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Log-Out/Log-In

In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by trashing
the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files in
OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed that
logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.

I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and trashing
it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?






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Nick Naym a �crit:
> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by trashing
> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files in
> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed that
> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
> 
> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and trashing
> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?

If I recall correctly, virtual memory and RAM are released. I'd think it 
is one of the explanation.
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here16 (69)
1/7/2009 1:00:10 PM
In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by trashing
> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files in
> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed that
> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
> 
> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and trashing
> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?

It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are 
clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting 
the state of all currently-running user processes.

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jollyroger (11010)
1/7/2009 5:11:34 PM
In article jollyroger-E97AA4.11113407012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/7/09 12:11 PM:

> In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by trashing
>> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files in
>> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed that
>> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
>> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
>> 
>> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and trashing
>> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
>> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
>> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?
> 
> It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are
> clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting
> the state of all currently-running user processes.


The reason I'm asking (besides to gain a better understanding of what's
going on "under the hood") is related to all of the PITA problems I've been
experiencing (you are aware of several), which has me at the point of
considering an Archive and Install (which you also know I am quite reluctant
to do).




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Nick
1/8/2009 12:19:19 AM
In article C58AB0B7.2B8FF%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/7/09 7:19 PM:

> In article jollyroger-E97AA4.11113407012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/7/09 12:11 PM:
> 
>> In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by trashing
>>> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files in
>>> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed that
>>> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
>>> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
>>> 
>>> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and trashing
>>> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
>>> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
>>> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?
>> 
>> It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are
>> clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting
>> the state of all currently-running user processes.
> 
> 
> The reason I'm asking (besides to gain a better understanding of what's
> going on "under the hood") is related to all of the PITA problems I've been
> experiencing (you are aware of several), which has me at the point of
> considering an Archive and Install (which you also know I am quite reluctant
> to do).
> 
> 
> 

Where did JR go?




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Nick
1/9/2009 6:55:39 PM
In article <C58D07DB.2C0B5%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> In article C58AB0B7.2B8FF%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
> nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/7/09 7:19 PM:
> 
> > In article jollyroger-E97AA4.11113407012009@news.individual.net, Jolly 
> > Roger
> > at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/7/09 12:11 PM:
> > 
> >> In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
> >>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by 
> >>> trashing
> >>> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files 
> >>> in
> >>> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed 
> >>> that
> >>> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
> >>> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
> >>> 
> >>> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and 
> >>> trashing
> >>> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
> >>> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
> >>> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?
> >> 
> >> It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are
> >> clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting
> >> the state of all currently-running user processes.
> > 
> > 
> > The reason I'm asking (besides to gain a better understanding of what's
> > going on "under the hood") is related to all of the PITA problems I've been
> > experiencing (you are aware of several), which has me at the point of
> > considering an Archive and Install (which you also know I am quite 
> > reluctant
> > to do).
> 
> Where did JR go?

Out of town. Will return soon though.

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jollyroger (11010)
1/11/2009 2:19:49 AM
In article jollyroger-65FF20.20194810012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/10/09 9:19 PM:

> In article <C58D07DB.2C0B5%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article C58AB0B7.2B8FF%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
>> nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/7/09 7:19 PM:
>> 
>>> In article jollyroger-E97AA4.11113407012009@news.individual.net, Jolly
>>> Roger
>>> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/7/09 12:11 PM:
>>> 
>>>> In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>>>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by
>>>>> trashing
>>>>> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files
>>>>> in
>>>>> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed
>>>>> that
>>>>> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
>>>>> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and
>>>>> trashing
>>>>> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
>>>>> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
>>>>> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?
>>>> 
>>>> It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are
>>>> clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting
>>>> the state of all currently-running user processes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The reason I'm asking (besides to gain a better understanding of what's
>>> going on "under the hood") is related to all of the PITA problems I've been
>>> experiencing (you are aware of several), which has me at the point of
>>> considering an Archive and Install (which you also know I am quite
>>> reluctant
>>> to do).
>> 
>> Where did JR go?
> 
> Out of town. Will return soon though.

Good to know.


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Nick
1/11/2009 3:45:02 AM
In article C58ED56E.2C4A2%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/10/09 10:45 PM:

> In article jollyroger-65FF20.20194810012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/10/09 9:19 PM:
> 
>> In article <C58D07DB.2C0B5%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article C58AB0B7.2B8FF%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
>>> nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/7/09 7:19 PM:
>>> 
>>>> In article jollyroger-E97AA4.11113407012009@news.individual.net, Jolly
>>>> Roger
>>>> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/7/09 12:11 PM:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>>>>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by
>>>>>> trashing
>>>>>> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist files
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
>>>>>> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and
>>>>>> trashing
>>>>>> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
>>>>>> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might it
>>>>>> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are
>>>>> clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting
>>>>> the state of all currently-running user processes.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The reason I'm asking (besides to gain a better understanding of what's
>>>> going on "under the hood") is related to all of the PITA problems I've been
>>>> experiencing (you are aware of several), which has me at the point of
>>>> considering an Archive and Install (which you also know I am quite
>>>> reluctant
>>>> to do).
>>> 
>>> Where did JR go?
>> 
>> Out of town. Will return soon though.
> 
> Good to know.
> 

....and when you do return, perhaps you can offer your opinion re: the above
(i.e., "The reason I'm asking...").



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Nick
1/11/2009 4:01:26 AM
In article <C58ED946.2C4B6%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> In article C58ED56E.2C4A2%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
> nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/10/09 10:45 PM:
> 
> > In article jollyroger-65FF20.20194810012009@news.individual.net, Jolly 
> > Roger
> > at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/10/09 9:19 PM:
> > 
> >> In article <C58D07DB.2C0B5%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
> >>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In article C58AB0B7.2B8FF%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
> >>> nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/7/09 7:19 PM:
> >>> 
> >>>> In article jollyroger-E97AA4.11113407012009@news.individual.net, Jolly
> >>>> Roger
> >>>> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/7/09 12:11 PM:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
> >>>>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by
> >>>>>> trashing
> >>>>>> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist 
> >>>>>> files
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
> >>>>>> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and
> >>>>>> trashing
> >>>>>> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
> >>>>>> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might 
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are
> >>>>> clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting
> >>>>> the state of all currently-running user processes.
> >>>> 
> >>>> The reason I'm asking (besides to gain a better understanding of what's
> >>>> going on "under the hood") is related to all of the PITA problems I've 
> >>>> been
> >>>> experiencing (you are aware of several), which has me at the point of
> >>>> considering an Archive and Install (which you also know I am quite
> >>>> reluctant
> >>>> to do).
> >>> 
> >>> Where did JR go?
> >> 
> >> Out of town. Will return soon though.
> > 
> > Good to know.
> 
> ...and when you do return, perhaps you can offer your opinion re: the above
> (i.e., "The reason I'm asking...").

Unfortunately, my memory just isn't that good! I don't remember the 
individual problems you're having. If you can breifly recap them in one 
spot, I can give you my opinion.

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jollyroger (11010)
1/11/2009 4:16:38 AM
In article jollyroger-2FF1D5.22163810012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/10/09 11:16 PM:

> In article <C58ED946.2C4B6%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article C58ED56E.2C4A2%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
>> nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/10/09 10:45 PM:
>> 
>>> In article jollyroger-65FF20.20194810012009@news.individual.net, Jolly
>>> Roger
>>> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/10/09 9:19 PM:
>>> 
>>>> In article <C58D07DB.2C0B5%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>>>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article C58AB0B7.2B8FF%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
>>>>> nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/7/09 7:19 PM:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article jollyroger-E97AA4.11113407012009@news.individual.net, Jolly
>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/7/09 12:11 PM:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In article <C58A092E.2B733%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>>>>>>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In OS 9, frequent application problems often could be remedied by
>>>>>>>> trashing
>>>>>>>> the app's prefs file. I'm inclined to believe that trashing .plist
>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> OS X is not quite as effective a solution in OS X. But I have noticed
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> logging out and then logging back in virtually always fixes the
>>>>>>>> performance/behavior problems I've been experiencing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I understand how a corrupted prefs/.plist could cause problems, and
>>>>>>>> trashing
>>>>>>>> it would lead to a "fix." But I don't understand what happens during a
>>>>>>>> log-out/log-in that can yield a "fix." What's going on, and what might
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> tell me as far as diagnosing any underlying problems is concerned?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It depends on the problem; but in general, in logging out, you are
>>>>>>> clearing a bunch of information that is cached in memory, and resetting
>>>>>>> the state of all currently-running user processes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The reason I'm asking (besides to gain a better understanding of what's
>>>>>> going on "under the hood") is related to all of the PITA problems I've
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> experiencing (you are aware of several), which has me at the point of
>>>>>> considering an Archive and Install (which you also know I am quite
>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>> to do).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did JR go?
>>>> 
>>>> Out of town. Will return soon though.
>>> 
>>> Good to know.
>> 
>> ...and when you do return, perhaps you can offer your opinion re: the above
>> (i.e., "The reason I'm asking...").
> 
> Unfortunately, my memory just isn't that good! I don't remember the
> individual problems you're having. If you can breifly recap them in one
> spot, I can give you my opinion.


I've had rashes of SBBODs, faded Dock icons, random "stuck at logouts," an
odd-ball kernel panic, and inconsistent "View Options" (one of which
eventually led me to attempt to delete .DS_Stores which, because of
stupidity on my part, ended up deleting much of my desktop).

Mind you, I have yet to implement a combo update to 10.5.6, which -- as you
had previously mentioned and just reminded me last night in the "Update
Path" thread -- might indeed fix those problems. But I still would like to
get my arms around Log-Out/Log-In as a means to "repair" these kinds of
annoying system-performance problems.

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Nick
1/11/2009 4:45:36 PM
DanS <djlstewart@TAKE-OUTmac.com> wrote:

> I had to do an Archive and Install once, and it was surprisingly
> painless.  Any applications in addition to the default ones are copied
> over, and your users and settings are copied (if you check the box to
> request this).  There were only a few things I had to tweak afterwards.
> It was a smooth process.

I do it frequently for clients, and it's really not a big deal at all.
Some printer and scanner drivers need to be reinstalled, and
occasionally some components need to be manually moved from the Previous
System's Library (the ones I recall offhand are for Photoshop,
QuarkXpress and Palm Desktop, and an alternative is to reinstall those
apps).

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mikePOST (4990)
1/11/2009 5:58:26 PM
In article <C58F8C60.2C9DE%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> In article jollyroger-2FF1D5.22163810012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/10/09 11:16 PM:
> 
> > Unfortunately, my memory just isn't that good! I don't remember the
> > individual problems you're having. If you can breifly recap them in one
> > spot, I can give you my opinion.
> 
> I've had rashes of SBBODs, faded Dock icons, random "stuck at logouts," an
> odd-ball kernel panic, and inconsistent "View Options" (one of which
> eventually led me to attempt to delete .DS_Stores which, because of
> stupidity on my part, ended up deleting much of my desktop).

Wait - are you saying you've had all these issues and have not been able 
to figure out the cause of each one individually? 

With some simple diagnostic steps, one could easily find out why the 
logout process is hung, for instance. And inconsistent view options and 
..DS_Store files aren't something I would expect to go away after an 
Archive & Install.

> Mind you, I have yet to implement a combo update to 10.5.6, which -- as you
> had previously mentioned and just reminded me last night in the "Update
> Path" thread -- might indeed fix those problems. 

I'd definitely recommend trying that - why are you hesitant?

> But I still would like to
> get my arms around Log-Out/Log-In as a means to "repair" these kinds of
> annoying system-performance problems.

Logging out can repair certain types of misbehavior, but certainly not 
all.

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jollyroger (11010)
1/11/2009 6:36:31 PM
In article 1itdqik.i5hszh1gvmaokN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com, Mike
Rosenberg at mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com wrote on 1/11/09 12:58 PM:

> DanS <djlstewart@TAKE-OUTmac.com> wrote:
> 
>> I had to do an Archive and Install once, and it was surprisingly
>> painless.  Any applications in addition to the default ones are copied
>> over, and your users and settings are copied (if you check the box to
>> request this).  There were only a few things I had to tweak afterwards.
>> It was a smooth process.
> 
> I do it frequently for clients, and it's really not a big deal at all.
> Some printer and scanner drivers need to be reinstalled, and
> occasionally some components need to be manually moved from the Previous
> System's Library (the ones I recall offhand are for Photoshop,
> QuarkXpress and Palm Desktop, and an alternative is to reinstall those
> apps).

Trying to figure out what those "loose ends" are might be a bit of a
challenge (for me). My biggest concern is my external drives...especially
the one I use for my TM backups. I read more than once that some folks
couldn't access their TM backup drives after the update -- and they ended up
having to erase and reformat the drive, because of some weird Identity
problems.





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Nick
1/12/2009 2:02:41 AM
In article jollyroger-35C1FF.12363011012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/11/09 1:36 PM:

> In article <C58F8C60.2C9DE%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article jollyroger-2FF1D5.22163810012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
>> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/10/09 11:16 PM:
>> 
>>> Unfortunately, my memory just isn't that good! I don't remember the
>>> individual problems you're having. If you can breifly recap them in one
>>> spot, I can give you my opinion.
>> 
>> I've had rashes of SBBODs, faded Dock icons, random "stuck at logouts," an
>> odd-ball kernel panic, and inconsistent "View Options" (one of which
>> eventually led me to attempt to delete .DS_Stores which, because of
>> stupidity on my part, ended up deleting much of my desktop).
> 
> Wait - are you saying you've had all these issues and have not been able
> to figure out the cause of each one individually?

Yup. 

 
> With some simple diagnostic steps, one could easily find out why the
> logout process is hung, for instance. And inconsistent view options and
> .DS_Store files aren't something I would expect to go away after an
> 
> Archive & Install.

The SBBODs seemed to be associated with Entourage, but I'm only guessing...I
couldn't really correlate them with the activity reported in the Activity
Monitor, but they seemed to _mostly_ plague me when Entourage was running;
the faded Dock icons came and went...the "went" would occur only after I
logged out/in...and then a few hours -- or days -- later they'd return;bthe
log out hangs seem to have been relatively short lived (they eventually
stopped); I never had a clue about the kernel panic (it was only the 3rd I'd
ever had, and it was "weird" because it didn't appear in the "usual" manner)
-- I posted portions of the system log in this NG, as well as a PDF of the
"Problem Report for Mac OS X Kernel" (at ImageShack), but no one commented;
and the inconsistent "View Options" (the settings don't remain at the
"default" when I select "default") remain inconsistent. With the exception
of the "View Options," none of the other problems have been bothering me
lately.

 
>> Mind you, I have yet to implement a combo update to 10.5.6, which -- as you
>> had previously mentioned and just reminded me last night in the "Update
>> Path" thread -- might indeed fix those problems.
> 
> I'd definitely recommend trying that - why are you hesitant?


Fear of screwing up some oddball settings that will mess everything up
(especially as they may relate to my TM backup drive).


 
>> But I still would like to
>> get my arms around Log-Out/Log-In as a means to "repair" these kinds of
>> annoying system-performance problems.
> 
> Logging out can repair certain types of misbehavior, but certainly not
> all.

I was just trying to wrap my mind around it, the same way I did re:
Finder-related and Prefs-related problems under OS 9.



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Nick
1/12/2009 2:46:14 AM
In article C5901926.2CD4B%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com, Nick Naym at
nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com wrote on 1/11/09 9:46 PM:

....
....

>> 
>> Wait - are you saying you've had all these issues and have not been able
>> to figure out the cause of each one individually?
> 
> Yup. 
> 
>  
>> With some simple diagnostic steps, one could easily find out why the
>> logout process is hung, for instance. And inconsistent view options and
>> .DS_Store files aren't something I would expect to go away after an
>> 
>> Archive & Install.
> 
> The SBBODs seemed to be associated with Entourage, but I'm only guessing...I
> couldn't really correlate them with the activity reported in the Activity
> Monitor, but they seemed to _mostly_ plague me when Entourage was running;
> the faded Dock icons came and went...the "went" would occur only after I
> logged out/in...and then a few hours -- or days -- later they'd return;bthe
> log out hangs seem to have been relatively short lived (they eventually
> stopped); I never had a clue about the kernel panic (it was only the 3rd I'd
> ever had, and it was "weird" because it didn't appear in the "usual" manner)
> -- I posted portions of the system log in this NG, as well as a PDF of the
> "Problem Report for Mac OS X Kernel" (at ImageShack), but no one commented;
> and the inconsistent "View Options" (the settings don't remain at the
> "default" when I select "default") remain inconsistent. With the exception
> of the "View Options," none of the other problems have been bothering me
> lately.
> 
>  
>>> Mind you, I have yet to implement a combo update to 10.5.6, which -- as you
>>> had previously mentioned and just reminded me last night in the "Update
>>> Path" thread -- might indeed fix those problems.
>> 
>> I'd definitely recommend trying that - why are you hesitant?
> 
> 
> Fear of screwing up some oddball settings that will mess everything up
> (especially as they may relate to my TM backup drive).
> 
> 
>  
>>> But I still would like to
>>> get my arms around Log-Out/Log-In as a means to "repair" these kinds of
>>> annoying system-performance problems.
>> 
>> Logging out can repair certain types of misbehavior, but certainly not
>> all.
> 
> I was just trying to wrap my mind around it, the same way I did re:
> Finder-related and Prefs-related problems under OS 9.
> 
> 


Any more comments, suggestions, recommendations...especially in light of the
mouse problems _a lot_ of folks have been reporting after the 10.5.6 update?
(See, for example, 
<http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>.)




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Nick
1/14/2009 11:01:35 PM
In article <C593D8FF.2D5DC%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> Any more comments, suggestions, recommendations...especially in light of the
> mouse problems _a lot_ of folks have been reporting after the 10.5.6 update?
> (See, for example, 
> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>.)

Have you installed the combo updater yet?

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jollyroger (11010)
1/14/2009 11:17:56 PM
In article jollyroger-890560.17175614012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/14/09 6:17 PM:

> In article <C593D8FF.2D5DC%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Any more comments, suggestions, recommendations...especially in light of the
>> mouse problems _a lot_ of folks have been reporting after the 10.5.6 update?
>> (See, for example,
>> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>.)
> 
> Have you installed the combo updater yet?

Nooooo....

I was going to do so this week, but I had some important things to do that
absolutely required access to my iMac, and I didn't want to run the risk of
any drawn-out difficulties. I decided I'd do it this weekend...but after
reading 
<http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45> --
which included Apple's acknowledgment of the problem -- I am again nervous
about doing it....though I have thought about at least moving to 10.5.5.



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Nick
1/14/2009 11:56:53 PM
In article <C593E5F5.2D5EA%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> In article jollyroger-890560.17175614012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/14/09 6:17 PM:
> 
> > In article <C593D8FF.2D5DC%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
> >  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Any more comments, suggestions, recommendations...especially in light of 
> >> the
> >> mouse problems _a lot_ of folks have been reporting after the 10.5.6 
> >> update?
> >> (See, for example,
> >> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>.)
> > 
> > Have you installed the combo updater yet?
> 
> Nooooo....
> 
> I was going to do so this week, but I had some important things to do that
> absolutely required access to my iMac, and I didn't want to run the risk of
> any drawn-out difficulties. I decided I'd do it this weekend...but after
> reading 
> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45> --
> which included Apple's acknowledgment of the problem -- I am again nervous
> about doing it....though I have thought about at least moving to 10.5.5.

Considering you are having problems with your system now, I recommend 
you install the combo updater for your current version *before* you 
entertain the idea of moving on to 10.5.5.

You are much too hesitant with regards to the combo updater. I haven't 
*ever* experienced, or heard of someone experiencing, problems due to 
installing a combo updater. In my opinion, you have little worries and 
should go ahead and do it.

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jollyroger (11010)
1/15/2009 6:33:37 PM
In article jollyroger-65BA8C.12333615012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/15/09 1:33 PM:

> In article <C593E5F5.2D5EA%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In article jollyroger-890560.17175614012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
>> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/14/09 6:17 PM:
>> 
>>> In article <C593D8FF.2D5DC%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Any more comments, suggestions, recommendations...especially in light of
>>>> the
>>>> mouse problems _a lot_ of folks have been reporting after the 10.5.6
>>>> update?
>>>> (See, for example,
>>>> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>.)
>>> 
>>> Have you installed the combo updater yet?
>> 
>> Nooooo....
>> 
>> I was going to do so this week, but I had some important things to do that
>> absolutely required access to my iMac, and I didn't want to run the risk of
>> any drawn-out difficulties. I decided I'd do it this weekend...but after
>> reading 
>> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45> --
>> which included Apple's acknowledgment of the problem -- I am again nervous
>> about doing it....though I have thought about at least moving to 10.5.5.
> 
> Considering you are having problems with your system now, I recommend
> you install the combo updater for your current version *before* you
> entertain the idea of moving on to 10.5.5.

I never even entertained that possibility. However, I must say that I did
use the combo updater to do my original 10.5.4 update. I don't recall
exactly when my "problems" began to occur...could've been that the SBBODs
that I have always "blamed" on Entourage have been with me forever, and the
other problems began _after_ the 10.5.4 update (in fact, I'm reasonably sure
about that). However, my sense is that the problems I've been complaining
about of late began _quite a while_ after I went to 10.5.4, and therefore
aren't attributable to the 10.5.4 uopdate.

So, your thought is that I should first "retry" the 10.5.4 combo updater,
before attempting the 10.5.5 combo updater -- I guess to eliminate the
confusion that might be introduced by the additional changes (beyond 10.5.4)
that the 10.5.5 update would introduce? OK...that sounds like a good
approach.

Is there anything I need to do to my current setup before clicking on the
update file? I mean, besides waiting for my next clone to be made, when I
tell the 10.5.4 updater to do the update, won't it come back to me with a
dialog telling me that I'm already running 10.5.4?


 
> You are much too hesitant with regards to the combo updater. I haven't
> *ever* experienced, or heard of someone experiencing, problems due to
> installing a combo updater.


These folks would argue that claim:
<http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>


> In my opinion, you have little worries and
> should go ahead and do it.

I am inclined to take the first step (the re-do of the 10.5.4 combo
update)...once I am clear how to proceed (per my above question).

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Nick
1/15/2009 10:16:26 PM
In article <C5951FEA.2D781%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> In article jollyroger-65BA8C.12333615012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/15/09 1:33 PM:
> 
> > In article <C593E5F5.2D5EA%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
> >  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article jollyroger-890560.17175614012009@news.individual.net, Jolly 
> >> Roger
> >> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/14/09 6:17 PM:
> >> 
> >>> In article <C593D8FF.2D5DC%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
> >>>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Any more comments, suggestions, recommendations...especially in light of
> >>>> the
> >>>> mouse problems _a lot_ of folks have been reporting after the 10.5.6
> >>>> update?
> >>>> (See, for example,
> >>>> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>.)
> >>> 
> >>> Have you installed the combo updater yet?
> >> 
> >> Nooooo....
> >> 
> >> I was going to do so this week, but I had some important things to do that
> >> absolutely required access to my iMac, and I didn't want to run the risk 
> >> of
> >> any drawn-out difficulties. I decided I'd do it this weekend...but after
> >> reading 
> >> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45> --
> >> which included Apple's acknowledgment of the problem -- I am again nervous
> >> about doing it....though I have thought about at least moving to 10.5.5.
> > 
> > Considering you are having problems with your system now, I recommend
> > you install the combo updater for your current version *before* you
> > entertain the idea of moving on to 10.5.5.
> 
> I never even entertained that possibility. However, I must say that I did
> use the combo updater to do my original 10.5.4 update. I don't recall
> exactly when my "problems" began to occur...could've been that the SBBODs
> that I have always "blamed" on Entourage have been with me forever, and the
> other problems began _after_ the 10.5.4 update (in fact, I'm reasonably sure
> about that). However, my sense is that the problems I've been complaining
> about of late began _quite a while_ after I went to 10.5.4, and therefore
> aren't attributable to the 10.5.4 uopdate.

The spinning beachballs may very well be related to Entourage. It's hard 
to tell for sure without sitting in front of your computer and doing 
some diagnostics while the problem is happening.

> So, your thought is that I should first "retry" the 10.5.4 combo updater,
> before attempting the 10.5.5 combo updater -- I guess to eliminate the
> confusion that might be introduced by the additional changes (beyond 10.5.4)
> that the 10.5.5 update would introduce? OK...that sounds like a good
> approach.

I doubt it can hurt.

> Is there anything I need to do to my current setup before clicking on the
> update file? I mean, besides waiting for my next clone to be made, when I
> tell the 10.5.4 updater to do the update, won't it come back to me with a
> dialog telling me that I'm already running 10.5.4?

Assuming you've already got a backup, verify the hard disk using Disk 
Utility. If it checks out, I say go for it.

> > You are much too hesitant with regards to the combo updater. I haven't
> > *ever* experienced, or heard of someone experiencing, problems due to
> > installing a combo updater.
> 
> These folks would argue that claim:
> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>

No, no, no. Those people were *udating* from an older version to 10.5.6. 
You, on the other hand, are simply re-applying the current version's 
combo updater. Major difference. I guess I should have been more clear 
in my statement:

I haven't *ever* experienced, or heard of someone experiencing, problems 
due to  re-applying the same version combo updater that they already 
have installed.

Better?  : )

> > In my opinion, you have little worries and
> > should go ahead and do it.
> 
> I am inclined to take the first step (the re-do of the 10.5.4 combo
> update)...once I am clear how to proceed (per my above question).

Now nothing should be holding you back. ; )

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jollyroger (11010)
1/16/2009 2:04:29 AM
In article jollyroger-CF749D.20042915012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/15/09 9:04 PM:

....
....

>>> 
>>> Considering you are having problems with your system now, I recommend
>>> you install the combo updater for your current version *before* you
>>> entertain the idea of moving on to 10.5.5.
>> 
>> I never even entertained that possibility. However, I must say that I did
>> use the combo updater to do my original 10.5.4 update. I don't recall
>> exactly when my "problems" began to occur...could've been that the SBBODs
>> that I have always "blamed" on Entourage have been with me forever, and the
>> other problems began _after_ the 10.5.4 update (in fact, I'm reasonably sure
>> about that). However, my sense is that the problems I've been complaining
>> about of late began _quite a while_ after I went to 10.5.4, and therefore
>> aren't attributable to the 10.5.4 uopdate.
> 
> The spinning beachballs may very well be related to Entourage. It's hard
> to tell for sure without sitting in front of your computer and doing
> some diagnostics while the problem is happening.

I never could zero in on it...even with the help of folks much more
knowledgeable than I (which is most of the population of the planet :( ) at
the various apple discussions forums.

 
>> So, your thought is that I should first "retry" the 10.5.4 combo updater,
>> before attempting the 10.5.5 combo updater -- I guess to eliminate the
>> confusion that might be introduced by the additional changes (beyond 10.5.4)
>> that the 10.5.5 update would introduce? OK...that sounds like a good
>> approach.
> 
> I doubt it can hurt.
> 
>> Is there anything I need to do to my current setup before clicking on the
>> update file? I mean, besides waiting for my next clone to be made, when I
>> tell the 10.5.4 updater to do the update, won't it come back to me with a
>> dialog telling me that I'm already running 10.5.4?
> 
> Assuming you've already got a backup, verify the hard disk using Disk
> Utility. If it checks out, I say go for it.

Sure, I'll verify (thanks for the reminder). I can do it via Disk Utility,
as well as TTP and also DW (the last time I did -- a couple of days ago
using TTP -- I got a "clean bill of health").

But my question remains: Will the 10.5.4 combo updater just let me do
another update to 10.5.4 _from_ 10.5.4??



 
>>> You are much too hesitant with regards to the combo updater. I haven't
>>> *ever* experienced, or heard of someone experiencing, problems due to
>>> installing a combo updater.
>> 
>> These folks would argue that claim:
>> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1828126&tstart=45>
> 
> No, no, no. Those people were *udating* from an older version to 10.5.6.
> You, on the other hand, are simply re-applying the current version's
> combo updater. Major difference. I guess I should have been more clear
> in my statement:
> 
> I haven't *ever* experienced, or heard of someone experiencing, problems
> due to  re-applying the same version combo updater that they already
> have installed.
> 
> Better?  : )

Much...I _was_ reacting to your seemingly "blanket" claim about combo
updates.

 
>>> In my opinion, you have little worries and
>>> should go ahead and do it.
>> 
>> I am inclined to take the first step (the re-do of the 10.5.4 combo
>> update)...once I am clear how to proceed (per my above question).
> 
> Now nothing should be holding you back. ; )

Tight underwear?

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Nick
1/16/2009 2:34:11 AM
In article <C5955C53.2D8A7%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> Will the 10.5.4 combo updater just let me do
> another update to 10.5.4 _from_ 10.5.4??

Absolutely. That's how it is able to replace files that may have become 
misplaced, corrupt, or changed in bad ways.

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jollyroger (11010)
1/16/2009 2:56:02 PM
In article jollyroger-EE4306.08560116012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/16/09 9:56 AM:

> In article <C5955C53.2D8A7%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
>  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Will the 10.5.4 combo updater just let me do
>> another update to 10.5.4 _from_ 10.5.4??
> 
> Absolutely. That's how it is able to replace files that may have become
> misplaced, corrupt, or changed in bad ways.

Not to assault an expired equine, but are you saying that the installer will
pass over (i.e.,ignore) those components that are "intact" (unchanged) and
replace those that have been changed/corrupted as well as install those that
are missing?

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Nick
1/16/2009 5:06:54 PM
In article <C59628DE.2DBFB%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
 Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> In article jollyroger-EE4306.08560116012009@news.individual.net, Jolly Roger
> at jollyroger@pobox.com wrote on 1/16/09 9:56 AM:
> 
> > In article <C5955C53.2D8A7%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>,
> >  Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Will the 10.5.4 combo updater just let me do
> >> another update to 10.5.4 _from_ 10.5.4??
> > 
> > Absolutely. That's how it is able to replace files that may have become
> > misplaced, corrupt, or changed in bad ways.
> 
> Not to assault an expired equine, but are you saying that the installer will
> pass over (i.e.,ignore) those components that are "intact" (unchanged) and
> replace those that have been changed/corrupted as well as install those that
> are missing?

I seriously doubt that. I am pretty sure it rather blindly replaces the 
full set.

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O( log n /log log n)
I saw a algorithm that has O( log n /log log n) lookup hops. I can't figure out how each case happen? I even can't understand why big-o can have "log log n" as denominator. Thx copernic wrote: > I saw a algorithm that has O( log n /log log n) lookup hops. I can't > figure out how each case happen? I even can't understand why big-o can > have "log log n" as denominator. Possibly a fusion tree. Basically a B-Tree like structure with a branching factor of (log(n))**(1/5) (which translates into a tree height of approximately (log n / log log ...

Maintaining permissions on /var/log/system.log?
The tail of system.log appears on my desktop via GeekTool. This works on all three of my Macs, but on my most recent acquisition - a MBP -system.log's permissions change when periodic.daily runs from 644 (desired) to 640 (not desired). Since GeekTool is running in my session, and since I am part of the admin group, I am not sure why it has permissions problems - but it may be running as 'nobody' (though the preference pane for sure runs as my session login, admin group). With what do I tinker to maintain system.log's permissions as 644? I can always reset the permiss...

(1234*(2/3)^(Log[1234]/Log[3])) === (1234^(Log[2]/Log[3])) should be?
what should be result of this evaluation? (1234*(2/3)^(Log[1234]/Log[3])) === (1234^(Log[2]/Log[3])) subqestion. How to make this work? Luka Rahne schrieb: > what should be result of this evaluation? > > (1234*(2/3)^(Log[1234]/Log[3])) === (1234^(Log[2]/Log[3])) > > subqestion. > > How to make this work? > In[1]:= ExpToTrig[{1234*(2/3)^(Log[1234]/Log[3]), 1234^(Log[2]/Log[3])}] SameQ @@ % Out[1]= {E^((Log[2]*Log[1234])/Log[3]), E^((Log[2]*Log[1234])/Log[3])} Out[2]= True :-)) On 19 Okt., 13:07, Luka Rahne <luka.ra...@gma...

gdm: how do I log who logs in?
Hi All, Is there a way to have gmd log who logs in and when they logged back out? Not having much luck Googling this. :-( Many thanks, -T # ls -al /var/log/gdm .... -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1132 May 4 08:31 :0.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1132 Apr 19 19:24 :0.log.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1132 Apr 19 16:37 :0.log.2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1187 Apr 19 16:37 :0.log.3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1132 Apr 11 08:14 :0.log.4 Note that my logs files are all one byte long. On May 4, 2011 14:50, in comp.os.linux.misc, Todd@invalid.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Is there a way to have gmd log who...

logging cannot access log
i have applied the recent solaris 8 recommended and security cluster patches on sun solaris 8 i rebooted to get the patches applied,but am not able to mount / in rw mode Kernel version: SunOS 5.8 Generic 108528-23 Jun 2003 mount -o remount,rw / WARNING: Could not access the log for /; Please run fsck(1M) mount: No such device mount: cannot mount /dev/md/dsk/d30 vfstab entry /dev/md/dsk/d30 /dev/md/rdsk/d30 / ufs 1 no logging fsck -y / ** /dev/md/rdsk/d30 ** Last Mounted on / ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Che...

Looking to have application logs and system logs uploaded to your desk?
Well I got tired of looking for log files, and most managed apps are expensive and don't give me exactly what I want in a raw format. so.... I have just deleveloped a program which is 55k which will, in conjunction with Sysinternals tools, upload a computers application logs and system logs to an ftp server of your choice. This can be scheduled to happen as many times as you would like. If the client is missing the Sysinternal tools, they are automatically downloaded, permissions for the individual files are allowed and then it launches. The uploaded files are csv and open in ...

Slow Log Out and Log In
I'm running on an iMac with OS X 10.8.4 and it seems that my Log Out and Log In times have become excessively long, Log Out taking about 45 to 60 seconds and Log In taking about 200 to 240 seconds. Other than that there doesn't appear to be any sluggish performance. Is there something that can be done to reduce the Log Out and Log In times? -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas In article <b2ekphFth6vU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: > I'm running on an iMac with OS X 10.8.4 and it seems that my Log Out > and Log...

display logged in and logged out
Dear friends, I am having a doubt. How can i display the listof users who have logged in and logged out with in the given time. On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:35:56 -0800, balasam wrote: > Dear friends, > I am having a doubt. > How can i display the listof users who have logged > in and logged out with in the given time. Process the output of the "last" command. ...

Re: (1234*(2/3)^(Log[1234]/Log[3])) === (1234^(Log[2]/Log[3])) should be?
The result should be False. If you want True then you should use Equal ( == ) not SameQ ( === ) (1234*(2/3)^(Log[1234]/Log[3])) == (1234^(Log[2]/Log[3])) // Simplify True Bob Hanlon ---- Luka Rahne <luka.rahne@gmail.com> wrote: ============= what should be result of this evaluation? (1234*(2/3)^(Log[1234]/Log[3])) === (1234^(Log[2]/Log[3])) subqestion. How to make this work? ...

Excessive xvideo logging to kdm.log and Xorg.0.log
Greetings. Whenever I play a movie with MPlayer using the XVideo video output (mplayer -vo xv), I get excessive debugging messages in /var/log/kdm.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. And I really mean *excessive* -- after watching just few hours of movies, the log files are several gigabytes in size! Here is what is logged in both files (repeated ad nauseum, several times per second): OVERLAY_UPDATE I830QueryImageAttributes: w is 720, h is 576 SIZE IS 622080 I830PutImage: src: (0,0)(720,576), dst: (549,114)(720,576) width 720, height 576 srcPitch: 720, dstPitch: 512, size: 884736 I830AllocateMemo...

Logging exception with java.util.logging.Logger#log() to file only
I'm logging exceptions with java.util.logging.Logger#log() (i can't use anything apart from standard Java API) and i don't want any stack trace to appear in stdout or stderr is there any way I can filter or redirect all output that is produced buy this method into the file only? Royan wrote: > I'm logging exceptions with java.util.logging.Logger#log() (i can't > use anything apart from standard Java API) and i don't want any stack > trace to appear in stdout or stderr is there any way I can filter or > redirect all output that is produced buy this method ...

switching system system log
Is there a way to automatically have the system log file switch each nigh= t=20 at midnight rather than changing it manually? Thanks, Robin Quinn robin.quinn@wellpoint.com * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * Robin, HELP SWITCHLOG Put it in the nightly backup. -Craig Robin Quinn <robinq@COMCAST.NET> wrote: Is there a way to automatically have the system log file switch each night at midnight rather than changing it manually? Thanks, ...

Strange Mac Errors in System Log on RH9
I've got RH9. I'm seeing some strange MAC errors over and over in my system log. What could I have done to my system to cause this? Sep 5 18:10:53 mylinux kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:01:03:d6:4f:03:00:c0:49:d4:6e:c5:08:00 SRC=192.168.100.1 DST=192.168.100.12 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=56848 PROTO=TCP SPT=515 DPT=810 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=0 On 5 Sep 2004 15:15:50 -0700, googlemike@hotpop.com (Google Mike) wrote: >I've got RH9. I'm seeing some strange MAC errors over and over in my >system log. What could I have done to my system to cause th...

Log Explorer vs. ApexSQL Log vs. SQL Log-Rescue
Opinions? I've installed all three to try'em out and they all seem to be working so far, more or less. Log Explorer has given me a couple of errors but I started over and continued OK. ApexSQL Log squawked about "redo for delete cannot be generated for tables lacking clustered index". Huh? What the...? We have lots of tables without a clustered index. I read some reports in Red-Gate's technical support forum about their product actually bringing down SQL Server. That did not inspire confidence. All three install some server-side components like extended stored proc&#...

sendmail still logs old hostname in /var/log/mail.log
after changing the host name and restarting rsyslog information in mail.log still shows the old host name. Linux newhostname 2.6.38-8-server #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:49:04 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ?? never mind........it started working........ musta been just enough time for the FQDN to implement -h "horus" <horus@sonic.net> wrote in message news:4ea13b8e$0$1641$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > after changing the host name and restarting rsyslog > information in mail.log still shows the old host name. > Linux newhostname 2.6.38-8-server #42-Ubu...

[ace-users] Is it possible to configure logging system to provide some sort of component based logging?
Hello, is it possible to configure logging system to provide some sort of component based logging? I.e., I have a service SVC and I want the logfile to look like: 2012-04-27 12:42:28.198@LM_NOTICE@SVC: Reconnect after 10 s scheduled Now I do this by prepending "SVC: " string before the log message, but I think there should be better way. All components run in the same process, so process-wide configuration does not help. Thanks! ...

Why does: "tail -f /var/log/messages | grep eth0 >> /var/log/eth0.log" create an empty log ?
bash scripting question: if: "cat /var/log/messages" yeilds: it87-isa-0290 Adapter: ISA adapter Algorithm: ISA algorithm VCore 1: +1.79 V (min = +1.48 V, max = +2.01 V) VCore 2: +1.24 V (min = +1.02 V, max = +1.37 V) +3.3V: +3.21 V (min = +2.80 V, max = +3.79 V) +5V: +4.97 V (min = +4.23 V, max = +5.75 V) +12V: +12.00 V (min = +10.16 V, max = +13.80 V) Stdby: +4.80 V (min = +4.23 V, max = +5.75 V) VBat: +0.00 V fan1: 5578 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2) fan2: 2922 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 2) M/B Temp: +43�C (l...

Simplifying Log[a] + Log[expr_]
Hello, This works as I would hope it would: Simplify[Log[a^2] + Log[b^2] - Log[-2 b^2], Assumptions -> Element[a, Reals] && Element[b, Reals]] It returns -Log[-2/a^2] However, something a little more complicated: Simplify[ Log[4] - - 2 Log[-2 ((R + x)^2 + y^2 + (z - zvar)^2)] + 2 Log[(R + x)^2 + y^2 + (z - zvar)^2]), Assumptions -> {Element[zvar,Reals], Element[x,Reals],Element[y, Reals], Element[z, Reals}] doesn't simplify. I can't see a way to do this, but brute force. Any ideas? Thanks, W. Craig Carter W. Craig Carter ...

help, what @@(D,2)(LOG) @@(D,3)(LOG) D(LOG) mean?
hello guys utilizing the 'diff' function to calculate partial derivative of a complex formula ,I get a puzzle. the code below : syms u v w t1 t2 myfun=-1/t1*LOG{1-(1-exp(-t1))^(-1)*[1-(1-(1-exp(-t2))^(-1)*(1-exp(-t2*u))*(1-exp(-t2*v)))^(-t1/t2)]*(1-exp(-t2*w))} a=diff(myfun,u); b=diff(a,v); c=diff(b,w); d=simple(c) IN the results is long. the puzzle is : 1&#65289;&#8230;&#8230;*@@(D,3)(LOG)(1+(-1+exp(-t2*w))*(1-(1-1/(1-exp(-t2))*(1-exp(-t2*u))*(1-exp(-t2*v)))^(-t1/t2))/&#8230;&#8230; 2&#8230;&#8230;*@@(D,2)(LOG)(1+(-1+exp(-t2*w))*(1-(1-1/(1-exp(-t2)...

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