I've noted, and with great frustration, that with a great many websites where 
one can purchase something the price itself is not revealed until you 
actually begin the process of placing an order. I'll be frank and state that 
I am truly hesitant to order from any company which does this. I'll 
complement Apple in that there website is such that the price of an item is 
readily available without one having to go through the motions of placing an 
order.

So, am I just being a grump or do others feel as I do?     :-)

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In article <0001HW.C704D6920009A91DB01029BF@News.Individual.NET>,
 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> I've noted, and with great frustration, that with a great many websites where 
> one can purchase something the price itself is not revealed until you 
> actually begin the process of placing an order. I'll be frank and state that 
> I am truly hesitant to order from any company which does this. I'll 
> complement Apple in that there website is such that the price of an item is 
> readily available without one having to go through the motions of placing an 
> order.
> 
> So, am I just being a grump or do others feel as I do?     :-)

I get annoyed when they won't tell you the _shipping_ costs until you do 
a final checkout, though. I won't give a credit card number out until I 
know how much I'm going to be charged.

I've never seen a site that has stuff I'm interested in where the prices 
aren't listed, though. Ferchrisake, that's why we shop online -- to 
compare prices. What are you purchasing?
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with a giant halfwit on a dark deserted street.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:52:48 -0500, Warren Oates wrote (in article 
<005b4669$0$23344$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>): 

[responding to my having grumped about websites that don't display the price 
of a product until you initiate an option to purchase] 

> I've never seen a site that has stuff I'm interested in where the prices 
> aren't listed, though. Ferchrisake, that's why we shop online -- to 
> compare prices. What are you purchasing? 

The site that prompted my posting was <http://www.endnote.com/> where one can 
purchase the software package Endnote. Unless I'm mistaken one has to 
initiate the ordering process just to see the price. 


-- 
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TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> The site that prompted my posting was <http://www.endnote.com/> where one can
> purchase the software package Endnote. Unless I'm mistaken one has to
> initiate the ordering process just to see the price. 

You're mistaken. OTOH, I've occasionally seen items at Amazon where the
prices aren't revealed until you add them to the cart.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:09:43 -0500, Mike Rosenberg wrote (in article 
<1j7y4yw.cxsmkq1h5429sN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>): 

> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: 
> 
>> The site that prompted my posting was <http://www.endnote.com/> where one 
>> can purchase the software package Endnote. Unless I'm mistaken one has to 
>> initiate the ordering process just to see the price. 
> 
> You're mistaken. OTOH, I've occasionally seen items at Amazon where the 
> prices aren't revealed until you add them to the cart. 

Where in the website I mentioned can I see the prices without initiating an 
order? I'm curious and would like to know!


-- 
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TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> >> The site that prompted my posting was <http://www.endnote.com/> where one
> >> can purchase the software package Endnote. Unless I'm mistaken one has to
> >> initiate the ordering process just to see the price. 
> > 
> > You're mistaken. OTOH, I've occasionally seen items at Amazon where the
> > prices aren't revealed until you add them to the cart. 
> 
> Where in the website I mentioned can I see the prices without initiating an
> order? I'm curious and would like to know!

http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=7438&SP=10007&CID
=0&PID=&PN=0&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0

I'm not sure how you can miss seeing the prices on the left.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:46:23 -0400, TaliesinSoft wrote
(in article <0001HW.C704EB5F000E8926B01029BF@News.Individual.NET>):

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:09:43 -0500, Mike Rosenberg wrote (in article 
> <1j7y4yw.cxsmkq1h5429sN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>): 
> 
>> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: 
>> 
>>> The site that prompted my posting was <http://www.endnote.com/> where one 
>>> can purchase the software package Endnote. Unless I'm mistaken one has to 
>>> initiate the ordering process just to see the price. 
>> 
>> You're mistaken. OTOH, I've occasionally seen items at Amazon where the 
>> prices aren't revealed until you add them to the cart. 
> 
> Where in the website I mentioned can I see the prices without initiating an 
> order? I'm curious and would like to know!
> 
> 
> 

Here: (I'd hardly consider this "initiating an order.")
http://www.endnote.com/enbuy.asp

-- 
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:13:27 -0500, Joe D wrote (in article 
<0001HW.C704FFC700DE00BCB03139BF@news.eternal-september.org>): 

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:46:23 -0400, TaliesinSoft wrote (in article 
> <0001HW.C704EB5F000E8926B01029BF@News.Individual.NET>): 
> 
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:09:43 -0500, Mike Rosenberg wrote (in article 
>> <1j7y4yw.cxsmkq1h5429sN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>): 
>> 
>>> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> The site that prompted my posting was <http://www.endnote.com/> where 
>>>> one can purchase the software package Endnote. Unless I'm mistaken one 
>>>> has to initiate the ordering process just to see the price. 
>>> 
>>> You're mistaken. OTOH, I've occasionally seen items at Amazon where the 
>>> prices aren't revealed until you add them to the cart. 
>> 
>> Where in the website I mentioned can I see the prices without initiating 
>> an order? I'm curious and would like to know! 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Here: (I'd hardly consider this "initiating an order.") 
> http://www.endnote.com/enbuy.asp 

Out of curiosity how di you navigate to the above mentioned page from the 
home page for Endnote?



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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:09:03 -0500, Mike Rosenberg wrote (in article 
<1j7y7os.1cxb6b98mevfN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>): 

> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: 
> 
>>>> The site that prompted my posting was <http://www.endnote.com/> where 
>>>> one can purchase the software package Endnote. Unless I'm mistaken one 
>>>> has to initiate the ordering process just to see the price. 
>>> 
>>> You're mistaken. OTOH, I've occasionally seen items at Amazon where the 
>>> prices aren't revealed until you add them to the cart. 
>> 
>> Where in the website I mentioned can I see the prices without initiating 
>> an order? I'm curious and would like to know! 
> 
> http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=7438&SP=10007&CID 
> =0&PID=&PN=0&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0 
> 
> I'm not sure how you can miss seeing the prices on the left. 
 
Out of curiosity how did you navigate to the above mentioned page from the 
home page of the Endnote website?


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TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> > http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=7438&SP=10007&CID
> > =0&PID=&PN=0&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0 
> > 
> > I'm not sure how you can miss seeing the prices on the left. 
>  
> Out of curiosity how did you navigate to the above mentioned page from the
> home page of the Endnote website?

I clicked on Purchase, then on the link for US.

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On 2009-10-22 04:15:14 +0100, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> said:

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:13:27 -0500, Joe D wrote (in article
> <0001HW.C704FFC700DE00BCB03139BF@news.eternal-september.org>):
> 
>> Here: (I'd hardly consider this "initiating an order.")
>> http://www.endnote.com/enbuy.asp
> 
> Out of curiosity how di you navigate to the above mentioned page from the
> home page for Endnote?

The "purchase" page links to it: click "American Express [...]".
-- 
Chris

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:38:57 -0500, Chris Ridd wrote (in article 
<7kad00F38u4sqU1@mid.individual.net>): 

> On 2009-10-22 04:15:14 +0100, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> said: 
> 
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:13:27 -0500, Joe D wrote (in article 
>> <0001HW.C704FFC700DE00BCB03139BF@news.eternal-september.org>): 
>> 
>>> Here: (I'd hardly consider this "initiating an order.") 
>>> http://www.endnote.com/enbuy.asp 
>> 
>> Out of curiosity how di you navigate to the above mentioned page from the 
>> home page for Endnote? 
> 
> The "purchase" page links to it: click "American Express [...]". 

To me the fact that you have to identify your method of payment just to see 
the price is in itself irritating! 


-- 
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:22:50 -0500, Mike Rosenberg wrote (in article 
<1j7ym85.mt4isx1gxjgnfN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>): 

> TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: 
> 
>>> http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=7438&SP=10007&CID 
>>> =0&PID=&PN=0&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0 
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure how you can miss seeing the prices on the left. 
>> 
>> Out of curiosity how did you navigate to the above mentioned page from the 
>> home page of the Endnote website? 
> 
> I clicked on Purchase, then on the link for US. 

Mike,

Interestingly part of the quoting of my earlier posting has appeared as the 
above gobbledygook. The question now is what is responsible for the error, my 
newsreader or yours or something amiss in the servers in between.

Jim


-- 
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In article <0001HW.C705E3CA0048C1C4B02A89BF@News.Individual.NET>,
 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:38:57 -0500, Chris Ridd wrote (in article 
> <7kad00F38u4sqU1@mid.individual.net>): 
> 
> > On 2009-10-22 04:15:14 +0100, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> said: 
> > 
> >> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:13:27 -0500, Joe D wrote (in article 
> >> <0001HW.C704FFC700DE00BCB03139BF@news.eternal-september.org>): 
> >> 
> >>> Here: (I'd hardly consider this "initiating an order.") 
> >>> http://www.endnote.com/enbuy.asp 
> >> 
> >> Out of curiosity how di you navigate to the above mentioned page from the 
> >> home page for Endnote? 
> > 
> > The "purchase" page links to it: click "American Express [...]". 
> 
> To me the fact that you have to identify your method of payment just to see 
> the price is in itself irritating!

The link text is just badly phrased.  The two links lead to two different web 
stores.  The first is Endnote's own web store, which only accepts AmEx, Visa, 
and MC.  The second is Digital River, which accepts other payment methods.

A lot of publishers/manufacturers avoid posting prices outside their web store 
when the product is also available through distributors or third-party web 
stores.

TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> >>> http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_Main.Entry17c?SID=7438&SP=10007&CID
> >>> =0&PID=&PN=0&CUR=840&DSP=&PGRP=0&ABCODE=&CACHE_ID=0 
> >>> 
> >>> I'm not sure how you can miss seeing the prices on the left. 
> >> 
> >> Out of curiosity how did you navigate to the above mentioned page from the
> >> home page of the Endnote website? 
> > 
> > I clicked on Purchase, then on the link for US. 
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Interestingly part of the quoting of my earlier posting has appeared as the
> above gobbledygook. The question now is what is responsible for the error, my
> newsreader or yours or something amiss in the servers in between.

That's the URL as I copied an pasted it, now with quoting characters and
line break inserted.

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