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Top 10 paid Mac apps

Through the Mac App Store:

1.  OS X Mountain Lion
2.  Pages
3.  1Password
4.  Keynote
5.  Numbers
6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
7.  iPhoto
8.  Duplicate Detective
9.  Disk Doctor
10. Live Wallpaper

I don't understand #6; I have FaceTime 2.0 installed on my computer; it was 
released in July of last year. And of course, it is free with Lion or 
later.  So why is it so high among the paid apps?

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In article <michelle-13237C.20292805102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Through the Mac App Store:
> 
> 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
> 2.  Pages
> 3.  1Password
> 4.  Keynote
> 5.  Numbers
> 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
> 7.  iPhoto
> 8.  Duplicate Detective
> 9.  Disk Doctor
> 10. Live Wallpaper
> 
> I don't understand #6; I have FaceTime 2.0 installed on my computer; it was 
> released in July of last year. And of course, it is free with Lion or 
> later.  So why is it so high among the paid apps?

Because that older version will run under Snow Leopard?

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chrispam11 (15)
10/6/2013 5:55:21 AM
In article <chrispam1-754C91.22552105102013@newsfeed.aioe.org>, Chris
Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
> In article <michelle-13237C.20292805102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > Through the Mac App Store:
> > 
> > 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
> > 2.  Pages
> > 3.  1Password
> > 4.  Keynote
> > 5.  Numbers
> > 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
> > 7.  iPhoto
> > 8.  Duplicate Detective
> > 9.  Disk Doctor
> > 10. Live Wallpaper
> > 
> > I don't understand #6; I have FaceTime 2.0 installed on my computer; it was 
> > released in July of last year. And of course, it is free with Lion or 
> > later.  So why is it so high among the paid apps?
> 
> Because that older version will run under Snow Leopard?

Not sure Mountain Lion really counts as an "app" ... it's more a
collection of "apps".

Pages, Keynote, and Numbers I can understand to some degree, matbe even
FaceTime and iPhotot (paid apps??), but the rest is pretty much
over-hyped rubbish.
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yourname3 (804)
10/6/2013 7:00:46 AM
On 2013.10.05 23:29 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> Through the Mac App Store:
>
> 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
> 2.  Pages
> 3.  1Password
> 4.  Keynote
> 5.  Numbers
> 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
> 7.  iPhoto
> 8.  Duplicate Detective
> 9.  Disk Doctor
> 10. Live Wallpaper

Not sure why OS X is on the Mac App list.

I have 4 of those, but 3 were bought in 2008 (Pages/Keynote/Numbers etc.)

iPhoto is trash.

I might get Duplicate Detector.  One day.  Maybe.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/6/2013 12:24:37 PM
On 2013.10.05 23:29 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> Through the Mac App Store:
>
> 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
> 2.  Pages
> 3.  1Password
> 4.  Keynote
> 5.  Numbers
> 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
> 7.  iPhoto
> 8.  Duplicate Detective
> 9.  Disk Doctor
> 10. Live Wallpaper

Not sure why OS X is on the list.  Just to brag, I guess.

I have 4 of those, but 3 were bought in 2008 (Pages/Keynote/Numbers) not 
via the app store.

I might get Duplicate Detector.  One day.  Maybe.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/6/2013 12:28:17 PM
In article <chrispam1-754C91.22552105102013@newsfeed.aioe.org>,
 Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:

> > I don't understand #6; I have FaceTime 2.0 installed on my computer; 
> > it was released in July of last year. And of course, it is free with 
> > Lion or later.  So why is it so high among the paid apps?
> 
> Because that older version will run under Snow Leopard?

How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
ago.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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michelle14 (19004)
10/6/2013 3:23:11 PM
In article <michelle-A309DD.08231106102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <chrispam1-754C91.22552105102013@newsfeed.aioe.org>,
>  Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
> 
> > > I don't understand #6; I have FaceTime 2.0 installed on my computer; 
> > > it was released in July of last year. And of course, it is free with 
> > > Lion or later.  So why is it so high among the paid apps?
> > 
> > Because that older version will run under Snow Leopard?
> 
> How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
> people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
> ago.

I communicate regularly with a colleague who's running an iMac that's 
still on 10.6. She bought Facetime and all I had to do was click on her 
email address in my Address Book on my MacBook Pro.  Facetime connected 
us with little or no trouble.

-- 
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vilain2 (2188)
10/6/2013 4:49:28 PM
In article <-JWdnaBClJ6YyszPnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> > Through the Mac App Store:
> >
> > 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
> > 2.  Pages
> > 3.  1Password
> > 4.  Keynote
> > 5.  Numbers
> > 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
> > 7.  iPhoto
> > 8.  Duplicate Detective
> > 9.  Disk Doctor
> > 10. Live Wallpaper
> 
> Not sure why OS X is on the Mac App list.

it's just another item in the store.

they aren't special casing it because it's not really 'an app'. 

> I have 4 of those, but 3 were bought in 2008 (Pages/Keynote/Numbers etc.)
> 
> iPhoto is trash.

it is, but there's no other way to sync and organize photos on an
iphone/ipad. 

i use lightroom and then export desired photos to be imported to iphoto
which are then synced to a device. that's all iphoto is good for. 

there's no way to sync directly from lightroom or any other app (except
aperture), so i have to use iphoto.

if apple ever adds the ability to sync directly from lightroom's
library, i could cease using iphoto forever. however, that's not likely
to happen.
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nospam59 (11088)
10/6/2013 5:05:23 PM
On 13-10-06 08:28, Alan Browne wrote:

> Not sure why OS X is on the list.  Just to brag, I guess.


From the store's point of view, isn't OS-X treated as an application
that is sold and then transfered to the customer just like any other
application (excpect I guess it is unpacked differently once at
customer's computer)
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10/6/2013 7:32:26 PM
On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
> people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
> ago.

Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).



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10/6/2013 7:42:53 PM
On 2013.10.06 15:32 , JF Mezei wrote:
> On 13-10-06 08:28, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Not sure why OS X is on the list.  Just to brag, I guess.
>
>
>  From the store's point of view, isn't OS-X treated as an application
> that is sold and then transfered to the customer just like any other
> application (excpect I guess it is unpacked differently once at
> customer's computer)

I'm just don't consider an OS distro to be an app (yes, OS distros come 
with many apps that are usually "middleware" and some that are truly 
app-ish).

I guess it's the times.  It used to be a very big deal when an OS vendor 
released a new major version.  It's becoming less and less onerous to 
get the OS updates, less onerous to install, less onerous to "patch", 
etc. - due of course to the web.

Well - that's the OS X side - I really have no idea how easy or not it 
is with Windows - I recall updating WinXP service packs and it was tedious.

Last times I updated Linux it was very easy as well (and that's been a 
few years).

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/6/2013 7:58:25 PM
In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought 
> > that people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought 
> > it years ago.
> 
> Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about 
> 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).

<http://www.ipadnews.nl/tag/lion/>; North America only, as of Sept 9, 2013, 
6 PM EST.

10.8   34% (Mountain Lion)
10.7   23% (Lion)
10.6   32% (Snow Leopard)
10.5   10% (Leopard)
10.4  1.7% (Tiger)
10.9  0.2%
Unk.  0.1%

I assume that this is based on an analysis of web connections; otherwise, I 
doubt that 10.9 would be listed at all.

But my question still remains:  Wouldn't those people running Snow Leopard 
who wanted FaceTime have got it long ago?  So why is it still the 
sixth-most downloaded free app on the Mac App Store?

-- 
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michelle14 (19004)
10/6/2013 8:20:20 PM
In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> 
> > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
> > people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
> > ago.
> 
> Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
> 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).

Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?

For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill 
developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
keying to where machines can read it.

-- 

Sam

Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
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SalmonEgg (705)
10/6/2013 8:56:17 PM
On 2013.10.06 16:56 , Salmon Egg wrote:
> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that
>>> people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years
>>> ago.
>>
>> Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
>> 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
>
> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
>
> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the
> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill
> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that
> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading
> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse
> keying to where machines can read it.

..-- .... .. .-.. . / .- / .--- .- -.-- / .-.. . -. --- / -.. . -- --- / 
--- ..-. / -- --- .-. ... . / -- .. --. .... - / ... .... --- .-- / .... 
... --. .... . .-. / ... .--. . . -.. --..-- / .. - / -.- .. -. -.. .- / 
..-.. . ..-. - / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / -.. --- / -. . 
.. -.. / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .--. --- .-. - / - .... . / ... .. --. 
-. .- .-.. / ... --- -- . .... --- .-- / .- -. -.. / - .... .- - / -- 
--- .-. ... . / -.- . -.-- .. -. --. / .- -. -.. / .-..-. .-.. .. ... - 
.. -. .. -. --. .-..-. / .- .-. . / .... .- .-. -.. / - --- / .- -.-. 
--.- ..- .. .-. . / ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .-.-.- / - .-- .. - - . .-. 
/ .-.. . .- ...- . ... / -- . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / -.-. --- .-.. -.. 
/ -....- / -... ..- - / .. - / --- -... ...- .. --- ..- ... .-.. -.-- / 
... ... / .- / .... .. - / .-- .. - .... / -- .- -. -.-- .-.-.- / - .... 
.. .-. . / .- .-. . / ... .. - . ... / - .... .- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. 
..- - . / -- --- .-. ... . / - --- / - . -..- - / .- -. -.. / -... .- 
-.-. -.- .-.-.-

You'll have to paste that into:
http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html



-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/6/2013 9:08:06 PM
On 13-10-06 17:08, Alan Browne wrote:

> .-- .... .. .-.. . / .- / .--- .- -.-- / .-.. . -. --- / -.. . -- --- / 
> --- ..-. / -- --- .-. ... . / -- .. --. .... - / ... .... --- .-- / .... 
> .. --. .... . .-. / ... .--. . . -.. --..-- / .. - / -.- .. -. -.. .- / 
> .-.. . ..-. - / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / -.. --- / -. . 
> . -.. / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .--. --- .-. - / - .... . / ... .. --. 
> -. .- .-.. / ... --- -- . .... --- .-- / .- -. -.. / - .... .- - / -- 
> --- .-. ... . / -.- . -.-- .. -. --. / .- -. -.. / .-..-. .-.. .. ... - 
> . -. .. -. --. .-..-. / .- .-. . / .... .- .-. -.. / - --- / .- -.-. 
> --.- ..- .. .-. . / ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .-.-.- / - .-- .. - - . .-. 
> / .-.. . .- ...- . ... / -- . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / -.-. --- .-.. -.. 
> / -....- / -... ..- - / .. - / --- -... ...- .. --- ..- ... .-.. -.-- / 
> .. ... / .- / .... .. - / .-- .. - .... / -- .- -. -.-- .-.-.- / - .... 
> . .-. . / .- .-. . / ... .. - . ... / - .... .- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. 
> .- - . / -- --- .-. ... . / - --- / - . -..- - / .- -. -.. / -... .- 
> -.-. -.- .-.-.-

The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)

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10/6/2013 9:22:01 PM
On 2013.10.06 17:22 , JF Mezei wrote:
> On 13-10-06 17:08, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> .-- .... .. .-.. . / .- / .--- .- -.-- / .-.. . -. --- / -.. . -- --- /
>> --- ..-. / -- --- .-. ... . / -- .. --. .... - / ... .... --- .-- / ....
>> .. --. .... . .-. / ... .--. . . -.. --..-- / .. - / -.- .. -. -.. .- /
>> .-.. . ..-. - / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / -.. --- / -. .
>> . -.. / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .--. --- .-. - / - .... . / ... .. --.
>> -. .- .-.. / ... --- -- . .... --- .-- / .- -. -.. / - .... .- - / --
>> --- .-. ... . / -.- . -.-- .. -. --. / .- -. -.. / .-..-. .-.. .. ... -
>> . -. .. -. --. .-..-. / .- .-. . / .... .- .-. -.. / - --- / .- -.-.
>> --.- ..- .. .-. . / ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .-.-.- / - .-- .. - - . .-.
>> / .-.. . .- ...- . ... / -- . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / -.-. --- .-.. -..
>> / -....- / -... ..- - / .. - / --- -... ...- .. --- ..- ... .-.. -.-- /
>> .. ... / .- / .... .. - / .-- .. - .... / -- .- -. -.-- .-.-.- / - ....
>> . .-. . / .- .-. . / ... .. - . ... / - .... .- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-..
>> .- - . / -- --- .-. ... . / - --- / - . -..- - / .- -. -.. / -... .-
>> -.-. -.- .-.-.-
>
> The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
> you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
> recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)

You might be on to something.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/6/2013 9:23:03 PM
In message <SalmonEgg-443FE1.13561706102013@news80.forteinc.com> 
  Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> 
>> > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
>> > people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
>> > ago.
>> 
>> Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
>> 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).

> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?

> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
> appeal of twitter?

It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking news
from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends with it.

-- 
"Last night - you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling
demon. You frightened me. - Do it again!"
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g.kreme (3671)
10/6/2013 10:23:39 PM
In article <slrnl53onb.q3a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking news 
> from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends with it.

I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the web, 
and applications to tweet as well.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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michelle14 (19004)
10/6/2013 10:58:37 PM
On 2013.10.06 18:58 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <slrnl53onb.q3a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
>   Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking news
>> from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends with it.
>
> I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the web,
> and applications to tweet as well.

Within that, tweeting would be insignificant additional bandwidth.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/6/2013 11:06:30 PM
In message <michelle-749ABE.15583706102013@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <slrnl53onb.q3a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking news 
>> from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends with it.

> I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the web, 
> and applications to tweet as well.

Well, I don't do facebook at all, and email is primarily business or
mailing lists, not personal stuff.

-- 
Evil is a little man afraid for his job.
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g.kreme (3671)
10/6/2013 11:37:57 PM
In article <SalmonEgg-443FE1.13561706102013@news80.forteinc.com>,
 Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> > On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > 
> > > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
> > > people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
> > > ago.
> > 
> > Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
> > 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
> 
> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
> 
> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill 
> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
> keying to where machines can read it.

I figure it's for folks that are so insecure that they require 
validation for every little thing they think or do, or for folks so 
egotistical they think others are interested in every little thing they 
think or do.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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tom_stiller (1288)
10/7/2013 12:42:02 AM
In article <0PudnaIonP2rTMzPnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.06 16:56 , Salmon Egg wrote:
> > In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
> >   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >>
> >>> How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that
> >>> people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years
> >>> ago.
> >>
> >> Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
> >> 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
> >
> > Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
> >
> > For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the
> > appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill
> > developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that
> > a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading
> > reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse
> > keying to where machines can read it.
> 
> .-- .... .. .-.. . / .- / .--- .- -.-- / .-.. . -. --- / -.. . -- --- / 
> --- ..-. / -- --- .-. ... . / -- .. --. .... - / ... .... --- .-- / .... 
> .. --. .... . .-. / ... .--. . . -.. --..-- / .. - / -.- .. -. -.. .- / 
> .-.. . ..-. - / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / -.. --- / -. . 
> . -.. / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .--. --- .-. - / - .... . / ... .. --. 
> -. .- .-.. / ... --- -- . .... --- .-- / .- -. -.. / - .... .- - / -- 
> --- .-. ... . / -.- . -.-- .. -. --. / .- -. -.. / .-..-. .-.. .. ... - 
> . -. .. -. --. .-..-. / .- .-. . / .... .- .-. -.. / - --- / .- -.-. 
> --.- ..- .. .-. . / ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .-.-.- / - .-- .. - - . .-. 
> / .-.. . .- ...- . ... / -- . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / -.-. --- .-.. -.. 
> / -....- / -... ..- - / .. - / --- -... ...- .. --- ..- ... .-.. -.-- / 
> .. ... / .- / .... .. - / .-- .. - .... / -- .- -. -.-- .-.-.- / - .... 
> . .-. . / .- .-. . / ... .. - . ... / - .... .- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. 
> .- - . / -- --- .-. ... . / - --- / - . -..- - / .- -. -.. / -... .- 
> -.-. -.- .-.-.-
> 
> You'll have to paste that into:
> http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html

Thanks but I use my own perl script.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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tom_stiller (1288)
10/7/2013 12:49:05 AM
On 2013.10.06 20:49 , Tom Stiller wrote:
> In article <0PudnaIonP2rTMzPnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.10.06 16:56 , Salmon Egg wrote:
>>> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that
>>>>> people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years
>>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
>>>> 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
>>>
>>> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
>>>
>>> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the
>>> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill
>>> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that
>>> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading
>>> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse
>>> keying to where machines can read it.
>>
>> .-- .... .. .-.. . / .- / .--- .- -.-- / .-.. . -. --- / -.. . -- --- /
>> --- ..-. / -- --- .-. ... . / -- .. --. .... - / ... .... --- .-- / ....
>> .. --. .... . .-. / ... .--. . . -.. --..-- / .. - / -.- .. -. -.. .- /
>> .-.. . ..-. - / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / -.. --- / -. .
>> . -.. / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .--. --- .-. - / - .... . / ... .. --.
>> -. .- .-.. / ... --- -- . .... --- .-- / .- -. -.. / - .... .- - / --
>> --- .-. ... . / -.- . -.-- .. -. --. / .- -. -.. / .-..-. .-.. .. ... -
>> . -. .. -. --. .-..-. / .- .-. . / .... .- .-. -.. / - --- / .- -.-.
>> --.- ..- .. .-. . / ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .-.-.- / - .-- .. - - . .-.
>> / .-.. . .- ...- . ... / -- . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / -.-. --- .-.. -..
>> / -....- / -... ..- - / .. - / --- -... ...- .. --- ..- ... .-.. -.-- /
>> .. ... / .- / .... .. - / .-- .. - .... / -- .- -. -.-- .-.-.- / - ....
>> . .-. . / .- .-. . / ... .. - . ... / - .... .- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-..
>> .- - . / -- --- .-. ... . / - --- / - . -..- - / .- -. -.. / -... .-
>> -.-. -.- .-.-.-
>>
>> You'll have to paste that into:
>> http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html
>
> Thanks but I use my own perl script.


... / .-- .- ... -. .----. - / .-. . .--. .-.. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / 
-.-- --- ..- .-.-.-


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/7/2013 12:57:21 AM
In article <5251d47a$0$61288$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-10-06 17:08, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
> > .-- .... .. .-.. . / .- / .--- .- -.-- / .-.. . -. --- / -.. . -- --- / 
> > --- ..-. / -- --- .-. ... . / -- .. --. .... - / ... .... --- .-- / .... 
> > .. --. .... . .-. / ... .--. . . -.. --..-- / .. - / -.- .. -. -.. .- / 
> > .-.. . ..-. - / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / -.. --- / -. . 
> > . -.. / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .--. --- .-. - / - .... . / ... .. --. 
> > -. .- .-.. / ... --- -- . .... --- .-- / .- -. -.. / - .... .- - / -- 
> > --- .-. ... . / -.- . -.-- .. -. --. / .- -. -.. / .-..-. .-.. .. ... - 
> > . -. .. -. --. .-..-. / .- .-. . / .... .- .-. -.. / - --- / .- -.-. 
> > --.- ..- .. .-. . / ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .-.-.- / - .-- .. - - . .-. 
> > / .-.. . .- ...- . ... / -- . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / -.-. --- .-.. -.. 
> > / -....- / -... ..- - / .. - / --- -... ...- .. --- ..- ... .-.. -.-- / 
> > .. ... / .- / .... .. - / .-- .. - .... / -- .- -. -.-- .-.-.- / - .... 
> > . .-. . / .- .-. . / ... .. - . ... / - .... .- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. 
> > .- - . / -- --- .-. ... . / - --- / - . -..- - / .- -. -.. / -... .- 
> > -.-. -.- .-.-.-
> 
> The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
> you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
> recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)

Or use steganographic techniques to encode the messages in cute pictures 
of kittens.

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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tom_stiller (1288)
10/7/2013 12:57:51 AM
In article <4NqdnW8eDtlsm8_PnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> .. / .-- .- ... -. .----. - / .-. . .--. .-.. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / 
> -.-- --- ..- .-.-.-


.... --- .-. .-. -.-- / .. .----. .-.. .-.. / -.-. .-.. --- ... . / -- 
-.-- / -.- . -.--

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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tom_stiller (1288)
10/7/2013 1:29:04 AM
In message <tom_stiller-795075.20420106102013@news.individual.net> 
  Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <SalmonEgg-443FE1.13561706102013@news80.forteinc.com>,
>  Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> > 
>> > > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
>> > > people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
>> > > ago.
>> > 
>> > Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
>> > 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
>> 
>> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
>> 
>> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
>> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill 
>> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
>> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
>> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
>> keying to where machines can read it.

> I figure it's for folks that are so insecure that they require 
> validation for every little thing they think or do, or for folks so 
> egotistical they think others are interested in every little thing they 
> think or do.

"Hey, this thing that a few hundred million people use and I know nothing
about? Yeah, I'm going to assume that all those people are narcissistic
morons because that fits in with my ignorant prejudice."

Says more about you than them. doesn't it?

-- 
A FIRE DRILL DOES NOT DEMAND A FIRE Bart chalkboard Ep. 4F16
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g.kreme (3671)
10/7/2013 1:55:14 AM
In article <tom_stiller-AFFB41.21290406102013@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > .. / .-- .- ... -. .----. - / .-. . .--. .-.. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / 
> > -.-- --- ..- .-.-.-
> 
> 
> ... --- .-. .-. -.-- / .. .----. .-.. .-.. / -.-. .-.. --- ... . / -- 
> -.-- / -.- . -.--

.... --- ...

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
0
michelle14 (19004)
10/7/2013 2:58:14 AM
In article <afadnUq7AdxrcczPnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.06 18:58 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > In article <slrnl53onb.q3a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
> >   Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking 
> >> news from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends 
> >> with it.
> >
> > I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the 
> > web, and applications to tweet as well.
> 
> Within that, tweeting would be insignificant additional bandwidth.

It's not bandwidth; it's time spent.

Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why it 
means that?

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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michelle14 (19004)
10/7/2013 3:00:13 AM
In article <michelle-8FE56B.20001306102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> > >> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking 
> > >> news from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends 
> > >> with it.
> > >
> > > I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the 
> > > web, and applications to tweet as well.
> > 
> > Within that, tweeting would be insignificant additional bandwidth.
> 
> It's not bandwidth; it's time spent.
> 
> Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why it 
> means that?

actually, ^8 or control-8 is not what you want.

what you want is ^H or control-H, which is the same as backspace and
whose ascii value is 8.
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nospam59 (11088)
10/7/2013 3:31:38 AM
In article <061020132331389843%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <michelle-8FE56B.20001306102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > > >> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking 
> > > >> news from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends 
> > > >> with it.
> > > >
> > > > I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the 
> > > > web, and applications to tweet as well.
> > > 
> > > Within that, tweeting would be insignificant additional bandwidth.
> > 
> > It's not bandwidth; it's time spent.
> > 
> > Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why it 
> > means that?
> 
> actually, ^8 or control-8 is not what you want.
> 
> what you want is ^H or control-H, which is the same as backspace and
> whose ascii value is 8.

Precisely my thought. Now get outta my head - it's only zoned for one 
occupant!

-- 
Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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dakidd (783)
10/7/2013 4:01:14 AM
In article <061020132331389843%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why it 
> > means that?
> 
> actually, ^8 or control-8 is not what you want.
> 
> what you want is ^H or control-H, which is the same as backspace and
> whose ascii value is 8.

Yeah, I conflated the two.  My bad.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
0
michelle14 (19004)
10/7/2013 4:03:50 AM
In article <kbOdnehwaLZ_XczPnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2013.10.06 15:32 , JF Mezei wrote:
> > On 13-10-06 08:28, Alan Browne wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure why OS X is on the list.  Just to brag, I guess.
> >
> >  From the store's point of view, isn't OS-X treated as an application
> > that is sold and then transfered to the customer just like any other
> > application (excpect I guess it is unpacked differently once at
> > customer's computer)
> 
> I'm just don't consider an OS distro to be an app (yes, OS distros come 
> with many apps that are usually "middleware" and some that are truly 
> app-ish).

True, although Mac OS X is now sold as an app, it's is downloaded as an
app, it's even run as an app ... which then installs all the separate
bits and pieces.



> I guess it's the times.  It used to be a very big deal when an OS vendor 
> released a new major version.

In the "good ol' days" there wer no OS releases (and no constant
updating). You simply had whatever operating systme came on your
VIC-20, Commodore 64, Apple ][, etc. when you bought it.



> It's becoming less and less onerous to get the OS updates, less 
> onerous to install, less onerous to "patch",  etc. - due of course
> to the web.

Getting the constant updates is a pain-in-the-sit-upon for those on
dial-up connections or on data capped broadband plans.   :-(




> Well - that's the OS X side - I really have no idea how easy or not it 
> is with Windows - I recall updating WinXP service packs and it was tedious.
> 
> Last times I updated Linux it was very easy as well (and that's been a 
> few years).

Windows is even worse since you not only have the more numerous OS
patches and other software updates, but also the constant anti-virus
updates to download.
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yourname3 (804)
10/7/2013 6:10:14 AM
In article <tom_stiller-795075.20420106102013@news.individual.net>, Tom
Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <SalmonEgg-443FE1.13561706102013@news80.forteinc.com>,
>  Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
> >  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > > 
> > > > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought
> > > > that people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought
> > > > it years ago.
> > > 
> > > Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
> > > 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
> > 
> > Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
> > 
> > For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
> > appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill 
> > developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
> > a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
> > reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
> > keying to where machines can read it.
> 
> I figure it's for folks that are so insecure that they require 
> validation for every little thing they think or do, or for folks so 
> egotistical they think others are interested in every little thing they 
> think or do.

They're called "teenagers" and "youth".  ;-)
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yourname3 (804)
10/7/2013 6:13:29 AM
In article <0PudnaIonP2rTMzPnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> .-- .... .. .-.. . / .- / .--- .- -.-- / .-.. . -. --- / -.. . -- --- / 
> --- ..-. / -- --- .-. ... . / -- .. --. .... - / ... .... --- .-- / .... 
> .. --. .... . .-. / ... .--. . . -.. --..-- / .. - / -.- .. -. -.. .- / 
> .-.. . ..-. - / --- ..- - / - .... .- - / -.-- --- ..- / -.. --- / -. . 
> . -.. / - --- / - .-. .- -. ... .--. --- .-. - / - .... . / ... .. --. 
> -. .- .-.. / ... --- -- . .... --- .-- / .- -. -.. / - .... .- - / -- 
> --- .-. ... . / -.- . -.-- .. -. --. / .- -. -.. / .-..-. .-.. .. ... - 
> . -. .. -. --. .-..-. / .- .-. . / .... .- .-. -.. / - --- / .- -.-. 
> --.- ..- .. .-. . / ... -.- .. .-.. .-.. ... .-.-.- / - .-- .. - - . .-. 
> / .-.. . .- ...- . ... / -- . / .--. .-. . - - -.-- / -.-. --- .-.. -.. 
> / -....- / -... ..- - / .. - / --- -... ...- .. --- ..- ... .-.. -.-- / 
> .. ... / .- / .... .. - / .-- .. - .... / -- .- -. -.-- .-.-.- / - .... 
> . .-. . / .- .-. . / ... .. - . ... / - .... .- - / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. 
> .- - . / -- --- .-. ... . / - --- / - . -..- - / .- -. -.. / -... .- 
> -.-. -.- .-.-.-

Back when the Apple ][ came out, I wrote a program to convert a text 
file into Morse code for code practice. I believed I did that using a 
Pascal program for the Apple Language System.

It was extremely difficult for me to translate the sample quoted above. 
I was getting to the point where I did hear the sound for a letter as a 
sound that spoke the letters to me as if I were competent in a foreign 
language abd able to translate a word like didahdidit into an L.

I do not think it that it would be all that difficult to develop a 
keying skill if you used an app that completed and spaced the sounds 
forming a Morse character.

-- 

Sam

Conservatives are against Darwinism but for natural selection.
Liberals are for Darwinism but totally against any selection.
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SalmonEgg (705)
10/7/2013 6:29:48 AM
In article <slrnl54543.ssi.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <tom_stiller-795075.20420106102013@news.individual.net> 
>   Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In article <SalmonEgg-443FE1.13561706102013@news80.forteinc.com>,
> >  Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> >> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
> >>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought 
> >> > > that 
> >> > > people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it 
> >> > > years 
> >> > > ago.
> >> > 
> >> > Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
> >> > 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
> >> 
> >> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
> >> 
> >> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
> >> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill 
> >> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
> >> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
> >> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
> >> keying to where machines can read it.
> 
> > I figure it's for folks that are so insecure that they require 
> > validation for every little thing they think or do, or for folks so 
> > egotistical they think others are interested in every little thing they 
> > think or do.
> 
> "Hey, this thing that a few hundred million people use and I know nothing
> about? Yeah, I'm going to assume that all those people are narcissistic
> morons because that fits in with my ignorant prejudice."
> 
> Says more about you than them. doesn't it?

I suppose it does. Maybe I should tweet about it?

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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tom_stiller (1288)
10/7/2013 12:32:09 PM
In article <michelle-6C66BE.19581406102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <tom_stiller-AFFB41.21290406102013@news.individual.net>,
>  Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > > .. / .-- .- ... -. .----. - / .-. . .--. .-.. -.-- .. -. --. / - --- / 
> > > -.-- --- ..- .-.-.-
> > 
> > 
> > ... --- .-. .-. -.-- / .. .----. .-.. .-.. / -.-. .-.. --- ... . / -- 
> > -.-- / -.- . -.--
> 
> ... --- ...

..-.. --- .-..

-- 
PRAY, v.  To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce
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tom_stiller (1288)
10/7/2013 12:33:57 PM
In article <071020131910146902%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In the "good ol' days" there wer no OS releases (and no constant
> updating). You simply had whatever operating systme came on your
> VIC-20, Commodore 64, Apple ][, etc. when you bought it.

Gee, I guess all those OS updates I got for my Apple II computers were 
figments of my imagination.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_DOS>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProDOS>

Oh, if you're referring to the built-in system on ROM, the ROMs could be 
replaced; in fact to convert an Apple ][ to an Apple ][+, all it took was 
to replace one ROM.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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michelle14 (19004)
10/7/2013 3:26:18 PM
In article <SalmonEgg-443FE1.13561706102013@news80.forteinc.com>,
 Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
> > On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > 
> > > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
> > > people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
> > > ago.
> > 
> > Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
> > 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
> 
> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
> 
> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill 
> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
> keying to where machines can read it.

The twitter and FB people seem to be those with high-end cell phones who 
are opiate-like slaves, hopelessly addicted to their personal devices.

You can recognize them in restaurants, they are the ones who never talk 
to the people sitting with them, their noses are buried in their phones. 
Sometimes you get to see a whole flock of them together, all nosed into 
their phones and pecking away like a bunch of chickens eating corn.

Makes me wonder if over the next century we'll end up with two new human 
varieties: homo sapiens verbum and homo sapiens mutus.
-- 
Live every day like it's your last--someday you'll be right.
0
replytome4 (188)
10/7/2013 3:59:06 PM
On 2013.10.06 23:00 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <afadnUq7AdxrcczPnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.10.06 18:58 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>> In article <slrnl53onb.q3a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
>>>    Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking
>>>> news from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends
>>>> with it.
>>>
>>> I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the
>>> web, and applications to tweet as well.
>>
>> Within that, tweeting would be insignificant additional bandwidth.
>
> It's not bandwidth; it's time spent.

Time is "human bandwidth".  If you have time for all that crap, adding 
tweets would be just another little bit once set up.  Following other 
people's tweets is something else I guess.

> Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why it
> means that?

 From context it was clearly backspaces - and ASCII 8 is the backspace. 
  Not sure about your notation, however.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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alan.browne (4546)
10/7/2013 8:25:52 PM
On 2013.10.07 02:29 , Salmon Egg wrote:

> Back when the Apple ][ came out, I wrote a program to convert a text
> file into Morse code for code practice. I believed I did that using a
> Pascal program for the Apple Language System.

Pretty trivial.

> It was extremely difficult for me to translate the sample quoted above.
> I was getting to the point where I did hear the sound for a letter as a
> sound that spoke the letters to me as if I were competent in a foreign
> language abd able to translate a word like didahdidit into an L.
>
> I do not think it that it would be all that difficult to develop a
> keying skill if you used an app that completed and spaced the sounds
> forming a Morse character.

All I cared about Morse was listening to VOR, NDB, and ILS stations 
tuned in for navigation when flying.  You didn't have to recognize the 
letters - the Morse is printed in dots and dashes on navigation charts 
by each NAVAID.
             eg: YUL -.-- ..- .-..

So you just had to listen for dah.dit.dah.dah dit.dit.dah 
dit.dah.dit.dit to confirm you set the right freq and that the station 
believed its signal was ok.


-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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alan.browne (4546)
10/7/2013 8:29:01 PM
In article <SalmonEgg-443FE1.13561706102013@news80.forteinc.com>,
Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> > On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > > 
> > > How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that 
> > > people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years 
> > > ago.
> > 
> > Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
> > 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
> 
> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?
> 
> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little? For the skill 
> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
> keying to where machines can read it.

Twitter is for twits ... n'uff said.  ;-)
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yourname3 (804)
10/7/2013 8:31:13 PM
On 2013.10.07 02:10 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <kbOdnehwaLZ_XczPnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>
>> It's becoming less and less onerous to get the OS updates, less
>> onerous to install, less onerous to "patch",  etc. - due of course
>> to the web.
>
> Getting the constant updates is a pain-in-the-sit-upon for those on
> dial-up connections or on data capped broadband plans.   :-(

Can't help dial-up too much.  I believe Apple behave in an insensitive 
manner by no longer providing physical media to those who truly need it. 
  It wouldn't be that hard for them to contract out a few thousands 
disks to be made and mailed where needed.

It is, OTOH, cheatable (start the update to pay for it and get someone 
to mail you an install disk or USB key) - but a PITA.  ISP data caps 
evolve.  I now get 150 GB/month for what I once paid for 10 GB/month...

>> Well - that's the OS X side - I really have no idea how easy or not it
>> is with Windows - I recall updating WinXP service packs and it was tedious.
>>
>> Last times I updated Linux it was very easy as well (and that's been a
>> few years).
>
> Windows is even worse since you not only have the more numerous OS
> patches and other software updates, but also the constant anti-virus
> updates to download.

A-V updates (definitions) are automatic with most A-V packages.  Yes, 
it's bandwidth, but not that you have to do anything.

-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/7/2013 8:36:01 PM
On 2013-10-06 07:00:46 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <chrispam1-754C91.22552105102013@newsfeed.aioe.org>, Chris
> Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
>> In article <michelle-13237C.20292805102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Through the Mac App Store:
>>> 
>>> 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
>>> 2.  Pages
>>> 3.  1Password
>>> 4.  Keynote
>>> 5.  Numbers
>>> 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
>>> 7.  iPhoto
>>> 8.  Duplicate Detective
>>> 9.  Disk Doctor
>>> 10. Live Wallpaper
>>> 
>>> I don't understand #6; I have FaceTime 2.0 installed on my computer; it was
>>> released in July of last year. And of course, it is free with Lion or
>>> later.  So why is it so high among the paid apps?
>> 
>> Because that older version will run under Snow Leopard?
> 
> Not sure Mountain Lion really counts as an "app" ... it's more a
> collection of "apps".

From the App store's perspective, I suppose, you might say that the 
*installer* is the app in question.

> 
> Pages, Keynote, and Numbers I can understand to some degree, matbe even
> FaceTime and iPhotot (paid apps??), but the rest is pretty much
> over-hyped rubbish.

I'm surprised at 1Password being so high there, especially since it's 
also available outside the app store.

And the last three - no idea.  Weird.


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BreadWithSpam (1707)
10/7/2013 11:51:27 PM
On 2013-10-06 20:56:17 +0000, Salmon Egg said:

> In article <5251bd3d$0$47850$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>,
>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> On 13-10-06 11:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> 
>>> How many Macs are still running Snow Leopard?  I would have thought that
>>> people running Snow Leopard who want FaceTime would have bought it years
>>> ago.
>> 
>> Snow Leopard appears to be Apple's "XP".  I believe the number is about
>> 33%  of Apple users still run on SL (I am part of that group).
> 
> Me too. Why do we have to be at the leading edge all the time?

I retired my last machine which topped out at Snow Leopard about a
year ago.  The loss of address book, calendar, etc. syncing was a big
motivator, though the simple age/slowness of the machine (it still runs)
was a huge factor (as well as the great deal on the replacement).


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BreadWithSpam (1707)
10/7/2013 11:54:52 PM
On 2013.10.07 19:51 , Bread wrote:
> On 2013-10-06 07:00:46 +0000, Your Name said:
>
>> In article <chrispam1-754C91.22552105102013@newsfeed.aioe.org>, Chris
>> Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
>>> In article <michelle-13237C.20292805102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Through the Mac App Store:
>>>>
>>>> 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
>>>> 2.  Pages
>>>> 3.  1Password
>>>> 4.  Keynote
>>>> 5.  Numbers
>>>> 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
>>>> 7.  iPhoto
>>>> 8.  Duplicate Detective
>>>> 9.  Disk Doctor
>>>> 10. Live Wallpaper
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand #6; I have FaceTime 2.0 installed on my computer;
>>>> it was
>>>> released in July of last year. And of course, it is free with Lion or
>>>> later.  So why is it so high among the paid apps?
>>>
>>> Because that older version will run under Snow Leopard?
>>
>> Not sure Mountain Lion really counts as an "app" ... it's more a
>> collection of "apps".
>
>  From the App store's perspective, I suppose, you might say that the
> *installer* is the app in question.

Yech.  Word twisting of the worst kind.  ;------)

>
>>
>> Pages, Keynote, and Numbers I can understand to some degree, matbe even
>> FaceTime and iPhotot (paid apps??), but the rest is pretty much
>> over-hyped rubbish.
>
> I'm surprised at 1Password being so high there, especially since it's
> also available outside the app store.
>
> And the last three - no idea.  Weird.

A lot of people still DL their apps outside the garden so that list has 
considerable skew to it.



-- 
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
                                                  -Unknown
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alan.browne (4546)
10/8/2013 12:19:55 AM
Salmon Egg:
> For that matter, will someone explain to me, and old fogey, what is the 
> appeal of twitter? Why text so much with so little?

Don't know, but I'll tweet your question and see what my followers
think.



> For the skill 
> developed to text on a telephone, it has already been demonstrated that 
> a moderate speed of Morse code is faster. Just make an app for reading 
> reading Morse code. Another app could be used to clean up lousy Morse 
> keying to where machines can read it.

Right. Ridiculous.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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star (3126)
10/8/2013 2:01:07 AM
Suze:
> The twitter and FB people seem to be those with high-end cell phones who 
> are opiate-like slaves, hopelessly addicted to their personal devices.

I hear about those people, but I never see them. I think that's an
urban myth.

> You can recognize them in restaurants, they are the ones who never talk 
> to the people sitting with them, their noses are buried in their phones. 
> Sometimes you get to see a whole flock of them together, all nosed into 
> their phones and pecking away like a bunch of chickens eating corn.

Start going to better restaurants.

> Makes me wonder if over the next century we'll end up with two new human 
> varieties: homo sapiens verbum and homo sapiens mutus.

There must be as many reasons for using social media as there are
users. My cohort includes people who live on every continent except
Antarctica. Facebook does not seem to have harmed my ability to
communicate verbally, and it has vastly improved my ability to
communicate with far-flung friends in a non-intrusive way.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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star (3126)
10/8/2013 2:05:56 AM
JF Mezei:
> > The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
> > you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
> > recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)

Don't deceive yourself about the world's largest employer of
mathematicians, the inventor of the supercomputer, and the world's
largest user of computers, including supercomputers.

Tom Stiller:
> Or use steganographic techniques to encode the messages in cute pictures 
> of kittens.

Ditto.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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star (3126)
10/8/2013 2:14:33 AM
On 13-10-07 22:05, Davoud wrote:
> Suze:
>> The twitter and FB people seem to be those with high-end cell phones who 
>> are opiate-like slaves, hopelessly addicted to their personal devices.

I see cell-phone-addicted young ones all the time.  They constant text
each other instead of talk.  They will evolve into people with different
hands and under-developped vocal chords barely able to grunt like an
animal :-)

There is one class of female teenager however who do both. They will
talk non stop using only 3 letter expressions such as OMG and BFF, AND
text at the same time :-)



0
10/8/2013 2:17:34 AM
On 13-10-07 22:14, Davoud wrote:
> JF Mezei:
>> > The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
>> > you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
>> > recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)
> 
> Don't deceive yourself about the world's largest employer of
> mathematicians, the inventor of the supercomputer, and the world's
> largest user of computers, including supercomputers.

Morse code shaped as ASCII art would likely pass undetected until
someone at the NSA would spot it and decided it was worth looking into
and develop software to detect such and then decode them.


If nobody important used that technique, it would never be noticed by
the NSA. Of course, the second it is noticed, it wouldn't be hard for
NSA to decode it.

0
10/8/2013 3:26:54 AM
In article <192dnRfLXuGshs7PnZ2dnUVZ_oAAAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2013.10.07 02:10 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <kbOdnehwaLZ_XczPnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> >
> >> It's becoming less and less onerous to get the OS updates, less
> >> onerous to install, less onerous to "patch",  etc. - due of course
> >> to the web.
> >
> > Getting the constant updates is a pain-in-the-sit-upon for those on
> > dial-up connections or on data capped broadband plans.   :-(
> 
> Can't help dial-up too much.  I believe Apple behave in an insensitive 
> manner by no longer providing physical media to those who truly need it. 
>   It wouldn't be that hard for them to contract out a few thousands 
> disks to be made and mailed where needed.
> 
> It is, OTOH, cheatable (start the update to pay for it and get someone 
> to mail you an install disk or USB key) - but a PITA.  ISP data caps 
> evolve.  I now get 150 GB/month for what I once paid for 10 GB/month...

Yep, but the the size of the downloads also "evolves".

Sometimes the cost of the broadband plan "evolves" as well. Broadband
plans at the start were about NZ$40 per month, now they're around NZ$70
at the cheapest.

In fact at the moment the New Zealand Government (via contracted
companies) is installing fibre lines all over the country, but they're
allowing the price of the copper-wire-based broadband plans to stay the
same, and the same as the new fibre plans. They claim it's because if
they lowered the price of copper broadband, then it would mean fewer
people would upgrade to fibre (which is what they been told by, you
guessed it, the companies installing the fibre cables!). That might
have some truth to it for some people, but it alos means people like me
aren't going to upgrade from dial-up to expensive fibre or over-priced
copper plans.




> >> Well - that's the OS X side - I really have no idea how easy or not it
> >> is with Windows - I recall updating WinXP service packs and it was tedious.
> >>
> >> Last times I updated Linux it was very easy as well (and that's been a
> >> few years).
> >
> > Windows is even worse since you not only have the more numerous OS
> > patches and other software updates, but also the constant anti-virus
> > updates to download.
> 
> A-V updates (definitions) are automatic with most A-V packages.  Yes, 
> it's bandwidth, but not that you have to do anything.

It is still something that has to be downloaded. You don't "have to do
anything" for OS updates either (except perhaps type in your password
and reboot the computer from time to time).
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yourname3 (804)
10/8/2013 6:39:57 AM
In message <michelle-8FE56B.20001306102013@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <afadnUq7AdxrcczPnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>> On 2013.10.06 18:58 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> > In article <slrnl53onb.q3a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
>> >   Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking 
>> >> news from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends 
>> >> with it.
>> >
>> > I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the 
>> > web, and applications to tweet as well.
>> 
>> Within that, tweeting would be insignificant additional bandwidth.

> It's not bandwidth; it's time spent.

> Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why it 
> means that?

I've never seen ^8 used to indicate ^H, but it seemed obvious that was
the intent.

-- 
Secret to a happy relationship: when you're wrong, admit it. When you're
right, shut up.
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g.kreme (3671)
10/8/2013 12:54:21 PM
In article <michelle-8FE56B.20001306102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <afadnUq7AdxrcczPnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> > On 2013.10.06 18:58 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> > > In article <slrnl53onb.q3a.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
> > >   Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It's all about who you choose to follow. I get most all my breaking 
> > >> news from twitter and I also keep in touch with a few of my friends 
> > >> with it.
> > >
> > > I waste ^8^8^8^8^8 spend enough time with usenet, email, facebook, the 
> > > web, and applications to tweet as well.
> > 
> > Within that, tweeting would be insignificant additional bandwidth.
> 
> It's not bandwidth; it's time spent.
> 
> Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why it 
> means that?

Me. Please do explain.

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E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM
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jollyroger (11010)
10/8/2013 1:56:11 PM
In article <michelle-D975BB.08261807102013@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <071020131910146902%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In the "good ol' days" there wer no OS releases (and no constant
> > updating). You simply had whatever operating systme came on your
> > VIC-20, Commodore 64, Apple ][, etc. when you bought it.
> 
> Gee, I guess all those OS updates I got for my Apple II computers were 
> figments of my imagination.
> 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_DOS>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProDOS>
> 

From what I recall, you as a user usually never got those updates.
Apple's DOS came on each disk of software you bought, loading into the
system so the program could then run. I recall a friend being pissed at
the whole idea of ProDOS, as it was this bloated thing you had to run
BEFORE you did anything else.

You probably could get a new System Disk with a new version of DOS, but
I never never did or even knew that was a thing while I had my //c. The
disk was for formatting floppies, and that's about it.

-- 
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'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'
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invid (101)
10/8/2013 2:05:33 PM
In article <slrnl5803u.9eu.g.kreme@jaka.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > Oh, BTW, who here *doesn't know* what that "^8^8^8^8^8" means, and why 
> > it means that?
> 
> I've never seen ^8 used to indicate ^H, but it seemed obvious that was 
> the intent.

As I previously wrote, I inadvertently conflated ^H and ASCII 8.

Oh, and ^G somehow rings a bell, not unlike Quasimodo.

-- 
All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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michelle14 (19004)
10/8/2013 2:31:29 PM
In article <52536b3f$0$10761$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 13-10-07 22:05, Davoud wrote:
> > Suze:
> >> The twitter and FB people seem to be those with high-end cell phones who 
> >> are opiate-like slaves, hopelessly addicted to their personal devices.
> 
> I see cell-phone-addicted young ones all the time.  They constant text
> each other instead of talk.  They will evolve into people with different
> hands and under-developped vocal chords barely able to grunt like an
> animal :-)
> 
> There is one class of female teenager however who do both. They will
> talk non stop using only 3 letter expressions such as OMG and BFF, AND
> text at the same time :-)

I was working out in my front yard one fine sunny spring day when a 
group of 5 teenage girls (~14 years of age) walked down the sidewalk in 
a tight formation. All their eyes were glued to their cell phones. They 
were varyingly and independently laughing, smiling, or exclaiming 
together. 

Since I was right there, I asked them what they were doing. They 
responded that they were simultaneously twitting each other and several 
other friends. They also were none too pleased I had interrupted their 
seance.

(No disparagement of females intended. I sure males of the same are are 
just as scattered.)

Buckaroo Banzai once said, 'Remember, no matter where you go, there you 
are.' It seems today no one is EVER where they are. Correlation with the 
rise in ADHD? You judge.

Or more succinctly:  Twitter is for TWITS!.
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fmoore (1430)
10/8/2013 3:59:12 PM
In article <071020132214339135%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> JF Mezei:
> > > The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
> > > you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
> > > recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)
> 
> Don't deceive yourself about the world's largest employer of
> mathematicians, the inventor of the supercomputer, and the world's
> largest user of computers, including supercomputers.

So, we should all bend over and let the Number Sucking Assholes cornhole 
us with a bigger algorithm?

Are you masochistic or suicidal?

-- 
The purpose of the U.S. government is to care for, protect, and further 
enrich the wealthy classes while preventing the middle and underclasses 
from revolting. All three branches of government play their part, but 
the Congress is the keystone.
     --David Illig
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fmoore (1430)
10/8/2013 4:11:46 PM
On 2013-10-07 20:29:01 +0000, Alan Browne said:

> On 2013.10.07 02:29 , Salmon Egg wrote:
> 
>> Back when the Apple ][ came out, I wrote a program to convert a text
>> file into Morse code for code practice. I believed I did that using a
>> Pascal program for the Apple Language System.
> 
> Pretty trivial.
> 
>> It was extremely difficult for me to translate the sample quoted above.
>> I was getting to the point where I did hear the sound for a letter as a
>> sound that spoke the letters to me as if I were competent in a foreign
>> language abd able to translate a word like didahdidit into an L.
>> 
>> I do not think it that it would be all that difficult to develop a
>> keying skill if you used an app that completed and spaced the sounds
>> forming a Morse character.
> 
> All I cared about Morse was listening to VOR, NDB, and ILS stations 
> tuned in for navigation when flying.  You didn't have to recognize the 
> letters - the Morse is printed in dots and dashes on navigation charts 
> by each NAVAID.
>              eg: YUL -.-- ..- .-..
> 
> So you just had to listen for dah.dit.dah.dah dit.dit.dah 
> dit.dah.dit.dit to confirm you set the right freq and that the station 
> believed its signal was ok.

Hmm.  Makes me think NSA'ing text my be more difficult thataway:

dit.dit.dah.dit dit.dit dah.dit dit.dah dit.dah.dit.dit dit.dah.dit.dit 
dah.dit.dah.dah / dit.dah dah.dit / dit.dit dah.dit dah dit dit.dah.dit 
dit dit.dit.dit dah dit.dit dah.dit dah.dah.dit / dah dah.dah.dah 
dit.dah.dah.dit dit.dit dah.dit.dah.dit / dit.dah dah / dit.dit.dah 
dit.dit.dit dit dah.dit dit dah

And so forth.

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xxx613 (1334)
10/8/2013 4:26:04 PM
JF Mezei wrote:
> 
> > On 13-10-07 22:05, Davoud wrote:
> > > Suze:
> > >> The twitter and FB people seem to be those with high-end cell phones who 
> > >> are opiate-like slaves, hopelessly addicted to their personal devices.
> > 
> > I see cell-phone-addicted young ones all the time.  They constant text
> > each other instead of talk.  They will evolve into people with different
> > hands and under-developped vocal chords barely able to grunt like an
> > animal :-)
> > 
> > There is one class of female teenager however who do both. They will
> > talk non stop using only 3 letter expressions such as OMG and BFF, AND
> > text at the same time :-)

Please, Mr. Mezei, I didn't write any of that.

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star (3126)
10/8/2013 4:57:11 PM
JF Mezei:
> > > > The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
> > > > you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
> > > > recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)

Davoud:
> > Don't deceive yourself about the world's largest employer of
> > mathematicians, the inventor of the supercomputer, and the world's
> > largest user of computers, including supercomputers.

Fred Moore:
> So, we should all bend over and let the Number Sucking Assholes cornhole 
> us with a bigger algorithm?

> Are you masochistic or suicidal?

Now, settle down. NSA does not know or care that you exist. You are not
the 'droid they are looking for.

As for Number Sucking Assholes, I take personal offense at that. My
friend Gary Durell was no such thing. Gary gave his life in Pakistan
for you and me and our country
<http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-03-10/news/1995069001_1_durell-va
n-landingham-karachi>.

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star (3126)
10/8/2013 5:12:13 PM
In article <081020131312133889%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> JF Mezei:
> > > > > The challenge is to position it so that it looks like ASCII art. Then
> > > > > you can transmit it and the NSA would have no clue it contains the
> > > > > recipe to make a bombe dessert :-)
> 
> Davoud:
> > > Don't deceive yourself about the world's largest employer of
> > > mathematicians, the inventor of the supercomputer, and the world's
> > > largest user of computers, including supercomputers.
> 
> Fred Moore:
> > So, we should all bend over and let the Number Sucking Assholes cornhole 
> > us with a bigger algorithm?
> 
> > Are you masochistic or suicidal?
> 
> Now, settle down. NSA does not know or care that you exist. You are not
> the 'droid they are looking for.

....until you turn up on some NSA watch list due to whatever arbitrary 
search criteria they use to build said list, and of course you won't be 
notified that you are on said list.

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E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM
filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
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jollyroger (11010)
10/8/2013 7:19:52 PM
On 2013.10.08 02:39 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <192dnRfLXuGshs7PnZ2dnUVZ_oAAAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2013.10.07 02:10 , Your Name wrote:
>>> In article <kbOdnehwaLZ_XczPnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> It's becoming less and less onerous to get the OS updates, less
>>>> onerous to install, less onerous to "patch",  etc. - due of course
>>>> to the web.
>>>
>>> Getting the constant updates is a pain-in-the-sit-upon for those on
>>> dial-up connections or on data capped broadband plans.   :-(
>>
>> Can't help dial-up too much.  I believe Apple behave in an insensitive
>> manner by no longer providing physical media to those who truly need it.
>>    It wouldn't be that hard for them to contract out a few thousands
>> disks to be made and mailed where needed.
>>
>> It is, OTOH, cheatable (start the update to pay for it and get someone
>> to mail you an install disk or USB key) - but a PITA.  ISP data caps
>> evolve.  I now get 150 GB/month for what I once paid for 10 GB/month...
>
> Yep, but the the size of the downloads also "evolves".
>
> Sometimes the cost of the broadband plan "evolves" as well. Broadband
> plans at the start were about NZ$40 per month, now they're around NZ$70
> at the cheapest.

Here the 'value' has gone up over time.  For roughly the same amount of 
money I'd get 5X the bandwidth and cap now as when I first got a cable 
modem back in the other millenium.

But since I've dropped cable television and cable based VOIP, I've 
bumped up my speed and cap to 30 Mb/s and 150 GB/month - so a little 
more, but far less than paying for television and phone as well.

Also I now have a true-intenet-VOIP (the least reliable landline option) 
but it gives me free, unlimited North America long distance for about 
$40 / year.

> In fact at the moment the New Zealand Government (via contracted
> companies) is installing fibre lines all over the country, but they're
> allowing the price of the copper-wire-based broadband plans to stay the
> same, and the same as the new fibre plans. They claim it's because if
> they lowered the price of copper broadband, then it would mean fewer
> people would upgrade to fibre (which is what they been told by, you
> guessed it, the companies installing the fibre cables!). That might
> have some truth to it for some people, but it alos means people like me
> aren't going to upgrade from dial-up to expensive fibre or over-priced
> copper plans.

With a population of less than 5M it's going to be hard for NZ to have 
broader competition.

>>>> Well - that's the OS X side - I really have no idea how easy or not it
>>>> is with Windows - I recall updating WinXP service packs and it was tedious.
>>>>
>>>> Last times I updated Linux it was very easy as well (and that's been a
>>>> few years).
>>>
>>> Windows is even worse since you not only have the more numerous OS
>>> patches and other software updates, but also the constant anti-virus
>>> updates to download.
>>
>> A-V updates (definitions) are automatic with most A-V packages.  Yes,
>> it's bandwidth, but not that you have to do anything.
>
> It is still something that has to be downloaded.

It's really negligible.


-- 
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illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
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alan.browne (4546)
10/8/2013 8:40:31 PM
On 2013.10.08 12:26 , gtr wrote:
> On 2013-10-07 20:29:01 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>> On 2013.10.07 02:29 , Salmon Egg wrote:
>>
>>> Back when the Apple ][ came out, I wrote a program to convert a text
>>> file into Morse code for code practice. I believed I did that using a
>>> Pascal program for the Apple Language System.
>>
>> Pretty trivial.
>>
>>> It was extremely difficult for me to translate the sample quoted above.
>>> I was getting to the point where I did hear the sound for a letter as a
>>> sound that spoke the letters to me as if I were competent in a foreign
>>> language abd able to translate a word like didahdidit into an L.
>>>
>>> I do not think it that it would be all that difficult to develop a
>>> keying skill if you used an app that completed and spaced the sounds
>>> forming a Morse character.
>>
>> All I cared about Morse was listening to VOR, NDB, and ILS stations
>> tuned in for navigation when flying.  You didn't have to recognize the
>> letters - the Morse is printed in dots and dashes on navigation charts
>> by each NAVAID.
>>              eg: YUL -.-- ..- .-..
>>
>> So you just had to listen for dah.dit.dah.dah dit.dit.dah
>> dit.dah.dit.dit to confirm you set the right freq and that the station
>> believed its signal was ok.
>
> Hmm.  Makes me think NSA'ing text my be more difficult thataway:
>
> dit.dit.dah.dit dit.dit dah.dit dit.dah dit.dah.dit.dit dit.dah.dit.dit
> dah.dit.dah.dah / dit.dah dah.dit / dit.dit dah.dit dah dit dit.dah.dit
> dit dit.dit.dit dah dit.dit dah.dit dah.dah.dit / dah dah.dah.dah
> dit.dah.dah.dit dit.dit dah.dit.dah.dit / dit.dah dah / dit.dit.dah
> dit.dit.dit dit dah.dit dit dah
>
> And so forth.

Nah.  Just a question of conversion once they see it and then into the 
usual decypher queue - whatever that is.


-- 
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illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
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alan.browne (4546)
10/8/2013 8:43:45 PM
On 2013-10-06 10:05:23 -0700, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <-JWdnaBClJ6YyszPnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>>> Through the Mac App Store:
>>> 
>>> 1.  OS X Mountain Lion
>>> 2.  Pages
>>> 3.  1Password
>>> 4.  Keynote
>>> 5.  Numbers
>>> 6.  FaceTime 1.0.2
>>> 7.  iPhoto
>>> 8.  Duplicate Detective
>>> 9.  Disk Doctor
>>> 10. Live Wallpaper
>> 
>> Not sure why OS X is on the Mac App list.
> 
> it's just another item in the store.
> 
> they aren't special casing it because it's not really 'an app'.
> 
>> I have 4 of those, but 3 were bought in 2008 (Pages/Keynote/Numbers etc.)
>> 
>> iPhoto is trash.
> 
> it is, but there's no other way to sync and organize photos on an
> iphone/ipad.

Dropbox or "Photo Transfer App".
< https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/photo-transfer-app-easily/id365152940?mt=8 >

> i use lightroom and then export desired photos to be imported to iphoto
> which are then synced to a device. that's all iphoto is good for.
> 
> there's no way to sync directly from lightroom or any other app (except
> aperture), so i have to use iphoto.
> 
> if apple ever adds the ability to sync directly from lightroom's
> library, i could cease using iphoto forever. however, that's not likely
> to happen.

I don't use iPhoto in any way, but I sure use Lightroom, PS CS6, 
Dropbox and Photo Transfer App.


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Savageduck

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Savageduck
10/8/2013 9:27:55 PM
In article <2013100814275531729-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >> iPhoto is trash.
> > 
> > it is, but there's no other way to sync and organize photos on an
> > iphone/ipad.
> 
> Dropbox or "Photo Transfer App".
> < https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/photo-transfer-app-easily/id365152940?mt=8 >

neither of those support faces or albums, which makes it a nonstarter

> > i use lightroom and then export desired photos to be imported to iphoto
> > which are then synced to a device. that's all iphoto is good for.
> > 
> > there's no way to sync directly from lightroom or any other app (except
> > aperture), so i have to use iphoto.
> > 
> > if apple ever adds the ability to sync directly from lightroom's
> > library, i could cease using iphoto forever. however, that's not likely
> > to happen.
> 
> I don't use iPhoto in any way, but I sure use Lightroom, PS CS6, 
> Dropbox and Photo Transfer App.

i use lightroom and occasionally photoshop, then export the good photos
to iphoto, arrange them in the order i want them to be in, update faces
if applicable and then sync.
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nospam59 (11088)
10/8/2013 11:17:31 PM
In article <bLGdnfhq_9Fd8MnPnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.10.08 02:39 , Your Name wrote:
> > In article <192dnRfLXuGshs7PnZ2dnUVZ_oAAAAAA@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2013.10.07 02:10 , Your Name wrote:
> >>> In article <kbOdnehwaLZ_XczPnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> >>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> It's becoming less and less onerous to get the OS updates, less
> >>>> onerous to install, less onerous to "patch",  etc. - due of course
> >>>> to the web.
> >>>
> >>> Getting the constant updates is a pain-in-the-sit-upon for those on
> >>> dial-up connections or on data capped broadband plans.   :-(
> >>
> >> Can't help dial-up too much.  I believe Apple behave in an insensitive
> >> manner by no longer providing physical media to those who truly need it.
> >>    It wouldn't be that hard for them to contract out a few thousands
> >> disks to be made and mailed where needed.
> >>
> >> It is, OTOH, cheatable (start the update to pay for it and get someone
> >> to mail you an install disk or USB key) - but a PITA.  ISP data caps
> >> evolve.  I now get 150 GB/month for what I once paid for 10 GB/month...
> >
> > Yep, but the the size of the downloads also "evolves".
> >
> > Sometimes the cost of the broadband plan "evolves" as well. Broadband
> > plans at the start were about NZ$40 per month, now they're around NZ$70
> > at the cheapest.
> 
> Here the 'value' has gone up over time.  For roughly the same amount of 
> money I'd get 5X the bandwidth and cap now as when I first got a cable 
> modem back in the other millenium.
> 
> But since I've dropped cable television and cable based VOIP, I've 
> bumped up my speed and cap to 30 Mb/s and 150 GB/month - so a little 
> more, but far less than paying for television and phone as well.
> 
> Also I now have a true-intenet-VOIP (the least reliable landline option) 
> but it gives me free, unlimited North America long distance for about 
> $40 / year.

Data caps have grown here too, but then since the size of the files you
have to download has also grown, it's debateable whether you're
actually getting anything "extra".



> > In fact at the moment the New Zealand Government (via contracted
> > companies) is installing fibre lines all over the country, but they're
> > allowing the price of the copper-wire-based broadband plans to stay the
> > same, and the same as the new fibre plans. They claim it's because if
> > they lowered the price of copper broadband, then it would mean fewer
> > people would upgrade to fibre (which is what they been told by, you
> > guessed it, the companies installing the fibre cables!). That might
> > have some truth to it for some people, but it alos means people like me
> > aren't going to upgrade from dial-up to expensive fibre or over-priced
> > copper plans.
> 
> With a population of less than 5M it's going to be hard for NZ to have 
> broader competition.

There is no real competition. Telecom New Zealand via it's supposedlt
split-off company Chorus owns all the phonelines, all the exchanges,
and at least partly--owns the international cabling as well. So
basically they set the price all the ISP companies are stuck with.




> >>>> Well - that's the OS X side - I really have no idea how easy or not it
> >>>> is with Windows - I recall updating WinXP service packs and it was
> >>>> tedious.
> >>>>
> >>>> Last times I updated Linux it was very easy as well (and that's been a
> >>>> few years).
> >>>
> >>> Windows is even worse since you not only have the more numerous OS
> >>> patches and other software updates, but also the constant anti-virus
> >>> updates to download.
> >>
> >> A-V updates (definitions) are automatic with most A-V packages.  Yes,
> >> it's bandwidth, but not that you have to do anything.
> >
> > It is still something that has to be downloaded.
> 
> It's really negligible.

Depends on the anti-virus application. Some download just the new /
updated definitions, but others have to download fairly huge files. On
the old Windoze PC my mother used to have it used to take about 30 mins
to download each update via a dial-up connection.
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yourname3 (804)
10/9/2013 12:38:17 AM
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