So, can't say I've tried sharing with Windows computers a lot, but 
this seems like either a cache problem or a Leopard problem.

I turned on windows sharing on my Macbook Pro, and went to the network 
view on my Windows Vista Ultimate computer. It searched for a while 
and then showed my laptop. I double-clicked it and provided the login 
(which was my name, not my login name by the way).

After that I see two items: "sandman's public folder" and "Printers". 
Oh, ok.. so when logged in I don't have the same kind of access as 
when I log in via AFP, where I can mount the entire hard drive? Well, 
that's ok, I thought. Leopard has new sharing abilities!

So I went to the folder I was interested in, "Get Info", check "Shared 
Folder". The folder in question get the "Shared Folder" banner in the 
window so the sharing seems to be adequately performed. In the Sharing 
preference pane in System Preferences, the folder is list alongside 
the "Sandman's Public Folder".

In Vista, I right click in the window and pick refresh. It blanks the 
window and refreshes it but shows the same two items. Hm.

On the Mac, I turn file sharing off, and my computer is removed from 
the network view in Vista, I then turn it on and it is again shown, 
but when mounting/entering it, the same two items are shown, but not 
the folder I shared. How come?

I reboot Vista to no avail, the folder just doesn't show up. Anyone 
knows what might cause this problem?


-- 
Sandman[.net]

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-D32D9A.11511912042008@News.Individual.NET...
> So, can't say I've tried sharing with Windows computers a lot, but
> this seems like either a cache problem or a Leopard problem.
>
> I turned on windows sharing on my Macbook Pro, and went to the network
> view on my Windows Vista Ultimate computer. It searched for a while
> and then showed my laptop. I double-clicked it and provided the login
> (which was my name, not my login name by the way).
>
> After that I see two items: "sandman's public folder" and "Printers".
> Oh, ok.. so when logged in I don't have the same kind of access as
> when I log in via AFP, where I can mount the entire hard drive? Well,
> that's ok, I thought. Leopard has new sharing abilities!
>
> So I went to the folder I was interested in, "Get Info", check "Shared
> Folder". The folder in question get the "Shared Folder" banner in the
> window so the sharing seems to be adequately performed. In the Sharing
> preference pane in System Preferences, the folder is list alongside
> the "Sandman's Public Folder".
>
> In Vista, I right click in the window and pick refresh. It blanks the
> window and refreshes it but shows the same two items. Hm.
>
> On the Mac, I turn file sharing off, and my computer is removed from
> the network view in Vista, I then turn it on and it is again shown,
> but when mounting/entering it, the same two items are shown, but not
> the folder I shared. How come?
>
> I reboot Vista to no avail, the folder just doesn't show up. Anyone
> knows what might cause this problem?

No hits here, but I could have told you that.  Why didn't you simply 
crosspost?  If you don't know how, we can explain it.  I'll do it now. 

On 2008-04-13 18:21:42 -0500, "The zara" <Scumbag Joey is 
fucked@demoncaller.com> said:

> 
> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message
> news:mr-D32D9A.11511912042008@News.Individual.NET...
>> So, can't say I've tried sharing with Windows computers a lot, but
>> this seems like either a cache problem or a Leopard problem.

> No hits here, but I could have told you that.  Why didn't you simply
> crosspost?  If you don't know how, we can explain it.  I'll do it now.
======

yes, it is a problem with network authentication between Vista and OSX. 
Vista supports (out-of-the-box) V2 (as I recall) and OSX supports only 
V1.

There is aregistry change that will allow it to work.... I use it here 
and it works fine.

let me see if I have it saved somewhere......

>> 
> 
> No hits here, but I could have told you that.  Why didn't you simply
> crosspost?  If you don't know how, we can explain it.  I'll do it now.
======

found it:


The issue is that the older network hard drives do not use the same 
authentication protocol that
Vista uses by default.  The solution is to modify the security settings 
in Vista (using secpol.msc or
editing the registry) to change the policy from "NTLMv2 Only" to "LM 
and NTLM - use NTLMv2 if
negotiated".  The precise instructions follow, and will also work to 
enabled file sharing between
Vista and Max OS X, according to the LockerGhome post.
In order to share files with Mac OS X with Windows File Sharing enabled,
you will need to change the following policy in Windows Vista:
Start>Run>secpol.msc [enter]
Click on "Local Policies" --> "Security Options"
Navigate to the policy "Network Security: LAN Manager authentication
level" and double-click it to get its Properties. By default Windows
Vista sets the policy to "NTVLM2 responses only". Use the drop-down
arrow to change this to "LM and NTLM - use NTLMV2 session security if
negotiated".
In Vista Home Premium, you won't have this tool so per Steve Winograd, do:
1. Run the registry editor and open this key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa
1. If it doesn't already exist, create a DWORD value named
LmCompatibilityLevel
3. Set the value to 1
4. Reboot

In article <DzwMj.7026$DY1.2811@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
 "The zara" <Scumbag Joey is fucked@demoncaller.com> wrote:

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
> news:mr-D32D9A.11511912042008@News.Individual.NET...
> > So, can't say I've tried sharing with Windows computers a lot, but
> > this seems like either a cache problem or a Leopard problem.
> >
> > I turned on windows sharing on my Macbook Pro, and went to the network
> > view on my Windows Vista Ultimate computer. It searched for a while
> > and then showed my laptop. I double-clicked it and provided the login
> > (which was my name, not my login name by the way).
> >
> > After that I see two items: "sandman's public folder" and "Printers".
> > Oh, ok.. so when logged in I don't have the same kind of access as
> > when I log in via AFP, where I can mount the entire hard drive? Well,
> > that's ok, I thought. Leopard has new sharing abilities!
> >
> > So I went to the folder I was interested in, "Get Info", check "Shared
> > Folder". The folder in question get the "Shared Folder" banner in the
> > window so the sharing seems to be adequately performed. In the Sharing
> > preference pane in System Preferences, the folder is list alongside
> > the "Sandman's Public Folder".
> >
> > In Vista, I right click in the window and pick refresh. It blanks the
> > window and refreshes it but shows the same two items. Hm.
> >
> > On the Mac, I turn file sharing off, and my computer is removed from
> > the network view in Vista, I then turn it on and it is again shown,
> > but when mounting/entering it, the same two items are shown, but not
> > the folder I shared. How come?
> >
> > I reboot Vista to no avail, the folder just doesn't show up. Anyone
> > knows what might cause this problem?
> 
> No hits here, but I could have told you that.  Why didn't you simply 
> crosspost?  If you don't know how, we can explain it.  I'll do it now. 

What are you talking about?


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <2008041321440475249-gene@pctopguncom>,
 Mac Guy <gene@pc-topgun.com> wrote:

The issue:

>> So, can't say I've tried sharing with Windows computers a lot, but
>> this seems like either a cache problem or a Leopard problem.
>> 
>> I turned on windows sharing on my Macbook Pro, and went to the
>> network view on my Windows Vista Ultimate computer. It searched for
>> a while and then showed my laptop. I double-clicked it and provided
>> the login (which was my name, not my login name by the way).
>> 
>> After that I see two items: "sandman's public folder" and
>> "Printers". Oh, ok.. so when logged in I don't have the same kind
>> of access as when I log in via AFP, where I can mount the entire
>> hard drive? Well, that's ok, I thought. Leopard has new sharing
>> abilities!
>> 
>> So I went to the folder I was interested in, "Get Info", check
>> "Shared Folder". The folder in question get the "Shared Folder"
>> banner in the window so the sharing seems to be adequately
>> performed. In the Sharing preference pane in System Preferences,
>> the folder is list alongside the "Sandman's Public Folder".
>> 
>> In Vista, I right click in the window and pick refresh. It blanks
>> the window and refreshes it but shows the same two items. Hm.
>> 
>> On the Mac, I turn file sharing off, and my computer is removed
>> from the network view in Vista, I then turn it on and it is again
>> shown, but when mounting/entering it, the same two items are shown,
>> but not the folder I shared. How come?
>> 
>> I reboot Vista to no avail, the folder just doesn't show up. Anyone
>> knows what might cause this problem?

Mac Guy's proposed solution:

> The issue is that the older network hard drives do not use the same
> authentication protocol that Vista uses by default.  The solution is
> to modify the security settings in Vista (using secpol.msc or
> editing the registry) to change the policy from "NTLMv2 Only" to "LM
> and NTLM - use NTLMv2 if negotiated".  The precise instructions
> follow, and will also work to enabled file sharing between Vista and
> Max OS X, according to the LockerGhome post. In order to share files
> with Mac OS X with Windows File Sharing enabled, you will need to
> change the following policy in Windows Vista:

Ok, I'll try it.

> Start>Run>secpol.msc [enter]
> Click on "Local Policies" --> "Security Options"
> Navigate to the policy "Network Security: LAN Manager authentication
> level" and double-click it to get its Properties. By default Windows
> Vista sets the policy to "NTVLM2 responses only". Use the drop-down
> arrow to change this to "LM and NTLM - use NTLMV2 session security if
> negotiated".

This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my 
Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.

-- 
Sandman[.net]

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-9F6E99.08114714042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/13/08 11:11 PM:

> In article <2008041321440475249-gene@pctopguncom>,
>  Mac Guy <gene@pc-topgun.com> wrote:
> 
> The issue:
> 
>>> So, can't say I've tried sharing with Windows computers a lot, but
>>> this seems like either a cache problem or a Leopard problem.
>>> 
>>> I turned on windows sharing on my Macbook Pro, and went to the
>>> network view on my Windows Vista Ultimate computer. It searched for
>>> a while and then showed my laptop. I double-clicked it and provided
>>> the login (which was my name, not my login name by the way).
>>> 
>>> After that I see two items: "sandman's public folder" and
>>> "Printers". Oh, ok.. so when logged in I don't have the same kind
>>> of access as when I log in via AFP, where I can mount the entire
>>> hard drive? Well, that's ok, I thought. Leopard has new sharing
>>> abilities!
>>> 
>>> So I went to the folder I was interested in, "Get Info", check
>>> "Shared Folder". The folder in question get the "Shared Folder"
>>> banner in the window so the sharing seems to be adequately
>>> performed. In the Sharing preference pane in System Preferences,
>>> the folder is list alongside the "Sandman's Public Folder".
>>> 
>>> In Vista, I right click in the window and pick refresh. It blanks
>>> the window and refreshes it but shows the same two items. Hm.
>>> 
>>> On the Mac, I turn file sharing off, and my computer is removed
>>> from the network view in Vista, I then turn it on and it is again
>>> shown, but when mounting/entering it, the same two items are shown,
>>> but not the folder I shared. How come?
>>> 
>>> I reboot Vista to no avail, the folder just doesn't show up. Anyone
>>> knows what might cause this problem?
> 
> Mac Guy's proposed solution:
> 
>> The issue is that the older network hard drives do not use the same
>> authentication protocol that Vista uses by default.  The solution is
>> to modify the security settings in Vista (using secpol.msc or
>> editing the registry) to change the policy from "NTLMv2 Only" to "LM
>> and NTLM - use NTLMv2 if negotiated".  The precise instructions
>> follow, and will also work to enabled file sharing between Vista and
>> Max OS X, according to the LockerGhome post. In order to share files
>> with Mac OS X with Windows File Sharing enabled, you will need to
>> change the following policy in Windows Vista:
> 
> Ok, I'll try it.
> 
>> Start>Run>secpol.msc [enter]
>> Click on "Local Policies" --> "Security Options"
>> Navigate to the policy "Network Security: LAN Manager authentication
>> level" and double-click it to get its Properties. By default Windows
>> Vista sets the policy to "NTVLM2 responses only". Use the drop-down
>> arrow to change this to "LM and NTLM - use NTLMV2 session security if
>> negotiated".
> 
> This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
> Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.

Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to tie
your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.

Other than that you can rot.  Good day.  :)

[Insert Sandman's claims that he really does not want help anyway]


-- 
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472

Mac Guy wrote:
>>>
>>
>> No hits here, but I could have told you that.  Why didn't you simply
>> crosspost?  If you don't know how, we can explain it.  I'll do it now.
> ======
> 
> found it:
> 
> 
> The issue is that the older network hard drives do not use the same 
> authentication protocol that
> Vista uses by default.  The solution is to modify the security settings 
> in Vista (using secpol.msc or
> editing the registry) to change the policy from "NTLMv2 Only" to "LM and 
> NTLM - use NTLMv2 if
> negotiated".  The precise instructions follow, and will also work to 
> enabled file sharing between
> Vista and Max OS X, according to the LockerGhome post.
> In order to share files with Mac OS X with Windows File Sharing enabled,
> you will need to change the following policy in Windows Vista:
> Start>Run>secpol.msc [enter]
> Click on "Local Policies" --> "Security Options"
> Navigate to the policy "Network Security: LAN Manager authentication
> level" and double-click it to get its Properties. By default Windows
> Vista sets the policy to "NTVLM2 responses only". Use the drop-down
> arrow to change this to "LM and NTLM - use NTLMV2 session security if
> negotiated".
> In Vista Home Premium, you won't have this tool so per Steve Winograd, do:
> 1. Run the registry editor and open this key:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa
> 1. If it doesn't already exist, create a DWORD value named
> LmCompatibilityLevel
> 3. Set the value to 1
> 4. Reboot

Wow, you are really reducing Windows security by setting these low 
like this.  This is NT 4, Windows 95 era type settings.  I am 
disappointed OS X hasn't moved up to Kerberos authentication that 
Windows introduced with Windows 2000.

Steve

In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
> > Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
> 
> Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to tie
> your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.

Why would I want your assistance?

When will you offer a public apology for all your lies about me, by 
the way?


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <mr-DA3763.12284114042008@News.Individual.NET>,
 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
> > > This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
> > > Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
> > 
> > Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to tie
> > your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.
> 
> Why would I want your assistance?
> 

Because he's a bonafide "IT teacher" ;)

> When will you offer a public apology for all your lies about me, by 
> the way?

Never.

-- 
"Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is 
clearly disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much 
just throw it away". - Snit

"Steve Carroll" <trollkiller@TK.com> stated in post
trollkiller-DC148B.07391014042008@newsgroups.comcast.net on 4/14/08 6:39 AM:

> In article <mr-DA3763.12284114042008@News.Individual.NET>,
>  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> 
>> In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
>>>> Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to tie
>>> your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.
>> 
>> Why would I want your assistance?
>> 
> 
> Because he's a bonafide "IT teacher" ;)
> 
>> When will you offer a public apology for all your lies about me, by
>> the way?
> 
> Never.


As with you, if he can list something I have said about him that is not true
I would, of course, apologize.  This does not mean I am looking for every
nit from you and he.

Neither you nor he, of course, will act in a similar way: you will *never*,
for example, apologize for your outrageous behavior toward me - even after
your ISP made you stop some of it.


-- 
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-DA3763.12284114042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 3:28 AM:

> In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>> This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
>>> Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
>> 
>> Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to tie
>> your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.
> 
> Why would I want your assistance?

You asked for it.  Oh.




-- 
When thinking changes your mind, that's philosophy.
When God changes your mind, that's faith.
When facts change your mind, that's science.

In article <C428BCDE.B3644%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
> mr-DA3763.12284114042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 3:28 AM:
> 
> > In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> >  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>> This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
> >>> Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
> >> 
> >> Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to 
> >> tie
> >> your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.
> > 
> > Why would I want your assistance?
> 
> You asked for it.

No I didn't. You're lying.




-- 
Sandman[.net]

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-40ACDA.19413814042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 10:41 AM:

> In article <C428BCDE.B3644%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
>> mr-DA3763.12284114042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 3:28 AM:
>> 
>>> In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
>>>>> Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
>>>> 
>>>> Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to
>>>> tie
>>>> your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.
>>> 
>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>> 
>> You asked for it.
> 
> No I didn't. You're lying.
> 
> 
> 
Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
help.  Stop lying and denying that.


-- 
Do you ever wake up in a cold sweat wondering what the world would be
like if the Lamarckian view of evolution had ended up being accepted
over Darwin's?

In article <C428F437.B36E8%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>> Why would I want your assistance?
> >> 
> >> You asked for it.
> > 
> > No I didn't. You're lying.
>
> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
> help.

But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything 
technical, or theoretical. 




-- 
Sandman[.net]

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-2AFD63.21241214042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 12:24 PM:

> In article <C428F437.B36E8%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>> 
>>>> You asked for it.
>>> 
>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>> 
>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
>> help.
> 
> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
> technical, or theoretical.

You asked for help from people in CSMA... and I am in CSMA.  You asked for
my help.

And you *took* a lot of my advice on your website, so you can stop your
lying about not looking or me for help.  You are simply lying.


-- 
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.

In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
> >>>> 
> >>>> You asked for it.
> >>> 
> >>> No I didn't. You're lying.
> >> 
> >> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
> >> help.
> > 
> > But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
> > technical, or theoretical.
> 
> You asked for help from people in CSMA...

But not from you.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

Sandman wrote:
> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>>>> You asked for it.
>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
>>>> help.
>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
>>> technical, or theoretical.
>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
> 
> But not from you.

He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-6A0667.21573214042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 12:57 PM:

> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You asked for it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>>>> 
>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
>>>> help.
>>> 
>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
>>> technical, or theoretical.
>> 
>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
> 
> But not from you.
> 
I am in CSMA... thus you also asked me.

And you snipped dishonestly again.


-- 
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.

In article <C42907B4.B375B%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
> > 
> > But not from you.
> > 
> I am in CSMA... thus you also asked me.

Nopes. I would never ask you for any technical, or theoretical, help.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org>, "Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> wrote:

> Sandman wrote:
> > In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> >  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
> >>>>>> You asked for it.
> >>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
> >>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS 
> >>>> for
> >>>> help.
> >>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
> >>> technical, or theoretical.
> >> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
> > 
> > But not from you.
> 
> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?

Your question does not follow my post, Edwin.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In message <TO-dnUreUc3Hkp7VnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Steve <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> I am disappointed OS X hasn't moved up to Kerberos authentication that
> Windows introduced with Windows 2000.

I think you misspelt "the Kerberos authentication that Microsoft
intentionally made incompatible with every other Kerberos on the planet"


-- 
The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a young woman.
	There was no possible way that she could have been mistaken for a young
	man in any language, especially Braille. 

"Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> stated in post fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org on 4/14/08 1:07
PM:

> Sandman wrote:
>> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>>>>> You asked for it.
>>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
>>>>> help.
>>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
>>>> technical, or theoretical.
>>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
>> 
>> But not from you.
> 
> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?

Exactly.  Not only am I in the group of people who he knows sees his posts,
he knows I have helped him in the past (such as with his website).


-- 
Do you ever wake up in a cold sweat wondering what the world would be
like if the Lamarckian view of evolution had ended up being accepted
over Darwin's?

Sandman wrote:
> In article <fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org>, "Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sandman wrote:
>>> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>>>>>> You asked for it.
>>>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>>>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> help.
>>>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
>>>>> technical, or theoretical.
>>>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
>>> But not from you.
>> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?
> 
> Your question does not follow my post, Edwin.

What are you talking about, Alan?   Are you still pleading insanity?

Snit wrote:
> "Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> stated in post fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org on 4/14/08 1:07
> PM:
> 
>> Sandman wrote:
>>> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>>>>>> You asked for it.
>>>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>>>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS for
>>>>>> help.
>>>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
>>>>> technical, or theoretical.
>>>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
>>> But not from you.
>> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?
> 
> Exactly.  Not only am I in the group of people who he knows sees his posts,
> he knows I have helped him in the past (such as with his website).

You were able to help Alan?   It hardly seems possible...

"Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> stated in post fu0f25$vt4$1@aioe.org on 4/14/08 1:33
PM:

> Sandman wrote:
>> In article <fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org>, "Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sandman wrote:
>>>> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>>>>>>> You asked for it.
>>>>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>>>>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
>>>>>> technical, or theoretical.
>>>>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
>>>> But not from you.
>>> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?
>> 
>> Your question does not follow my post, Edwin.
> 
> What are you talking about, Alan?   Are you still pleading insanity?

Sandman is now pretending he did not ask a group of people he *knew* I was a
member of for help.  He is also pretending I have not already helped him
with his website, which is an outright lie from him.  From a past post:

-----
* Sandman belittled by web skills
* I looked at his www.sandman.net site and found it to be pretty darn bad
  * your HTML does not come close to validating correctly, you repeatedly
    exclude alt tags, start tags but leave out the end declaration, have
    end declarations for tags you did not use, use tags in contexts where
    they are not allowed (such as TD tags outside of tables), use properties
    that do not exist (such as "align='no'), etc.
  * your CSS does not validate correctly
  * your design makes poor use of contrast and moderate use of whitespace
  * your images are poorly compressed - often up to 10x as large as they
    need be
  * the page is not designed with the idea of printing in mind
* Sandman made all sorts of excuses for his poor code
* Sandman's CSS changed - and he denied ever changing it!  It "magically"
  started to validate where before it did not.  This was proved with the
  use of the Google cache.  There is no reasonable doubt that Sandman was
  lying.
* Sandman was not able to point to a single site of Snit's he thought was
  done poorly.  At some point he probably will, but the fact is that as
  he was belittling me he could not point to any site *and* his own site
  was nothing to brag about *and* he dishonestly altered in in order to
  try to look better
-----

If you look at Sandman's homepage now you will see that he has continued to,
mostly, follow my suggestions.

* His HTML and CSS mostly validate now (he uses negative values for
  padding in his CSS... an error that has no value as he uses it)
* His alt-text is much, much better - mostly empty for spacer images
  (though he still does have some "Space" alt-text).  Some of the rest
  is debatable in its value for screen readers and search engines but
  generally not a big deal.  In the past he used "Space" no less than
  30 times just on his home page.
* His art images are around 1-4K, not the close to 300K *each* they
  used to be!
* He makes better use of white space and contrast (much of his text is
  now black on white even)
* The page now looks good when printed


So for Sandman to claim he does not take my suggestions and apply them is an
outright lie on his part.

Of course he has not taken the advice and used it on all his pages.  If you
look at the link he posted today,
http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/faq/index.php?faq=sigmond&id=81 you can see
that he still uses "space" as his alt tag at least four times.  But even
there his CSS and HTML is much better than he used to be able to do.


Looking at just http://csma.sandman.net he uses alt-text of "space" five
times and then uses "left" and "right" to indicate where the spacer image is
in relation to an image!  That is just absurd.



-- 
Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

In article <C42914C0.B3795%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?
> >> 
> >> Your question does not follow my post, Edwin.
> > 
> > What are you talking about, Alan?   Are you still pleading insanity?
> 
> Sandman is now pretending he did not ask a group of people he *knew* I was a
> member of for help.

Yet another unsupported accusation.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
mr-B0B24F.23065814042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 2:06 PM:

> In article <C42914C0.B3795%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?
>>>> 
>>>> Your question does not follow my post, Edwin.
>>> 
>>> What are you talking about, Alan?   Are you still pleading insanity?
>> 
>> Sandman is now pretending he did not ask a group of people he *knew* I was a
>> member of for help.
> 
> Yet another unsupported accusation.
> 
Sandman, Carroll, Mackay and Adams are just over the top these days.  Let us
recall the views of mine that have thrown them over the edge:

* I noted Wally was incorrect about set theory.  He was.  I was right.

* I noted it is perverted for Tim Adams to claim sex must contain all
  the features of sex.  And I was right.

* I noted it is beyond anything that is even moderately acceptable for
  Sandman, Carroll, Adams, and Mackay to try to take the CSMA debates out
  of CSMA and effect my personal and business life.  I was right.

* I noted it was wrong for Sandman to lie about my posting with my
  wife's name and for him to harass her with email.  I was right.

* I have noted how Sandman uses an absurd claim of proof-by-quote-
  scavenging to try to support his attacks and lies, which which
  he does... and based on that (in part) he is completely cowed
  by the others I have listed.  They "co-troll" and support each
  others lies... but repeatedly fail to offer support based on
  any real evidence.  And I was right.

* Carroll claims that the trolling of he and his co-trolls is my fault
  for even responding to their lies.  He is delusional.

In other words I have been right... and none of the four of them can deal
with it.


-- 
What do you call people who are afraid of Santa Claus? Claustrophobic.

Lewis wrote:
> In message <TO-dnUreUc3Hkp7VnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com>  Steve 
> <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>> I am disappointed OS X hasn't moved up to Kerberos authentication that
>> Windows introduced with Windows 2000.
> 
> I think you misspelt "the Kerberos authentication that Microsoft
> intentionally made incompatible with every other Kerberos on the planet"

Sure.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742433.aspx

Steve

In article <mr-40ACDA.19413814042008@News.Individual.NET>,
 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> In article <C428BCDE.B3644%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
> > "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
> > mr-DA3763.12284114042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 3:28 AM:
> > 
> > > In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> > >  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >>> This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
> > >>> Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
> > >> 
> > >> Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to 
> > >> tie
> > >> your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.
> > > 
> > > Why would I want your assistance?
> > 
> > You asked for it.
> 
> No I didn't. You're lying.

Will you guys remove comp.sys.mac.system from this bickering?

Followup set.

-- 
Support the troops:  Bring them home ASAP.

In article <michelle-C2544B.15490814042008@news.west.cox.net>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Followup set.

The trick is to do this early on, without announcing the follow up, and 
to make a comment that is sure to cause the thread to continue, so that 
all replies to yours are sent away.  ; )

-- 
Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to
this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not
read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to
see your posts.

JR

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> stated in post
michelle-C2544B.15490814042008@news.west.cox.net on 4/14/08 3:49 PM:

> In article <mr-40ACDA.19413814042008@News.Individual.NET>,
>  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> 
>> In article <C428BCDE.B3644%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> stated in post
>>> mr-DA3763.12284114042008@News.Individual.NET on 4/14/08 3:28 AM:
>>> 
>>>> In article <C4284AD6.B3594%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> This didn't help at all. The folder on my Mac did not show up on my
>>>>>> Vista box after the above changes, unfortunately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Post a public apology for your recent lies about me and your attempts to
>>>>> tie
>>>>> your posts to my name and I shall offer assistance.
>>>> 
>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>> 
>>> You asked for it.
>> 
>> No I didn't. You're lying.
> 
> Will you guys remove comp.sys.mac.system from this bickering?
> 
> Followup set.

I am pretty much done with these guys for a while anyway... the conversation
is about nothing other than them and their lies.  If anyone cares, here are
the topics... and then, at least for a while, this is my last word on it
(unless others have questions):

* I noted Wally was incorrect about set theory.  He was.  I was right.

* I noted it is perverted for Tim Adams to claim sex must contain all
  the features of incest (and that the two are "identical").  And I
  was right.  Tim claims I am lying even though the Google record
  proves me right... and I have asked him to clarify his comments if
  he stated things incorrectly.

* I noted it is beyond anything that is even moderately acceptable for
  Sandman, Carroll, Adams, and Mackay to try to take the CSMA debates out
  of CSMA and effect my personal and business life.  I was right.

* I noted it was wrong for Sandman to lie about my posting with my
  wife's name and for him to harass her with email.  I was right.

* I have noted how Sandman uses an absurd claim of proof-by-quote-
  scavenging to try to support his attacks and lies, which which
  he does... and based on that (in part) he is completely cowed
  by the others I have listed.  They "co-troll" and support each
  others lies... but repeatedly fail to offer support based on
  any real evidence.  And I was right.

* Carroll claims that the trolling of he and his co-trolls is my fault
  for even responding to their lies.  He is delusional.

* Mackay, Sandman, and Carroll have all claimed that I, by pointing to
  a post from 2004(!) somehow am as bad as they are ... and yet the post
  in question has me pointing to the company of the IP address of the
  post and "quoting" the headers of a fake email I make clear is *fake*.
  That's right: they claim that doing that once in 2004 is as bad as
  getting multiple people to repeatedly (obsessively?) lie about me
  and try to associate that with my business which has nothing to do
  with my Usenet posts!  Oh, and my post was in response to Mackay lying
  about an email where he faked headers of "mine".

In other words I have been right... and none of the four of them can deal
with it.  They will lie and lie and lie and lie and lie... there is no point
in my refuting their lies again and again and again - it is not as if it is
like I can do it ONE MORE TIME... and then they will own up to their
trolling and lying.


As I said, if others want details I am happy to provide them... but I have
provided the proof of what I have said above to the four of them
repeatedly... giving it to them one.  more.   time.  will not please them at
all.

Sorry to re-add csms but I wanted to make it clear this was done.


-- 
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
--Aldous Huxley

In article <fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org>, "Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> wrote:

> Sandman wrote:
> > In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> >  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
> >>>>>> You asked for it.
> >>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
> >>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS 
> >>>> for
> >>>> help.
> >>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
> >>> technical, or theoretical.
> >> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
> > 
> > But not from you.
> 
> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?

Since you've claimed that a reply to one person's post isn't a reply, 
how can you now claim that a general request for help is a request for 
help from one person?

-- 
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

In article <T9mdnZMk44R6U57VnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Lewis wrote:
> > In message <TO-dnUreUc3Hkp7VnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com>  Steve 
> > <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> >> I am disappointed OS X hasn't moved up to Kerberos authentication that
> >> Windows introduced with Windows 2000.
> > 
> > I think you misspelt "the Kerberos authentication that Microsoft
> > intentionally made incompatible with every other Kerberos on the planet"
> 
> Sure.
> 
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742433.aspx
> 
> Steve

Sorry, Steve, Lewis is right and you're wrong...

....again.

-- 
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> stated in post
alangbaker-F2F846.10512816042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net] on 4/16/08
10:51 AM:

> In article <fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org>, "Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sandman wrote:
>>> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
>>>>>>>> You asked for it.
>>>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
>>>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> help.
>>>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
>>>>> technical, or theoretical.
>>>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
>>> 
>>> But not from you.
>> 
>> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?
> 
> Since you've claimed that a reply to one person's post isn't a reply,
> how can you now claim that a general request for help is a request for
> help from one person?

You made a request to two *groups* of people... of which you knew I was a
member of one of those groups.  And, of course, since I have helped you more
than anyone else you can name there is *no* reason to think you excluded me!


-- 
Do you ever wake up in a cold sweat wondering what the world would be
like if the Lamarckian view of evolution had ended up being accepted
over Darwin's?

In article <C42B98C8.B3EC3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> stated in post
> alangbaker-F2F846.10512816042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net] on 4/16/08
> 10:51 AM:
> 
> > Since you've claimed that a reply to one person's post isn't a reply,
> > how can you now claim that a general request for help is a request for
> > help from one person?
> 
> You made a request to two *groups* of people... of which you knew I was a
> member of one of those groups.  And, of course, since I have helped you more
> than anyone else you can name there is *no* reason to think you excluded me!

Lying about Alan now, Michael Glasser? Whose next?


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <C42B98C8.B3EC3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> stated in post
> alangbaker-F2F846.10512816042008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net] on 4/16/08
> 10:51 AM:
> 
> > In article <fu0dhv$lmv$3@aioe.org>, "Mr. X" <Mr.X@xyz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Sandman wrote:
> >>> In article <C429002C.B372D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> >>>  Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Why would I want your assistance?
> >>>>>>>> You asked for it.
> >>>>>>> No I didn't. You're lying.
> >>>>>> Read the first post in the thread... you asked people on CSMA and CSMS
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> help.
> >>>>> But not you, as you imply. I would never ask you for help on anything
> >>>>> technical, or theoretical.
> >>>> You asked for help from people in CSMA...
> >>> 
> >>> But not from you.
> >> 
> >> He's not in CSMA or CSMS?   How does he see your posts?
> > 
> > Since you've claimed that a reply to one person's post isn't a reply,
> > how can you now claim that a general request for help is a request for
> > help from one person?
> 
> You made a request to two *groups* of people... of which you knew I was a
> member of one of those groups.  And, of course, since I have helped you more
> than anyone else you can name there is *no* reason to think you excluded me!

I didn't make a request of anyone, Michael.