Leopard on Psystar - comp.sys.mac.system

This was on MacFixit: Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the option to have Leopard Pre-installed." Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, so we can replace it for you." Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. I wonder whether it will let you update Leopard whenever Apple provides system updates? What about security updates? And what happens when 10.6 is released? -- Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message news:michelle-9A8765.14470624042008@news.west.cox.net... > This was on MacFixit: > > Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, > Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: > > "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the > Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to > a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our > computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the > option to have Leopard Pre-installed." > > Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of > a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which > Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. > > "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option > available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, > so we can replace it for you." > > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. I > wonder whether it will let you update Leopard whenever Apple provides > system updates? What about security updates? > > And what happens when 10.6 is released? WTF do you care? Are you going to buy one?

> Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, > Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: > "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the > Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to > a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our > computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the > option to have Leopard Pre-installed." > Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of > a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which > Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. > "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option > available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, > so we can replace it for you." > > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. They're just trying to scare people the same as Apple does all the time. That's ironic. The whole point of the EFI patch is to make the everything very easy. Apple will probably update something soon that will wreck that EFI patch. Then the hassle factor will go way up. Not to many people want a computer that is frozen in time. > I wonder whether it will let you update Leopard whenever Apple provides > system updates? What about security updates? The EFI hack is supposed to remove those problems. Updates are supposed to be fine. > And what happens when 10.6 is released? As JR says, Google is your friend. Nobody is going to die if they don't get their computer updated. Its not as if Mac users have immense security concerns if their computers are not updated like Windows need to all the time. Most people wouldn't even notice if their system suddenly reverted back 6 months in time.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:47:06 -0500, Michelle Steiner wrote (in article <michelle-9A8765.14470624042008@news.west.cox.net>): [commenting on a MacFixit article on the Psystar "Mac clone"] > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. I wonder > whether it will let you update Leopard whenever Apple provides system > updates? What about security updates? Interestingly P. T. Barnum came immediately to my mind--you know, the famous (but apparently not actual) quote about who is born every minute! -- James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com

In article <noemailhere-C5A8EF.17035424042008@news.mts.net>, The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, > > Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: > > "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the > > Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to > > a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our > > computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the > > option to have Leopard Pre-installed." > > Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of > > a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which > > Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. > > "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option > > available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, > > so we can replace it for you." > > > > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. > > They're just trying to scare people the same as Apple does all the time. You're joking. Apple does not suggest shipping a Mac back to them just to get the OS installed. I don't think that's even an option. They assume you can do it yourself, because it's not hard to do with a Leopard DVD. > That's ironic. The whole point of the EFI patch is to make the > everything very easy. Apple will probably update something soon that > will wreck that EFI patch. Then the hassle factor will go way up. Not > to many people want a computer that is frozen in time. If that's what the EFI patch does, it must not do it very well if it's necessary to ship a computer back to the manufacturer in this situation. -- Tom "Tom" Harrington Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002 http://www.atomicbird.com/

In article <0001HW.C436721E000A6E54B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote: > Interestingly P. T. Barnum came immediately to my mind--you know, the > famous (but apparently not actual) quote about who is born every > minute! It's an actual quote, but not by him. -- Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

> > > Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, > > > Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: > > > "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the > > > Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to > > > a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our > > > computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the > > > option to have Leopard Pre-installed." > > > Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of > > > a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which > > > Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. > > > "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option > > > available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, > > > so we can replace it for you." > > > > > > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. > > > > They're just trying to scare people the same as Apple does all the time. > > You're joking. Apple does not suggest shipping a Mac back to them just > to get the OS installed. I don't think that's even an option. Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant that they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, just like Apple scares away people from opening their machine to perform as rudimentary a task as changing memory. Same mentality. Scare the customer so they come back to us. Take away power from the customer. Its used all the time. Very popular in the car industry of course when people are always tempted to use the "service center with lower prices down the street" instead of coming back to the dealer for very simple service needs. > They assume you can do it yourself, because it's not hard to do with a > Leopard DVD. Of course it is. One of the best things about OS X. > > That's ironic. The whole point of the EFI patch is to make the > > everything very easy. Apple will probably update something soon that > > will wreck that EFI patch. Then the hassle factor will go way up. Not > > to many people want a computer that is frozen in time. > > If that's what the EFI patch does, it must not do it very well if it's > necessary to ship a computer back to the manufacturer in this situation. No. That's Psystar trying to maintain control. If people knew how easy this was they would just buy the components off Newegg (for much less of course) and do it themselves. Psystar is contributing nothing. Does anyone have any idea what motherboard they are using? This seems shrouded in mystery. The mb is the main key to smooth installation and operation of OSX86. Especially as most modern mb's have built in LAN, Audio and Firewire and some have Raid 0 as well. So if the motherboard is 100% compatible your work is mostly taken care of. Then the next thing is the video card and any high end peripherals you might want to use. It can get complicated of course if you're a hardware demanding user.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:30:20 -0500, Michelle Steiner wrote (in article <michelle-E8E69E.18302024042008@news.west.cox.net>): > In article <0001HW.C436721E000A6E54B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, > TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote: > >> Interestingly P. T. Barnum came immediately to my mind--you know, the >> famous (but apparently not actual) quote about who is born every minute! > > It's an actual quote, but not by him. So, just who was the utterer? -- James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com

In article <0001HW.C436A15B0000ECE7B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:30:20 -0500, Michelle Steiner wrote (in article > <michelle-E8E69E.18302024042008@news.west.cox.net>): > > > In article <0001HW.C436721E000A6E54B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, > > TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote: > > > >> Interestingly P. T. Barnum came immediately to my mind--you know, the > >> famous (but apparently not actual) quote about who is born every minute! > > > > It's an actual quote, but not by him. > > So, just who was the utterer? http://www.bartleby.com/66/19/5619.html

In article <noemailhere-02A631.20322324042008@news.mts.net>, The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant that > they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, just > like Apple scares away people from opening their machine to perform > as rudimentary a task as changing memory. Apple doesn't do that. Except for the Mini and MacBook Air, which they don't mention changing memory at all, for all other models they print the instructions in a book and/or on the bottom of the computer itself. > Same mentality. Scare the customer so they come back to us. Baloney; they won't change the memory in a Mac Mini or MacBook Air, so there is no "come back to us" to change memory. -- Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

In article <0001HW.C436A15B0000ECE7B01AD9AF@News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@mac.coom> wrote: > >> Interestingly P. T. Barnum came immediately to my mind--you know, > >> the famous (but apparently not actual) quote about who is born > >> every minute! > > > > It's an actual quote, but not by him. > > So, just who was the utterer? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_sucker_born_every_minute> -- Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

In article <noemailhere-02A631.20322324042008@news.mts.net>, The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > > > Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, > > > > Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: > > > > "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the > > > > Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due > > > > to > > > > a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on > > > > our > > > > computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select > > > > the > > > > option to have Leopard Pre-installed." > > > > Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of > > > > a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which > > > > Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. > > > > "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option > > > > available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus > > > > shipping, > > > > so we can replace it for you." > > > > > > > > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. > > > > > > They're just trying to scare people the same as Apple does all the time. > > > > You're joking. Apple does not suggest shipping a Mac back to them just > > to get the OS installed. I don't think that's even an option. > > Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant that > they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, just like > Apple scares away people from opening their machine to perform as > rudimentary a task as changing memory. Same mentality. Scare the > customer so they come back to us. Err, except that adding RAM is described, with diagrams, in the booklet that came with my Mac. And of course, adding memory to a Mac is not a service Apple offers anyway, so even if they didn't supply instructions it's not like I could go back to them for this anyway. What were you talking about again? > Take away power from the customer. Its used all the time. Very > popular in the car industry of course when people are always tempted > to use the "service center with lower prices down the street" instead > of coming back to the dealer for very simple service needs. That's a pretty poor analogy given how common independent auto repair shops are. -- Tom "Tom" Harrington Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002 http://www.atomicbird.com/

In article <michelle-9A8765.14470624042008@news.west.cox.net>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > This was on MacFixit: > > Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, > Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: > > "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the > Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to > a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our > computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the > option to have Leopard Pre-installed." > > Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of > a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which > Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. > > "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option > available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, > so we can replace it for you." > > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. I > wonder whether it will let you update Leopard whenever Apple provides > system updates? What about security updates? > > And what happens when 10.6 is released? Current belief is that Psystar is a scam, hoax, or a messy hack. The business address has always been fake and the owner's other web sites seem a bit shady too. The author of the EFI emulator says Psystar is distributing his software in violation of his licensing terms. Search for "Psystar scam". -- Block Google's spam and enjoy Usenet again. Reply with Google and I won't hear from you.

In article <michelle-9BCB53.21325024042008@news.west.cox.net>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <noemailhere-02A631.20322324042008@news.mts.net>, > The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > > Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant that > > they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, just > > like Apple scares away people from opening their machine to perform > > as rudimentary a task as changing memory. > > Apple doesn't do that. Except for the Mini and MacBook Air, which they > don't mention changing memory at all, You're right. I was thinking about the Mini and I should have been specific.

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > This was on MacFixit: > > Perhaps most disconcerting, however, is a message that MacFixIt reader, > Tim Thomason, received from Psystar's support team, which reads: > > "We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the > Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to > a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our > computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the > option to have Leopard Pre-installed." > > Of course, the reader asked what options were available in the event of > a major system failure requiring Leopard reinstallation, to which > Psystar suggested a return shipment to the company. > > "Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option > available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, > so we can replace it for you." > > Great: a Hackintosh that won't let you install the OS yourself. I > wonder whether it will let you update Leopard whenever Apple provides > system updates? What about security updates? > > And what happens when 10.6 is released? Psystar sounds like Hystar sounds like shyster to me! 10 points to whomever catches the children's book reference! Dave -- There's a fine line between stupid and clever.

In article <noemailhere-68EE4A.02404525042008@news.mts.net>, The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > > Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant > > > that they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, > > > just like Apple scares away people from opening their machine to > > > perform as rudimentary a task as changing memory. > > > > Apple doesn't do that. Except for the Mini and MacBook Air, which > > they don't mention changing memory at all, > > You're right. I was thinking about the Mini and I should have been > specific. But you're still wrong. Apple won't upgrade or change the memory in a Mini, period; they don't "scare" people into coming back to them to get more memory for their Minis. However, Apple will replace bad memory chips for free under warranty or for a fee if out of warranty, for any Mac, including the Mini and MacBook Air. -- Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

In article <michelle-F27D8E.06511325042008@news.west.cox.net>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <noemailhere-68EE4A.02404525042008@news.mts.net>, > The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > > > > Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant > > > > that they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, > > > > just like Apple scares away people from opening their machine to > > > > perform as rudimentary a task as changing memory. > > > > > > Apple doesn't do that. Except for the Mini and MacBook Air, which > > > they don't mention changing memory at all, > > > > You're right. I was thinking about the Mini and I should have been > > specific. > > But you're still wrong. Apple won't upgrade or change the memory in a > Mini, period; they don't "scare" people into coming back to them to get > more memory for their Minis. Sorry you didn't understand the gist of my post. I meant Apple scares the customers of Minis to go back to the dealer for any memory changes instead of just doing it yourself. Most people don't make $100 an hour so for most of us its worth it. Whether you go to and Apple dealer or ship it back to Psystar - each scenario involves scare tactics to intimidate the customer into thinking its too dangerous for them to do themselves, especially if it voids some warranty. > However, Apple will replace bad memory chips for free under warranty or > for a fee if out of warranty, for any Mac, including the Mini and > MacBook Air. That's a given.

In article <noemailhere-824032.11020925042008@news.mts.net>, The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > In article <michelle-F27D8E.06511325042008@news.west.cox.net>, > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > In article <noemailhere-68EE4A.02404525042008@news.mts.net>, > > The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > > > > > > Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant > > > > > that they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, > > > > > just like Apple scares away people from opening their machine to > > > > > perform as rudimentary a task as changing memory. > > > > > > > > Apple doesn't do that. Except for the Mini and MacBook Air, which > > > > they don't mention changing memory at all, > > > > > > You're right. I was thinking about the Mini and I should have been > > > specific. > > > > But you're still wrong. Apple won't upgrade or change the memory in a > > Mini, period; they don't "scare" people into coming back to them to get > > more memory for their Minis. > > Sorry you didn't understand the gist of my post. I meant Apple scares > the customers of Minis to go back to the dealer for any memory changes > instead of just doing it yourself. Most people don't make $100 an hour > so for most of us its worth it. Whether you go to and Apple dealer or > ship it back to Psystar - each scenario involves scare tactics to > intimidate the customer into thinking its too dangerous for them to do > themselves, especially if it voids some warranty. Most people are not actually capable of upgrading the memory in a mini. How is it "scare tactics" to suggest that someone get help doing something they're not able to do themselves? With other Macs Apple does provide detailed do-it-yourself instructions. -- Tom "Tom" Harrington Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002 http://www.atomicbird.com/

In article <tph-F37225.14045525042008@localhost>, Tom Harrington <tph@pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> wrote: > In article <noemailhere-824032.11020925042008@news.mts.net>, > The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > > In article <michelle-F27D8E.06511325042008@news.west.cox.net>, > > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > > > > In article <noemailhere-68EE4A.02404525042008@news.mts.net>, > > > The New guy <noemailhere@please.comm> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Of course its not. Why would you assume such a thing? I meant > > > > > > that they are trying to make the install process sound difficult, > > > > > > just like Apple scares away people from opening their machine to > > > > > > perform as rudimentary a task as changing memory. > > > > > > > > > > Apple doesn't do that. Except for the Mini and MacBook Air, which > > > > > they don't mention changing memory at all, > > > > > > > > You're right. I was thinking about the Mini and I should have been > > > > specific. > > > > > > But you're still wrong. Apple won't upgrade or change the memory in a > > > Mini, period; they don't "scare" people into coming back to them to get > > > more memory for their Minis. > > > > Sorry you didn't understand the gist of my post. I meant Apple scares > > the customers of Minis to go back to the dealer for any memory changes > > instead of just doing it yourself. Most people don't make $100 an hour > > so for most of us its worth it. Whether you go to and Apple dealer or > > ship it back to Psystar - each scenario involves scare tactics to > > intimidate the customer into thinking its too dangerous for them to do > > themselves, especially if it voids some warranty. > > Most people are not actually capable of upgrading the memory in a mini. > How is it "scare tactics" to suggest that someone get help doing > something they're not able to do themselves? With other Macs Apple does > provide detailed do-it-yourself instructions. I think they are. Its really easy actually. All you need is a lever type tool. Many people already have these tools lying around the house. I'm not handy by any means and couldn't believe how easy it was. I encourage people to try - if they're patient of course. Some people are just impatient and rough - those people should give their machine to a dealer to do it.