040220102119483303%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> bigger, heavier, shorter battery life and not optimized for the things
> that the ipad does. different product for a different purpose. and what
> if the person's favourite software is on the ipad?
> 
> 

You misread, as usual to defend the company.  They don't now have 
iPads...they have netbooks or AIR and are already using them for ebooks.  I 
don't think they will waste another 500-1000 dollars (50-75 Euros) on an 
iPad to do something they already are comfortable with that reads ALL the 
formats, not just the ones Apple/ATT/ebook store chooses to allow read on 
iPad.

Will it read .lit?  Will it read a .lit ALOUD to them as they lay in bed?  
They can now and are doing it by the thousands.  I just don't think it's 
going to be "cool enough" to replace the AIR they paid BIG MONEY for just 
last fall or compete with the ubiquitous $299 netbook already in their 
hands that does everything their desktop computer can do with the SAME 
SOFTWARE iPad won't run.

-- 
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

On 2010-02-03, Per Rønne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Per Rønne wrote:
>> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries.
>> > 
>> > I have been directed to such a list. It listed Denmark as one of these
>> > countries - but since I'm a Dane who has lived in Denmark for all of my
>> > life I know we only use GSM [3G for data traffic].
>> 
>> You do realize that your 3G data is W-CDMA don't you?
>
> When I'm talking GSM I'm not talking data traffic. I'm talking voice and
> SMS. And I can use my iPhone as a cellphone while it is still working as
> a 3G-modem for my MacBook.

Did you know that when you are using 3G for data you are also using
3G for voice?  You can only connect to one network at once, whether
it is 3G or 2G, and which ever network you are connected to provides
both voice and data.

Users in San Francisco know this since AT&T's 3G network, which is
overloaded, drops voice calls in busy places, but forcing the phone
back to the less-busy GSM network usually fixes that.  And in fact
the carrier you use, 3, has no GSM network in Denmark but voice still
works.

>> In Europe, the only CDMA for voice that I'm aware of is on the 450 MHz band.
>
> In which country?

I'm curious about that one.  Do you know this company?

    http://www.ice.net/dk

They're listed as a 450 MHz CDMA operator in Denmark.

Dennis Ferguson

On 2010-02-03, Per Rønne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries.
>
> I have been directed to such a list. It listed Denmark as one of these
> countries - but since I'm a Dane who has lived in Denmark for all of my
> life I know we only use GSM [3G for data traffic].
>
> This means I cannot trust such a list.

You can't trust that list since it includes companies which gave
up on CDMA years ago or which never operated a CDMA network at all
(e.g. Telefonica in Mexico, LaqTel in Trinidad).  I'm not sure it
is wrong about Demark, though.

Dennis Ferguson

Larry wrote:

> Will it read .lit?  Will it read a .lit ALOUD to them as they lay in bed?  
> They can now and are doing it by the thousands.  I just don't think it's 
> going to be "cool enough" to replace the AIR they paid BIG MONEY for just 
> last fall 

Well that's the problem Larry. The Air, while a very nice form factor 
with a good screen, was too expensive and did not sell in high volumes. 
Instead, there were a lot of people installing OSX on netbooks.

You're looking at the iPad from the wrong angle. Neither a netbook or an 
iPad is intended to replace a desktop or laptop. They are small form 
factor devices to use when you don't want to carry something larger. The 
netbook runs all standard software and can even have multiple operating 
systems installed, but you would not want to run anything that needs a 
lot of processing power on it. The iPad runs all iPhone software and 
will likely be a better eBook reader than a netbook. And with much lower 
cost 3G service on an iPad than a netbook, the iPad has a big advantage 
in wireless.

I hope the iPad is a huge success. This will drive applications 
development. Hopefully no one will have to jail break an iPad to get 
many of the useful applications, as is the case with the iPhone.

Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

> On 2010-02-03, Per R�nne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Per R�nne wrote:
> >> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries.
> >> > 
> >> > I have been directed to such a list. It listed Denmark as one of these
> >> > countries - but since I'm a Dane who has lived in Denmark for all of my
> >> > life I know we only use GSM [3G for data traffic].
> >> 
> >> You do realize that your 3G data is W-CDMA don't you?
> >
> > When I'm talking GSM I'm not talking data traffic. I'm talking voice and
> > SMS. And I can use my iPhone as a cellphone while it is still working as
> > a 3G-modem for my MacBook.
> 
> Did you know that when you are using 3G for data you are also using
> 3G for voice?  You can only connect to one network at once, whether
> it is 3G or 2G, and which ever network you are connected to provides
> both voice and data.

Not as far as I know.

> Users in San Francisco know this since AT&T's 3G network, which is
> overloaded, drops voice calls in busy places, but forcing the phone
> back to the less-busy GSM network usually fixes that.  And in fact
> the carrier you use, 3, has no GSM network in Denmark but voice still
> works.

According to:

<http://www.3.dk/Business/Mobilt-bredband/Sikkerhed/netverk/>

- unfortunately in Danish only

They use UMTS.

> >> In Europe, the only CDMA for voice that I'm aware of is on the 450 MHz
> >> band.
> >>
> > In which country?
> 
> I'm curious about that one.  Do you know this company?
> 
>     http://www.ice.net/dk

I've never heard about it.

> They're listed as a 450 MHz CDMA operator in Denmark.

And I have now crossposted to the Danish cellphone group - where people
who know more about the matter can respond.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

> On 2010-02-03, Per R�nne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Uh, CDMA is used in about 50 countries.
> >
> > I have been directed to such a list. It listed Denmark as one of these
> > countries - but since I'm a Dane who has lived in Denmark for all of my
> > life I know we only use GSM [3G for data traffic].
> >
> > This means I cannot trust such a list.
> 
> You can't trust that list since it includes companies which gave
> up on CDMA years ago or which never operated a CDMA network at all
> (e.g. Telefonica in Mexico, LaqTel in Trinidad).  I'm not sure it

Also to the Danish cellphone group.
-- 
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe