OSX problems with standard Mac OS files

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Did a test today, dropped a few files on a floppy and attempted to open them
under OSX.  I did not add any extensions to the files, as since I'm using a mac
I figure I do not need to. Well, to my horror OSX was unable to open the .pct
file without me assigning it an application, and it completely could not open
the .snd file, drag and drop clipping file, and AppleWorks file, even though
AppleWorks for OSX and AppleWorks for OS classic were installed on the Mac.
Attemtpting to launch a classic app and access the floppy was impossible.  The
floppy just did not show in the file open menu.  

When I returned the floppy to my OS 9.x mac, the snd and clipping file were not
openable.  Its like oSX destroyed those files.  Is this normal behavior?  I was
using OSX 10.1.  I sure hope 10.5 does not destroy files, and can open mac
files with no extensions easily.  

Since newer Macs cannot boot into OS 9.x I believe its very difficult for OSX
to be as backward compatible as PC's are.  


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Reply crucifyself03 (284) 9/18/2003 1:17:52 AM

Leo <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

> Is this normal behavior?

No.

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/18/2003 1:28:57 AM


On 18 Sep 2003 01:17:52 GMT,
    Leo (crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk) wrote:
> Is this normal behavior?  

For you, yes.  For the rest of us, no.  You're totally incompetent, so
it is no surprise you couldn't get this work either.  And it isn't just
Macs you're incompetent with.  Its obvious from the PC groups that you
totally failed in getting ActiveSync to work with your Jornada in 
every which way you tried.

Beverly
-- 
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply bevakupf (1499) 9/18/2003 1:36:28 AM

Leo <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

> When I returned the floppy to my OS 9.x mac, the snd and clipping file
> were not openable.  Its like oSX destroyed those files.  Is this normal
> behavior?

No, it's not.  You never had a chance at opening the snd file that way
since, as you've been told in the past, you play snd files via iTunes.
However, attempting that should not have damaged it, and the clipping
file should have opened, and the AppleWorks file should have as well.

I'm telling you all this having just finished testing it out here.  This
is not a general OS X problem but appears to be something specific to
your floppy disk drives or the disk itself.

> I was using OSX 10.1.  

Well, I'm running OS X 10.2.6 here.  I'd have to question why that Mac
was updated to at least 10.1.5, but I'm guessing without being able to
test it directly that the OS version wasn't the cause of your problem.

> I sure hope 10.5 does not destroy files, and can open mac files with no
> extensions easily.

This is the type of thing that could easily get you flamed, since it's
another example of your jumping to conclusions and attacking Apple
before you've even gotten answers to your questions.

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/18/2003 1:45:33 AM

In article <1g1g99r.1lv8u8z1nhh7dbN%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid>,
 mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:


> This is the type of thing that could easily get you flamed, since it's
> another example of your jumping to conclusions and attacking Apple
> before you've even gotten answers to your questions.

Mike, Mike, Mike, when will you ever learn?

-- 
Enough <enough@idontcare.com>
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Reply enough (518) 9/18/2003 12:16:15 PM

In article <20030917211752.24345.00001509@mb-m16.aol.com>,
 crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk (Leo) wrote:

> Did a test today, dropped a few files on a floppy and attempted to open them
> under OSX.  I did not add any extensions to the files, as since I'm using a 
> mac
> I figure I do not need to. Well, to my horror OSX was unable to open the .pct
> file without me assigning it an application, and it completely could not open
> the .snd file, drag and drop clipping file, and AppleWorks file, even though
> AppleWorks for OSX and AppleWorks for OS classic were installed on the Mac.
> Attemtpting to launch a classic app and access the floppy was impossible.  
> The
> floppy just did not show in the file open menu.  
> 
> When I returned the floppy to my OS 9.x mac, the snd and clipping file were 
> not
> openable.  Its like oSX destroyed those files.  Is this normal behavior?

It sounds to me like you are using a PC-formatted disk. PC-formatted 
disks don't support all of the Macs metadata such as file type and 
creator.

Andr�

-- 
n.b. there are no monotremes in my email address
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Reply aisaak (12) 9/18/2003 8:27:43 PM

It would have been great hearing this truth from those other experts.

Troll Charlie

"Andre G. Isaak" wrote:

> In article <20030917211752.24345.00001509@mb-m16.aol.com>,
>  crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk (Leo) wrote:
>
> > Did a test today, dropped a few files on a floppy and attempted to open them
> > under OSX.  I did not add any extensions to the files, as since I'm using a
> > mac
> > I figure I do not need to. Well, to my horror OSX was unable to open the .pct
> > file without me assigning it an application, and it completely could not open
> > the .snd file, drag and drop clipping file, and AppleWorks file, even though
> > AppleWorks for OSX and AppleWorks for OS classic were installed on the Mac.
> > Attemtpting to launch a classic app and access the floppy was impossible.
> > The
> > floppy just did not show in the file open menu.
> >
> > When I returned the floppy to my OS 9.x mac, the snd and clipping file were
> > not
> > openable.  Its like oSX destroyed those files.  Is this normal behavior?
>
> It sounds to me like you are using a PC-formatted disk. PC-formatted
> disks don't support all of the Macs metadata such as file type and
> creator.
>
> Andr�
>
> --
> n.b. there are no monotremes in my email address

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Reply kay2308 (28) 9/19/2003 12:03:04 AM

Leo <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

> One or two was actually able to respond decently and give me a good
> answer.
> 
> The problem was that I was using a PC floppy.

You're not going to read this since I'm in your killfile, but perhaps
someone will quote it so you'll see it.

I spent half an hour that evening after reading your initial post in
this thread investigating your problem.  I booted my G4 in OS 9 and
created AppleWorks, clipping and snd files just for this purpose, copied
them onto a floppy disk (having to go to my car to get my floppy disk
drive, since I never use floppy disks on my own anymore and was glad
Apple didn't force me to pay for an internal drive), booted in OS X,
tested opening the files, went back to OS 9 and looked to see if any
were damaged.  I did this all on your behalf, Mr. Wolf, despite
everything else, because I wanted to see if it really was a general
problem.  This, by the way, was around 9 pm, when I'd only just gotten
home from seeing a client.  When everything worked okay here, I
concluded it was not a general OS X problem, which is true, and said:

"This is not a general OS X problem but appears to be something specific
to your floppy disk drives or the disk itself."

Now you say the problem was that you were using a PC-formatted disk,
which means I was correct in saying it may be the disk itself.  Forgive
me for not knowing the specific problem with the disk, but it _was_ the
disk.

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/19/2003 4:21:38 PM

Mike Rosenberg <mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> wrote:

> I spent half an hour that evening after reading your initial post in
> this thread investigating your problem.

And yeah, before anyone tells me this, I realize I was an idiot for
putting in any effort on his behalf, but I mistakenly thought _HE_
wasn't such a complete and utter imbecile that he cannot tell when
someone is trying to help him in earnest.

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/19/2003 4:29:49 PM

Do you ever have a kind word to say about anyone, Beverly?

keith whaley

"Bev A. Kupf" wrote:
> 
> On 18 Sep 2003 01:17:52 GMT,
>     Leo (crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk) wrote:
> > Is this normal behavior?
> 
> For you, yes.  For the rest of us, no.  You're totally incompetent, so
> it is no surprise you couldn't get this work either.  And it isn't just
> Macs you're incompetent with.  Its obvious from the PC groups that you
> totally failed in getting ActiveSync to work with your Jornada in
> every which way you tried.
> 
> Beverly
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Reply keith_w (47) 9/19/2003 4:38:44 PM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:38:44 -0700,
    Keith Whaley (keith_w@dslextreme.com) wrote:
> Do you ever have a kind word to say about anyone, Beverly?

Yes, I do Kevin.  John Wolf and Enough are exceptions -- not the rule.

Take care,
Bev
 
> keith whaley
> 
> "Bev A. Kupf" wrote:
>> 
>> On 18 Sep 2003 01:17:52 GMT,
>>     Leo (crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk) wrote:
>> > Is this normal behavior?
>> 
>> For you, yes.  For the rest of us, no.  You're totally incompetent, so
>> it is no surprise you couldn't get this work either.  And it isn't just
>> Macs you're incompetent with.  Its obvious from the PC groups that you
>> totally failed in getting ActiveSync to work with your Jornada in
>> every which way you tried.
>> 
>> Beverly


-- 
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply bevakupf (1499) 9/19/2003 4:39:24 PM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:29:49 -0400,
    Mike Rosenberg (mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid) wrote:
> And yeah, before anyone tells me this, I realize I was an idiot for
> putting in any effort on his behalf, but I mistakenly thought _HE_
> wasn't such a complete and utter imbecile that he cannot tell when
> someone is trying to help him in earnest.

I understand the feeling, and the frustration perfectly.  There has
been more than one occasion when I too have pulled out old hardware
just to reproduce a claim that John has made on this group or on other
groups.  What I find truly remarkable about him is his persistent
belief that his consistent inability to accomplish several things
have little to do with him, but everything to do with the hardware
made by Apple or the software written by Apple.

Bev
-- 
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply bevakupf (1499) 9/19/2003 4:52:01 PM

Keith Whaley <keith_w@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Do you ever have a kind word to say about anyone, Beverly?

She's said some very kind things about me, and never anything unkind.  I
think that, if you'll take some time to read numerous posts by the
people Bev is responding to, you'll see that she's giving them pretty
much what they deserve.  In the case at hand, she was responding to
someone who has been lying to us and posting under different names
pretending to be several people for the past few months, and he's been a
major nuisance here for about 5 years.

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/19/2003 4:55:53 PM

Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:

> I understand the feeling, and the frustration perfectly.  There has
> been more than one occasion when I too have pulled out old hardware
> just to reproduce a claim that John has made on this group or on other
> groups. 

And then there are all the times I've tried to work with him on
troubleshooting a sound problem on his old 6100.  I don't think I'm
exaggerating when I say I put in as much effort as everyone else here
combined, but all too often he would argue with me and refuse to follow
through on my suggestions, despite my asking him what's the harm in at
least trying, until I finally gave up.

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/19/2003 5:00:03 PM


"Bev A. Kupf" wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:38:44 -0700,
>     Keith Whaley (keith_w@dslextreme.com) wrote:
> > Do you ever have a kind word to say about anyone, Beverly?
> 
> Yes, I do Kevin.  John Wolf and Enough are exceptions -- not the rule.
> 
> Take care,
> Bev

Okay. I understand the situation, Betty. Thanks for the clarification.

You too,
keith
 
> > keith whaley
> >
> > "Bev A. Kupf" wrote:
> >>
> >> On 18 Sep 2003 01:17:52 GMT,
> >>     Leo (crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk) wrote:
> >> > Is this normal behavior?
> >>
> >> For you, yes.  For the rest of us, no.  You're totally incompetent, so
> >> it is no surprise you couldn't get this work either.  And it isn't just
> >> Macs you're incompetent with.  Its obvious from the PC groups that you
> >> totally failed in getting ActiveSync to work with your Jornada in
> >> every which way you tried.
> >>
> >> Beverly
> 
> --
> Bev A. Kupf
> "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply keith_w (47) 9/19/2003 5:01:18 PM

In article <1g1j8gx.1q7qfl79egfaN%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid>,
 mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Leo <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
> 
> > One or two was actually able to respond decently and give me a good
> > answer.
> > 
> > The problem was that I was using a PC floppy.
> 
> You're not going to read this since I'm in your killfile, but perhaps
> someone will quote it so you'll see it.

No problem, Mike, here ya go!

HEY, DIAPERBOY! The message below is for you. No, below, idiot.


> I spent half an hour that evening after reading your initial post in
> this thread investigating your problem.  I booted my G4 in OS 9 and
> created AppleWorks, clipping and snd files just for this purpose, copied
> them onto a floppy disk (having to go to my car to get my floppy disk
> drive, since I never use floppy disks on my own anymore and was glad
> Apple didn't force me to pay for an internal drive), booted in OS X,
> tested opening the files, went back to OS 9 and looked to see if any
> were damaged.  I did this all on your behalf, Mr. Wolf, despite
> everything else, because I wanted to see if it really was a general
> problem.  This, by the way, was around 9 pm, when I'd only just gotten
> home from seeing a client.  When everything worked okay here, I
> concluded it was not a general OS X problem, which is true, and said:
> 
> "This is not a general OS X problem but appears to be something specific
> to your floppy disk drives or the disk itself."
> 
> Now you say the problem was that you were using a PC-formatted disk,
> which means I was correct in saying it may be the disk itself.  Forgive
> me for not knowing the specific problem with the disk, but it _was_ the
> disk.

-- 
Enough <enough@idontcare.com>
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Reply enough (518) 9/19/2003 5:13:18 PM

In article <3F6B30EF.34CDDDCF@dslextreme.com>, Keith Whaley
<keith_w@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Do you ever have a kind word to say about anyone, Beverly?
> 
> keith whaley

Beverly posts very helpful responses to users asking questions in these
newsgroups.  It is rather misleading to regard Bev's responses to JWolf
and Enough as representative  - she is one of the most helpful people
in the community.

Cathy


> "Bev A. Kupf" wrote:
> > 
> > On 18 Sep 2003 01:17:52 GMT,
> >     Leo (crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk) wrote:
> > > Is this normal behavior?
> > 
> > For you, yes.  For the rest of us, no.  You're totally incompetent, so
> > it is no surprise you couldn't get this work either.  And it isn't just
> > Macs you're incompetent with.  Its obvious from the PC groups that you
> > totally failed in getting ActiveSync to work with your Jornada in
> > every which way you tried.
> > 
> > Beverly

-- 
"there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel

C.Stevenson, M.D.
cats1921@sonic.net
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Reply cats19212 (44) 9/19/2003 5:28:27 PM

In article <190920031028241719%cats1921@bayarea.net>,
 Cathy Stevenson <cats1921@bayarea.net> wrote:

> she is one of the most helpful people
> in the community.

She's a pontificating broad. But at least, apparently, she is XX!

-- 
Enough <enough@idontcare.com>
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Reply enough (518) 9/19/2003 6:06:38 PM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:00:03 -0400,
    Mike Rosenberg (mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid) wrote:
> Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
> 
>> I understand the feeling, and the frustration perfectly.  There has
>> been more than one occasion when I too have pulled out old hardware
>> just to reproduce a claim that John has made on this group or on other
>> groups. 
> 
> And then there are all the times I've tried to work with him on
> troubleshooting a sound problem on his old 6100.  I don't think I'm
> exaggerating when I say I put in as much effort as everyone else here
> combined, but all too often he would argue with me and refuse to follow
> through on my suggestions, despite my asking him what's the harm in at
> least trying, until I finally gave up.
> 

I don't think you're exaggerating in the least.  You've tried to help
him, and reason with him.  I reallyb believed that he would stay away 
from these groups -- fat chance.  He's obsessive-compulsive.  And to 
that extent, we're his fodder.

Beverly
P.S. Hope you weren't affected by Isabel.
-- 
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply bevakupf (1499) 9/19/2003 11:49:10 PM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:06:38 GMT,
    Enough (enough@idontcare.com) wrote:
> In article <190920031028241719%cats1921@bayarea.net>,
>  Cathy Stevenson <cats1921@bayarea.net> wrote:
> 
>> she is one of the most helpful people
>> in the community.
> 
> She's a pontificating broad. 

This is a dig at me or the pope -- I'm not sure which, so I can't
respond to it.

> But at least, apparently, she is XX!

This I will respond to, because it is insulting to someone I have 
come to respect -- Michelle.  I spent the afternoon learning quite a bit
about the X and Y chromosomes, something I sure Cathy Stevenson
knows a lot more about than I or you ever shall.  Do you know that
that there are XX males?  Do you also know that there are XY females?
I didn't.  And if you didn't, I suggest you read the work of Dr. David
Page at MIT who has cataloged the meiotic recombination events that result 
in XX males and XY females.  A genotype of XY is no guarantee of a 
phenotype of male.  So how's it feel to be XO, Enough?

Beverly
-- 
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply bevakupf (1499) 9/20/2003 12:26:18 AM

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:26:18 GMT,
    Bev A. Kupf (bevakupf@myhome.net) wrote:
> Do you know that
> that there are XX males?  Do you also know that there are XY females?
> I didn't.  And if you didn't, I suggest you read the work of Dr. David
> Page at MIT who has cataloged the meiotic recombination events that result 
> in XX males and XY females. 

It actually turns out that there are far more XX males and XY
females in the general population than I had known there were
before today.  And Enough, on the odd chance you are sufficiently
intelligent to read scientific journals, here are four articles
that should point you in the right direction:

Abnormal XY interchange between a novel isolated protein kinase
gene, PRKY, and its homologue, PRKX, accounts for one third of
all (Y+)XX males and (Y-)XY females.
Hum Mol Genet. 1997 Oct;6(11):1985-9.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9302280&dopt=Abstract>

Velocardiofacial syndrome in an unexplained XX male.
Am J Med Genet. 2003 Jan 1;116A(1):77-9. 
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12476456&dopt=Abstract>

SRY-positive 46,XX male with cryptorchidism as the only
presenting clinical feature. 
Urol Int. 2003;71(2):219-21.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12890966&dopt=Abstract>

Dysgerminoma and gonadal dysgenesis in a 46,XX female with no
evidence of Y chromosomal DNA. 
Gynecol Oncol. 1995 Jun;57(3):423-5.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7774849&dopt=Abstract>

So Enough, whatever your pathetic phenotype is, how sure are you of your
genotype?  Want to roll the dice?  I know a lab where they genotype mice -- 
we could send them your DNA.

Beverly
-- 
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply bevakupf (1499) 9/20/2003 1:35:31 AM

Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:

> P.S. Hope you weren't affected by Isabel.

Thanks!  Hurricanes rarely get very close to Jacksonville because of the
curvature of the coastline, and this one missed Florida entirely.  We
had some high winds as it passed by well offshore on Wednesday and that
was it.  Oh, except for the beautiful weather it pulled in behind it.
:-)

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/20/2003 2:05:58 AM

In article <slrnbmn7nu.ece.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>, Bev
A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:06:38 GMT,
>     Enough (enough@idontcare.com) wrote:
> > In article <190920031028241719%cats1921@bayarea.net>,
> >  Cathy Stevenson <cats1921@bayarea.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> she is one of the most helpful people
> >> in the community.
> > 
> > She's a pontificating broad. 
> 
> This is a dig at me or the pope -- I'm not sure which, so I can't
> respond to it.
> 
> > But at least, apparently, she is XX!
> 
> This I will respond to, because it is insulting to someone I have 
> come to respect -- Michelle.  I spent the afternoon learning quite a bit
> about the X and Y chromosomes, something I sure Cathy Stevenson
> knows a lot more about than I or you ever shall.  Do you know that
> that there are XX males?  Do you also know that there are XY females?
> I didn't.  And if you didn't, I suggest you read the work of Dr. David
> Page at MIT who has cataloged the meiotic recombination events that result 
> in XX males and XY females.  A genotype of XY is no guarantee of a 
> phenotype of male.  So how's it feel to be XO, Enough?

You are a true optimist if you think it makes the least bit of
difference to Enough.  I have in the past found Enough's right-on,
albeit insultin, posts somewhat entertaining.  But I do draw the line
at cruelty, and he has shown himself to be, not just a clever smartass,
but a very cruel person.  He is likely very proud to be so considered.

Cathy

-- 
"there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel

C.Stevenson, M.D.
cats1921@sonic.net
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Reply cats19212 (44) 9/20/2003 2:47:18 AM

In article <slrnbmn7nu.ece.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>,
 "Bev A. Kupf" <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:06:38 GMT,
>     Enough (enough@idontcare.com) wrote:
> > In article <190920031028241719%cats1921@bayarea.net>,
> >  Cathy Stevenson <cats1921@bayarea.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> she is one of the most helpful people
> >> in the community.
> > 
> > She's a pontificating broad. 
> 
> This is a dig at me or the pope -- I'm not sure which, so I can't
> respond to it.

Limited intelligence?

> 
> > But at least, apparently, she is XX!
> 
> This I will respond to, because it is insulting to someone I have 
> come to respect -- Michelle.

Who's that?

>  I spent the afternoon learning quite a bit
> about the X and Y chromosomes,

I would suggest actually getting a LIFE!

> something I sure Cathy Stevenson
> knows a lot more about than I or you ever shall.

Probably, but so what?

>  Do you know that
> that there are XX males?

Do you know that in the long run it don't matter? We've all worm food.

>  Do you also know that there are XY females?

Ditto.

> I didn't.

We don't have the time (or the storage capactiy in the Internet) to deal 
with all you don't know.

>  And if you didn't, I suggest you read the work of Dr. David
> Page at MIT who has cataloged the meiotic recombination events that result 
> in XX males and XY females.  A genotype of XY is no guarantee of a 
> phenotype of male.  So how's it feel to be XO, Enough?

So what? I am who I am, Major Mike is who he/she is? Accept it. Having 
fun with a scalpel won't change a thing. I'm with Plato on this one. 

jdoggy will reamin a toad, Michael Jackson will remain Black and Major 
Mike will remain a deceptive, self-hating asshole!

> Beverly

It that is who you claim to be today.

-- 
Enough <enough@idontcare.com>
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Reply enough (518) 9/20/2003 12:49:10 PM

Frank G <greenmamba9999@aol.com5268> wrote:

> She tears down poor jwolf and Enough constantly.  Many times they ask good
> questions too.

Okay, now I KNOW I've entered the Twilight Zone!  I mean, okay, I've
kind of gotten used to pretending you're several people and acting like
anyone actually buys it, BUT... You're now defending the person who
started calling you jdoggy??!!!  The one who's over the years called you
moron and other such names more than everyone else combined?

-- 
Mike Rosenberg

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Reply mike2 (2271) 9/20/2003 1:47:21 PM

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:47:21 -0400,
    Mike Rosenberg (mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid) wrote:
> Frank G <greenmamba9999@aol.com5268> wrote:
> 
>> She tears down poor jwolf and Enough constantly.  Many times they ask good
>> questions too.
> 
> Okay, now I KNOW I've entered the Twilight Zone!  I mean, okay, I've
> kind of gotten used to pretending you're several people and acting like
> anyone actually buys it, BUT... You're now defending the person who
> started calling you jdoggy??!!!  The one who's over the years called you
> moron and other such names more than everyone else combined?

The frontal lobotomy makes John's mind work in strange and unpredictable
ways.  And I've never known Enough to ask a question, let alone a good one.

Bev
-- 
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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Reply bevakupf (1499) 9/20/2003 3:52:22 PM

In article <1g1kwag.ob2yrv1qjgf5sN%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid>,
 mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> You're now defending the person who
> started calling you jdoggy??!!!  The one who's over the years called you
> moron and other such names more than everyone else combined?

Thank ya'. Thank ya' very much!

-- 
Enough <enough@idontcare.com>
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Reply enough (518) 9/20/2003 6:55:04 PM

In article <slrnbmou0a.hhj.bevakupf@ebv.mimnet.northwestern.edu>,
 "Bev A. Kupf" <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:

> And I've never known Enough to ask a question, let alone a good one.

I will as soon as there is something I do not know.

-- 
Enough <enough@idontcare.com>
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Reply enough (518) 9/20/2003 6:55:38 PM

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