I'm considering getting an SDD as well as a conventional hard drive with my 
next Macintosh.

I know that in such a configuration, the OS comes installed on the SDD, but 
don't know what else is installed on it, and what is installed on the hard 
drive.  For instance, where are the Users and Applications folders located?

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On 2012-06-25 12:15 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I'm considering getting an SDD as well as a conventional hard drive with my
> next Macintosh.

Sexy Disk Drive?

>
> I know that in such a configuration, the OS comes installed on the SDD, but
> don't know what else is installed on it, and what is installed on the hard
> drive.  For instance, where are the Users and Applications folders located?

I would hope on the SSD.  In effect, the directory structure that a 
virgin install would result in, as well as after adding users.

Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so 
on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.



-- 
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
             -Samuel Clemens.

In article <-aSdnTSCYeZXDHXSnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so 
> on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.

But those folders go inside the user's home folder.  If the Users folder is 
on the SSD and I I move those folders out of the user's home folder, they 
won't be protected by my user password.

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Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

In article <michelle-2D6CA8.09151325062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> I'm considering getting an SDD as well as a conventional hard drive with my 
> next Macintosh.
> 
> I know that in such a configuration, the OS comes installed on the SDD, but 
> don't know what else is installed on it, and what is installed on the hard 
> drive.  For instance, where are the Users and Applications folders located?

Yes, it's just a disk, so everything comes on it as normal.

I bought the low end Mini (hence, these days, with an empty slot), and 
an SSD and extra memory from Crucial. Then I sent it all off to be 
installed by a professional outfit and so now have a decent speed 
machine. Cheaper than buying a config with SSD from the Apple Store.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

On 2012-06-25 12:44 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <-aSdnTSCYeZXDHXSnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so
>> on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.
>
> But those folders go inside the user's home folder.  If the Users folder is
> on the SSD and I I move those folders out of the user's home folder, they
> won't be protected by my user password.

If you follow the Apple OS X "preset" structure for music, photos, 
documents, then yes.

But you certainly don't have to and I don't know of an application that 
won't access files outside the defaults/presets (not entirely sure about 
iTunes).

For example, my photos are (99.99%) within:

            ~/documents/photography/photographs

rather than in

            ~/Pictures

And those phots could indeed be on a separate drive such as

            /volumes/drobo/photos

     if desired.

-- 
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
             -Samuel Clemens.

In article <michelle-C0FD1C.09441025062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <-aSdnTSCYeZXDHXSnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so 
> > on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.
> 
> But those folders go inside the user's home folder.

Only by default.

> If the Users folder is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of
> the user's home folder, they won't be protected by my user password.

Why not? You created them, you own them. What do you expect to do with 
your HDD, otherwise?

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

On 2012-06-25 12:57 , Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <michelle-C0FD1C.09441025062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <-aSdnTSCYeZXDHXSnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and
>> so > on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed
>> things up.
>>
>> But those folders go inside the user's home folder.
>
> Only by default.
>
>> If the Users folder is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of
>> the user's home folder, they won't be protected by my user password.
>
> Why not? You created them, you own them. What do you expect to do with
> your HDD, otherwise?

Thanks, I forgot to address the password / owner issue.

I'd add to that that you can use the FileVault feature as well for both 
the 2nd internal volume and external volumes.


-- 
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
             -Samuel Clemens.

In article <timstreater-1E2668.17571625062012@news.individual.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> > > Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so 
> > > on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.
> > 
> > But those folders go inside the user's home folder.
> 
> Only by default.
> 
> > If the Users folder is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of
> > the user's home folder, they won't be protected by my user password.
> 
> Why not? You created them, you own them. What do you expect to do with 
> your HDD, otherwise?

Well, I was hoping to be able to put the Users folder on the HDD, and keep 
all my documents there, with the OS and applications staying on the SSD.

But if the next generation of iMac offers SSDs greater than the current 
256G, I just may get only an SSD, and forego an HDD entirely.  (Depending 
on price, of course.)

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

In article <1uqdnY7Lm6DoB3XSnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Thanks, I forgot to address the password / owner issue.
> 
> I'd add to that that you can use the FileVault feature as well for both 
> the 2nd internal volume and external volumes.

How would that affect other users?

-- 
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People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

In article <t8GdnUQCxcbABXXSnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> For example, my photos are (99.99%) within:
> 
>             ~/documents/photography/photographs
> 
> rather than in
> 
>             ~/Pictures

Both of those are in your Home folder, though.

> And those phots could indeed be on a separate drive such as
> 
>             /volumes/drobo/photos

And therefore accessible from any user account on the computer, right?

-- 
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People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

In message <michelle-2D6CA8.09151325062012@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> I'm considering getting an SDD as well as a conventional hard drive with my 
> next Macintosh.

> I know that in such a configuration, the OS comes installed on the SDD, but 
> don't know what else is installed on it, and what is installed on the hard 
> drive.  For instance, where are the Users and Applications folders located?

Everything is on the SSD, the HD is empty.


-- 
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and wife. Proceed with the execution.

In message <michelle-E73B81.13254125062012@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <t8GdnUQCxcbABXXSnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>> For example, my photos are (99.99%) within:
>> 
>>             ~/documents/photography/photographs
>> 
>> rather than in
>> 
>>             ~/Pictures

> Both of those are in your Home folder, though.

>> And those phots could indeed be on a separate drive such as
>> 
>>             /volumes/drobo/photos

> And therefore accessible from any user account on the computer, right?

No, you can set permissions however you want.



-- 
Generalizations are always inaccurate.  

In message <michelle-E497F1.13230925062012@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <timstreater-1E2668.17571625062012@news.individual.net>,
>  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

>> > > Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so 
>> > > on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.
>> > 
>> > But those folders go inside the user's home folder.
>> 
>> Only by default.
>> 
>> > If the Users folder is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of
>> > the user's home folder, they won't be protected by my user password.
>> 
>> Why not? You created them, you own them. What do you expect to do with 
>> your HDD, otherwise?

> Well, I was hoping to be able to put the Users folder on the HDD, and keep 
> all my documents there, with the OS and applications staying on the SSD.

That would nearly completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD.

-- 
Beware of the Leopard!

In article <slrnjuhobo.ek4.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <michelle-E497F1.13230925062012@news.eternal-september.org> 
>   Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <timstreater-1E2668.17571625062012@news.individual.net>,
> >  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> >> > > Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and 
> >> > > so 
> >> > > on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things 
> >> > > up.
> >> > 
> >> > But those folders go inside the user's home folder.
> >> 
> >> Only by default.
> >> 
> >> > If the Users folder is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of
> >> > the user's home folder, they won't be protected by my user password.
> >> 
> >> Why not? You created them, you own them. What do you expect to do with 
> >> your HDD, otherwise?
> 
> > Well, I was hoping to be able to put the Users folder on the HDD, and keep 
> > all my documents there, with the OS and applications staying on the SSD.
> 
> That would nearly completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD.

Hardly, though the advantage would be decreased. Booting is *much* 
faster when the OS resides on an SSD, and lots of OS operations that hit 
the SSD are also much faster.

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In message <jollyroger-7757FF.15203225062012@news.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjuhobo.ek4.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <michelle-E497F1.13230925062012@news.eternal-september.org> 
>>   Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> > In article <timstreater-1E2668.17571625062012@news.individual.net>,
>> >  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >> > > Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and 
>> >> > > so 
>> >> > > on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things 
>> >> > > up.
>> >> > 
>> >> > But those folders go inside the user's home folder.
>> >> 
>> >> Only by default.
>> >> 
>> >> > If the Users folder is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of
>> >> > the user's home folder, they won't be protected by my user password.
>> >> 
>> >> Why not? You created them, you own them. What do you expect to do with 
>> >> your HDD, otherwise?
>> 
>> > Well, I was hoping to be able to put the Users folder on the HDD, and keep 
>> > all my documents there, with the OS and applications staying on the SSD.
>> 
>> That would nearly completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD.

> Hardly, though the advantage would be decreased. Booting is *much* 
> faster when the OS resides on an SSD, and lots of OS operations that hit 
> the SSD are also much faster.

Booting would slow down as the system spun up the hard drive to log you
in. Trust me, it is a very noticeable difference when I login to my
MacPro on my main account (SSD) and my admin account (Hard drive), even
thought he system is on the SSD in both cases.

-- 
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In article <slrnjuhobo.ek4.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > Well, I was hoping to be able to put the Users folder on the HDD, and keep 
> > all my documents there, with the OS and applications staying on the SSD.
> 
> That would nearly completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD.

Um, the drive would startup, and the apps would launch, much faster than on 
an SSD, so how would I eliminate the advantage of the SSD?

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People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

In article <slrnjuhrkk.ek4.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-7757FF.15203225062012@news.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjuhobo.ek4.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> In message <michelle-E497F1.13230925062012@news.eternal-september.org> 
> >>   Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >> > In article <timstreater-1E2668.17571625062012@news.individual.net>,
> >> >  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> > > Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos 
> >> >> > > and 
> >> >> > > so 
> >> >> > > on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things 
> >> >> > > up.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > But those folders go inside the user's home folder.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Only by default.
> >> >> 
> >> >> > If the Users folder is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of
> >> >> > the user's home folder, they won't be protected by my user password.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Why not? You created them, you own them. What do you expect to do with 
> >> >> your HDD, otherwise?
> >> 
> >> > Well, I was hoping to be able to put the Users folder on the HDD, and 
> >> > keep 
> >> > all my documents there, with the OS and applications staying on the SSD.
> >> 
> >> That would nearly completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD.
> 
> > Hardly, though the advantage would be decreased. Booting is *much* 
> > faster when the OS resides on an SSD, and lots of OS operations that hit 
> > the SSD are also much faster.
> 
> Booting would slow down as the system spun up the hard drive to log you
> in. Trust me, it is a very noticeable difference when I login to my
> MacPro on my main account (SSD) and my admin account (Hard drive), even
> thought he system is on the SSD in both cases.

My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is 
disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.

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In article <michelle-D20BEB.16233025062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <slrnjuhobo.ek4.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > > Well, I was hoping to be able to put the Users folder on the HDD, and 
> > > keep 
> > > all my documents there, with the OS and applications staying on the SSD.
> > 
> > That would nearly completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD.
> 
> Um, the drive would startup, and the apps would launch, much faster than on 
> an SSD, so how would I eliminate the advantage of the SSD?

You wouldn't. Most base OS and application operations would be 
significantly faster. It's just storing *everything* on the SSD would be 
even faster than that.

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In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is 
> disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.

Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.

I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no pause.

In article <slrnjui5o5.1ag.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is 
> > disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
> 
> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
> 
> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no pause.

It seems you've forgotten about the noticeable difference between 
storing the system and apps on an SSD versus a hard drive, or you never 
bothered to compare them in a situation where you could perceive a 
difference to begin with, or you simply weren't paying much attention 
when you made the switch. Regardless, there *is* a noticeable 
difference. 

I know this because I swapped my system drive from a hard drive to an 
SSD in my Mac Pro this past year. At first, I stored user data on a 
separate hard drive. There was a significant speed increase, most 
noticeable during boot and application launching. Later, when I got a 
larger SSD and stored my user data on the SSD, I noticed another big 
speed increase.

Again, there is a noticeable speed improvement storing the system and 
applications on an SSD and user account data on traditional hard drive 
storage. Nobody is arguing that storing user data on SSD isn't faster. 
That's a given.

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In article <jollyroger-99A497.17095425062012@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > Um, the drive would startup, and the apps would launch, much faster 
> > than on an SSD, so how would I eliminate the advantage of the SSD?
> 
> You wouldn't. Most base OS and application operations would be 
> significantly faster. It's just storing *everything* on the SSD would be 
> even faster than that.

That's the reason I'm thinking of getting one with only an SSD if they 
offer one larger than 256G in the next model of iMac.  I'm fairly confident 
they will because the 13" MBA and the MBP have a 512G SSD available; 
there's even a 768 GB SSD available for one model of the MBP with Retina 
Display.

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In article <michelle-5F5971.23004325062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-99A497.17095425062012@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Um, the drive would startup, and the apps would launch, much faster 
> > > than on an SSD, so how would I eliminate the advantage of the SSD?
> > 
> > You wouldn't. Most base OS and application operations would be 
> > significantly faster. It's just storing *everything* on the SSD would be 
> > even faster than that.
> 
> That's the reason I'm thinking of getting one with only an SSD if they 
> offer one larger than 256G in the next model of iMac.  I'm fairly confident 
> they will because the 13" MBA and the MBP have a 512G SSD available; 
> there's even a 768 GB SSD available for one model of the MBP with Retina 
> Display.

I put a 480 GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G in my Mac Pro and it's 
*screaming* fast. Highly recommended:

<http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/>

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:44:10 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> In article <-aSdnTSCYeZXDHXSnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so
>> on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.
> 
> But those folders go inside the user's home folder.  If the Users folder
> is on the SSD and I I move those folders out of the user's home folder,
> they won't be protected by my user password.

That's not true.  You can create a directory on another drive and make it 
owned by your user account, provided that you set the "Allow file 
ownership" on that volume (in Disk Utility IIRC).

-- 
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:57:25 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net>
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is
>> disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
> 
> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
> 
> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no
> pause.

But you are only talking about loggin in.  I do that no more than once a 
day, even less if I leave my system on overnight,.

-- 
Paul Sture

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:55:16 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

> I bought the low end Mini (hence, these days, with an empty slot), and
> an SSD and extra memory from Crucial. Then I sent it all off to be
> installed by a professional outfit and so now have a decent speed
> machine. Cheaper than buying a config with SSD from the Apple Store.

The idea of sending a system off to be installed made me have a double 
take there.

But when I think about all the traipsing about I needed to do to get the 
right cables and connectors the last time I did a major upgrade (OK, this 
was a PC not a Mac), paying a pro who has all that stuff to hand makes a 
lot of sense.

-- 
Paul Sture

On 6/25/12 11:57 AM, in article
t8GdnUQCxcbABXXSnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@giganews.com, "Alan Browne"
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-06-25 12:44 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> In article <-aSdnTSCYeZXDHXSnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Relegate HDD to large file collections, databases, music, photos and so
>>> on.  Though edits (photos) could be done on the SSD to speed things up.
>> 
>> But those folders go inside the user's home folder.  If the Users folder is
>> on the SSD and I I move those folders out of the user's home folder, they
>> won't be protected by my user password.
> 
> If you follow the Apple OS X "preset" structure for music, photos,
> documents, then yes.
> 
> But you certainly don't have to and I don't know of an application that
> won't access files outside the defaults/presets (not entirely sure about
> iTunes).
> 
> For example, my photos are (99.99%) within:
> 
>             ~/documents/photography/photographs
> 
> rather than in
> 
>             ~/Pictures
> 
> And those phots could indeed be on a separate drive such as
> 
>             /volumes/drobo/photos
> 
>      if desired.


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In article <g0qob9-7d1.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:55:16 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:
> 
> > I bought the low end Mini (hence, these days, with an empty slot), and
> > an SSD and extra memory from Crucial. Then I sent it all off to be
> > installed by a professional outfit and so now have a decent speed
> > machine. Cheaper than buying a config with SSD from the Apple Store.
> 
> The idea of sending a system off to be installed made me have a double 
> take there.
> 
> But when I think about all the traipsing about I needed to do to get the 
> right cables and connectors the last time I did a major upgrade (OK, this 
> was a PC not a Mac), paying a pro who has all that stuff to hand makes a 
> lot of sense.

I could have bought the parts off them, but I didn't fancy having to do 
a complete teardown of a mid-2011 Mini. Don't have the tools, for one 
thing.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

In message <jollyroger-D5D84F.22035225062012@news.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjui5o5.1ag.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is 
>> > disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
>> 
>> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
>> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
>> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
>> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
>> 
>> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
>> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
>> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no pause.

> It seems you've forgotten about the noticeable difference between 
> storing the system and apps on an SSD versus a hard drive,

No, I didn't forget that. As I said, I have a system that boots off an
SSD and has my account on the SSD. When I login to the admin account
stored on the Hard Drive, I notice that it takes considerably longer to
login. I also notice that the admin account is slower overall. That's
all I said.

> I know this because I swapped my system drive from a hard drive to an 
> SSD in my Mac Pro this past year. At first, I stored user data on a 
> separate hard drive. There was a significant speed increase, most 
> noticeable during boot and application launching. Later, when I got a 
> larger SSD and stored my user data on the SSD, I noticed another big 
> speed increase.

So you agree, storing the user data on the hard drive has a noticeable
impact on the speed. That's all I said.

> Again, there is a noticeable speed improvement storing the system and 
> applications on an SSD and user account data on traditional hard drive 
> storage. Nobody is arguing that storing user data on SSD isn't faster. 
> That's a given.

All I was saying is that you lose a lot of speed storing user data on a
hard drive, even if everything else is on an SSD.


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In message <alpob9-7d1.ln1@news.sture.ch> 
  Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:57:25 +0000, Lewis wrote:

>> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net>
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is
>>> disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
>> 
>> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
>> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
>> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
>> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
>> 
>> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
>> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
>> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no
>> pause.

> But you are only talking about loggin in.  I do that no more than once a 
> day, even less if I leave my system on overnight,.

Logging in is where it is most obviously noticeable, but no, overall the
admin account is slower at launching apps (and quitting them as well)
than the non-admin account. I don't read email on the admin account, but
that would be basically at the same speed as a HD boot since all the
email data would be on the HD.

Installing an SSD for just the system and apps is not going to give you
the full "SSD experience" if you then put your user account on a HD. You
may even be thinking, "meh, what's the big deal? It not that much
faster," so get an SSD that can hold your $HOME even if it means that
you put things like your iTunes Library on a HD to make room.

Now, JR has a 6Gbps SSD in his MacPro, so he must have it on a SATA III
card instead of the internal 3Gbps SATA II controllers, so he is seeing
an even larger speed jump than I since I do not have a 6Gbps controller
(Or MacTracker is wrong about all the MacPros having 3Gbps controllers).

-- 
"We're philosophers. We think, therefore we am."

In article <slrnjujin6.24oo.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <alpob9-7d1.ln1@news.sture.ch> 
>   Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:
> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:57:25 +0000, Lewis wrote:
> 
> >> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net>
> >>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>> My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is
> >>> disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
> >> 
> >> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
> >> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
> >> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
> >> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
> >> 
> >> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
> >> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
> >> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no
> >> pause.
> 
> > But you are only talking about loggin in.  I do that no more than once a 
> > day, even less if I leave my system on overnight,.
> 
> Logging in is where it is most obviously noticeable, but no, overall the
> admin account is slower at launching apps (and quitting them as well)
> than the non-admin account.

Nobody is arguing that storing user data on a hard drive is just as fast 
as storing it on SSD. Of course storing user data on an SSD is much 
faster. But your suggestion that if you don't store user data on the 
SSD, it's not worth getting an SSD is silly to me, because there is a 
noticeable improvement in speed even without user data being stored on 
the SSD.

> Installing an SSD for just the system and apps is not going to give you
> the full "SSD experience" if you then put your user account on a HD.

And nobody is arguing that.

> Now, JR has a 6Gbps SSD in his MacPro, so he must have it on a SATA III
> card instead of the internal 3Gbps SATA II controllers, so he is seeing
> an even larger speed jump than I since I do not have a 6Gbps controller
> (Or MacTracker is wrong about all the MacPros having 3Gbps controllers).

I could hang it off a SATA III card; but as it stands, it's plenty fast 
enough using the built-in controller. I'm just not seeing the full 
benefit of the 6Gbps speed. No biggie.

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In article <slrnjuji03.24oo.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-D5D84F.22035225062012@news.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjui5o5.1ag.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net> 
> >>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> > My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is 
> >> > disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
> >> 
> >> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
> >> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
> >> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
> >> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
> >> 
> >> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
> >> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
> >> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no pause.
> 
> > It seems you've forgotten about the noticeable difference between 
> > storing the system and apps on an SSD versus a hard drive,
> 
> No, I didn't forget that. As I said, I have a system that boots off an
> SSD and has my account on the SSD. When I login to the admin account
> stored on the Hard Drive, I notice that it takes considerably longer to
> login. I also notice that the admin account is slower overall. That's
> all I said.

Actually, you said storing user data on a hard drive "would nearly 
completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD", which is wrong, 
considering how much faster boot times and application launches are. 
That's the only point I'm arguing here.

> > I know this because I swapped my system drive from a hard drive to an 
> > SSD in my Mac Pro this past year. At first, I stored user data on a 
> > separate hard drive. There was a significant speed increase, most 
> > noticeable during boot and application launching. Later, when I got a 
> > larger SSD and stored my user data on the SSD, I noticed another big 
> > speed increase.
> 
> So you agree, storing the user data on the hard drive has a noticeable
> impact on the speed. That's all I said.

Yes, of course I agree, and no, that's not all you said. 

> > Again, there is a noticeable speed improvement storing the system and 
> > applications on an SSD and user account data on traditional hard drive 
> > storage. Nobody is arguing that storing user data on SSD isn't faster. 
> > That's a given.
> 
> All I was saying is that you lose a lot of speed storing user data on a
> hard drive, even if everything else is on an SSD.

Yep, that's true.

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In article <jollyroger-314028.23092425062012@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > That's the reason I'm thinking of getting one with only an SSD if they 
> > offer one larger than 256G in the next model of iMac.  I'm fairly 
> > confident they will because the 13" MBA and the MBP have a 512G SSD 
> > available; there's even a 768 GB SSD available for one model of the 
> > MBP with Retina Display.
> 
> I put a 480 GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G in my Mac Pro and it's 
> *screaming* fast. Highly recommended:
> 
> <http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/>

Not an option for me, though; I'll be getting an iMac.

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In article <michelle-8AC7C7.10070726062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-314028.23092425062012@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > > That's the reason I'm thinking of getting one with only an SSD if they 
> > > offer one larger than 256G in the next model of iMac.  I'm fairly 
> > > confident they will because the 13" MBA and the MBP have a 512G SSD 
> > > available; there's even a 768 GB SSD available for one model of the 
> > > MBP with Retina Display.
> > 
> > I put a 480 GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G in my Mac Pro and it's 
> > *screaming* fast. Highly recommended:
> > 
> > <http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/>
> 
> Not an option for me, though; I'll be getting an iMac.

Well you could certainly install one yourself after purchasing an iMac, 
if you don't mind going off warranty. Otherwise, if you can afford it, 
it's probably best to build the iMac to order with an SSD in it.

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On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:44:54 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> Logging in is where it is most obviously noticeable, but no, overall the
> admin account is slower at launching apps (and quitting them as well)
> than the non-admin account. I don't read email on the admin account, but
> that would be basically at the same speed as a HD boot since all the
> email data would be on the HD.
> 
> Installing an SSD for just the system and apps is not going to give you
> the full "SSD experience" if you then put your user account on a HD. You
> may even be thinking, "meh, what's the big deal? It not that much
> faster,"
> so get an SSD that can hold your $HOME even if it means that you put
> things like your iTunes Library on a HD to make room.

Well I don't have any SSDs here, but I _can_ see a difference in 
performance when I spread stuff across spindles.  This is particularly 
noticeable when I run virtual clients - a Windows installation for 
example is very much faster when the DVD image is on a different spindle 
from the virtual disk it is writing to.

> Now, JR has a 6Gbps SSD in his MacPro, so he must have it on a SATA III
> card instead of the internal 3Gbps SATA II controllers, so he is seeing
> an even larger speed jump than I since I do not have a 6Gbps controller
> (Or MacTracker is wrong about all the MacPros having 3Gbps controllers).

If I could find a way of making a living out of my Mac I'd be doing what 
JR is too.  I've spent thousands on home systems before but as I get 
older I'd rather see that money going into savings / pension / whatever.

-- 
Paul Sture

In message <jollyroger-A8E46B.08562526062012@news.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnjuji03.24oo.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <jollyroger-D5D84F.22035225062012@news.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > In article <slrnjui5o5.1ag.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
>> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> 
>> >> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net> 
>> >>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> > My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is 
>> >> > disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
>> >> 
>> >> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
>> >> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
>> >> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
>> >> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
>> >> 
>> >> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
>> >> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
>> >> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no pause.
>> 
>> > It seems you've forgotten about the noticeable difference between 
>> > storing the system and apps on an SSD versus a hard drive,
>> 
>> No, I didn't forget that. As I said, I have a system that boots off an
>> SSD and has my account on the SSD. When I login to the admin account
>> stored on the Hard Drive, I notice that it takes considerably longer to
>> login. I also notice that the admin account is slower overall. That's
>> all I said.

> Actually, you said storing user data on a hard drive "would nearly 
> completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD", which is wrong, 

Fine. I exaggerated slightly for effect. It certainly FEELS that way
when logging in to the admin account.

> considering how much faster boot times and application launches are. 
> That's the only point I'm arguing here.

What sort of 6Gbps controller do you have in your MacPro? I am
considering moving my 240GB 3Gbps SSD to my MacBookPro, leaving a path
clear to get a faster SSD in the MacPro (and a larger one, of course).

I was looking at
<http://www.datamemorysystems.com/_memory-information/PSSDS24806.asp>
earlier. There is also a Sync version that is considerably more
expensive.

• Sequential Read @128K: up to 540MB/s
• Sequential Write @128K: upto 450MB/s 
• Random Read IOPS @ 4K blocks: up to 50K 
• Random Write IOPS @ 4K blocks: up to 50K

I think the one I have right now is the OWC 240GB
<http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDEX3G240/>


-- 
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truck/You stretch the frozen moments with your fear

In article <jollyroger-EA43D3.10112526062012@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > > I put a 480 GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G in my Mac Pro and it's 
> > > *screaming* fast. Highly recommended:
> > > 
> > > <http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/>
> > 
> > Not an option for me, though; I'll be getting an iMac.
> 
> Well you could certainly install one yourself after purchasing an iMac, 
> if you don't mind going off warranty. Otherwise, if you can afford it, 
> it's probably best to build the iMac to order with an SSD in it.

The latter is what I plan to do.  I have a friend who can get me a 
substantial discount on a Mac.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

In article <michelle-8D0153.11383326062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-EA43D3.10112526062012@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > I put a 480 GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G in my Mac Pro and it's 
> > > > *screaming* fast. Highly recommended:
> > > > 
> > > > <http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/>
> > > 
> > > Not an option for me, though; I'll be getting an iMac.
> > 
> > Well you could certainly install one yourself after purchasing an iMac, 
> > if you don't mind going off warranty. Otherwise, if you can afford it, 
> > it's probably best to build the iMac to order with an SSD in it.
> 
> The latter is what I plan to do.  I have a friend who can get me a 
> substantial discount on a Mac.

Those are good friends to keep around. : ) Where I am living now, I get 
an 8% corporate discount and I pay no sales tax. That's 16% less than I 
was paying when I lived in Texas!

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In article <slrnjujsj7.24oo.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-A8E46B.08562526062012@news.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnjuji03.24oo.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> In message <jollyroger-D5D84F.22035225062012@news.individual.net> 
> >>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <slrnjui5o5.1ag.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
> >> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net> 
> >> >>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >> > My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" 
> >> >> > is 
> >> >> > disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin 
> >> >> account
> >> >> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
> >> >> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
> >> >> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny 
> >> >> disk.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
> >> >> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
> >> >> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no 
> >> >> pause.
> >> 
> >> > It seems you've forgotten about the noticeable difference between 
> >> > storing the system and apps on an SSD versus a hard drive,
> >> 
> >> No, I didn't forget that. As I said, I have a system that boots off an
> >> SSD and has my account on the SSD. When I login to the admin account
> >> stored on the Hard Drive, I notice that it takes considerably longer to
> >> login. I also notice that the admin account is slower overall. That's
> >> all I said.
> 
> > Actually, you said storing user data on a hard drive "would nearly 
> > completely eliminate the advantage of your SSD", which is wrong, 
> 
> Fine. I exaggerated slightly for effect. It certainly FEELS that way
> when logging in to the admin account.
> 
> > considering how much faster boot times and application launches are. 
> > That's the only point I'm arguing here.
> 
> What sort of 6Gbps controller do you have in your MacPro? I am
> considering moving my 240GB 3Gbps SSD to my MacBookPro, leaving a path
> clear to get a faster SSD in the MacPro (and a larger one, of course).

I'm using the built-in controller with a Mercury Electra 6G SSD at the 
moment. It's plenty fast for my work (software development etc.). If I 
needed more speed, I'll start looking at SATA III; but this is fine for 
me right now.

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In article <s38pb9-7d1.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:44:54 +0000, Lewis wrote:
> 
> > Logging in is where it is most obviously noticeable, but no, overall the
> > admin account is slower at launching apps (and quitting them as well)
> > than the non-admin account. I don't read email on the admin account, but
> > that would be basically at the same speed as a HD boot since all the
> > email data would be on the HD.
> > 
> > Installing an SSD for just the system and apps is not going to give you
> > the full "SSD experience" if you then put your user account on a HD. You
> > may even be thinking, "meh, what's the big deal? It not that much
> > faster,"
> > so get an SSD that can hold your $HOME even if it means that you put
> > things like your iTunes Library on a HD to make room.
> 
> Well I don't have any SSDs here, but I _can_ see a difference in 
> performance when I spread stuff across spindles.  This is particularly 
> noticeable when I run virtual clients - a Windows installation for 
> example is very much faster when the DVD image is on a different spindle 
> from the virtual disk it is writing to.
> 
> > Now, JR has a 6Gbps SSD in his MacPro, so he must have it on a SATA III
> > card instead of the internal 3Gbps SATA II controllers, so he is seeing
> > an even larger speed jump than I since I do not have a 6Gbps controller
> > (Or MacTracker is wrong about all the MacPros having 3Gbps controllers).
> 
> If I could find a way of making a living out of my Mac I'd be doing what 
> JR is too.  I've spent thousands on home systems before but as I get 
> older I'd rather see that money going into savings / pension / whatever.

Understandable. I work remotely from home, so I can justify the expense.

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In article <jollyroger-F3DFFF.11565126062012@news.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > The latter is what I plan to do.  I have a friend who can get me a 
> > substantial discount on a Mac.
> 
> Those are good friends to keep around. : ) Where I am living now, I get 
> an 8% corporate discount and I pay no sales tax. That's 16% less than I 
> was paying when I lived in Texas!

When did you leave Texas?

So you're in Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, or Oregon, right?

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In article <michelle-27D77F.13172626062012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-F3DFFF.11565126062012@news.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > > The latter is what I plan to do.  I have a friend who can get me a 
> > > substantial discount on a Mac.
> > 
> > Those are good friends to keep around. : ) Where I am living now, I get 
> > an 8% corporate discount and I pay no sales tax. That's 16% less than I 
> > was paying when I lived in Texas!
> 
> When did you leave Texas?

As soon as I could, trust me.  : )

> So you're in Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, or Oregon, right?

Yep.

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On 2012-06-26 13:22:18 +0000, Paul Sture said:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:57:25 +0000, Lewis wrote:
> 
>> In message <jollyroger-9DF85E.17070725062012@news.individual.net>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> My point is stating it "nearly completely eliminates the advantage" is
>>> disingenuous, since there is still a big advantage.
>> 
>> Really, it sure doesn't feel like it. When booted into the admin account
>> I don't see any of the zippiness that I see with my normal account. I
>> think so much is written and read from the user account space all the
>> time that you really are giving up a lot putting $HOME on a spinny disk.
>> 
>> I haven't done benchmarks, but I do hear the hard drive spin up during
>> the boot and the system waits and then the desktop appears and apps
>> start launching. Off the SDD the HD doesn't spin up and there's no
>> pause.
> 
> But you are only talking about loggin in.  I do that no more than once a
> day, even less if I leave my system on overnight,.

It won't affect just login, though.  Even if the apps and documents you 
are working on live on the SSD, if your home directory is on the HDD, 
it's going to spin up and down that HDD regularly every time your apps 
access their prefs files, too.  And chances are that if you've set your 
home dir on the HDD, most of your documents are likely to be there, too.

I've no doubt that a boot-drive SSD with user directories on an HDD is 
going to feel a lot zippier than an all HDD setup.  But I'd expect it 
to be quite a bit slower than an all SSD setup.  It might be a good 
compromise, but I'd be more inclined to try to get everything I could 
onto the SSD except for, perhaps, massive files that you don't need 
access to all the time (ie. video) and backups (only spin up the HDD 
when Time Machine runs, for example).

On 2012-06-25 16:25 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <t8GdnUQCxcbABXXSnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> For example, my photos are (99.99%) within:
>>
>>              ~/documents/photography/photographs
>>
>> rather than in
>>
>>              ~/Pictures
>
> Both of those are in your Home folder, though.

They can be put anywhere.

>
>> And those phots could indeed be on a separate drive such as
>>
>>              /volumes/drobo/photos
>
> And therefore accessible from any user account on the computer, right?

See "permissions".

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On 2012-06-25 16:24 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <1uqdnY7Lm6DoB3XSnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I forgot to address the password / owner issue.
>>
>> I'd add to that that you can use the FileVault feature as well for both
>> the 2nd internal volume and external volumes.
>
> How would that affect other users?

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4790 - 2nd para


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On 2012-06-26 02:09 , Jolly Roger wrote:

> I put a 480 GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G in my Mac Pro and it's
> *screaming* fast. Highly recommended:
>
> <http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_6G/>

That would really boost my iMac...

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In message <jollyroger-B32E3A.12081526062012@news.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I'm using the built-in controller with a Mercury Electra 6G SSD at the 
> moment. It's plenty fast for my work (software development etc.). If I 
> needed more speed, I'll start looking at SATA III; but this is fine for 
> me right now.

Is it faster than the 3G then? The peak speed of the 3G drives seem to
be right under 3Gbsps, so I sort of assumed there was no reason to get a
6G drive.

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speed equal gallop. --Pyramids

In article <slrnjukfh4.cgl.g.kreme@krismbp.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <jollyroger-B32E3A.12081526062012@news.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm using the built-in controller with a Mercury Electra 6G SSD at the 
> > moment. It's plenty fast for my work (software development etc.). If I 
> > needed more speed, I'll start looking at SATA III; but this is fine for 
> > me right now.
> 
> Is it faster than the 3G then?

Not significantly, as far as I can tell, Then again, I haven't bothered 
benchmarking it, since it is performing well within my expectations as 
it is now. I'm very satisfied with the speed. If and when I become 
dissatisfied, I may look into purchasing a faster controller for it. 
Until then, I'm happy.

> The peak speed of the 3G drives seem to
> be right under 3Gbsps, so I sort of assumed there was no reason to get a
> 6G drive.

There is plenty reason if you want to allow yourself the option of 
putting it on a faster controller. I fit that description.

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On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:09:30 -0700, Jolly Roger wrote:

> In article <s38pb9-7d1.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> wrote:
> 
>> If I could find a way of making a living out of my Mac I'd be doing
>> what JR is too.  I've spent thousands on home systems before but as I
>> get older I'd rather see that money going into savings / pension /
>> whatever.
> 
> Understandable. I work remotely from home, so I can justify the expense.

Yes indeed.  I can recall how expensive commuting could be.

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In article <9ifrb9-7d1.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:09:30 -0700, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
> > In article <s38pb9-7d1.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> If I could find a way of making a living out of my Mac I'd be doing
> >> what JR is too.  I've spent thousands on home systems before but as I
> >> get older I'd rather see that money going into savings / pension /
> >> whatever.
> > 
> > Understandable. I work remotely from home, so I can justify the expense.
> 
> Yes indeed.  I can recall how expensive commuting could be.

Back in Austin, it was a 52-mile drive round trip to the fab facility. 
Luckily I only had to go there 1-4 times a month; but it definitely adds 
up!

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In article <timstreater-B987F1.15080426062012@news.individual.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> I could have bought the parts off them, but I didn't fancy having to do 
> a complete teardown of a mid-2011 Mini. Don't have the tools, for one 
> thing.

OWC sells all the tools to convert a mid-2011 Mini to SSD and shows a 
detailed video on their website on how to do it. The tools 
<http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/TOOLKIT11/> are reasonably 
priced. I have the double my RAM upgrade for my Mini. I have the  240 Gb 
SSD. I have the tools. I have an iPad to watch the video on while the 
Mini is out of service for an hour.
Do I have the skill? We'll see in about a week. Everything appears 
straightforward. I'm using about 1/6 of my original HD right now. I can 
live with 1/3 of it with this particular high benefit downgrade. 

leo