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Creating a Bootable Mac OS 9 CD in Mac OS X

I have a bootable Mac OS 9 CD for an old Power Mac. I need to duplicate 
the System Folder with a few extra extensions and create a bootable CD 
for emergency reboot on the old computer.

My new iMac does not run Classic. I copied the "System Folder" from the 
Mac OS 9 CD to the new iMac and burned a CD-R. The old Power Mac does 
not boot from the CD-R when I restart it holding down "C".

My investigation revealed that the System Folder in a bootable CD-R must 
be "blessed" by turning on a boot bit or something. When I copied the 
System Folder to the iMac, it became unblessed. How can I turn on the 
boot bit on the iMac running only Mac OS X and no Classic?

TIA.
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2/29/2004 4:28:08 AM
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In article <ndurant-DD1E1D.23280828022004@news.videotron.net>,
 Nathalie Durant <ndurant@potentium.ca> wrote:

> I have a bootable Mac OS 9 CD for an old Power Mac. I need to duplicate 
> the System Folder with a few extra extensions and create a bootable CD 
> for emergency reboot on the old computer.
> 
> My new iMac does not run Classic. I copied the "System Folder" from the 
> Mac OS 9 CD to the new iMac and burned a CD-R. The old Power Mac does 
> not boot from the CD-R when I restart it holding down "C".
> 
> My investigation revealed that the System Folder in a bootable CD-R must 
> be "blessed" by turning on a boot bit or something. When I copied the 
> System Folder to the iMac, it became unblessed. How can I turn on the 
> boot bit on the iMac running only Mac OS X and no Classic?
> 
> TIA.

That's not the only problem.  Blessing isn't the problem (command line 
'bless -folder9 ...' will bless the folder - if it is in a seperate 
volume).  But the CD will still not be bootable because the 'boot' code 
also must be in the boot sector of the startup CD itself.  I have found 
no way to make a bootable OS 9 CD while booted into OS X, even Toast 
won't do it.  I maintain a whole library of OS 9 disk images for our 
school on my G4 MDD running Panther, but I have to boot into OS 9 when I 
want to burn a OS 9 boot CD.  Maybe someone else has found a way to do 
this from OS X, and if so I would sure like to know how also - it's a 
real pain having to boot into OS 9 all the time - but at least I can; 
you can't.

-- 
-Ernie-

 "There are only two kinds of computer users -- those who have
 suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure, and those who will."

             Have you done your backup today?
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2/29/2004 3:34:15 PM
Ernie Klein <eckleinspammenot@pacbell.net> wrote:

> I have found no way to make a bootable OS 9 CD while booted into OS X,
> even Toast won't do it.  I maintain a whole library of OS 9 disk images
> for our school on my G4 MDD running Panther, but I have to boot into OS 9
> when I want to burn a OS 9 boot CD.

To copy a bootable CD in Panther, use Disk Utility to save a "DVD/CD
master" image from the CD. A bootable CD inserted in the optical drive
should appear as an indented set of entries in the upper left pane of
Disk Utility. The first entry will contain the name of the optical
drive; the second will usually be "Session 1"; and the third will be the
name of the HFS volume on the CD (that appears on the Desktop). Select
the middle entry ("Session 1"), then select the last item in the New
submenu of the Images menu, which will usually read "Image from
disk1s1...". In the resulting Save dialog, select "DVD/CD master" in the
Image Format pop-up (and "none" for Encryption). 

Once Disk Utility has finished saving the image file (with a .cdr
filename extension) you can use that file to burn a bootable CD from
Disk Utility or Toast. Do not mount the image file; just burn it. 

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2/29/2004 8:28:32 PM
In article <1g9x0d2.shv7y8hjdptwN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>,
 neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote:

> Ernie Klein <eckleinspammenot@pacbell.net> wrote:
> 
> > I have found no way to make a bootable OS 9 CD while booted into OS X,
> > even Toast won't do it.  I maintain a whole library of OS 9 disk images
> > for our school on my G4 MDD running Panther, but I have to boot into OS 9
> > when I want to burn a OS 9 boot CD.
> 
> To copy a bootable CD in Panther, use Disk Utility to save a "DVD/CD
> master" image from the CD. A bootable CD inserted in the optical drive
> should appear as an indented set of entries in the upper left pane of
> Disk Utility. The first entry will contain the name of the optical
> drive; the second will usually be "Session 1"; and the third will be the
> name of the HFS volume on the CD (that appears on the Desktop). Select
> the middle entry ("Session 1"), then select the last item in the New
> submenu of the Images menu, which will usually read "Image from
> disk1s1...". In the resulting Save dialog, select "DVD/CD master" in the
> Image Format pop-up (and "none" for Encryption). 
> 
> Once Disk Utility has finished saving the image file (with a .cdr
> filename extension) you can use that file to burn a bootable CD from
> Disk Utility or Toast. Do not mount the image file; just burn it. 

Thanks! I would like to try this method. Before burning the image to a 
blank CD-R, I have to add a couple of extra files to the Extensions 
folder in System Folder. How can I slightly modify the image file? I 
have Disk Utility but not Toast.

TIA again.
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ndurant (8)
2/29/2004 11:18:05 PM
In article <1g9x0d2.shv7y8hjdptwN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>,
 neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote:

> Ernie Klein <eckleinspammenot@pacbell.net> wrote:
> 
> > I have found no way to make a bootable OS 9 CD while booted into OS X,
> > even Toast won't do it.  I maintain a whole library of OS 9 disk images
> > for our school on my G4 MDD running Panther, but I have to boot into OS 9
> > when I want to burn a OS 9 boot CD.
> 
> To copy a bootable CD in Panther, use Disk Utility to save a "DVD/CD
> master" image from the CD. A bootable CD inserted in the optical drive
> should appear as an indented set of entries in the upper left pane of
> Disk Utility. The first entry will contain the name of the optical
> drive; the second will usually be "Session 1"; and the third will be the
> name of the HFS volume on the CD (that appears on the Desktop). Select
> the middle entry ("Session 1"), then select the last item in the New
> submenu of the Images menu, which will usually read "Image from
> disk1s1...". In the resulting Save dialog, select "DVD/CD master" in the
> Image Format pop-up (and "none" for Encryption). 
> 
> Once Disk Utility has finished saving the image file (with a .cdr
> filename extension) you can use that file to burn a bootable CD from
> Disk Utility or Toast. Do not mount the image file; just burn it. 
> 
Your last sentence is the problem:

   "Do not mount the image file; just burn it."

The problem isn't to copy a bootable CD, (which can be done in several 
ways), but to create an image from a bootable CD (or use an existing 
image, in my case) and mount it, modify it to add new, or updated 
applications, extensions, etc., create a new disk image and _then_ burn 
a _new_ bootable CD, that will boot in OS 9.  I have not found any way 
to take a set of files and create a disk image from that set of files 
and then creat a CD that will boot on OS 9 from OS X  (it's easy to do 
from OS 9).

-- 
-Ernie-

 "There are only two kinds of computer users -- those who have
 suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure, and those who will."

             Have you done your backup today?
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3/1/2004 4:42:32 AM
Nathalie Durant <ndurant@potentium.ca> wrote:

> Thanks! I would like to try this method. Before burning the image to a
> blank CD-R, I have to add a couple of extra files to the Extensions 
> folder in System Folder. How can I slightly modify the image file? I 
> have Disk Utility but not Toast.

Double-click the disk image to mount it. Drag items you want to add to
the appropriate location in the mounted image. Then unmount (eject) the
mounted volume and use the image file to burn a CD. 

Be aware that adding things, especially Extensions, to a bootable CD's
System Folder can prevent startup or cause crashes after startup, as the
system on a bootable CD is specially configured so that no system items
need to write to the startup volume -- which is impossible when the
startup volume is a CD. 
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3/1/2004 6:06:14 AM
In article <1g9xwyu.1euio0g1oivxwkN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>,
 neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote:

> Nathalie Durant <ndurant@potentium.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks! I would like to try this method. Before burning the image to a
> > blank CD-R, I have to add a couple of extra files to the Extensions 
> > folder in System Folder. How can I slightly modify the image file? I 
> > have Disk Utility but not Toast.
> 
> Double-click the disk image to mount it. Drag items you want to add to
> the appropriate location in the mounted image. Then unmount (eject) the
> mounted volume and use the image file to burn a CD. 

When I tried it, the mounted image is a "Read-only file system". 
Dragging items into the mounted image makes Finder complain "The item 
XXX could not be moved because System Folder cannot be modified".

"chmod" in Terminal doesn't work either. Any idea?
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ndurant (8)
3/1/2004 6:38:15 AM
Nathalie Durant <ndurant@potentium.ca> wrote:

> When I tried it, the mounted image is a "Read-only file system". 
> Dragging items into the mounted image makes Finder complain "The item
> XXX could not be moved because System Folder cannot be modified".
> 
> "chmod" in Terminal doesn't work either. Any idea?

Nope. On my system (10.3.2), the cdr images created by Disk Utility 10.4
mount as writable volumes, as do the images created by Toast 6.0.3. 

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3/1/2004 10:06:30 AM
Ernie Klein <eckleinspammenot@pacbell.net> wrote:

> The problem isn't to copy a bootable CD, (which can be done in several
> ways), but to create an image from a bootable CD (or use an existing 
> image, in my case) and mount it, modify it to add new, or updated 
> applications, extensions, etc., create a new disk image and _then_ burn
> a _new_ bootable CD, that will boot in OS 9.  I have not found any way
> to take a set of files and create a disk image from that set of files
> and then creat a CD that will boot on OS 9 from OS X  (it's easy to do
> from OS 9).

Running 10.3.2 (with Developer Tools installed, in case that makes any
difference), I can use Disk Utility 10.4 to create images from
9-bootable CDs that are writable when mounted and bootable when burned.
I can also do the same using Toast 6.0.3. 

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3/1/2004 10:06:32 AM
In article <1g9y7k2.1ibvz7k6hl7noN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>,
 neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote:

> Nathalie Durant <ndurant@potentium.ca> wrote:
> 
> > When I tried it, the mounted image is a "Read-only file system". 
> > Dragging items into the mounted image makes Finder complain "The item
> > XXX could not be moved because System Folder cannot be modified".
> > 
> > "chmod" in Terminal doesn't work either. Any idea?
> 
> Nope. On my system (10.3.2), the cdr images created by Disk Utility 10.4
> mount as writable volumes, as do the images created by Toast 6.0.3. 

My system is also (10.3.2), my Disk Utility is also 10.4. The .cdr still 
mounts read-only.

I also did in Terminal

sudo -s
hdiutil mount -readwrite "iMac Install CD.cdr"

but it still mounts read-only. You must log in as root account?
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ndurant (8)
3/1/2004 3:42:39 PM
In article <ndurant-ADA8BC.10423901032004@news.videotron.net>,
 Nathalie Durant <ndurant@potentium.ca> wrote:

> In article <1g9y7k2.1ibvz7k6hl7noN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>,
>  neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote:
> 
> > Nathalie Durant <ndurant@potentium.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > When I tried it, the mounted image is a "Read-only file system". 
> > > Dragging items into the mounted image makes Finder complain "The item
> > > XXX could not be moved because System Folder cannot be modified".
> > > 
> > > "chmod" in Terminal doesn't work either. Any idea?
> > 
> > Nope. On my system (10.3.2), the cdr images created by Disk Utility 10.4
> > mount as writable volumes, as do the images created by Toast 6.0.3. 
> 
> My system is also (10.3.2), my Disk Utility is also 10.4. The .cdr still 
> mounts read-only.
> 
> I also did in Terminal
> 
> sudo -s
> hdiutil mount -readwrite "iMac Install CD.cdr"
> 
> but it still mounts read-only. You must log in as root account?

First insert the CD so it is on the desktop, then open Disk Utility and 
select the CD in the left panel.  Click on New Image and you should get 
a dialog box asking for the Save As name; alos in that dialog box should 
be 'Image Format' which can be set read-only or read/write, which is 
what you want.

I agree with Neill that his method does produce a OS 9 bootable CD as 
the end product, however, even though the image is writable - it is not 
_growable_.  That is: the mounted image (as seen in 'Get Info') has zero 
available space, and any attempt to add a small file to the image fails.  
I can remove a file from the image, which creates available space, and 
then add my small file and burn a new CD, which is bootable, but I can't 
add new files to the image, which was the whole point in the first 
place, to add some new files to the boot CD.

Perhaps hdiutil has an option to do what we want.  I'll play with it if 
I get some time.  I'm thinking of the 'convert' option to attempt to 
convert the mounted image (from Disk Utility) to a UDSP (sparse 
growable) image.

-- 
-Ernie-

 "There are only two kinds of computer users -- those who have
 suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure, and those who will."

             Have you done your backup today?
0
3/1/2004 7:55:08 PM
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Hello all, Does anybody have experience with installing Maxc OS X on an older upgraded PCI Mac using the Sonnet PCI X installer? <http://www.sonnettech.com/downloads/osx_upgrade_sw.html> What limitations will such an install have besides the lack of speed? What about my adb mouse and other peripherals for instance? Is such an install worth the trouble? Any and all information is appreciated, Thanks, Steven -- steven@sifre.nl In article <3F19718E.1000405@sifre.nl>, Steven <steven@sifre.nl> wrote: > Does anybody have experience with installing Maxc OS X on an olde...

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Hello. Is it OK/safe to download the latest Mac OS X installer file on another Mac, with an older Mac OS X version, 10.7.5, through its App Store? Or does it have to be on the same machine? The reason is because work's Mac Mini has faster Internet connection (at work), but not allowed to use home's MacBook Pro on the network. I was hoping to download the installer with my Apple account and copy the huge 4+ GB file onto an USB drive. I hope this doesn't confuse and mess up the account and machines. Thank you in advance. :) -- Quote of the Week: "We now go live to Ollie Williams in Channel 5 traffic chopper. What's scene?" --Tom Tucker. "Everyone looks like ants!" "That is probably because you're up so high." from Family Guy. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \ Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ / Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. If crediting, ( ) then please kindly use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. In article <tuGdnbSS3tgmPd3PnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote: > Is it OK/safe to download the latest Mac OS X installer file on another > Mac, with an older Mac OS X version, 10.7.5, through its App Store? doesn't matter. In article <230920131614565258%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid...

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I acquired a 733MHz Quicksilver (2001) yesterday. I transferred the four hard drives, the CompUSA 5 port USB 2 card and the Sonnett Tempo ATA133 IDE card from the Sawtooth to the Quicksilver. The QS booted without issues, the hardware showed up properly in System Proflier, and I am able to access the Web, newsgroups and email. The only thing I had to re enter was the Drive Genius serial. And most important, I did not have to reactivate Tiger. I wonder why, Wintrolls. Just one more reason OS X is superior to Windoze. Chance Furlong wrote: > I acquired a 733MHz Quicksilver (2001) yesterday. I transferred the four > hard drives, the CompUSA 5 port USB 2 card and the Sonnett Tempo ATA133 > IDE card from the Sawtooth to the Quicksilver. > > The QS booted without issues, the hardware showed up properly in System > Proflier, and I am able to access the Web, newsgroups and email. > > The only thing I had to re enter was the Drive Genius serial. > > And most important, I did not have to reactivate Tiger. > > I wonder why, Wintrolls. > > Just one more reason OS X is superior to Windoze. I guess you don't use iTunes and thus didn't have to deal with de-authorizing and re-authorizing? Steve In article <Db6dnUuD3IftuQnVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>, Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote: > Chance Furlong wrote: > > I acquired a 733MHz Quicksilver (2001) yesterday. I transferred t...

Mac to mac
I just remembered these groups and wondered if someone here could tell me whether what I'd like to do is possible. (NO ONE around here knows anything about Macs) I have a G4 that was the top of the line in 1998. It will die one of these days. It's currently running OS 9.2.2. Someone else(who now lives far away) installed the internal modem, SCSI for my scanner, and my floppy drive (so I didn't have to go through hundreds of them for the bits and pieces I might someday want again). I still have the floppies and a number of Zips, all of which this computer can read. Install...

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