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3 dozen Linux installs, not a single one worked

Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a failure.

When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.  Then after a manual
reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a program had
crashed.

Networking is non functional.
Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When attempted it
takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and then sets the
card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.

No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.

Pretty much useless.

Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.

Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.


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In news:edUyh.23555$Un.9765@read2.cgocable.net,
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a
> failure.

You couldn't get it up, you mean?

> When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.

Yes, that's what you meant.

> Then after a
> manual reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a
> program had crashed.

A "manual" reboot, eh?

> Networking is non functional.

I'll bet you stuffed it up.

> Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When
> attempted it takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and
> then sets the card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.

Yes, you stuffed it up.

> No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.

Well, that follows if you stuff it up.

> Pretty much useless.

'Fraid so. Best top yourself, but not on the carpet.

> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
> worked.

You stuffed them all up!! My old dog could do better than you.

> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.

Says the cretin who couldn't get one Linux install out of over 30 to work! 
You could try MS Vista... 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 6:17:57 AM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a
> failure.

Tell me where to get feisty, I'll install it and tell you how to do it. 
Feisty is a prototype, much the same Vista RC1 was. So, for all the people
who told me my troubles with RC1 weren't realized in the Final Version, I
say the same to you. 


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Trueno (110)
2/9/2007 6:27:07 AM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> Feisty


is the non-stable version of Ubuntu designed for beta testing

-- 
Dale
http://www.vedantasite.org
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dale.kelly (34)
2/9/2007 6:29:36 AM
In article <edUyh.23555$Un.9765@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
.......
>Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.

You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
success.


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pack9 (88)
2/9/2007 6:44:54 AM
In news:9JUyh.12290$4Q2.8760@read1.cgocable.net,
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>
>  Fear is the mind killer.

You'd be scared shitless, then? 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 6:47:02 AM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> > Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a
> > failure.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> You couldn't get it up, you mean?

  Nope, Linux is as limp as your second chin.
..


VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> > When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Yes, that's what you meant.

  Yup, mighty stable don't you think?  Unable to even reboot the PC.

  Linux = Shit Stick.





> > Then after a
> > manueal reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a
> > program had crashed.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> A "manual" reboot, eh?

Of or relating to the hands; "manual dexterity" , Yes, Manual.  Maybe you
thought I had imported a Mexican "Manuel" to push the reset button for me.


> > Networking is non functional.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> I'll bet you stuffed it up.

  Not possible since the Linux Installer did all of the packing and
unpacking, and failed as usual.


> > Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When
> > attempted it takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and
> > then sets the card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Yes, you stuffed it up.

It's fun to watch actually.  You click on fixed IP, enter the IP address,
subnet mask and gateway, click on ok, and the network is disconnected, never
to be reconnected, and when you return to the previous window again, it's
magically configured to roaming mode, with the previous settings greyed.

And when you look at the network IP through the desktop widget, it's set to
0.0.0.0

Brilliant.  Absolutely Brilliant.  Shit Eating LinTurds, can't do anything
properly.



> > Pretty much useless.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> 'Fraid so.

  Fear is the mind killer.


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2/9/2007 6:47:23 AM
In news:bJmdnbxNvbP7hVHYnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@forethought.net,
Daniel Packman <pack@users.forethought.net> typed:
> In article <edUyh.23555$Un.9765@read2.cgocable.net>,
> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ......
>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
>> worked.
>
> You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
> with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
> success.

Why do you suggest finger-painting? 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 6:48:57 AM
"Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
> Tell me where to get feisty, I'll install it and tell you how to do it.

 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/

Don't bother.  The LinTard Linux OS is to bug ridden to do anything with.


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
> Feisty is a prototype, much the same Vista RC1 was. So, for all the people
> who told me my troubles with RC1 weren't realized in the Final Version, I
> say the same to you.

  Every version of Linux is a prototype. And not a single version works.

  All A pile of stinking crap, all million versions.




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2/9/2007 6:57:46 AM
"Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast.net> wrote in message
> is the non-stable version of Ubuntu designed for beta testing

  And even though it's crash prone, doens't operate, can't set up the
network correctly, and has a host of other errors, some of which have been
with Linux for over a decade, and still not fixed - It's still better than
most versions.

  It's amazing that LinTurds ignore errors in their pet OS for more than a
decade and have made no atttempt to correct them.

  Shit sucking Linux Retards.



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2/9/2007 7:02:18 AM
> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> >  Fear is the mind killer.

"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> You'd be scared shitless, then?

  Sandwiches don't frighten me.  Neither do spiders or LinTurds.


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2/9/2007 7:04:45 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
> with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
> success.

  Vista is clearly the way to go.  Linux is so bad, it can't even istall
itself in close to 3 dozen attempts.

  It's an OS for Dung Eaters who wouldn't recognize a working PC if they saw
one.


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2/9/2007 7:06:32 AM
In news:rZUyh.12296$4Q2.4891@read1.cgocable.net,
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>>>  Fear is the mind killer.
>
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>> You'd be scared shitless, then?
>
>  Sandwiches don't frighten me.  Neither do spiders or LinTurds.

Maybe, but someone or something put the fear of God into you. 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 7:06:53 AM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Why do you suggest finger-painting?

  You suggest what you know, as you have just done.


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2/9/2007 7:07:23 AM
In news:V%Uyh.12298$4Q2.9032@read1.cgocable.net,
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>> Why do you suggest finger-painting?
>
>  You suggest what you know, as you have just done.

Have it your way. 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 7:08:22 AM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote in message
> Maybe, but someone or something put the fear of God into you.

  "god" is a concept for small, limited minds.


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2/9/2007 7:19:53 AM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote in message
> Have it your way.

Ok, I'll have a whopper with extra onion but no cheese.  Large Fries and a
diet coke.

Though I'd say that just to remind you of your part time job.


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2/9/2007 7:21:23 AM
In news:FbVyh.23558$Un.2440@read2.cgocable.net,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote in message
>> Maybe, but someone or something put the fear of God into you.
>
>  "god" is a concept for small, limited minds.

Well? 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 7:28:09 AM
In news:1dVyh.12299$4Q2.8117@read1.cgocable.net,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote in message
>> Have it your way.
>
> Ok, I'll have a whopper with extra onion but no cheese.  Large Fries
> and a diet coke.

This is your play lunch?

> Though I'd say that just to remind you of your part time job.

Brain surgeon?  Hardly. 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 7:30:19 AM
> > "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote in message
> >> Maybe, but someone or something put the fear of God into you.

> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> >  "god" is a concept for small, limited minds.

"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua>
> Well?

Excellent illustration.  Thanx.




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2/9/2007 7:46:30 AM

> > "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote in message
> >> Have it your way.

> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> > Ok, I'll have a whopper with extra onion but no cheese.  Large Fries
> > and a diet coke.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> This is your play lunch?

  Normally I have an apple, bagel and some yogourt.  But thought I'd give
you the order just to make you feel all warm and comefy.


> > Though I'd say that just to remind you of your part time job.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Brain surgeon?  Hardly.

  Yes dear, you are hardly a brain surgeon.  And no, I don't need to have my
lunch supsersized.


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2/9/2007 7:48:31 AM
In news:BAVyh.12303$4Q2.8218@read1.cgocable.net,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>>> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote in message
>>>> Maybe, but someone or something put the fear of God into you.
>
>> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>>>  "god" is a concept for small, limited minds.
>
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua>
>> Well?
>
> Excellent illustration.  Thanx.

YW. You would not have followed the logic, however.

The proposition was that you were scared shitless, by reason of someone or 
something having put the fear of God into you. Your response was that "god" 
is a concept for small, limited minds.

Given no dispute about your being scared shitless, nor about the reason for 
you being in that state, it is perfectly acceptable for you to make your 
claim about the concept. None will challenge the result that you have a 
small, limited mind. That was already a given, and you simply joined up the 
dots.

Stick to your finger-painting. 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 7:54:51 AM
In news:wCVyh.23562$Un.16304@read2.cgocable.net,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>

>  Normally I have <truncate>

There's no "normal" about you, and you will have whatever is thrown down. 
Have a shit sandwhich. 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 7:58:18 AM
On Thu 08 Feb 2007 11:13:18p, "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, 
wrote:

> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.

You two have a lot in common, then.

-- 
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"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 7:58:54 AM
On Thu 08 Feb 2007 11:44:54p, pack@users.forethought.net (Daniel
Packman), wrote: 

> In article <edUyh.23555$Un.9765@read2.cgocable.net>,
> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ......
>>Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
>>worked. 
> 
> You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
> with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
> success.

Like racing trees.

-- 
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"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 7:59:50 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 12:06:32a, "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>,
wrote: 

> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
>> with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
>> success.
> 
>   Vista is clearly the way to go.  Linux is so bad, it can't even
>   istall 
> itself in close to 3 dozen attempts.

For you. but then you're "special."
 
>   It's an OS for Dung Eaters who wouldn't recognize a working PC if
>   they saw 
> one.

And I thought you liked Vista.

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 8:01:52 AM
On Thu 08 Feb 2007 11:13:18p, "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>,
wrote: 

> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
> worked. 

Pesky details, like putting the CD *in* the CD drive, are a bitch
aren't they. Too bad they can't make Linux idiot proof. 

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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2/9/2007 8:06:31 AM
I was busily flonking away in AUK, when The Goddess Eris Herself suddenly
made me reply to RonB:
> On Thu 08 Feb 2007 11:13:18p, "VistaEra" wrote:
> 
>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
>> worked.
> 
> Pesky details, like putting the CD *in* the CD drive, are a bitch aren't
> they. Too bad they can't make Linux idiot proof.

They did. They made it too difficult for him.

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2/9/2007 8:12:42 AM
Daniel Packman <pack@users.forethought.net> did eloquently scribble:
> In article <edUyh.23555$Un.9765@read2.cgocable.net>,
> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ......
>>Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.

> You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
> with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
> success.

They don't program computers to swing in trees yet... 
Do they?
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 8:54:37 AM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:

> "Dale Kelly" <dale.kelly@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> is the non-stable version of Ubuntu designed for beta testing

>  And even though it's crash prone, doens't operate, can't set up the
> network correctly, and has a host of other errors, some of which have been
> with Linux for over a decade

Name one.
(this should be fun)

Oh, and don't bother repeating the "buttons don't work until you've focussed
the application" one. That's not a bug, it's a feature. 
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 8:54:37 AM
RonB <ronb02@spamnogmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> On Fri 09 Feb 2007 12:06:32a, "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>,
> wrote: 

>> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>>> You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
>>> with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
>>> success.
>> 
>>   Vista is clearly the way to go.  Linux is so bad, it can't even
>>   istall 
>> itself in close to 3 dozen attempts.

> For you. but then you're "special."

I don't think I've ever seen anyone quite so "special".
And that's saying something when we have DFS, Erik, billwg, flatfish and all
the others to compare him to. 
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 8:54:37 AM
Odessa Sandwich <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> did eloquently scribble:
> In news:edUyh.23555$Un.9765@read2.cgocable.net,
> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a
>> failure.

> You couldn't get it up, you mean?

They have a problem, then they come here to complain rather than seeking
medical advice. Quite common with these M$ apologists.

No common sense.


>> When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.

> Yes, that's what you meant.

>> Then after a
>> manual reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a
>> program had crashed.

> A "manual" reboot, eh?

>> Networking is non functional.

> I'll bet you stuffed it up.

Indubitably

>> Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When
>> attempted it takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and
>> then sets the card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.

> Yes, you stuffed it up.

indubitably

>> No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.

> Well, that follows if you stuff it up.

>> Pretty much useless.

> 'Fraid so. Best top yourself, but not on the carpet.

Just... try not to be messy. Don't jump off a building, think of the poor
sod who has to clean you up afterwards.

>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
>> worked.

> You stuffed them all up!! My old dog could do better than you.

>> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.

> Says the cretin who couldn't get one Linux install out of over 30 to work! 
> You could try MS Vista... 

That would be fun. 
(for us to watch, not for him...)
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 8:54:37 AM
RonB <ronb02@spamnogmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> On Thu 08 Feb 2007 11:13:18p, "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>,
> wrote: 

>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
>> worked. 

> Pesky details, like putting the CD *in* the CD drive, are a bitch
> aren't they. Too bad they can't make Linux idiot proof. 

So THAT'S where he was going wrong... The picture on the CD goes in FACE
UP. (oh, the picture is the side that doesn't just have the pretty silvery
rainbow that shifts as you move it in the light and keeps him enthralled for
5 hours at a time)
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 8:54:38 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 01:12:42a, TransWench <popesnarky@meow.org>, wrote:

> I was busily flonking away in AUK, when The Goddess Eris Herself
> suddenly made me reply to RonB:
>> On Thu 08 Feb 2007 11:13:18p, "VistaEra" wrote:
>> 
>>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
>>> worked.
>> 
>> Pesky details, like putting the CD *in* the CD drive, are a bitch
>> aren't they. Too bad they can't make Linux idiot proof.
> 
> They did. They made it too difficult for him.

:~]

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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 9:32:13 AM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> > Excellent illustration.  Thanx.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> YW. You would not have followed the logic, however.

  Another Excellent illustration.  Thanx again.



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2/9/2007 10:04:36 AM
<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c3pt94-ncr.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> >  And even though it's crash prone, doens't operate, can't set up the
> > network correctly, and has a host of other errors, some of which have
been
> > with Linux for over a decade
>
> Name one.

In all versions of Linux that I have had the displeasure of seeing, going
back about 10 years when I first saw the first GUI's, if you have a window
pop up on the screen, and there happens to be a button drawn under your
existing mouse pointer, pressing the mouse button does not register a button
press even though it should.  You have to move the mouse pointer off the
button and then back on in order for a mouse click to register.

Stupid... Stupid... LinTurd.


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2/9/2007 10:07:18 AM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:07:18 -0500, VistaJustWorks did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote...
>> VistaEra did eloquently scribble:
>> >  And even though it's crash prone, doens't operate, can't set up the
>> > network correctly, and has a host of other errors, some of which have
> been
>> > with Linux for over a decade
>>
>> Name one.
> 
> In all versions of Linux that I have had the displeasure of seeing, going
> back about 10 years when I first saw the first GUI's, if you have a window
> pop up on the screen, and there happens to be a button drawn under your
> existing mouse pointer, pressing the mouse button does not register a
> button press even though it should.  You have to move the mouse pointer
> off the button and then back on in order for a mouse click to register.
> 
> Stupid... Stupid... LinTurd.

Feature.

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2/9/2007 10:07:45 AM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> There's no "normal" about you,

  Absolutely.  To be normal would be to be an unthinking ape.


"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Have a shit sandwhich.

  LinTards have so much dung between their fingers, toes and teeth that they
try to give it away free.  But even when it's free, no one wants to chew on
the Linux Shit Stick.

  Vista however, is working out quite well.



0
2/9/2007 10:10:35 AM

 "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >   Vista is clearly the way to go.  Linux is so bad, it can't even
> >   istall  itself in close to 3 dozen attempts.


"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> For you. but then you're "special."

  As must be everyone else around me who has reported the same problems with
Linux.  Inability to install itself, and large numbers of hardware failures
that cause the OS to be rapidly erased.

Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.


0
2/9/2007 10:12:45 AM
<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
> I don't think I've ever seen anyone quite so "special".

  As I said earlier Spike, I don't do little boys.  Particularly ones with
crap on their fingers and between their teeth.

  Now go have a bath.


0
2/9/2007 10:14:55 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> Like racing trees.

  Trees don't race well, but they do migrate.  North and up mostly these
days.


0
2/9/2007 10:15:47 AM
> > Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.

"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> You two have a lot in common, then.

  Don't hate me because I'm smarter than you are Ronnie.



0
2/9/2007 10:16:48 AM

"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
> > worked.

> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> Pesky details, like putting the CD *in* the CD drive, are a bitch
> aren't they. Too bad they can't make Linux idiot proof.

It's interesting you should mention that, because if I boot any version of
Linux with a CD in the DVD (slave) drive, Linux fails to recognize or mount
the disk, or display a desktop icon of the disk.

You have to manually mount the disk, or open and close the drive in order
for the OS to recognize that a disk is present.

Brain Dead..........


0
2/9/2007 10:19:22 AM
<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
> So THAT'S where he was going wrong... The picture on the CD goes in FACE
> UP.

  Press play and then the Linux OS goes Tit's up.


0
2/9/2007 10:21:52 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:12:45a, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

>  "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >   Vista is clearly the way to go.  Linux is so bad, it can't even
>> >   istall  itself in close to 3 dozen attempts.
> 
> 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> For you. but then you're "special."
> 
>   As must be everyone else around me who has reported the same
>   problems with 
> Linux.  Inability to install itself, and large numbers of hardware
> failures that cause the OS to be rapidly erased.
> 
> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.

Like I said, put the CD *in* the drive (label side up) and quit putting 
syrup on it -- it's not a pancake. You should have a lot better luck. 

Quite seriously, if truly can't manage to install Linux after 36 tries 
-- it's probably time for you to give up. It's really not rocket 
science.

You've heard this joke haven't you? New house, the buyer is going 
through the rooms telling the contractor what color he wants the walls. 
"We want light green walls in the living room with a white ceiling." 
The contractor walks to the window and yells "Green side up!" They go 
to a bedroom, "This is going to be our daughter's bedroom and she likes 
pink." The contractor walks to the window and yells, "Green side up!" 
"My wife wants the bathroom to be blue." The contractor yells out the 
window "Green side up!" The buyer finally jumps in. "Why do you keep 
saying 'green side up?' I said I wanted the bathroom to be blue." "I 
know," the contractor says, "but I've got some temp WinTrolls outside 
laying sod and I've to keep reminding them."   

-- 
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"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 10:23:51 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:15:47a, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> Like racing trees.
> 
>   Trees don't race well, but they do migrate.  North and up mostly
>   these 
> days.

Not much of a challenge for *most* people to race, though -- are they?

-- 
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"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 10:25:24 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:16:48a, "VistaJustWorks" 
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote:

> 
>> > Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
> 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> You two have a lot in common, then.
> 
>   Don't hate me because I'm smarter than you are Ronnie.

Apparently the "monumentally difficult" task of installing Linux is 
beyond you, so I'll give you an A+ for chutzpah, but an F- for your 
actual homework. 

Tell you what, I'll tie both of my frontal lobes behind my back to make 
it fair. Then *maybe* I won't be able to install Linux, just like you!

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 10:32:34 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:19:22a, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> It's interesting you should mention that, because if I boot any
> version of Linux with a CD in the DVD (slave) drive, Linux fails to
> recognize or mount the disk, or display a desktop icon of the disk.

Funny, not my experience. You *do* know it's label side up, right?
 
> You have to manually mount the disk, or open and close the drive in
> order for the OS to recognize that a disk is present.

LABEL - SIDE - UP!  Sheesh!
 
> Brain Dead..........

I'm sorry. But it's a pretty common ailment amongst WinTrolls. I'm sure 
you'll find somewhere where you "fit in" and they like "special" people 
like you. 

By the way, do you have self-esteem issues, or what? You're constantly 
flaunting your... umm... shortcomings on this newsgroup. Hey, not 
everyone is Einstein, get over it. 

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 10:38:11 AM

VistaJustWorks did the cha-cha, and
> > In all versions of Linux that I have had the displeasure of seeing,
going
> > back about 10 years when I first saw the first GUI's, if you have a
window
> > pop up on the screen, and there happens to be a button drawn under your
> > existing mouse pointer, pressing the mouse button does not register a
> > button press even though it should.  You have to move the mouse pointer
> > off the button and then back on in order for a mouse click to register.
> >
> > Stupid... Stupid... LinTurd.


"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corny> wrote
> Feature.

Shit Stick.....


0
2/9/2007 10:42:46 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> Like I said, put the CD *in* the drive (label side up) and quit putting
> syrup on it -- it's not a pancake. You should have a lot better luck.

  Sorry, the install failed.  Linux is at fault in every case, and you are
wrong about the disk being a pancake as well.


"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> Quite seriously, if truly can't manage to install Linux after 36 tries
> -- it's probably time for you to give up. It's really not rocket
> science.

  Ya, it's pretty pathetic that 36 different versions of the same OS have
failed to install on three different PC's.  Now add to it the 70 or so that
I know have failed on the machines of people I know.

  Ahahahahahahahaahahahahah... Now that's LinTurd Reliability.



0
2/9/2007 10:47:35 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:47:35a, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> Like I said, put the CD *in* the drive (label side up) and quit
>> putting syrup on it -- it's not a pancake. You should have a lot
>> better luck. 
> 
>   Sorry, the install failed.  Linux is at fault in every case, and
>   you are 
> wrong about the disk being a pancake as well.
 
That's alright, Senior Veesta. We know you tried.
 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> Quite seriously, if truly can't manage to install Linux after 36
>> tries -- it's probably time for you to give up. It's really not
>> rocket science.
> 
>   Ya, it's pretty pathetic that 36 different versions of the same OS
>   have 
> failed to install on three different PC's.  Now add to it the 70 or
> so that I know have failed on the machines of people I know.

Run with a "special" crowd, do you? Maybe you should all save up your 
allowance and pay the 9 year old down the block to help you the next 
time you're grappling with the "ever so difficult" task of installing 
Linux.

Of course it might mean putting off that purchase of those "keen-o" 
Spock ears you've all wanted so much for so long.

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 10:49:22 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote in message
> Not much of a challenge for *most* people to race, though -- are they?

  You seem to be very interested in tree racing.  Is this a common defect of
LinTurds that I have not before encountered?

Linux = shit stick.


0
2/9/2007 10:50:08 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:50:08a, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote in message
>> Not much of a challenge for *most* people to race, though -- are
>> they? 
> 
>   You seem to be very interested in tree racing.

I'm just trying to find something that you would find challenging, but
not too difficult. I'm afraid I may have aimed too high. 

I hear that some "special" folks like to watch paint peel. 

Just do it!

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 10:52:04 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> Apparently the "monumentally difficult" task of installing Linux is
> beyond you, so I'll give you an A+ for chutzpah, but an F- for your
> actual homework.

Lets, see, there is a menu option of 4 selections. One of which says
"Install to the HD"  I highlight it and press enter.

Installation procedes, and when it boots, I immedately get the error message
"An application has crashed.",  No networking support,   Menu selections not
keeping their settings, IP's settings not keeping their values.

It's a Brilliant work of LinTurdness.

Tell me Ronnie, should I not have pressed enter to install?  Is there some
Magic install key that LinTurds know about but the rest of us don't?

Ahahahahahahahahaha... Stupid, Shit Licking LinTurds.



0
2/9/2007 10:53:18 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> That's alright, Senior Veesta. We know you tried.

  The LinTard OS.  <2% market penetration and falling.

  Ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha   And the LinTards still can't figure out
why.



0
2/9/2007 11:01:21 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:53:18a, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 
 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> Apparently the "monumentally difficult" task of installing Linux is
>> beyond you, so I'll give you an A+ for chutzpah, but an F- for your
>> actual homework.
> 
> Lets, see, there is a menu option of 4 selections. One of which says
> "Install to the HD"  I highlight it and press enter.

Now, now... Let's not get ourselves all heated up. I know it's 
challenging and frustrating for you -- it's "not your fault" the world 
is so difficult. Feel free to lash out if that makes you feel better.  
 
> Installation procedes, and when it boots, I immedately get the error
> message "An application has crashed.",  No networking support,   Menu
> selections not keeping their settings, IP's settings not keeping
> their values. 

I've installed some 40 versions and/or releases of Linux -- never had 
one that didn't recognize the network card.

The key for me? LABEL - SIDE - UP! 
 
> It's a Brilliant work of LinTurdness.
> 
> Tell me Ronnie, should I not have pressed enter to install?  Is there
> some Magic install key 

Yeah, it's "magical." I put my CD in LABEL SIDE UP. Works every time.
 
> Ahahahahahahahahaha... Stupid, Shit Licking LinTurds.
 
Still projecting, I see. That's alright get it out -- let it all go. 
You're not paranoid. Someone *did* play a cruel cosmic joke on you. And 
that snickering you hear behind your back all the time? You're not 
imagining it -- it's really there. 

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 11:01:55 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> I'm just trying to find something that you would find challenging, but
> not too difficult. I'm afraid I may have aimed too high.
>
> I hear that some "special" folks like to watch paint peel.

  Or play Tux Pong, and the other 1970's and early 80's games that are
available for the Linux.

  Ahahahahahahahahahah..... Fucking LInTard Losers.



0
2/9/2007 11:03:03 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 04:03:03a, "VistaJustWorks" 
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote:

>  Or play Tux Pong, and the other 1970's and early 80's games that are
> available for the Linux.

So *that's* why you're so frustrated. I'm sorry. Maybe we can convince 
them to make it for Vista. Would that make you happy?

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 11:03:55 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 04:01:21a, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> That's alright, Senior Veesta. We know you tried.
> 
>   The LinTard OS.  <2% market penetration and falling.
> 
>   Ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha   And the LinTards still can't
>   figure out 
> why.

Yes, vent! Froth and rant -- that'll show 'em how brilliant you 
"really" are! Get out all that angst and those feelings of inferiority.  
Scream at the world. Tell them you're not taking it any-damned-more. 
This is good. You need this. 

Now go back to that "safe" OS that doesn't challenge you -- or mock 
you. It makes pretty little noises when you have to reboot it -- and 
you get to do that a lot, don't you? Fun, isn't it?  

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 11:11:40 AM
In news:1CXyh.23564$Un.12936@read2.cgocable.net,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>>> Excellent illustration.  Thanx.
>
>
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>> YW. You would not have followed the logic, however.
>
>  Another < THUMP!>

Get off, you mindless nincompoop. 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 11:31:00 AM
Odessa Sandwich wrote:

>In news:rZUyh.12296$4Q2.4891@read1.cgocable.net,
>VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>>> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>>>>  Fear is the mind killer.
>>
>> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>>> You'd be scared shitless, then?
>>
>>  Sandwiches don't frighten me.  Neither do spiders or LinTurds.
>
>Maybe, but someone or something put the fear of God into you. 

Stupid troll feeder.

*plonk*

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chrisv (22840)
2/9/2007 1:57:46 PM
RonB wrote:

>On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:53:18a, "VistaJustWorks"
><BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

*plonk* for troll feeding

0
chrisv (22840)
2/9/2007 1:58:26 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:

> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> Apparently the "monumentally difficult" task of installing Linux is
>> beyond you, so I'll give you an A+ for chutzpah, but an F- for your
>> actual homework.

> Lets, see, there is a menu option of 4 selections. One of which says
> "Install to the HD"  I highlight it and press enter.

You seem to have a knoppix fixation
Describe some of these mythical problems you had with the "Other 36 distros"
you tried. Or was it with knoppix each time and you just got confused?

KNOPPIX IS A BOOTABLE CD DISTRO! IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE INSTALLED!
THEY ONLY INCLUDE THAT OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY REALLY LIKE IT (which
you plainly don't).

GET OVER IT.

> Installation procedes, and when it boots, I immedately get the error message
> "An application has crashed.",  No networking support,   Menu selections not
> keeping their settings, IP's settings not keeping their values.

Ahhh diddums.
Knoppix != linux. Linux is a generic term for every distribution of the
kernel and assiciated tools. If one doesn't work, you try another. If you
insist on installing it, you choose one DESIGNED TO BE INSTALLED.

> It's a Brilliant work of LinTurdness.

Your stupidity is boundless.

> Tell me Ronnie, should I not have pressed enter to install?  

Nope, you shouldn't.
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 2:04:50 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:

> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:c3pt94-ncr.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>> >  And even though it's crash prone, doens't operate, can't set up the
>> > network correctly, and has a host of other errors, some of which have
> been
>> > with Linux for over a decade
>>
>> Name one.

> In all versions of Linux that I have had the displeasure of seeing, going
> back about 10 years when I first saw the first GUI's, if you have a window
> pop up on the screen, and there happens to be a button drawn under your
> existing mouse pointer, pressing the mouse button does not register a button
> press even though it should.

Incapable of reading I see.
I said DON'T use the "buttons don't work until the window has focus".

Dumber by the minute, the lot of them.
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 2:04:51 PM
chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> did eloquently scribble:
> RonB wrote:

>>On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:53:18a, "VistaJustWorks"
>><BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> *plonk* for troll feeding

Ah come on, it's sometimes amusing to see them tie themselves in knots.
They're too stupid to come up with anything original and they can't even
keep their lies consistent half the time.

Spoilsport.
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 2:09:57 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a failure.

FOAD you twelve-year-old.

In any case, Feisty is beta still, and unreleased. At the very least, try
trolling with actual released versions.

-- 
JDS

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jeffrey9281 (297)
2/9/2007 3:11:00 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:04:50 +0000, spike1 wrote:

> You seem to have a knoppix fixation
> Describe some of these mythical problems you had with the "Other 36 distros"
> you tried. Or was it with knoppix each time and you just got confused?

It doesn't matter. It is all just trolling. Everything anyone here with
the handle "*vista*" says is pretty much made up when it comes to things
they say about Linux. So ignore or killfile and move on, I say.

-- 
JDS

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jeffrey9281 (297)
2/9/2007 3:14:05 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.

But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here care
one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux (in your
oh-so-very-articulate way)?

Are you lonely?

Do you not have any friends?

Are you in a wheelchair and can't go outside?

Um, maybe you are only twelve (thirteen, maybe) and mommy doesn't realize
that you have been mucking about on the Internet. What is your mommy's
name and phone number so we can tell her to put some restrictions on you?

Um, maybe you need a girlfriend? (Or boyfriend -- you *could* be gay, but
you are almost certainly not a girl).

Ah! I get it! You *are* homosexual and you are frustrated by your
inability to come to terms with this fact, and you are venting your
frustration by trolling COLA.  Weird. Ususally frustrated closet
homosexuals just beat up other gays. Maybe you should try that.

Well, whatever it is, it ain't workin' for me. I mean, you can't even
spell, and you have a pretty limited range of arguments.

bye!

-- 
JDS

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jeffrey9281 (297)
2/9/2007 3:20:02 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:54:37 +0000, spike1 wrote:

> I don't think I've ever seen anyone quite so "special".
> And that's saying something when we have DFS, Erik, billwg, flatfish and all
> the others to compare him to.

For real. VJW/VE or "*Vista*" or whatever he's called is in a class on his
own.

-- 
JDS

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jeffrey9281 (297)
2/9/2007 3:21:30 PM
spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:

>chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> did eloquently scribble:
>> RonB wrote:
>
>>>On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:53:18a, "VistaJustWorks"
>>><BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 
>
>> *plonk* for troll feeding
>
>Ah come on, it's sometimes amusing to see them tie themselves in knots.
>They're too stupid to come up with anything original and they can't even
>keep their lies consistent half the time.
>
>Spoilsport.

Sorry.  I know trolls can be fun, but I think that there should be a
minimum level of quality before a troll is worthy of a response.
Calling yourself "VistaKing" and saying "Linux is a shitstick" falls
below that line.

I'll give RonB another chance.  Not that he cares...

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chrisv (22840)
2/9/2007 3:29:06 PM
JDS wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:54:37 +0000, spike1 wrote:
> 
>> I don't think I've ever seen anyone quite so "special".
>> And that's saying something when we have DFS, Erik, billwg, flatfish and
>> all the others to compare him to.
> 
> For real. VJW/VE or "*Vista*" or whatever he's called is in a class on his
> own.
> 

At least he has convinced me some time ago that a killfile in cola might not
be that bad idea after all.
He now happily sits there with Snot, yttrx and "cc"
Others will follow quite probably

It is really amazing what accumulated stupidity can be present in windows
users. I currently favour the thinking that you actually have to be
incredible stupid if you are a windows-only user. And our resident widiots
certainly bolster that just nicely
-- 
The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them 
to choose from.                 -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

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Peter.Koehlmann (13228)
2/9/2007 3:39:05 PM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<edUyh.23555$Un.9765@read2.cgocable.net>:

> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a 
failure.
> 

So it didnt install? You said you finished installing.
Which is it?

> When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.  Then after a 
manual
> reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a program had
> crashed.
> 
Its not ment to run on your 386...

> Networking is non functional.
> Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When 
attempted it
> takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and then sets the
> card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.
> 

Huh...you said it didnt install and crashed. How'd you get to see 
networking then?
Hmmmm...LIE much?
:)


> No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.
> 
> Pretty much useless.
>
Get a P4 and give it a go...the 386 is kinda useless.
 
> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has 
worked.
> 

Try minux...it might run on your 386...

> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
> 
Its free. Whose forcing you to use it?
If you're too stupid to figure out how to config x-windows better stick 
to yer microsucking :)

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/9/2007 3:54:14 PM
JDS <jeffrey@invalid.address> did eloquently scribble:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:04:50 +0000, spike1 wrote:

>> You seem to have a knoppix fixation
>> Describe some of these mythical problems you had with the "Other 36 distros"
>> you tried. Or was it with knoppix each time and you just got confused?

> It doesn't matter. It is all just trolling. Everything anyone here with
> the handle "*vista*" says is pretty much made up when it comes to things
> they say about Linux. So ignore or killfile and move on, I say.

Everything said here by people with the handle *vista* is said by the same
person anyway. It's not hard to spot. The lack of style, the lintard-speak,
etc. This moron couldn't pretend to be someone else if someone put a gun to
his head.
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spike1 (8171)
2/9/2007 3:58:20 PM
In article <7%Uyh.12297$4Q2.8934@read1.cgocable.net>,
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> You would be better off getting your computers preconfigured
>> with an OS and explore other areas where you might have greater
>> success.
>
>  Vista is clearly the way to go.  Linux is so bad, it can't even istall
>itself in close to 3 dozen attempts.

With your obviously limited expertise, a preinstalled OS is clearly
better for you. Linux, Vista or some other OS can be preinstalled by
a computer professional. Modern operating systems can all handily allow
you to browse the web, use email and play media. If you need to do more,
you should consider taking some classes or hiring a tutor.



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pack9 (88)
2/9/2007 4:27:21 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a failure.
> 
> When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.  Then after a manual
> reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a program had
> crashed.
> 
> Networking is non functional.
> Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When attempted it
> takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and then sets the
> card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.
> 
> No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.
> 
> Pretty much useless.
> 
> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.
> 
> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.

You must be a friggin' idiot. I've done about four dozen installs now, and
never had one fail!!

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ray65 (5421)
2/9/2007 4:59:09 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, RonB
<ronb02@spamNOgmail.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:32:34 +0000 (UTC)
<Xns98D22341BFFB2ezboard1lycoscom@news.datemas.de>:
> On Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:16:48a, "VistaJustWorks" 
> <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote:
>
>> 
>>> > Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
>> 
>> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>>> You two have a lot in common, then.
>> 
>>   Don't hate me because I'm smarter than you are Ronnie.
>
> Apparently the "monumentally difficult" task of installing Linux is 
> beyond you, so I'll give you an A+ for chutzpah, but an F- for your 
> actual homework. 
>
> Tell you what, I'll tie both of my frontal lobes behind my back to make 
> it fair. Then *maybe* I won't be able to install Linux, just like you!
>

This is why Vista wins (FSVO).  It's preinstalled and
therefore the task of installing it, difficult or not
(and yttrx in particular suggests that Vista will have
a *lot* of reboots), is pushed somewhere else, allowing
VistaJustWorks or equivalent morons to just plug in the
machine and get infected.  Simple!

(Even simpler when one factors in things such as Norton
Ghost; construct the master image once, then schlep it on
millions of machines.  Linux's equivalent of course is
a variant of 'dd', 'gunzip', or just good old 'cp'.)

Fortunately, there are a few hardware vendors out there
who will sell a preinstalled Linux machine.

Unfortunately, one has to know where to look.  This may be
where marketing wins...and Linux loses.  I'll admit I'm
not sure whether I should root for RedHat here or not.

Followups.

-- 
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Does anyone else remember the 1802?

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 5:28:05 PM
In article <pan.2007.02.09.16.59.07.408087@zianet.com>,
ray  <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:
>
....... 
>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.
>> 
>> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
>
>You must be a friggin' idiot. I've done about four dozen installs now, and
>never had one fail!!


Now there is no need to be unkind. There are many people who have
great difficulty with computers but have abilities in other areas.


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pack9 (88)
2/9/2007 5:38:59 PM
ray came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago in
comp.os.linux.advocacy:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:
> 
>> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a
failure.
>> 
>> When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.  Then after a manual
>> reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a program had
>> crashed.
>> 
>> Networking is non functional.
>> Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When attempted it
>> takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and then sets the
>> card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.
>> 
>> No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.
>> 
>> Pretty much useless.
>> 
>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.
>> 
>> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
> 
> You must be a friggin' idiot. I've done about four dozen installs now, and
> never had one fail!!

I have installs going on every single day*. Very few failures; what failures
I do have are generally down to faulty hardware.

*I'm counting diskless cluster nodes here as well as full-on desktop
installs, so you could literally say I've done thousands of installs over
the last year alone.
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james199 (2531)
2/9/2007 5:56:11 PM
Jim wrote:
>
> I have installs going on every single day*. Very few failures; what
> failures I do have are generally down to faulty hardware.
>
> *I'm counting diskless cluster nodes here as well as full-on desktop
> installs, so you could literally say I'm full of shit.


Corrected as required.




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2/9/2007 6:01:09 PM
Melissa Cason came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment
ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:


> Corrected as required.

fuck off troll.
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   o'er many a strange and spurious site of hot XXX galore.
   But when I clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning,
   and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my lost amore.
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   Quoth the server: "404"
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james199 (2531)
2/9/2007 6:15:30 PM
JDS wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:04:50 +0000, spike1 wrote:
> 
>> You seem to have a knoppix fixation
>> Describe some of these mythical problems you had with the "Other 36
>> distros" you tried. Or was it with knoppix each time and you just got
>> confused?
> 
> It doesn't matter. It is all just trolling. Everything anyone here with
> the handle "*vista*" says is pretty much made up when it comes to things
> they say about Linux. So ignore or killfile and move on, I say.
> 
I was going to Kill File but its nice to have a village idiot, and I have
not laughed so hard for a long time, I actually think this guy thinks he
has an understanding of IT systems, I really like how he thinks M$ as an OS
is a system Linux Window Managers should emulate.

What would life be like with idiots, I have a vision of him with his soft
drink can wedged in his DVD drive, and 36 various distos bulging out of his
CD drive, with his mother cutting up and feeding him pizza slices, telling
him how clever he is, and yes he can use her PC now its been fixed again,
but only to talk to those nice people in the Linux Advocacy group, because
Advocacy sounds like something clever people are good at.

Jem..
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freya1 (101)
2/9/2007 6:48:20 PM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> > Get off, you mindless nincompoop.

  I smell Turd.   Go wash your hands Odessa, yo uhave wiped yourself wrong
again.



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2/9/2007 8:13:46 PM
"JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
> For real. VJW/VE or "*Vista*" or whatever he's called is in a class on his
> own.

  Given my 160-180 IQ, it just stands to reason that my class would be so
small.



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2/9/2007 8:16:22 PM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 01:16:22p, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> 
> "JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
>> For real. VJW/VE or "*Vista*" or whatever he's called is in a class
>> on his own.
> 
>   Given my 160-180 IQ, it just stands to reason that my class would
>   be so 
> small.

You've misplaced the decimal point. (Windows doesn't handle math that 
well, either.)

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/9/2007 8:25:01 PM
VistaEra wrote:

> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a failure.
> 
> When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.  Then after a manual
> reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a program had
> crashed.
> 
> Networking is non functional.
> Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When attempted it
> takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and then sets the
> card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.
> 
> No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.
> 
> Pretty much useless.
> 
> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.
> 
> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
> 
> 

Turn on the computer first.
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Sun137 (1209)
2/9/2007 9:21:49 PM
In news:5x4zh.12333$4Q2.3292@read1.cgocable.net,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>
>  I smell Turd.

Simple diagnosis - short back. 


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pearl1 (25)
2/9/2007 10:49:39 PM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Simple diagnosis - short back.

  You haven't washed yet.....



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2/10/2007 12:48:57 AM
<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
> No common sense.

Linux - The never ready OS.

Every once and a while I get the urge to check out the Linux Operating
system. I've never been fully happy with Microsoft Windows and never happy
with Microsoft as a company, and I am eager to switch to an OS which
provides good or better performance and utility than experienced with
Microsoft windows.

Linux gets the most hype and while MacOS and Solaris are also potential
candidates, they always lose out because 1. MacOS comes from a flake company
who don't really produce computers, they produce Ipods, and Solaris has even
a smaller user base than Linux and only runs on a very limited number of
motherboards.  So, I almost always end up auditing Linux.

I first saw Linux back in the 486 era when it was barely a year old.  It was
running on a 486 and was pleased to see how fast it managed to list it's
directories compared to the speed of DOS on my 386.  However it was clear
even at that time, that Linux would never be a challenge to Microsoft DOS.
This was obvious because Linux was developing into nothing more than a Unix
clone, and Unix had been completely rejected in favour of Microsoft DOS by
the desktop computing community.

Typing a few commands into the Linux console, and watching the shell spit
out cryptic and incomprehensible error messages made me laugh out loud I
remember, I then turned off the machine and walk away in complete and utter
disgust at the lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.  Yes they really
had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that couldn't even
compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

A few years later, I abandoned the DOS command line, in favour of the vastly
superior Windows 95 GUI - having successfully ignored all earlier versions
of Microsoft Windows, as the earliest Windows offerings were also completely
unusable and unstable.

I gave Linux another shot at impressing me again that year, and once again I
was presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic
retards...

When X-windows for Linux arrived, I gave the OS another shot.  X11 had the
potential of competing with Microsoft windows in terms of ease of use - if
implemented correctly.  I noted however, that after booting the X11 server
from the command line, that what was presented was a graphical desktop from
which multiple command line shells would be presented in a nice overlapping
manner.  It was a hollow desktop with no icon to file mapping, no desktop
management, no device control, no computer management functions - other than
those that were managed via command line and with each of those shells I was
presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  But now the output was directed toward
overlapping text windows.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

It wasn't all command line though, there were a host of screen savers for
the OS, and I decided to check out it's graphic potential by running through
those.  20% of them either failed to run, or crashed, with several taking
out the entire OS.

I laughed and turned the machine off.  Retards I said to myself... Pathetic
retards...

It's now about 5 years later and I've just given Linux yet another attempt
to impress me, and impress upon me why I should keep it on my computer.
I've given it a good shot, not simply seconds or minutes, or even an hour
like the last time, but a full month or so of effort - when I have had the
time and patients.

The results are in.  Linux - while considerably improved over it's crash
prone past, is still a very, very long way from usability, and offers
essentially <zero> challenge to Microosft Windows.

The Linux Desktop is now much more than a simple means of managing multiple
text based terminal windows.  Kudo's to the various desktop developers of
KDE and Gnome.

In many respects the desktop I have become familiar with (KDE) is as good as
the desktop supplied with W95.  But in many ways it's also inferior, and
suffers from a variety of problems - consistancy being one, completeness
being another.

Linux however, is still a command line driven environment.  Try as they
might the various providers of Linux, with all thier incompatible tinkering,
have yet to provide a version of the OS, where you can avoid decending to
the same incredably hostile and brain dead command line environment whose
stench permiates ever previous version of Unix/Linux.

What the Linux community has done is try and hide the pathetic command line
from view.  But they just can't seem to manage to get it right.  They can't
make it go away completely.  For example, click on the start menu and what
happens?  Why a hidden commmand line is processed and a graphical
application invoked.  But that application is probably just a graphical
front end which itself creates and passes along a command line to the actual
program that is to be run. Many of the smaller Linux programs are written
like this, although there are some full fledged applcations that are fully
integrated.

But ok, I said to myself, dealing with Unix command line filth has been
minimized, so maybe I can live with that.  Maybe I can adjust to an
environment where graphical shells are slapped on top of command line
interfaces, and where a command appropriately labeled find in the shell, is
ultimately mapped onto some command called PinkiBoingo in some randomly
assigned executable directory.  But then again, maybe not.

I started auditing Linux on a brand new Duel Core Athelon machine running an
Nvidia chipset, and I was keen to see how an aledgedly efficient OS would
fly on multiple cores.  Alas, I never managed to find out, because in the
half dozen x86 versions of Linux I installed on that machine, none managed
to function well enough to serve as a testable platform.  In fact most
wouldn't install at all.   Some couldn't find the network card, which made
installing other applications impossible.  Some didnt' recognize the Nvidia
Video chipset, and while one version actually defaulted to VESA video it
failed to provide a mouse pointer making pointing to anything on the screen
somewhat difficult.

Eventually in the case of the lost mouse pointer, I found out that I could
edit a random text file with some random title, and alter a randomly named
switch so that a software cursor would be used instead of the hardware
cursor that wasn't working, but after that networking problems became
clearer, and eventually after installing an MP3 codec, the OS just had a
kernel panic and that Linux install was dead, quickly replaced with a
version of Windows 2000 which installed flawlessly, runs flawlessly and
supports the duel core Athelon quite nicely.

I religated Linux to my older machine at this point and installed a version
of RedHat Linux first.  At this point I was looking to create a stable Linux
environment that could be used for casual computing with some development
tools so I could audit the OS more thoughly.

No Joy with Redhat.  Working environment was too poor.
No Joy with Ubuntu.  The inability to log on as Admin displeased me greatly.
No Joy with Susie.   It just pissed me off due to lack of any codec support
like all the others.
Then there was Freespire.

I much prefer Freespire's philosophy of providing the user with some
multimedia capability out of the box, even though the codecs and
applications may be propriatory.  And Freespire installed with Windows
networking compatability turned on and capable of immediately connecting to
a windows network.   Joy....

Joy yes, but joy only for so long.

Freespire is by far the best version of Linux I have yet to audit (What do
you do with Linux? You install it.) Networking works, XMMS is easy enough to
install, and if you don't there is always real player.  It plays many video
file formats without any hastles, and the user interface of version 1.0 is
actually quite good.  VLC is generally available but isn't as good as the
Windows version.

"Maybe", I found myself thinking as I toured the OS surface, it's time to
emmigrate from the often quirky and always inefficient state of Microsoft to
the shiny new land of Linux and what appeared to be it's newly reformed
Linspire ideology.

Well, it's not quite so easy as that.

The first thing I noticed, is that my networking card - which is a 10/100
card is only operating at 10 Mbps.  Ok Ill reconfigure that.  I saw a device
manager in here somewhere, lets get going.

Several hours later I conclude that there is no real device manager, even in
Freespire.  In the other versions of the Linux OS, a device manager is
supplied...   Well the program calls itself a device manager, but in
actuality there is no ability to manage any devices from these utilities.
Oh, they may list device properties, but they provide no management
functions.  Brilliant!

Need to change a buffer location or size, force an interrupt, turn on DMA?
Device manager tells you where they are, what their size is, but provides no
ability to change any parameter.  Absolutely brilliant.

Need to manually set the speed of your Network Card?  Device manager might
tell you it's current operating speed, but provides no means of actually
altering the speed.

Linspire differs primarily in the honesty with which it announces it's
device reporting utility.  It doesn't use the word "manager" in the title
since the program - like all the other Linux device utilities, provide no
management functions at all.

Ok. So I tell myself, I'll live with a slower than necessary Network card
for the moment.  It's not a big deal, lets play some MP3's and relax.  Hmmm,
the audio level appears to be very low, lets adjust it up.  No Joy.  It's
only when I reach the upper two "notches" of the volume control does the
volume of the output sound noticabely increase.  Also, when the volume is
finally changed, the sound levels are now dramatically disproportionate
between the left and right channel,   Hmmmm.  There is a problem with the
sound mixer.

Ok so I grab another sound mixer from the net, and off I go.  Same problem.
So I grab another... Same problem.  And another.  Same problem...

Obvously there is some underlying problem with the sound driver, and not the
mxier control applets themselves.

So I play around with the various mixer controls, playing with the say -
microphone control and having the left side of the master volume control cut
in and out, and finally come across a series of settings which is
acceptable.

Ok I think to myself, this is a little bit of a pain, but I can live with
it.  Who knows, someone might fix it, and once I get some development tools
installed, I might fix it myself.  Time to move on.

Soon after I notice that while trying to compose some text via a supplied
text editor that I can not insert text.  The insert button on my keyboard
has been brilliantly removed in place of an expanded delete key.  To insert
I now must use the insert key on the numeic keyboard - prssing Shift-0
(insert).

Doesn't work. Pressing Shift Insert doesn't work.  Hmm, no insert?  I seem
to remember it working yesterday when I tried it.  Shift-0 again.  "0"
appears under my cursor.

Hmmmmm.  This worked yesterday - why not today?  Must be something set
differently.  So I try toggling the numlock state.  Sure enough insert
works.  But it only works when the numlock state is active. In other words
when the insert key is <not> supposed to be mapped to the number 0.  So the
key state is inverted to that used by windows.  Another Linux bug.

Brilliant I tells ya.. brilliant.

I can put up with this variance as well. Ok.  I'm beginning to feel a bit
soiled by the OS now, but maybe there must are better things to come I tell
myself.

Ok on to installing a development environment.

After a little bit of research it appears that there are only two viable
integrated development environments for Linux. Well only 1 really.  That
environment is RealBasic.

Faster than I can type Shazam I'm at the RealBasic website downloading the
latest PD version of their programming environment.  It looks quit promising
with it's visual studio style and gizmo's and such.  Visual Studio for
Windows is a truly excellent development environment for Microsoft Windows,
and I would truly be impressed if it were duplicated in the Linux community.

Once the program has been received and installed, I start it and am indeed
immediately greated with a GUI interface. Most excellent.  Within a few
seconds I have a new form in the main window and from the tool bar I select
a button to add to the form.  Most excellent I think to myself, pondering
how well the language will optimize.  Clicking on the form and dragging a
outlign box for the button to be enclosed in however immediately shows a
very, very major problem.  It takes almost a full second between releasing
the mouse button to when the button actually appears on the form.  Resizing
is equally sluggins, taking between .5 seconds and 1 full second...  This is
on a 1.1 Ghz machine operating at just slightly more than 1 operation per
second.

How can you possibly burn over a billion cycles of CPU time just to draw a
button in a window?  Holy smoke.  What's wrong with that picture?

At first I thought it was some sort of post installation inefficiency
madness, turding the application. So I shut down and restarted with exactly
the same results.

The delays are such that it is very difficult to actually resize any of the
tools  Clicks don't get processed and are difficult to release before they
are considered a click and hold operations.

Not good.  Do I start to drag immediately, and drag the cursor out of the
item selected before it's selected (sometimes) or do I wait?  Horrible.

After a little research I find that RealBasic is actually written in
RealBasic.  Which is cool enough, but exactly pinpoints the reason the UI is
so sluggish.  The RealBasic compiler isn't up to snuff - and probably
neither is the language.

The minimum recommended requirement for the langauge is a 1.5 Ghz pentium. I
had an order of magnitude better performance running Microsoft Developer
studio on a half gigabyte PC.  How can anything like this be written so
inefficiently?  The mind boggles.

With that realization RealBasic was quickly erased from existance.

The next morning when I awoke I found that even though I had shut the Linux
box off, the mouse attached to the machine continued to power it's laser LED
at full brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under Linux
isn't working properly either.

Moving on I note that there is a version of KDevelop that has already been
installed with the OS.  It's not an integrated environment, but it does have
a GUI editor, so I can potentially use that.

Now either the install of KDevelop was broken or something in the RealBasic
installation must have boinked KDevelop because while the environment runs
and provides a text based interface, it can't compile anything.  Some error
messages regarding missing files are printed.

Ok I think to myself "The rate at which Linux is shitting on itself is
increasing."  Might as well try a borland package to see how it works.
Borland has an integrated development environment called Kylix that is
downloadable and looks promising.

Shazam It's downloaded and installed.  But during the install it asks me for
the paths to two file sets that haven't been installed.  qt something or
other and some file set called <meaninglessname>.

Ok, I'll install the <meaninglessname> files via apt-get and then try to run
again.  No Go, <meaninglessname> doesn't appear in a web search and it's not
in the Debian repository.  But <meaninglessname>3 is.  So, I download that.

Reinstalling I am again told that <meaninglessname> doesn't exist and I am
requested to provide a path to it.

But where did the apt-get put the file?  Grep, grep gRep, nothing found.
Now isn't that interesting.  Can't find the file set because they don't have
the same name as the set name, and I haven't been told where they are.

Ok, Maybe I should just go the the Debian repository and install from there.
No go, the file doesn't exist there.  Ok, well maybe I'll uninstall it and
try again.

Nope, the uninstall script doesn't work, and in fact hardly appears to be a
valid script.  Looks like random hash.

When I invoke the uninstall script, It terminates without performing any
operation and without an error or status report.  It ends abruptly as if it
were never executed as far as I can tell.  The application is still
installed.

The Linux ShitPile is growing quite high at this point.

A little research leads me to the Borland site where I am instructed to use
the GNU C compiler to compile the documentation for the application.  Why in
the world would anyone need a C compiler to compile their documentation..
Documentation isn't an executable.

Click - Master power switch on the PC power supply is turned off,
insufficient respect remains for me to wait for the OS to unload itself. If
I didn't have a UPS on the machine I would have just pulled the power cord
from the wall.  Linux is shut down for the rest of the evening.  My head
shaking in disgust.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic, pathetic
retards...

And on and on it goes.  This Linux application doesn't work, that
application won't load, the other one just has no desktop shortcut
installed, yet another executes apparently but doesn't provde even open a
window.  But it still remains running and soaking up system resources.
Files missing in this install, that install took down the entire OS, This
install requires to be installed as root, but the installer doesn't support
that feature.  Etc.. Etc... Etc... My head shaking in disgust.  Retards I
said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

So after a dozen or so OS installs and with each version failing critically
at some point, or failing to provide a usable environment, I decided to
celebrated my Linix experiment by straping a couple of M90's to my pile of
Linux install disks and blow them all up.

A few strays were nuked in my microwave, and they made a very pretty
sparklie effect as they died.
For good measure I melted a couple with a propane torch and kept a couple as
tea cup coasters.

So long to Linux, the Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
15 years in development and as much a piece of shit as ever.











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2/10/2007 12:49:58 AM
<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
> I said DON'T use the "buttons don't work until the window has focus".

  Stupid Shit Licking LinTard.

 Clicking on the button should give both the parent window and the button
focus.

  Linux is just one incompetent failure piled on top of another.




0
2/10/2007 12:51:43 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote in message
> You've misplaced the decimal point.

  I don't have an IQ of 1600 Ron.  But if we were to linearly rescale scale
so that yours was 100, then maybe.....



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2/10/2007 12:53:26 AM
"JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote in message
> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here care
> one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux (in your
> oh-so-very-articulate way)?

  I have stated so multiple time, are you incapable of understanding.

  I am no fan of Windows, and no fan of DRM, and no fan of Microsoft.

  Linux has been the best thing to happen ot Microsoft ever.  Linux/Unix is
completely Incompetent competition that has prohibited in large measure any
real competition to Microsoft being developed.

  Linux is the filth that keeps Microsoft on top.

  And Linux FuckTards are the enablers for the entire mess.  A group of
incompetents who have done immesurable damage to the computing industry.

  Linux/Unix is Poison.

  Pure Poison...



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2/10/2007 12:58:07 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> With your obviously limited expertise, a preinstalled OS is clearly
> better for you.

In other words the LinTard solution to the inability of Linux to support
standard hardware is to purchase new hardware that the OS does support.
Purchas a new PC.

Yet at the same time the LinTards are complaining about Vista because of the
dishonest claim that Vista needs hardware upgrades in order to run.

And again at the same time that the Tards claim that Linux is less expensive
because you don't need expensive hardware updates.

Stupid... Stupid... LinTards...


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2/10/2007 1:02:47 AM
In news:3z8zh.23634$Un.12202@read2.cgocable.net,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> typed:
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>> Simple diagnosis - short back.
>
>  You haven't washed yet.....

Not my dog. 


0
pearl1 (25)
2/10/2007 1:04:34 AM
 "VistaJustWorks"
> >  Or play Tux Pong, and the other 1970's and early 80's games that are
> > available for the Linux.


"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> So *that's* why you're so frustrated. I'm sorry. Maybe we can convince
> them to make it for Vista. Would that make you happy?

  TardBoy confuses laughter for frustration.  Ahahahahahahahahahaha

  Microsoft only need clone the Tard API and then all is history for the
LinTard OS.

  You will be crushed like bugs soon enough.



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2/10/2007 1:11:49 AM
<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
> Ah come on, it's sometimes amusing to see them tie themselves in knots.
> They're too stupid to come up with anything original and they can't even
> keep their lies consistent half the time.

  Yup, LinTards are pretty stupid.

  Why else would they run the Tard OS?


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2/10/2007 1:13:16 AM
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> Calling yourself "VistaKing" and saying "Linux is a shitstick" falls
> below that line.


The future of desktop computing
-------------------------------

  Currently one company - Microsoft - controls 98% of the desktop OS market,
as a result, one company - Microsoft - will largely determine how desktop
computing will evolve over the coming decades.  Visualizing the future of
desktop computing is mostly then a matter of determining what Microsoft has
planned.

  Given the openly stated goals of Microsoft, their current designs, their
necessary corporate interest to stay viable, and given the current roadmaps
from the hardware industry, future trends in desktop computing are now
reasonably self evident.

  20 years ago I remember reading that Intel had concluded that a 20 Mhz 386
provided the minimum amount of compute power to manage a word processor.
Excluding the fact that word processors had been available for even 1 mhz
6502 machines, what Intel was referring to was hardware that was capable of
running through a GUI which utilized bit mapped graphics for character
display.

  Be this, a reasonable measure of required CPU horsepower or not, lets
adopt this measure as a standard fora moment, and see how current machines
stack up.

  Currently most PC desktops are running CPU's that are somewhat faster
versions of the 386.  20 times faster in terms of raw clock speed, and
around 4+ time faster in instruction cycle efficiencies.  So roughly then
current average machines provide 100 times the power needed to run a word
processor.

  Machines that are currently being sold are faster still, with the typical
machine now being a duel core 2500 Mhz CPU.  These machines are 12 times
faster than the average machines that exist today, or roughly 1,200 faster
than is needed to run a word processor. Yet the average person uses their PC
for word processing and some web browsing.  Hardly Compute intensive
applications.

  The average PC, provides more computing power than a super computers could
provide 15 years ago. Where is all the underlying compute power going?


  Well, it's largely unused.  Any windows user can simply pull up a version
of Task Manager, and use it to see the amount of time being used by each
registered process.  System Idle is typically 99% or higher, and this figure
represents the amount of time the PC is sitting and twiddling it's thumbs
waiting for something to do.

  Virtually all CPU power on a PC goes unused.

  Now this is not always the case.  Video games - particularly those that
provide 3d imersive environments require huge computing power, and in some
instances, depending on the codec, video playback does as well.  The amount
of time required by Audio playback these days however, doesn't even register
in task manager.

  There are some other less common PC functions that require huge amounts of
compute time as well.  Video transcoding, real time event management like
digital video capture, and sound studio applications for the production of
music.  But outside of those odd uses, the CPU remains more or less idle.

  These idle cycles can be and increasingly are exploited by programs such
as "Seti@Home" and it's variants, which utilize in one manner or another the
unused cycles to perform data analysis, or run models of scientific
interest.  Seti@Home was the pioneers of such programs and is used to
analyze radio signals for evidence of intelligent transmissions from other
planets.  Other programs are analyzing the human genome, computing protein
folding analysis, etc.




Future hardware
---------------

  Compute hardware already at the stage where PC's with 1,200 times the
minimum CPU horsepower to run a GUI based word processor now comprise
mainstream sales.  Still, hardware manufacturers are hard at work to
increase that speed factor even more.

  Both ATI and Intel are already prototyping quad core CPU's, AMD is talking
about 16 Core CPU's and Intel has just fabricated an 80 core prototype CPU
that it claims will produce terraflop (modern super computer) data
processing capability by 2012.

  Lets take a 32 core CPU as the maximum that will be commonly used by a
future desktop user.  I justify this based on the fact that there is no
limits seen in the appetite consumers have for faster CPU's and there is no
resistance to the concept of 4 or 16 core CPU's. So it seems reasonable that
32 core CPU's will also see little or no impediment.

  Roughly speaking then, we can expect in reasonably short order - say a
decade, compute speeds on the desktop to exceed, by a factor of 40,000 the
minimum speed to run a word processor.

  Desktop machines are already fast, but they will become immensely faster.

  Modern machines are now easily capable of managing a complex (and
inefficient) windowing API such as Microsoft windows, with ease.  Run
several major applications at once, and suffer no obvious slowdowns.

  In short order these machines will be about 100 times faster than the
average machine today.

  How will this extra compute power be used?



Looking for problems
--------------------

  For years, Intel and Microsoft have been actively looking for ways to
utilize the huge amount of computing power that modern computer hardware
provides.  Intel by looking for areas where CPU's can be employed to replace
discrete hardware, or just solve problems, and Microsoft at areas where
software features that were once impractical and inconceivable are now
conceivable and practical.

  In Microsoft Windows, features have tracked available compute power.  As
an example, simple bitmapped text has become True Type fonts.  Simple AscII
text has become Unicode.  Screen resolutions have increased from 640x480
pixels to 2048x1024 pixels.  PC's are now connected on line 24x7 via
Microsoft messenger, and actively monitor for web page updates, RSS feeds,
incoming telephone calls, etc.  And of course the PC has morphed from a
simple computer into a MultiMedia machine capable of high fidelity sound and
Video and now network based telephone.


  And still most of the PC's compute power remains untouched.

  What are the possibilities with the next decades machines that are 100
times faster?



Microsoft's Corporate Interests
-------------------------------

  Microsoft exists of course to make money. Making money requires staying in
business, and in the computer industry, staying in business means staying
one step ahead of your competitors.

  Microsoft has little challenge in this area, as it has few viable
competitors,  Sun Microsystems is it's major competitor, Apple is next (as
small and impotent as apple is), and Linux in all it's partly functional
variants is currently a very, very distant third.

  Sun doesn't challenge Microsoft on the desktop.  But does compete in the
server market, as is also true of Linux.

  Sun provides no challenge on the desktop, but Linux does offer a minor
challenge, as does Mac.  If Microsoft were to stagnate in OS development for
a decade, these rival operating systems would indeed potentially advance to
the point where they would provide a real threat to the company.

  So Microsoft must innovate, and do so in a manner that's it's competitors
can least well respond, and Microsoft has done a very good job recently of
selecting areas of innovation that either target their competitors strong
points, or which will simply overwhelm the ability of their competitors to
cope.

  Digital Rights Management:  Microsoft is partnering with industry to
secure digital content via various software and hardware security
mechanisms. If digitally secure codecs written by Microsoft, are not
available to the rival Operating Systems, then these systems can not view
that data and Microsoft's position as a secure data distribution solutions
provider is greatly strengthened.

  Currently Microsoft is teaming with the Content industry and hence
garnering their strong support. Here Microsoft is in a very strong position
to exclude viable competition in this area.

  DotNet:  DotNet is Microsoft's answer to SUN's Java,  DotNet is a blanket
monicker to a host of languages and related API's that provide a new
net-centric environment for the creation and OS support for applications.

  DotNet languages don't compile to executable code, but rather compile to
an intermediate code for a virtual, idealized CPU.  From here, the code is
cross assembled, to a target machine's native CPU instruction set - when the
application is loaded. (First loaded, and kept in a cache from that point
on)

  DotNet isn't unique in this ability, as it was first popularized with the
JAVA language from Sun.  Java is a C like language, but like C, contains
some elements in the language specification that makes code portability
somewhat problematic.  DotNet by all accounts, is better defined and hence
should be more portable.

  DotNet programs, like all modern computer programs, exchange data with
other software components - Library functions - the Operating system - other
Program modules, etc, and do so in a well defined manner.  The data the
caller sends must be in a format that the receiver expects.  Microsoft has
defined the DotNet environment so that function calls that are outside of a
program executable module, are translated in real time as needed to make
them compatible with the target executable being called.

  This translation is called "marshalling", and is a process that has been
employed by Microsoft for some time.  DotNet employs marshalling
extensively.

  Call Marshalling reduces overall call efficiency but provides one very,
very big advantage.  Marshalling effectively virtualizes external function
calls.

  In networked environments.  marshalling allows Microsoft DotNet languages
to make direct  function calls to executables located on remote machines.
If DotNet is properly configured on both a client and server, the client can
make direct calls to executables sitting on the server.  Thus, with DotNet,
the distinction between Local machine and Remote server vanishes.

  DotNet also provides Microsoft with several another advantages, or at
least potential advantages.

  DotNet provides the programmer with a huge new Application interface and
function library. The API contains various wrappers that encapsulate and
objectize the portions of the underlying Windows API's.  There is a clean
interface to the Win32 API, A clean interface to DirectX, a clean interface
to the file system, a clean interface to the audio system, etc.

  The old API functions are objectified and the interface cleaned up and
made more compatible with the modern Object Oriented programming paradigm.
<IF> programmers can be convinced to avoid the older API's in windows or
<if> a branding program is employed to identify those programs that avoid
the old API's, All of compliant programs, due to the portable nature of
DotNet applications are immediately portable to any environment to which
DotNet can be ported.

  <IF> programmers can be convinced to confine themselves to DotNet, and
this is the reason why the API is so huge, - to remove them of an excuse to
call Win32 or the other API's directly - DotNet also allows Microsoft the
freedom to alter the underlying OS structure - streamline it, and remove
dead and redundant methods and code.  Windows is in disparate need of a
rewrite, and DotNet can provide the opportunity.

  DotNet also solves the problem of hardware compatibility at the OS level.
Currently Microsoft is hostage to Intel CPU designs and while the OS can be
ported to other hardware platforms, the application base does not
automatically follow.

  Once the OS is ported, each software package has to be ported as well.  In
a DotNet compliant universe, once the OS is ported, all the applicators are
automatically ported for free.  Windows is no longer constrained to the
Intel platform, and windows can seamlessly be moved to higher performance
CPU's and hardware without software compatibility issues.


  Since the DotNet API is huge, it will take literally decades for open
source efforts to begin to make a dent in emulating it.  The biggest effort
to emulate windows so far is WINE and although it's now 15 years old, still
is claimed not to be ready for prime time by it's own authors.

  DotNet is much, much bigger than the simple Win32 interface that the WINE
project attempts to emulate.  There is no hope in ever cloning DotNet.



Microsoft VISTA
---------------

  From a users perspective Microsoft VISTA has two principle attractions.  A
new and improved user interface, and enhanced reliability and security.

  VISTA reportedly has entailed a complete review of XP's security
mechanisms and is reportedly much more secure than XP.  Time will tell.

  Improved security however isn't going to have much impact on future
desktop computing.  The second major attraction will...

  VISTA (depending upon which version you license) will come with either a
revamped XP interface, or with a new 3D interface called AERO.

  AERO is the eye candy for VISTA.  It's a new GUI that renders desktop
objects in 3D, and provides an API so that applications can do the same.
Aero calls Microsoft's DirectX rendering engine rather than the older Win32
interface for rendering and hence can produce all of the same 3D effects
that are seen in modern 3D video games.

  In Aero, 3D objects like folders, or even shrunken versions of active
application windows will literally float in space, and the user will
interact with them as if they were real 3D objects, plucking them from
space, moving them closer and farther away, organizing them in stacks, etc.

  Video demo's of Vista show that Aero is powerful and comprehensive enough
such that it is capable of effects like real time wrapping of video
animation onto 3D surfaces, while those surfaces are themselves being
animated,

  However, the computational cost of AERO is high, both for the CPU and the
GPU on the video card.  Aero requirements are much higher than what average
machines in use today are
capable of Particularly if they are using Integrated video chipsets from
Intel.  However, the average machine that is currently being sold in
computer stores, and average video cards from Nvidie and ATI are quite
capable of supporting AERO.


  Some criticism of AERo has been made by individuals who do not have the
hardware requirements to use the AERO interface, and from businesses who
would rather not pay the extra cost for the hardware needed to run the AERO
interface.  For these people, Microsort has kept the older Windows desktops.
In addition, with hardware speeds projected to increase by another two
orders of magnitude, in short order even modest PC's will have more than
enough compute horsepower to support AERO.

  The dominance of the AERO interface will take time to establish.  But it
will become increasingly popular as the older machines that are not capable
of running it come to an end of their lives.

  In addition to just looking good, AERO also provides some advantages to
application developers, and this will push then toward the AERO interface.

  The first advantage is that AERO provides the application programmer with
the ability to produce effects that were not really possible on the desktop
before. Buttons can be animated and made to turn inside out, hover in 3D
over their parent window, or fade in via the transparent GLASS interface.
SUb-panels can be animated into position with realistic 3D effects rather
than simply appearing by overwriting existing controls.

  Some of these effects can be managed now, but only with extreme
difficulty.  However, with Aero, once a 3D surface or object is defined,
it's rotation, scale, and orientation becomes a trivial matter of specifying
an simple angle, scale factor or distance.



Vista Improved Networking and IPV6
----------------------------------

  Microsoft has rewritten the Network stack in VISTA to improve it's speed
and efficiency and to implement support for the coming IPV6 network protocol
standard.  The current network protocol Standard provides for a maximum of
only 4 billion IP numbers, and this count is nearing saturation.  IPV6,
vastly expands the number of IP's addresses and will easily allow one IP to
be mapped to every person and network device in any conceivable earth bound
network.

  Including IPV6 is a requirement to remain competitive on the Internet, but
the improved Network Stack is directed as much at improving Microsoft's near
50% market share in the Server market, where Sun and Linux are competitors,
and in which Sun and Linux provide more bang per CPU cycle.  Vista reduces
or eliminates that advantage and hence reduces or eliminates the reason for
choosing SUn or LInux over WIndows in the server market.

  This improvement also makes Vista more suitable for net centric
applications - like file servers - and transaction servers - and also a new
class of Grid server in which applications are shared across networks.



Grid Computing - Software as a service
--------------------------------------


  Improved networking, Support for IPV6, increased processor speeds and
especially the DotNet Application environment, provide a perfect setting for
distributed computing.
  Distributed computing in turn opens up the potential for controlling the
distribution of compute resources, and the sale of those resources as a
service.

  IPV6, allows a host of new server addresses for all manner of software
services, in addition to just relieving the system of the less than 1 IP per
person on earth limit.

  Improved Networking support provides the means of greater efficiency in
providing those services, both at the server level and on the client's PC.

  Greatly improved hardware speeds allow the inherent inefficiency of these
services - marshalling, and the 15% lower efficiency in transcoded
assembler, to be offset by the hardware speed increase that has been
projected above to be a factor of roughly 100.

  DotNet provides the software framework for the creation and managed
distribution of those programs and program fragments over the net.

  With DotNet, applications can be completely net based, or can be partly
so.

  You might for example purchase a base application that has additional
features on line.  Accessing a feature will require network access.  Locally
the application will call home at startup, and connect to the home server
whenever it needs to make a system call to an external function contained on
that server.  Alternately the application could download a software
component applet from that server and run it locally.

  This will all be managed transparently by the OS, and presumably pennies
will be deducted from bank accounts every time such a transaction occurs.
Software will be provided as a for profit service.


  This paradigm can and will also be used to employ the computing power of
multiple machines in solving complex problems.  Rather than relying on add
hock interfaces for the control of remote machines, DotNet allows direct
control through direct function call,   Call a function on a remote machine
to transfer a data set to it.  Call another function to invoke an analysis
of that data.  It calls back with the results.  It may in turn call other
machines to perform additional processing.

  In this environment the network becomes one huge computer, connected as a
grid, with each machine capable of calling upon others to assist in a
computational task, exchanging DotNet applets, re configuring each other,
sharing data, and acting as one single multiprocessor machine potentially
consisting of hundreds of millions of CPU's.

  Not surprisingly VISA incorporates all of the functionality to implement
such a grid computational environment.  Microsoft also has developed an API
for the construction of such grids, including how to find participating
grids, how to access them, enumerate the machines on the grid etc.



WinFS
-----

  WinFS was originally planned as an optional component of VISTA that would
replace the existing traditional hierarchical file system of directories and
sub directories with a system based on a traditional database.  Files, and
presumably folders would be organized by a user's own choice of categories,
and could be indexed under several if needed.  Ancillary files,
descriptions, tags, images, etc, can be associated with an individual "file"
allowing indexing in various ways through association.

  While WinFS has been dropped from the current incarnation of VISTA, it is
very likely to return, and very likely to play a major role in future
desktop computing.

  This is because WinFS is essentially a method of virtualizing storage, and
virutalizing storage, like virtualizing a function call allows storage to be
distributed across a network, just like a function call can be made across a
network.

  Once files are sorted in a database, and referenced through that database,
the database is able to manage where those files ultimately come from.  They
might come from local storage, or a file server half way around the world.
To the user or application, it's all the same. He/she is and his
applications are relieved of the burden of knowing.

  Storage becomes potentially Net-Centric along with everything else.



Summation
---------

  Microsoft controls the desktop and drives the industry.  Microsoft's plan
for the future is therefore likely to be the direction the industry takes.
VISTA/DotNet is a step toward Microsoft's plan for the future of the
desktop.

  This plan is a vision of a desktop PC, controlled by a version of Windows,
employing a DotNet interface, subscribing and providing software services to
and from other machines connected to the network.

  Applications will be componentized and distributed. Unused CPU cycles will
be available
for fun or profit to others on the net.

  In some instances applications will be sold as a service, in others,
components or functionality will be sold as a service.

  Storage will be virtualized, with local file storage being seamlessly
supplemented at the application level again as a service.  The distinction
between local and remote files will essentially vanish.  There will only be
"file storage" and where it is or how it functions will be effectively
irrelevant.  Storage will essentially be infinite as long as you have money
to pay rent on the space you rent.  You will subscribe to a archive service
and as you require more space, your existing local storage space will be
seamlessly extended onto their servers.

  GRID based computation will allow huge amounts of computing power, on the
order of hundreds of millions of PC's and which currently sits unused to be
employed to solve scientific and engineering problems.  The internet will
become a vibrant host to thousands of virtual super computers working on
different problems of scientific interest and bringing literally tens of
millions of times more compute power to those problems than currently is
possible.

  Potentially users may be paid for providing these computational services
and use those funds to offset the computational services they request from
others.

  GRID computing will allow for digitally secure file sharing and P2P of
personal files.

  Commercial content will be digitally secured.

  Encrypted distributed networks will enable the sharing of files in an
encrypted distributed form where no individual can claim to posess or even
know if their machine contains a part of that file.  The inevitable
development of such systems will in turn require a move by corporations to
make all such communication systems illegal.

  The desktop will be a 3D rendition of real objects floating in virtual
space and will employ digital effects that are similar to those seen in
modern 3D virtual gaming environments.

  Microsoft retains control of all the interfaces for software distribution,
management, creation, network management, and control at the DotNet level
which will become predominant and may even threaten the WWW.

  Open source efforts will not be able to clone the DotNet environment
simply due to it's sheer complexity and size.

  Microsoft will port the DotNet environment to Sun Microsystems Sparc machi
nes and Sun will lose control of their own hardware.  SUn Microsystems will
undoubtedly either be out of business or a WInFS file archival company
within the decade.

  DotNet is ported to every new CPU architecture made, and Microsoft's near
effective monopoly control over computation continues indefinitely.

  Welcome to the future of desktop computing.




0
2/10/2007 1:15:52 AM
"JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
> FOAD you twelve-year-old.

  Only an adolescent Tard uses a term like FOAD.

"JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
> In any case, Feisty is beta still, and unreleased. At the very least, try
> trolling with actual released versions.

  They don't work either.... Close to 3 dozen installs, all unusable.

Ahahahahah The quality of Linux is astonishing.  100% failure.



0
2/10/2007 1:18:20 AM
"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> You must be a friggin' idiot. I've done about four dozen installs now, and
> never had one fail!!

  There are two possibilities.  Either you aren't smart enough to notice, or
Linux isn't stable, and you aren't smart enough to notice.



0
2/10/2007 1:20:33 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
> Now there is no need to be unkind. There are many people who have
> great difficulty with computers but have abilities in other areas.

  Linux has <2% market share, and all marketing types know that with any
market even when selling cow paddies, 2% of the market will positivly glow
over the product even though it's rejected as crap by the other 98%.

  If you ever find yourself in that 2%, you should wonder what it is that
you are doing wrong.

  Ahahahahahha  Stupid LinTards.



0
2/10/2007 1:22:30 AM
"Jim" <james@the-computer-shop.co.uk> wrote
> I have installs going on every single day*. Very few failures; what
failures
> I do have are generally down to faulty hardware.

  No faulty hardware here as Windows installs perfectly and works the
hardware to it's full capacity.

  Linux fails every time.  Every version.  On every machine.

  Linux is useless.


0
2/10/2007 1:24:00 AM
"Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote
> Turn on the computer first.

Linux has no control over that, and surprise, that function works correctly
every time.

It's when Linux is asked to do anything that the failure to perform begins.

Linux = The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.


0
2/10/2007 1:25:29 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 05:53:26p, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

> 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote in message
>> You've misplaced the decimal point.
> 
>   I don't have an IQ of 1600 Ron.  But if we were to linearly rescale
>   scale 
> so that yours was 100, then maybe.....

And yet I *can* install Linux. Hmmmm... interesting. 

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/10/2007 1:33:02 AM
VistaEra wrote:
> 
> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a failure.

Do you still have the box your computer came in?

-- 
Paul Hovnanian     mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Paul261 (1126)
2/10/2007 1:45:25 AM
In article <1M8zh.23638$Un.20707@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> With your obviously limited expertise, a preinstalled OS is clearly
>> better for you.
>
>In other words the LinTard solution to the inability of Linux to support
>standard hardware is to purchase new hardware that the OS does support.
>Purchas a new PC.

No, in other words, people like you that have limited technical
expertise should let other people install their operating systems
no matter which one you happen to prefer.

>Yet at the same time the LinTards are complaining about Vista because of the
>dishonest claim that Vista needs hardware upgrades in order to run.

The public documentation is available that explains the
hardware requirements for Vista. If you want this information,
you are best served going to a microsoft site and verifying
just what hardware upgrades you need. Looks like the cpu
requirements are more easily met than the graphics memory:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa905075.aspx

>And again at the same time that the Tards claim that Linux is less expensive
>because you don't need expensive hardware updates.

The basic hardware requirements for Vista far exceed those
for linux distros. But you shouldn't concern yourself about
these technical issues and just let an expert install the
operating system you prefer.


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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 2:08:47 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote
> 
>>Turn on the computer first.
> 
> 
> Linux has no control over that, and surprise, that function works correctly
> every time.
> 
> It's when Linux is asked to do anything that the failure to perform begins.
> 
> Linux = The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
> 
> 

You should get a refund on  your PC.
And then never use one again.
0
Sun137 (1209)
2/10/2007 2:09:45 AM
RonB <ronb02@spamnogmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> On Fri 09 Feb 2007 05:53:26p, "VistaJustWorks"
> <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 

>> 
>> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> You've misplaced the decimal point.
>> 
>>   I don't have an IQ of 1600 Ron.  But if we were to linearly rescale
>>   scale 
>> so that yours was 100, then maybe.....

> And yet I *can* install Linux. Hmmmm... interesting. 

Indeed, and everything works fine too... How odd.
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spike1 (8171)
2/10/2007 2:10:02 AM
www.archlinux.org

:)

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gavcomedy (1608)
2/10/2007 2:12:37 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, RonB
<ronb02@spamNOgmail.com>
 wrote
on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:33:02 +0000 (UTC)
<Xns98D2BC9B64AA6ezboard1lycoscom@news.datemas.de>:
> On Fri 09 Feb 2007 05:53:26p, "VistaJustWorks"
> <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 
>
>> 
>> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> You've misplaced the decimal point.
>> 
>>   I don't have an IQ of 1600 Ron.  But if we were to linearly rescale
>>   scale 
>> so that yours was 100, then maybe.....
>
> And yet I *can* install Linux. Hmmmm... interesting. 
>

Indeed.  Of course, VistaJustWorks could just install
Vista, for some value of "install", which is presumably:

[1] Pick out a computer at the local Comp N' Go, which
matches the color scheme of his room.  (Since I
don't know what stores are near him or his room color
scheme I can't be more specific here.  Fortunately,
gray or black goes with almost anything. :-) )

[2] Plug it in and turn it on.

[3] He's online and infected.

It's as simple as that.  With Linux, #3 is a little
more difficult to achieve, but not because Linux is
network-deficient.  :-)

If anything, Linux is a little more capable network-wise.
But it's not easy to infect.

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Useless C++ Programming Idea #992381111:
while(bit&BITMASK) ;

-- 
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ewill5 (11075)
2/10/2007 2:13:07 AM
In news:Pradnbi_0sCytFDYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@forethought.net,
Daniel Packman <pack@users.forethought.net> typed:
> In article <1M8zh.23638$Un.20707@read2.cgocable.net>,
> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>>> With your obviously limited expertise, a preinstalled OS is clearly
>>> better for you.
>>
>> In other words the LinTard solution to the inability of Linux to
>> support standard hardware is to purchase new hardware that the OS
>> does support. Purchas a new PC.
>
> No, in other words, people like you that have limited technical
> expertise should let other people install their operating systems
> no matter which one you happen to prefer.
>
>> Yet at the same time the LinTards are complaining about Vista
>> because of the dishonest claim that Vista needs hardware upgrades in
>> order to run.
>
> The public documentation is available that explains the
> hardware requirements for Vista. If you want this information,
> you are best served going to a microsoft site and verifying
> just what hardware upgrades you need. Looks like the cpu
> requirements are more easily met than the graphics memory:
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa905075.aspx
>
>> And again at the same time that the Tards claim that Linux is less
>> expensive because you don't need expensive hardware updates.
>
> The basic hardware requirements for Vista far exceed those
> for linux distros. But you shouldn't concern yourself about
> these technical issues and just let an expert install the
> operating system you prefer.

Well, you don't really need an expert, just someone with common sense and 
basic skills. That excludes him, of course.



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pearl1 (25)
2/10/2007 2:14:04 AM
Maverick wrote:
> VistaJustWorks wrote:

> You should get a refund on  your PC.
> And then never use one again.

Do we need to enact a "literacy test" to qualify WinTards to buy PCs?
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jabailo (8241)
2/10/2007 2:31:46 AM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Not my dog.

  Oh, that's what you call it.

  Go have a bath.


0
2/10/2007 2:50:36 AM
"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> And yet I *can* install Linux. Hmmmm... interesting.


Well, that's your unsubstantiated claim.  But then LinTards say all kinds of
stupid and untrue things.



0
2/10/2007 2:51:39 AM
<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
> Indeed, and everything works fine too... How odd.

  Really?  Why is your CDROM using polled I/O?



0
2/10/2007 2:52:24 AM
 "VistaJustWorks" wrote:
> >   Ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha   And the LinTards still can't  figure
out
> > why.


"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
> Yes, vent! Froth and rant -- that'll show 'em how brilliant you
> "really" are!

  It's called laughter you insipid Dung Eater.

  Ahahahahahahaha...

  Linux, the laughing stock of the computer world.

  Linux, the little OS that never could.



0
2/10/2007 2:53:56 AM
"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
> Well, you don't really need an expert, just someone with common sense and
> basic skills.

Odessa is correct here.  One need only select <Install to HD> to install the
Lintard OS to your hard drive.

The installation fails.  No user intervention asked for or required.

Linux = Shit Stick.



0
2/10/2007 2:55:53 AM
"Jeremy Fisher" <freya@linux.server> wrote
> What would life be like with idiots,

The world would be a much better place.  Please put a bullet in your head
now.



0
2/10/2007 2:57:03 AM
"Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
> You should get a refund on  your PC.
> And then never use one again.

  Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the LinTurds
crawling around in their own useless excrement.


0
2/10/2007 2:58:14 AM
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote
> Do you still have the box your computer came in?

Motherboards, video cards, ram, and other periphals all purchased separately
and working 100% under Windows.

Linux doesn't install.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


The LinTurd OS.   The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.  The OS that never
could.
..


0
2/10/2007 3:00:10 AM
"gavino" <gavcomedy@gmail.com> wrote
> www.archlinux.org

No can do.  I've run out of CD to burn.  Gone though most of a box of 50 and
still not a single working version of the OS to be found.

But we all know with Linux, the point is to install the OS, over and over
and over, and over again.  Never to run it.

Maybe Linux is a conspiracy by CD makers to have people purchase and then
throw away as many of their CD's as possible.


Ahahahahahahaha

Linux, the Little OS that couldn't even install itself.



0
2/10/2007 3:03:32 AM
"John Bailo" <jabailo@texeme.com> wrote in message
> Do we need to enact a "literacy test" to qualify WinTards to buy PCs?

  A good idea I think.  But then AmeriKKKans who can't find their own
country on an unnamed map of the world, would lose all access to PC
technology.

  I am willing to sacrifice the AmeriKKKan people for the betterment of
humanity.



0
2/10/2007 3:37:21 AM
In article <Omazh.12416$4Q2.12331@read1.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
>> Indeed, and everything works fine too... How odd.
>
>  Really?  Why is your CDROM using polled I/O?
>
>
>


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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 3:37:25 AM
In article <eqj9oj$5b5$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Odessa Sandwich <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote:
>In news:Pradnbi_0sCytFDYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@forethought.net,
>Daniel Packman <pack@users.forethought.net> typed:
......
>> The basic hardware requirements for Vista far exceed those
>> for linux distros. But you shouldn't concern yourself about
>> these technical issues and just let an expert install the
>> operating system you prefer.
>
>Well, you don't really need an expert, just someone with common sense and 
>basic skills. That excludes him, of course.

Shhhh. We are trying to be nice here. And as I said, perhaps he
has other abilities such as painting great frescoes in sewers.



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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 3:40:10 AM
In article <3qazh.23666$Un.18557@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>> Well, you don't really need an expert, just someone with common sense and
>> basic skills.
>
>Odessa is correct here.  One need only select <Install to HD> to install the
>Lintard OS to your hard drive.....

Yes, often no user interaction is needed to install Linux (in various distros)
or Windows (in various flavors). If you have hardware that is not supported by
your particular install media, then intervention is needed. This can happen on
either OS, but is rarest with hardware that is neither ancient nor cutting edge.
With windows XP now about 5 years old, one might have very old install media
and this could be problemmatic with current hardware.



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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 3:44:53 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
><retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
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Au79
2/10/2007 4:27:34 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> <retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.
-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:27:54 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
<retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:28:07 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
<retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:28:31 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

<retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:28:42 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
>  "VistaJustWorks"
><retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.
-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:28:55 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
<retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:29:05 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
<retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.
-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:29:13 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
><retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.
-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:29:28 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> <retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 4:30:19 AM
"Au79" <au79@789.edu> wrote in message
news:tQbzh.17717$5q6.7634@newsfe17.lga...
> Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
> before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
> meds.

Linux - The never ready OS.

Every once and a while I get the urge to check out the Linux Operating
system. I've never been fully happy with Microsoft Windows and never happy
with Microsoft as a company, and I am eager to switch to an OS which
provides good or better performance and utility than experienced with
Microsoft windows.

Linux gets the most hype and while MacOS and Solaris are also potential
candidates, they always lose out because 1. MacOS comes from a flake company
who don't really produce computers, they produce Ipods, and Solaris has even
a smaller user base than Linux and only runs on a very limited number of
motherboards.  So, I almost always end up auditing Linux.

I first saw Linux back in the 486 era when it was barely a year old.  It was
running on a 486 and was pleased to see how fast it managed to list it's
directories compared to the speed of DOS on my 386.  However it was clear
even at that time, that Linux would never be a challenge to Microsoft DOS.
This was obvious because Linux was developing into nothing more than a Unix
clone, and Unix had been completely rejected in favour of Microsoft DOS by
the desktop computing community.

Typing a few commands into the Linux console, and watching the shell spit
out cryptic and incomprehensible error messages made me laugh out loud I
remember, I then turned off the machine and walk away in complete and utter
disgust at the lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.  Yes they really
had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that couldn't even
compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

A few years later, I abandoned the DOS command line, in favour of the vastly
superior Windows 95 GUI - having successfully ignored all earlier versions
of Microsoft Windows, as the earliest Windows offerings were also completely
unusable and unstable.

I gave Linux another shot at impressing me again that year, and once again I
was presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic
retards...

When X-windows for Linux arrived, I gave the OS another shot.  X11 had the
potential of competing with Microsoft windows in terms of ease of use - if
implemented correctly.  I noted however, that after booting the X11 server
from the command line, that what was presented was a graphical desktop from
which multiple command line shells would be presented in a nice overlapping
manner.  It was a hollow desktop with no icon to file mapping, no desktop
management, no device control, no computer management functions - other than
those that were managed via command line and with each of those shells I was
presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  But now the output was directed toward
overlapping text windows.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

It wasn't all command line though, there were a host of screen savers for
the OS, and I decided to check out it's graphic potential by running through
those.  20% of them either failed to run, or crashed, with several taking
out the entire OS.

I laughed and turned the machine off.  Retards I said to myself... Pathetic
retards...

It's now about 5 years later and I've just given Linux yet another attempt
to impress me, and impress upon me why I should keep it on my computer.
I've given it a good shot, not simply seconds or minutes, or even an hour
like the last time, but a full month or so of effort - when I have had the
time and patients.

The results are in.  Linux - while considerably improved over it's crash
prone past, is still a very, very long way from usability, and offers
essentially <zero> challenge to Microosft Windows.

The Linux Desktop is now much more than a simple means of managing multiple
text based terminal windows.  Kudo's to the various desktop developers of
KDE and Gnome.

In many respects the desktop I have become familiar with (KDE) is as good as
the desktop supplied with W95.  But in many ways it's also inferior, and
suffers from a variety of problems - consistancy being one, completeness
being another.

Linux however, is still a command line driven environment.  Try as they
might the various providers of Linux, with all thier incompatible tinkering,
have yet to provide a version of the OS, where you can avoid decending to
the same incredably hostile and brain dead command line environment whose
stench permiates ever previous version of Unix/Linux.

What the Linux community has done is try and hide the pathetic command line
from view.  But they just can't seem to manage to get it right.  They can't
make it go away completely.  For example, click on the start menu and what
happens?  Why a hidden commmand line is processed and a graphical
application invoked.  But that application is probably just a graphical
front end which itself creates and passes along a command line to the actual
program that is to be run. Many of the smaller Linux programs are written
like this, although there are some full fledged applcations that are fully
integrated.

But ok, I said to myself, dealing with Unix command line filth has been
minimized, so maybe I can live with that.  Maybe I can adjust to an
environment where graphical shells are slapped on top of command line
interfaces, and where a command appropriately labeled find in the shell, is
ultimately mapped onto some command called PinkiBoingo in some randomly
assigned executable directory.  But then again, maybe not.

I started auditing Linux on a brand new Duel Core Athelon machine running an
Nvidia chipset, and I was keen to see how an aledgedly efficient OS would
fly on multiple cores.  Alas, I never managed to find out, because in the
half dozen x86 versions of Linux I installed on that machine, none managed
to function well enough to serve as a testable platform.  In fact most
wouldn't install at all.   Some couldn't find the network card, which made
installing other applications impossible.  Some didnt' recognize the Nvidia
Video chipset, and while one version actually defaulted to VESA video it
failed to provide a mouse pointer making pointing to anything on the screen
somewhat difficult.

Eventually in the case of the lost mouse pointer, I found out that I could
edit a random text file with some random title, and alter a randomly named
switch so that a software cursor would be used instead of the hardware
cursor that wasn't working, but after that networking problems became
clearer, and eventually after installing an MP3 codec, the OS just had a
kernel panic and that Linux install was dead, quickly replaced with a
version of Windows 2000 which installed flawlessly, runs flawlessly and
supports the duel core Athelon quite nicely.

I religated Linux to my older machine at this point and installed a version
of RedHat Linux first.  At this point I was looking to create a stable Linux
environment that could be used for casual computing with some development
tools so I could audit the OS more thoughly.

No Joy with Redhat.  Working environment was too poor.
No Joy with Ubuntu.  The inability to log on as Admin displeased me greatly.
No Joy with Susie.   It just pissed me off due to lack of any codec support
like all the others.
Then there was Freespire.

I much prefer Freespire's philosophy of providing the user with some
multimedia capability out of the box, even though the codecs and
applications may be propriatory.  And Freespire installed with Windows
networking compatability turned on and capable of immediately connecting to
a windows network.   Joy....

Joy yes, but joy only for so long.

Freespire is by far the best version of Linux I have yet to audit (What do
you do with Linux? You install it.) Networking works, XMMS is easy enough to
install, and if you don't there is always real player.  It plays many video
file formats without any hastles, and the user interface of version 1.0 is
actually quite good.  VLC is generally available but isn't as good as the
Windows version.

"Maybe", I found myself thinking as I toured the OS surface, it's time to
emmigrate from the often quirky and always inefficient state of Microsoft to
the shiny new land of Linux and what appeared to be it's newly reformed
Linspire ideology.

Well, it's not quite so easy as that.

The first thing I noticed, is that my networking card - which is a 10/100
card is only operating at 10 Mbps.  Ok Ill reconfigure that.  I saw a device
manager in here somewhere, lets get going.

Several hours later I conclude that there is no real device manager, even in
Freespire.  In the other versions of the Linux OS, a device manager is
supplied...   Well the program calls itself a device manager, but in
actuality there is no ability to manage any devices from these utilities.
Oh, they may list device properties, but they provide no management
functions.  Brilliant!

Need to change a buffer location or size, force an interrupt, turn on DMA?
Device manager tells you where they are, what their size is, but provides no
ability to change any parameter.  Absolutely brilliant.

Need to manually set the speed of your Network Card?  Device manager might
tell you it's current operating speed, but provides no means of actually
altering the speed.

Linspire differs primarily in the honesty with which it announces it's
device reporting utility.  It doesn't use the word "manager" in the title
since the program - like all the other Linux device utilities, provide no
management functions at all.

Ok. So I tell myself, I'll live with a slower than necessary Network card
for the moment.  It's not a big deal, lets play some MP3's and relax.  Hmmm,
the audio level appears to be very low, lets adjust it up.  No Joy.  It's
only when I reach the upper two "notches" of the volume control does the
volume of the output sound noticabely increase.  Also, when the volume is
finally changed, the sound levels are now dramatically disproportionate
between the left and right channel,   Hmmmm.  There is a problem with the
sound mixer.

Ok so I grab another sound mixer from the net, and off I go.  Same problem.
So I grab another... Same problem.  And another.  Same problem...

Obvously there is some underlying problem with the sound driver, and not the
mxier control applets themselves.

So I play around with the various mixer controls, playing with the say -
microphone control and having the left side of the master volume control cut
in and out, and finally come across a series of settings which is
acceptable.

Ok I think to myself, this is a little bit of a pain, but I can live with
it.  Who knows, someone might fix it, and once I get some development tools
installed, I might fix it myself.  Time to move on.

Soon after I notice that while trying to compose some text via a supplied
text editor that I can not insert text.  The insert button on my keyboard
has been brilliantly removed in place of an expanded delete key.  To insert
I now must use the insert key on the numeic keyboard - prssing Shift-0
(insert).

Doesn't work. Pressing Shift Insert doesn't work.  Hmm, no insert?  I seem
to remember it working yesterday when I tried it.  Shift-0 again.  "0"
appears under my cursor.

Hmmmmm.  This worked yesterday - why not today?  Must be something set
differently.  So I try toggling the numlock state.  Sure enough insert
works.  But it only works when the numlock state is active. In other words
when the insert key is <not> supposed to be mapped to the number 0.  So the
key state is inverted to that used by windows.  Another Linux bug.

Brilliant I tells ya.. brilliant.

I can put up with this variance as well. Ok.  I'm beginning to feel a bit
soiled by the OS now, but maybe there must are better things to come I tell
myself.

Ok on to installing a development environment.

After a little bit of research it appears that there are only two viable
integrated development environments for Linux. Well only 1 really.  That
environment is RealBasic.

Faster than I can type Shazam I'm at the RealBasic website downloading the
latest PD version of their programming environment.  It looks quit promising
with it's visual studio style and gizmo's and such.  Visual Studio for
Windows is a truly excellent development environment for Microsoft Windows,
and I would truly be impressed if it were duplicated in the Linux community.

Once the program has been received and installed, I start it and am indeed
immediately greated with a GUI interface. Most excellent.  Within a few
seconds I have a new form in the main window and from the tool bar I select
a button to add to the form.  Most excellent I think to myself, pondering
how well the language will optimize.  Clicking on the form and dragging a
outlign box for the button to be enclosed in however immediately shows a
very, very major problem.  It takes almost a full second between releasing
the mouse button to when the button actually appears on the form.  Resizing
is equally sluggins, taking between .5 seconds and 1 full second...  This is
on a 1.1 Ghz machine operating at just slightly more than 1 operation per
second.

How can you possibly burn over a billion cycles of CPU time just to draw a
button in a window?  Holy smoke.  What's wrong with that picture?

At first I thought it was some sort of post installation inefficiency
madness, turding the application. So I shut down and restarted with exactly
the same results.

The delays are such that it is very difficult to actually resize any of the
tools  Clicks don't get processed and are difficult to release before they
are considered a click and hold operations.

Not good.  Do I start to drag immediately, and drag the cursor out of the
item selected before it's selected (sometimes) or do I wait?  Horrible.

After a little research I find that RealBasic is actually written in
RealBasic.  Which is cool enough, but exactly pinpoints the reason the UI is
so sluggish.  The RealBasic compiler isn't up to snuff - and probably
neither is the language.

The minimum recommended requirement for the langauge is a 1.5 Ghz pentium. I
had an order of magnitude better performance running Microsoft Developer
studio on a half gigabyte PC.  How can anything like this be written so
inefficiently?  The mind boggles.

With that realization RealBasic was quickly erased from existance.

The next morning when I awoke I found that even though I had shut the Linux
box off, the mouse attached to the machine continued to power it's laser LED
at full brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under Linux
isn't working properly either.

Moving on I note that there is a version of KDevelop that has already been
installed with the OS.  It's not an integrated environment, but it does have
a GUI editor, so I can potentially use that.

Now either the install of KDevelop was broken or something in the RealBasic
installation must have boinked KDevelop because while the environment runs
and provides a text based interface, it can't compile anything.  Some error
messages regarding missing files are printed.

Ok I think to myself "The rate at which Linux is shitting on itself is
increasing."  Might as well try a borland package to see how it works.
Borland has an integrated development environment called Kylix that is
downloadable and looks promising.

Shazam It's downloaded and installed.  But during the install it asks me for
the paths to two file sets that haven't been installed.  qt something or
other and some file set called <meaninglessname>.

Ok, I'll install the <meaninglessname> files via apt-get and then try to run
again.  No Go, <meaninglessname> doesn't appear in a web search and it's not
in the Debian repository.  But <meaninglessname>3 is.  So, I download that.

Reinstalling I am again told that <meaninglessname> doesn't exist and I am
requested to provide a path to it.

But where did the apt-get put the file?  Grep, grep gRep, nothing found.
Now isn't that interesting.  Can't find the file set because they don't have
the same name as the set name, and I haven't been told where they are.

Ok, Maybe I should just go the the Debian repository and install from there.
No go, the file doesn't exist there.  Ok, well maybe I'll uninstall it and
try again.

Nope, the uninstall script doesn't work, and in fact hardly appears to be a
valid script.  Looks like random hash.

When I invoke the uninstall script, It terminates without performing any
operation and without an error or status report.  It ends abruptly as if it
were never executed as far as I can tell.  The application is still
installed.

The Linux ShitPile is growing quite high at this point.

A little research leads me to the Borland site where I am instructed to use
the GNU C compiler to compile the documentation for the application.  Why in
the world would anyone need a C compiler to compile their documentation..
Documentation isn't an executable.

Click - Master power switch on the PC power supply is turned off,
insufficient respect remains for me to wait for the OS to unload itself. If
I didn't have a UPS on the machine I would have just pulled the power cord
from the wall.  Linux is shut down for the rest of the evening.  My head
shaking in disgust.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic, pathetic
retards...

And on and on it goes.  This Linux application doesn't work, that
application won't load, the other one just has no desktop shortcut
installed, yet another executes apparently but doesn't provde even open a
window.  But it still remains running and soaking up system resources.
Files missing in this install, that install took down the entire OS, This
install requires to be installed as root, but the installer doesn't support
that feature.  Etc.. Etc... Etc... My head shaking in disgust.  Retards I
said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

So after a dozen or so OS installs and with each version failing critically
at some point, or failing to provide a usable environment, I decided to
celebrated my Linix experiment by straping a couple of M90's to my pile of
Linux install disks and blow them all up.

A few strays were nuked in my microwave, and they made a very pretty
sparklie effect as they died.
For good measure I melted a couple with a propane torch and kept a couple as
tea cup coasters.

So long to Linux, the Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
15 years in development and as much a piece of shit as
ever..vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html


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2/10/2007 4:38:45 AM
> ><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
> >> Indeed, and everything works fine too... How odd.

> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >  Really?  Why is your CDROM using polled I/O?

"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> Responded...
<empty - completely empty>

Ahahahahahahahahah.... LinTurd to the end.





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2/10/2007 4:40:01 AM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> <retarded bullshit snipped>

Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
meds.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
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Au79
2/10/2007 4:46:34 AM
In article <FXbzh.12433$4Q2.3443@read1.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
>> >> Indeed, and everything works fine too... How odd.
>
>> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >  Really?  Why is your CDROM using polled I/O?
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> Responded...
><empty - completely empty>
>

The old bsd driver depended on polling, but newer ones don't.
http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0605.1/2123.html



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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 4:58:59 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> The old bsd driver depended on polling, but newer ones don't.
> http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0605.1/2123.html

Sad isnt't it.  That until now it's all been polled I./O

Ahahahaha

But how do you know Yours isn't polled now.  Go check.


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2/10/2007 5:10:15 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> Yes, often no user interaction is needed to install Linux (in various
distros)
> or Windows (in various flavors). If you have hardware that is not
supported by
> your particular install media, then intervention is needed.

Ooh, the hardware is supported Danial.  But not 3d support for my 7200
series ATI video card.  Ahahahahahahahahaha   useless Linux.

In any case the network card is supported, Ubuntu was simply not capable of
setting it up, and wouldn't allow it to be set up manually either.

I've seen this problem on several Linux distributions, but most that do
understand the network card got it working at 1/10 speed.

Of course in no instance did any of the versions of Linux allow me to get
the card running at full speed.

And then there is the keyboard that isn't identified properly in some
versions, the sound chip that has a chronic LinTurd volume control problem,
and then there were the versions that just kacked all over themselves, one
that just had a kernel panic after a sound driver was installed, and others
that just plain don't provide a usable working environment like Elive.

Linix is shit.  It's all Shit.  Linux has always been Shit, and Linux will
always be Shit.

Linux is Shit from day 1, and will be Shit forever.

Why?  Because the underlying philosophy of Linux is shit.

In fact everything about Linux and Unix is Shit.

The key word you will note when discribing Unix/Linux is the word "SHIT".

And that my dear boy is why children who play with Linux are Dung Eaters.

Have a good day.





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2/10/2007 5:18:44 AM
In article <%nczh.23685$Un.16590@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> The old bsd driver depended on polling, but newer ones don't.
>> http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0605.1/2123.html
>
>Sad isnt't it.  That until now it's all been polled I./O
>
>Ahahahaha
>
>But how do you know Yours isn't polled now.  Go check.

Do you want me to use the same mechanism to check that you
used to assert that such polling was the only way such i/o
was being conducted?

I can simply check kernel levels and we haven't used such
older stuff in over a year. But that only affects atapi
devices. We have had excellent i/o bandwidth on fibrechannel
for many years. But if you want to get into a pissing context
about historical technical merit, windows has trailed many
linux distros in multi-processor support.


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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 5:26:34 AM
In article <Yvczh.12437$4Q2.2680@read1.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> Yes, often no user interaction is needed to install Linux (in various
>distros)
>> or Windows (in various flavors). If you have hardware that is not
>supported by
>> your particular install media, then intervention is needed.
>
>Ooh, the hardware is supported Danial.  But not 3d support for my 7200
>series ATI video card.....

We have had video card support problems in windows and linux.
Often a better driver can be found (for either OS) at the
manufacturer's web site.

>...network...>
>Of course in no instance did any of the versions of Linux allow me to get
>the card running at full speed.

Again, I have seen network card support problems in windows and linux.

A general rule (if anyone is actually reading this tripe), is if you
are interested in installing a given OS (linux of a particular distro,
windows of a particular flavor,...), then look at lists of supported
hardware. If the support is not on your install media, then you should
plan ahead to download the proper driver and have it handy. And if the
hardware is not even on the list, be prepared for things to Not Work.



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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 5:35:18 AM
> >But how do you know Yours isn't polled now.  Go check.


"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> Do you want me to use the same mechanism to check that you
> used to assert that such polling was the only way such i/o
> was being conducted?

  By reading the some Net Blog Shit?

  That won't tell you man.  No wonder you LinTurds don't know anything about
how your machines are running.



"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> I can simply check kernel levels

  Nope, that won't work either.  Try again...


"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> We have had excellent i/o bandwidth on fibrechannel
> for many years. But if you want to get into a pissing context
> about historical technical merit, windows has trailed many
> linux distros in multi-processor support.

  I asked you to check.  What DMA channel is your audio card using?

  LinTards know nothing.



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2/10/2007 6:50:31 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> We have had video card support problems in windows and linux.
> Often a better driver can be found (for either OS) at the
> manufacturer's web site.

 Manufacturer refers me back to you guys....  What I find are unstable
drivers and even with those, the OS Kernel has to be recompiled.

  Ya, like I'm going to do that.

  Three Words...    Linux   Shit Stick....



> >Of course in no instance did any of the versions of Linux allow me to get
> >the card running at full speed.

"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> Again, I have seen network card support problems in windows and linux.

  Yup, and so have I.  But the Windows drivers work.  And I can manually
alter the speed.  But with the LinTard OS, no controls, because there is NO
DEVICE MANAGER.

  So the card runs not at all, or in some versions runs at 1/10th speed.

  On monday it's working, with install x, on tuesday it fails with install
b.

   And of course, NO DEVICE MANAGER to see what or why or alter any
settings.

  Linux = Shit Stick.

  But with the last version of Ubuntu the problem was much more interestng,
since it was the OS itself that was at fault.  Setting the IP to 0,0,0,0
whenever I exited the IP settings windows.

  Brilliant.... Absolutely Brilliant.

  Linux = Shit Stick.


"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> A general rule (if anyone is actually reading this tripe), is if you
> are interested in installing a given OS (linux of a particular distro,
> windows of a particular flavor,...), then look at lists of supported
> hardware.

  Oh, my video card is supported and so is the network card.

  But they aren't.  And neither is the sound card, or the keyboard, or
several other things depending on what day it is and what distro it is.

  Linux = Shit Stick.


0
2/10/2007 6:56:34 AM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.

And yet here I am, typing this message in Pan, running on Slax, which took
slightly over two minutes to install and load (Live Linux installs each
time it loads) on my old Celeron 366 machine, with 256 Meg of memory.
Video works (1024x768 85mhz), music works, network card works (obviously)
and I can access my Windows hard drive for any files I need -- I have a
complete, secure computer system, including office applications.

There is NOTHING like this in the Windows world. Nothing that even comes
close. Even Windows techs are now carrying Live Linux CDs and thumb drives
to fix crashed Windows computers.

There are valid pro-Windows arguments (usually the lack of particular and
needed application -- which is why I still boot into Windows part of the
time) but the FUD that Linux is hard to install is pure bullshit.

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02noSPAM (7426)
2/10/2007 8:06:15 AM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:

> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
>> Indeed, and everything works fine too... How odd.

>  Really?  Why is your CDROM using polled I/O?

It *IS*? Wow! That's clever! I never knew linux could do that...
That's pretty neat. Even windows can't do that... Now...
Where is it? I'm looking through all the devices trying to find one attached
to my CDROM that's using PIO mode...

Nope, damn... You were having me on, weren't you? Linux can't make use of
CDROMs not plugged into the machine by using PIO...

That's a shame.

As for my DVD Writer... That's working fine on UDMA ta.
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|    Computer Science      |   -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.|
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spike1 (8171)
2/10/2007 10:06:54 AM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:

> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> We have had video card support problems in windows and linux.
>> Often a better driver can be found (for either OS) at the
>> manufacturer's web site.

> Manufacturer refers me back to you guys....  What I find are unstable
> drivers and even with those, the OS Kernel has to be recompiled.

>  Ya, like I'm going to do that.

Too difficult for you, eh?
What a surprise. 

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spike1 (8171)
2/10/2007 10:06:54 AM
John Bailo <jabailo@texeme.com> did eloquently scribble:
> Maverick wrote:
>> VistaJustWorks wrote:

>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>> And then never use one again.

> Do we need to enact a "literacy test" to qualify WinTards to buy PCs?

We could subject them to the ECDL (possibly rewritten to be better)...
I think something like that should be made compulsary before they're allowed
to own one anyway. It'd cut out the drek. Virus infestations would collapse
overnight and a new dawn of the internet would begin.

The birds would sing, the squirrels would frollick in the trees and
everything would be right with the world.
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spike1 (8171)
2/10/2007 10:06:54 AM
On Fri 09 Feb 2007 07:51:39p, "VistaJustWorks"
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 
 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> And yet I *can* install Linux. Hmmmm... interesting.
> 
> 
> Well, that's your unsubstantiated claim. 

I guess it would sound incredible to someone who still can't figure out 
how all those people fit inside of those little TVs.

But, yeah, the whole world is a "conspiracy" to make you look stupid.

Give up. Installing Linux is just another one of those many things that 
you're never going to quite grasp.    

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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ronb02 (55)
2/10/2007 11:14:13 AM
I am Windows User but since I have got to UWA we have been told to start 
using Linux, I installed Fedora and Ubuntu as virtual machines (Vista as 
host) and everything seems to working fine. I still like hacking together 
some code in VIM and tools such as grep and awk will never be beaten by 
Vista. But Vista is a clean easy to use OS for when I cant be bothered to 
think or I want to play games using DX10. Also don't forget with the launch 
of Vista there is Visual Studio Express, SQL Express. With these tools you 
can write your own command line tools for free (thus giving the feel of 
Linux). As I say each to their own, use what you feel comfortable with.
-- 
Regards JJ (UWA)

"VistaJustWorks" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:5lazh.23665$Un.11741@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>> Not my dog.
>
>  Oh, that's what you call it.
>
>  Go have a bath.
>
> 

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jap6 (3)
2/10/2007 12:02:38 PM
spike1@freenet.co.uk writes:

> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>
>> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>>> We have had video card support problems in windows and linux.
>>> Often a better driver can be found (for either OS) at the
>>> manufacturer's web site.
>
>> Manufacturer refers me back to you guys....  What I find are unstable
>> drivers and even with those, the OS Kernel has to be recompiled.
>
>>  Ya, like I'm going to do that.
>
> Too difficult for you, eh?
> What a surprise. 

We do not all have, snigger, a degree in CS. LOL.
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2/10/2007 2:47:30 PM
Hans Schneider wrote:

> spike1@freenet.co.uk writes:
> 
>> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>
>>> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>>>> We have had video card support problems in windows and linux.
>>>> Often a better driver can be found (for either OS) at the
>>>> manufacturer's web site.
>>
>>> Manufacturer refers me back to you guys....  What I find are unstable
>>> drivers and even with those, the OS Kernel has to be recompiled.
>>
>>>  Ya, like I'm going to do that.
>>
>> Too difficult for you, eh?
>> What a surprise.
> 
> We do not all have, snigger, a degree in CS. LOL.

Nor any working braincells
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Peter.Koehlmann (13228)
2/10/2007 2:58:25 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<FH8zh.12361$4Q2.5062@read1.cgocable.net>:

>
>"JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
>> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here 
care
>> one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux (in 
your
>> oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>
>  I have stated so multiple time, are you incapable of understanding.
>
>  I am no fan of Windows, and no fan of DRM, and no fan of Microsoft.
>

Hmmm...I'm beginning to see whats up with you...

>  Linux has been the best thing to happen ot Microsoft ever.  
Linux/Unix is
>completely Incompetent competition that has prohibited in large 
measure any
>real competition to Microsoft being developed.
>
>  Linux is the filth that keeps Microsoft on top.
>

No. Vendor lock-in keeps M$ on top. And SW devs who only write big 
ticket items like PhotoShop for M$.
And not open sourcing hardware...

>  And Linux FuckTards are the enablers for the entire mess.  A group 
of
>incompetents who have done immesurable damage to the computing 
industry.
>

Ahhhhh...you hate that some people are willing to do a job for FREE 
that you charge for.
Sure, it undercuts your ability to compete in a labor market.
I mean...*who* can compete with free?
:(


>  Linux/Unix is Poison.
>
>  Pure Poison...
>
My condolences. Maybe you could join the "dark side"?
:)

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/10/2007 3:37:45 PM
spike1@freenet.co.uk pinched out a steaming pile of<s4iu94-
oas.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com>:

>JDS <jeffrey@invalid.address> did eloquently scribble:
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:04:50 +0000, spike1 wrote:
>
>>> You seem to have a knoppix fixation
>>> Describe some of these mythical problems you had with the "Other 36 
distros"
>>> you tried. Or was it with knoppix each time and you just got 
confused?
>
>> It doesn't matter. It is all just trolling. Everything anyone here 
with
>> the handle "*vista*" says is pretty much made up when it comes to 
things
>> they say about Linux. So ignore or killfile and move on, I say.
>
>Everything said here by people with the handle *vista* is said by the 
same
>person anyway. It's not hard to spot. The lack of style, the lintard-
speak,
>etc. This moron couldn't pretend to be someone else if someone put a 
gun to
>his head.

After reading his p04sts its obvious that hes an old school coder for 
the M$ platform. He's not stupid, just sees the reality that as a 
developer for an OS that is loosing market share to Linux, his 
livilihood is in jepordy.
He's bitter, thats all :)



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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/10/2007 3:46:48 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<1M8zh.23638$Un.20707@read2.cgocable.net>:

>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> With your obviously limited expertise, a preinstalled OS is clearly
>> better for you.
>
>In other words the LinTard solution to the inability of Linux to 
support
>standard hardware is to purchase new hardware that the OS does 
support.

Oh no. This *aint* new hardware daddyo...this is a chipset from 1998.
Now tell me why windoze aint supportin it:

Intel AGP 82443EX aka the 440EX (8244EX/81371AB)


>Purchas a new PC.
>
Thats what I told granny to do. Since I couldnt teach her linux...which 
will support it :)

Funny how OLD people are *so* resistant to change :)



>Yet at the same time the LinTards are complaining about Vista because 
of the
>dishonest claim that Vista needs hardware upgrades in order to run.
>

Now you're just lieing...again...run Vista on a P1 with 48MB ram.
H^H^H^HH^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^

>And again at the same time that the Tards claim that Linux is less 
expensive
>because you don't need expensive hardware updates.
>

Its sure cheaper than the 200+ dollahs Billy G wants for his beta-ware 
:)


>Stupid... Stupid... LinTards...
>
You're just like Granny: old and scared of the future.
:(

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/10/2007 3:53:31 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<W39zh.12364$4Q2.1991@read1.cgocable.net>:

>
>"Jim" <james@the-computer-shop.co.uk> wrote
>> I have installs going on every single day*. Very few failures; what
>failures
>> I do have are generally down to faulty hardware.
>
>  No faulty hardware here as Windows installs perfectly and works the
>hardware to it's full capacity.
>
>  Linux fails every time.  Every version.  On every machine.
>
>  Linux is useless.
>
Really? Have you found me a driver for the Intel AGP 82443EX yet for 
windoze?

LOL!

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/10/2007 3:56:32 PM
???hw??f <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> After reading his p04sts its obvious that hes an old school coder for 
> the M$ platform. He's not stupid, just sees the reality that as a 
> developer for an OS that is loosing market share to Linux, his 
> livilihood is in jepordy.
> He's bitter, thats all :)

Then he should get off his fat arse and learn something new for a change.
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spike1 (8171)
2/10/2007 4:09:31 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Odessa Sandwich" <pearl@blacksea.com.ua> wrote
>> > Get off, you mindless nincompoop.
>
>  I smell Turd.   Go wash your hands Odessa, yo uhave wiped yourself wrong
>again.

And now, Teh Scat Lame.

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"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:41:49 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>VistaJustWorks did the cha-cha, and
>> > In all versions of Linux that I have had the displeasure of seeing,
>going
>> > back about 10 years when I first saw the first GUI's, if you have a
>window
>> > pop up on the screen, and there happens to be a button drawn under your
>> > existing mouse pointer, pressing the mouse button does not register a
>> > button press even though it should.  You have to move the mouse pointer
>> > off the button and then back on in order for a mouse click to register.
>> >
>> > Stupid... Stupid... LinTurd.
>
>
>"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corny> wrote
>> Feature.
>
>Shit Stick.....

I stand in a\/\/3 of your |33t f4lm1ng abilities.

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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:43:58 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Au79" <au79@789.edu> wrote in message
>news:tQbzh.17717$5q6.7634@newsfe17.lga...
>> Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
>> before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
>> meds.
>
>Linux - The never ready OS.
>
>Every once and a while I get the urge to check out the Linux Operating
>system. I've never been fully happy with Microsoft Windows and never happy

How many more times will you be spewing your screed, spammer?

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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:44:53 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
>> For real. VJW/VE or "*Vista*" or whatever he's called is in a class on his
>> own.
>
>  Given my 160-180 IQ, it just stands to reason that my class would be so
>small.

See how many you match:

<http://www.lowgenius.net/kookway.htm>

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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:46:36 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> Yes, often no user interaction is needed to install Linux (in various
>distros)
>> or Windows (in various flavors). If you have hardware that is not
>supported by
>> your particular install media, then intervention is needed.
>
>Ooh, the hardware is supported Danial.  But not 3d support for my 7200
>series ATI video card.  Ahahahahahahahahaha   useless Linux.
>
>In any case the network card is supported, Ubuntu was simply not capable of
>setting it up, and wouldn't allow it to be set up manually either.
>
>I've seen this problem on several Linux distributions, but most that do
>understand the network card got it working at 1/10 speed.
>
>Of course in no instance did any of the versions of Linux allow me to get
>the card running at full speed.
>
>And then there is the keyboard that isn't identified properly in some
>versions, the sound chip that has a chronic LinTurd volume control problem,
>and then there were the versions that just kacked all over themselves, one
>that just had a kernel panic after a sound driver was installed, and others
>that just plain don't provide a usable working environment like Elive.

"Here's a nickel, kid, go buy yourself a real computer."
>
>Linix is shit.  It's all Shit.  Linux has always been Shit, and Linux will
>always be Shit.
>
>Linux is Shit from day 1, and will be Shit forever.
>
>Why?  Because the underlying philosophy of Linux is shit.
>
>In fact everything about Linux and Unix is Shit.
>
>The key word you will note when discribing Unix/Linux is the word "SHIT".
>
>And that my dear boy is why children who play with Linux are Dung Eaters.
>
>Have a good day.

Nice scat lames.

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"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:48:30 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> > Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
>
>"RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> You two have a lot in common, then.
>
>  Don't hate me because I'm smarter than you are Ronnie.

The snuh is strong with this one.

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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:49:45 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> Calling yourself "VistaKing" and saying "Linux is a shitstick" falls
>> below that line.
>
>
>The future of desktop computing
>-------------------------------
>
>  Currently one company - Microsoft - controls 98% of the desktop OS market,
>as a result, one company - Microsoft - will largely determine how desktop
>computing will evolve over the coming decades.  Visualizing the future of
>desktop computing is mostly then a matter of determining what Microsoft has
>planned.
>
>  Given the openly stated goals of Microsoft, their current designs, their
>necessary corporate interest to stay viable, and given the current roadmaps

Lovely screed today, screed monkey.

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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:51:43 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

><spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote
>> No common sense.
>
>Linux - The never ready OS.
>
>Every once and a while I get the urge to check out the Linux Operating
>system. I've never been fully happy with Microsoft Windows and never happy
>with Microsoft as a company, and I am eager to switch to an OS which
>provides good or better performance and utility than experienced with
>Microsoft windows.
>
>Linux gets the most hype and while MacOS and Solaris are also potential
>candidates, they always lose out because 1. MacOS comes from a flake company

No one bothered to read your screed the first six times you spammed it.

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erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:53:15 PM
VistaJustWorks wrote:

> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
> 
>>You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>And then never use one again.
> 
> 
>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the LinTurds
> crawling around in their own useless excrement.
> 
> 

You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take a 
photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
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Sun137 (1209)
2/10/2007 6:22:40 PM
Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
> VistaJustWorks wrote:

>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>> 
>>>You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>And then never use one again.
>> 
>> 
>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the LinTurds
>> crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>> 
>> 

> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take a 
> photo of it and hang it in  your living room.

No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
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spike1 (8171)
2/10/2007 6:51:44 PM
spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>
>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the
>>> LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>
>>>
>
>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take a
>> photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>
> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.

Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about them...



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Bughumper (10)
2/10/2007 6:57:58 PM
In article <%Rdzh.23689$Un.11506@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I asked you to check.  What DMA channel is your audio card using?

Why thanks very much for the request, althought your previous topic
was ATAPI cdrom drivers.

Our servers don't have audio cards.
My desktop runs macosx and uses this DMA model:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeviceDrivers/Conceptual/WritingAudioDrivers/AudioFamilyDesign/chapter_3_section_3.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000731-CJBIDABE



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pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 9:24:16 PM
Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> did eloquently scribble:
> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>
>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the
>>>> LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take a
>>> photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>
>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.

> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about them...

Thought you said you were going, vistaplonker?
Oh well, yet another character flaw to add to the dossier.
(started out as a small list, but grew surprisingly quickly into a 3 volume
set)
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spike1 (8171)
2/11/2007 9:40:58 AM
spike1@freenet.co.uk pinched out a steaming pile of<vb71a4-
cn.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com>:

>???hw??f <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>> After reading his p04sts its obvious that hes an old school coder 
for 
>> the M$ platform. He's not stupid, just sees the reality that as a 
>> developer for an OS that is loosing market share to Linux, his 
>> livilihood is in jepordy.
>> He's bitter, thats all :)
>
>Then he should get off his fat arse and learn something new for a 
change.

He "left" usenet. His guerilla marketing contract to tout Vista ran out
:)

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/11/2007 3:23:42 PM
???hw??f <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> spike1@freenet.co.uk pinched out a steaming pile of<vb71a4-
> cn.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com>:

>>???hw??f <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>> After reading his p04sts its obvious that hes an old school coder 
> for 
>>> the M$ platform. He's not stupid, just sees the reality that as a 
>>> developer for an OS that is loosing market share to Linux, his 
>>> livilihood is in jepordy.
>>> He's bitter, thats all :)
>>
>>Then he should get off his fat arse and learn something new for a 
> change.

> He "left" usenet. His guerilla marketing contract to tout Vista ran out
> :)

Nah, he just changed nicknames.
Spotted another one with a scatalogical bent this morning. Same style, same
person.
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spike1 (8171)
2/11/2007 3:25:31 PM
Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<45ce0916$0$16333$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>
>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the
>>>> LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take a
>>> photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>
>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
>
>Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about 
them...
>
You need new shtick if you're gonna claim you're "leaving" us :)

Is the shit fetish an untreated obsession?

:(



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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/11/2007 3:26:59 PM
���hw��f wrote:
> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
> of<45ce0916$0$16333$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>
>> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the
>>>>> LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take a
>>>> photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>>
>>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
>>
>> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about
>> them...
>>
> You need new shtick if you're gonna claim you're "leaving" us :)
>
> Is the shit fetish an untreated obsession?

Additional proof is not needed; you've already proved the axiom.

Here, this may help you:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enUS206US206&q=how+to+read+headers 



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Bughumper (10)
2/11/2007 5:24:29 PM
spike1@freenet.co.uk pinched out a steaming pile of<v4p3a4-
q04.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com>:

>???hw??f <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>> spike1@freenet.co.uk pinched out a steaming pile of<vb71a4-
>> cn.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com>:
>
>>>???hw??f <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>>> After reading his p04sts its obvious that hes an old school coder 
>> for 
>>>> the M$ platform. He's not stupid, just sees the reality that as a 
>>>> developer for an OS that is loosing market share to Linux, his 
>>>> livilihood is in jepordy.
>>>> He's bitter, thats all :)
>>>
>>>Then he should get off his fat arse and learn something new for a 
>> change.
>
>> He "left" usenet. His guerilla marketing contract to tout Vista ran 
out
>> :)
>
>Nah, he just changed nicknames.
>Spotted another one with a scatalogical bent this morning. Same style, 
same
>person.

He's very threatened by the concept of Free...




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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/12/2007 3:21:40 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:06:15 +0000, RonB02 wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:
> 
>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.
> 
> And yet here I am, typing this message in Pan, running on Slax, which took
> slightly over two minutes to install and load (Live Linux installs each
> time it loads) on my old Celeron 366 machine, with 256 Meg of memory.
> Video works (1024x768 85mhz), music works, network card works (obviously)
> and I can access my Windows hard drive for any files I need -- I have a
> complete, secure computer system, including office applications.

And here I am on SuSE 10.2, running Beryl on an ATi video card that they
said Beryl wouldn't run on. Granted, it took me two days to get it to
work, but the 10.2 install worked right off the bat. 

Our friend here doesn't have a clue, and therefore can't get anything to
work unless the Geek Squad installs it for him...




> 
> There is NOTHING like this in the Windows world. Nothing that even comes
> close. Even Windows techs are now carrying Live Linux CDs and thumb drives
> to fix crashed Windows computers.

There is a CD distribution you can hack to make it run Windows, I can't
remember what it is. We used it at work to fix crashed XP machines and get
data back, but after you boot from the CD, find something else to do,
cause it takes 45 minutes to load. 

I had a Thumb drive with DSL and another with Insert for just such
occasions...


> 
> There are valid pro-Windows arguments (usually the lack of particular and
> needed application -- which is why I still boot into Windows part of the
> time) but the FUD that Linux is hard to install is pure bullshit.

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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 6:58:32 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:03:32 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> "gavino" <gavcomedy@gmail.com> wrote
>> www.archlinux.org
> 
> No can do.  I've run out of CD to burn.  Gone though most of a box of 50
> and still not a single working version of the OS to be found.
> 
> But we all know with Linux, the point is to install the OS, over and over
> and over, and over again.  

HAHAHAHAHA! Install over and over again? I've been running SuSE 10.1 for a
year off the first install!

I think it has more to do with the skill of the Installer than anything
else.

And did you ever check your MD5 sums? In 7 different installs of 7
different versions of Linux, I had one bad install because I had a bad CD. 



> Never to run it.
> 
> Maybe Linux is a conspiracy by CD makers to have people purchase and then
> throw away as many of their CD's as possible.
> 
> 
> Ahahahahahahaha
> 
> Linux, the Little OS that couldn't even install itself.

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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:01:41 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:57:58 -0800, Dustbin wrote:

> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>
>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave the
>>>> LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take a
>>> photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>
>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
> 
> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about them...


Actually, we got sick of seeing them. Linux doesn't have any such
beast...if an app crashes, you force a quit and then continue what you
were doing. No need to reboot. 

And, in the event the desktop DOES crash, you press CTRL-ALT-BCKSPC and
kill the GUI server, get back to a prompt and restart the GUI. No need to
reboot the whole system.

Anything else you want to know about Linux and why a lot of things are
better than Windoze? More than happy to oblige!


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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:05:53 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:27:54 -0800, Au79 wrote:

> VistaJustWorks wrote:
> 
>> <retarded bullshit snipped>
> 
> Oh, you poor poor wintard. Thanks for exposing your sheer incompetence
> before the entire world. Your caretaker should be more careful with your
> meds.


Really...you would have thought he would have stopped after the first 50
times he said he couldn't get Linux to install. 
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:08:37 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:24:00 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> "Jim" <james@the-computer-shop.co.uk> wrote
>> I have installs going on every single day*. Very few failures; what
> failures
>> I do have are generally down to faulty hardware.
> 
>   No faulty hardware here as Windows installs perfectly and works the
> hardware to it's full capacity.
> 
>   Linux fails every time.  Every version.  On every machine.
> 


(methinks it's the installer what's the failure...)


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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:09:57 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:38:59 -0600, Daniel Packman wrote:

> In article <pan.2007.02.09.16.59.07.408087@zianet.com>, ray 
> <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:
>>
> ......
>>> Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has
>>> worked.
>>> 
>>> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
>>
>>You must be a friggin' idiot. I've done about four dozen installs now,
>>and never had one fail!!
> 
> 
> Now there is no need to be unkind. There are many people who have great
> difficulty with computers but have abilities in other areas.


It's his frustration with failing miserably at installing an OS that
practically installs itself...


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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:10:53 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:18:20 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> "JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
>> FOAD you twelve-year-old.
> 
>   Only an adolescent Tard uses a term like FOAD.
> 
> "JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
>> In any case, Feisty is beta still, and unreleased. At the very least,
>> try trolling with actual released versions.
> 
>   They don't work either.... Close to 3 dozen installs, and not a clue
>   yet.
> 
> Ahahahahah The quality of Linux is astonishing.  100% failure.

Don't think it's the OS that's the failure...
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:12:55 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:16:48 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
>> > Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
> 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> You two have a lot in common, then.
> 
>   Don't hate me because I'm smarter than you are Ronnie.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Over a dozen failed installs, and you call yourself
/SMART/ ?!?!?!?!
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:15:28 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:04:50 +0000, spike1 wrote:

> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> 
>> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>>> Apparently the "monumentally difficult" task of installing Linux is
>>> beyond you, so I'll give you an A+ for chutzpah, but an F- for your
>>> actual homework.
> 
>> Lets, see, there is a menu option of 4 selections. One of which says
>> "Install to the HD"  I highlight it and press enter.
> 
> You seem to have a knoppix fixation
> Describe some of these mythical problems you had with the "Other 36
> distros" you tried. Or was it with knoppix each time and you just got
> confused?
> 
> KNOPPIX IS A BOOTABLE CD DISTRO! IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE INSTALLED! THEY
> ONLY INCLUDE THAT OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY REALLY LIKE IT (which you
> plainly don't).
> 
> GET OVER IT.
> 
>> Installation procedes, and when it boots, I immedately get the error
>> message "An application has crashed.",  No networking support,   Menu
>> selections not keeping their settings, IP's settings not keeping their
>> values.
> 
> Ahhh diddums.
> Knoppix != linux. Linux is a generic term for every distribution of the
> kernel and assiciated tools. If one doesn't work, you try another. If you
> insist on installing it, you choose one DESIGNED TO BE INSTALLED.
> 
>> It's a Brilliant work of LinTurdness.
> 
> Your stupidity is boundless.
> 
>> Tell me Ronnie, should I not have pressed enter to install?
> 
> Nope, you shouldn't.


He said he couldn't get SuSE working, also.
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:18:03 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:11:49 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

>   You will be crushed like bugs soon enough.


Huh? "Crushed like bugs"?
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:23:31 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:02:47 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> With your obviously limited expertise, a preinstalled OS is clearly
>> better for you.
> 
> In other words the LinTard solution to the inability of Linux to support
> standard hardware is to purchase new hardware that the OS does support.
> Purchas a new PC.

I've got Linux working on three machines from 10 years old to one I just
built. I have one distribution running the Bling Desktop manager on a
Video card/CPU combination they said wouldn't work, and it hasn't crashed
yet. 

I'm a Windows Support Technician with about 2.5 years 'experience' with
Linux, and that's just getting it installed and running, and typing
messages to fools like you. I really don't know the first friggin'  thing
about how Linux REALLY works...

And yet, I get hardware to work they say won't, and have had one failure
in about 8-10 installs. 

Think you'd better step back and take a look at who the retard is. But,
you'll just respond with yet ANOTHER message indicating how incompetent
you are!


You rememind me of my brother in law. He would call up and say, "I was
running this program and got an error message saying it couldn't find such
and such a .DLL...DUH!!!!!

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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:30:16 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:53:31 +0000, §ñühw¤£f wrote:

>>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>>> With your obviously limited expertise, a preinstalled OS is clearly
>>> better for you.
>>
>>In other words the LinTard solution to the inability of Linux to
> support
>>standard hardware is to purchase new hardware that the OS does
> support.
> 
> Oh no. This *aint* new hardware daddyo...this is a chipset from 1998. Now
> tell me why windoze aint supportin it:
> 
> Intel AGP 82443EX aka the 440EX (8244EX/81371AB)


Yeah, I had a lot of fun with that chipset. In windoze, that is. IIRC,
there is a patch for it...somewhere...


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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:31:48 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:18:44 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> Yes, often no user interaction is needed to install Linux (in various
> distros)
>> or Windows (in various flavors). If you have hardware that is not
> supported by
>> your particular install media, then intervention is needed.
> 
> Ooh, the hardware is supported Danial.  But not 3d support for my 7200
> series ATI video card.  Ahahahahahahahahaha   useless Linux.

I had complete 3D support for a 7000. On Linux. Windoze didn't know how to
handle the chipset to turn the AGP on properly, so XP kept crashing
whenever you tried to enable 3D. Yeah, that's a LOT better then Linux. I
had to buy a new video card...for Windoze...and it still didn't work in 3D.

Any more stories you want refuted? I have a LOT of hardware that works
flawlessly in Linux but needs patching an massaging in Windoze.

> 
> In any case the network card is supported, Ubuntu was simply not capable
> of setting it up, and wouldn't allow it to be set up manually either.

This is a sad state of affairs, if you can't even get Ubuntu working
properly...

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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:37:11 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:56:34 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> We have had video card support problems in windows and linux. Often a
>> better driver can be found (for either OS) at the manufacturer's web
>> site.
> 
>  Manufacturer refers me back to you guys....  What I find are unstable
> drivers and even with those, the OS Kernel has to be recompiled.
> 

Is *THAT waht was going on after I installed a new ATi driver and it said
"Recompiling kernel"?!?! Yeah, it took all of about 30 seconds.


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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:39:29 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
> 
>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
> 
> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here care
> one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux (in your
> oh-so-very-articulate way)?


Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses Bug
Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better for the
REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...

'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE, Debian,
etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you get something
like Vista...


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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:42:46 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:47:35 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>> Like I said, put the CD *in* the drive (label side up) and quit putting
>> syrup on it -- it's not a pancake. You should have a lot better luck.
> 
>   Sorry, the install failed.  Linux is at fault in every case, and you are
> wrong about the disk being a pancake as well.


Hmmmm....thirty-six tries, and /LINUX/ is the problem...?
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:45:16 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:16:22 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> "JDS" <jeffrey@invalid.address> wrote
>> For real. VJW/VE or "*Vista*" or whatever he's called is in a class on
>> his own.
> 
>   Given my 160-180 IQ, it just stands to reason that my class would be so
> small.

All that and you can't get Linux running after 36 attempts?

I wouldn't go advertising either of these 'facts', if I were you...



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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:47:45 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:14:13 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On Fri 09 Feb 2007 07:51:39p, "VistaJustWorks"
> <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote:
>  
>> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>>> And yet I *can* install Linux. Hmmmm... interesting.
>> 
>> 
>> Well, that's your unsubstantiated claim.
> 
> I guess it would sound incredible to someone who still can't figure out
> how all those people fit inside of those little TVs.
> 
> But, yeah, the whole world is a "conspiracy" to make you look stupid.
> 
> Give up. Installing Linux is just another one of those many things that
> you're never going to quite grasp.


Like, walking and chewing gum at the same time?  ;P
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 7:49:01 PM
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>
>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
>> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here care
>> one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux (in your
>> oh-so-very-articulate way)?
> 
> 
> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses Bug
> Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better for the
> REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
> 
> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE, Debian,
> etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you get something
> like Vista...

No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space. 
Most linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw logic. 
For the most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or whatever is 
quickest -- for the task at hand.

If all you want to do is surf the web, word process and play solitaire 
-- linux has you covered.  If you want to program in any number of 
languages, recompile the kernel, run a web or file server, learn 
computer science, etc. then you're covered too.

The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is poised 
more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an increasingly 
dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only get so dumb.  ;-)
0
2/12/2007 7:55:19 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=
<Trueno@AE86.gts>
 wrote
on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:01:41 GMT
<pQ2Ah.2456$H77.2152@trndny08>:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:03:32 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>
>> 
>> "gavino" <gavcomedy@gmail.com> wrote
>>> www.archlinux.org
>> 
>> No can do.  I've run out of CD to burn.  Gone though most of a box of 50
>> and still not a single working version of the OS to be found.
>> 
>> But we all know with Linux, the point is to install the OS, over and over
>> and over, and over again.  
>
> HAHAHAHAHA! Install over and over again? I've been running SuSE 10.1 for a
> year off the first install!
>
> I think it has more to do with the skill of the Installer than anything
> else.

And that's why VistaJustWorks(tm).  He doesn't need to install it, as
it's already installed for him.

(And infected for him, as well.  But with Aero, the
infection will lead to very beautiful (FSVO) results,
presumably.)

>
> And did you ever check your MD5 sums? In 7 different installs of 7
> different versions of Linux, I had one bad install because I had a bad CD. 

Oh, now you're getting into all of the technofiddlybit stuff.
That's unfair. :-)

That's one of the advantages of using tgz, zip and rpms;
the corruption becomes readily apparent because if a single
bit is flipped during transmission (or, more likely,
a carriage return gets inadvertantly added or dropped)
the decompression goes wildly awry, though I'm not 100%
sure it will abort with an error.  (99.9% sure, maybe.)
..iso doesn't quite have that capability, and has the
further problem that a "short burn" appears to work until
one actually attempts access of the file data beyond
the burn.

[snippages]

>> Linux, the Little OS that couldn't even install itself.
>

Well, he's technically right, but most distros have
developed (or snagged) very nice methods by which one can
install Linux, plus everything else one requires and/or
wishes, in order to form a usable system.

Vista has much the same problem; NTOSKRNL.EXE probably couldn't
install itself either. ;-)

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
People think that libraries are safe.  They're wrong.  They have ideas.
(Also occasionally ectoplasmic slime and cute librarians.)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/12/2007 8:19:20 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=
<Trueno@AE86.gts>
 wrote
on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:23:31 GMT
<T83Ah.2937$8b1.198@trndny03>:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:11:49 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>
>>   You will be crushed like bugs soon enough.
>
>
> Huh? "Crushed like bugs"?

Is anyone else reminded here of a certain The Kids In The Hall skit?

(The general idea is that the camera shoots through a hand making
pinching motions while a distant target, properly aligned (that might be
a bit tricky) appears to be "squished" but only because all three line
up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Tyzik

illustrates this effect; apparently this is the name of the character,
portrayed by Mark McKinney.

We now return you to your regular VistaTrollBashing(tm).)

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Windows.  Because it's not a question of if.
It's a question of when.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/12/2007 8:24:57 PM
Paul Bramscher wrote:
> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
>>> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here
>>> care one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize
>>> Linux (in your oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>>
>>
>> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses
>> Bug Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better
>> for the REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
>>
>> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE,
>> Debian, etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you
>> get something like Vista...
>
> No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space.
> Most linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw logic.
> For the most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or whatever
> is quickest -- for the task at hand.
>
> If all you want to do is surf the web, word process and play solitaire
> -- linux has you covered.  If you want to program in any number of
> languages, recompile the kernel, run a web or file server, learn
> computer science, etc. then you're covered too.
>
> The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is
> poised more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an
> increasingly dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only get
> so dumb.  ;-)

Lots seem to agree too:

      Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 6,490 for "linux makes you stupid".

      Groups    View all web results �    Results 1 - 10 of about 6,240 for 
"linux makes you stupid"




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Bughumper (10)
2/12/2007 8:44:11 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:29:36 -0600, Dale Kelly wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:13:18 -0500, VistaEra wrote:
> 
>> Feisty
> 
> 
> is the non-stable version of Ubuntu designed for beta testing


Dude can't even get stable versions running, and he's screwing with a
pre-release version?
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 9:32:44 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:07:18 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:

> 
> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:c3pt94-ncr.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>> VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>> >  And even though it's crash prone, doens't operate, can't set up the
>> > network correctly, and has a host of other errors, some of which have
> been
>> > with Linux for over a decade
>>
>> Name one.
> 
> In all versions of Linux that I have had the displeasure of seeing, going
> back about 10 years when I first saw the first GUI's, if you have a window
> pop up on the screen, and there happens to be a button drawn under your
> existing mouse pointer, pressing the mouse button does not register a
> button press even though it should.  You have to move the mouse pointer
> off the button and then back on in order for a mouse click to register.
> 
> Stupid... Stupid... LinTurd.


This can be disabled quite easily.
But then, you have to have a clue what you're doing.
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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 9:34:16 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:57:46 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
>> Tell me where to get feisty, I'll install it and tell you how to do it.
> 
>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/
> 
> Don't bother.  The LinTard Linux OS is to bug ridden to do anything with.

Thanks! I was able to get Beryl working on a video card they said wouldn't
work, this should be a snap!

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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 9:36:41 PM
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:19:20 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>>> Linux, the Little OS that couldn't even install itself.
>>
>>
> Well, he's technically right, but most distros have developed (or snagged)
> very nice methods by which one can install Linux, plus everything else one
> requires and/or wishes, in order to form a usable system.
> 
> Vista has much the same problem; NTOSKRNL.EXE probably couldn't install
> itself either. ;-)


I can't get 2K to install on a Gateway! But that's only one computer. I
guess I'll have to use Knoppix or Ubuntu Live to get what I want off the
harddrive, and then blow it away and start over.

Hey, wait...I'm beginning to sound like our friend who can't install Linux!
I thought Windows was supposed to be the one that was so easy...

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Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 9:44:27 PM
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:55:19 -0600, Paul Bramscher wrote:

> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
>>> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here care
>>> one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux (in
>>> your oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses Bug
>> Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better for the
>> REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
>> 
>> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE,
>> Debian, etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you get
>> something like Vista...
> 
> No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space. Most
> linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw logic. For the
> most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or whatever is quickest
> -- for the task at hand.

LOL! I'm not a 'command line' kind of guy! I *LIKE* the GUIs! And, I got
Beryl running on SuSE 10.2, and it blows Vista Aero into the weeds! So, I
get a slick looking, infinitely configurable desktop that really lets me
customize it the way I want, for free! There are two reasons I started
with Linux in the first place: I wanted a FREE Newsreader (Pan is quite to
my liking, thank you!) and when I saw what you could do with the desktop,
I was blown away! (There's some guy in another group I go to that's using
*tin*! Now, THAT'S hardcore!!!)  ;)




> 
> If all you want to do is surf the web, word process and play solitaire --
> linux has you covered.  If you want to program in any number of languages,
> recompile the kernel, run a web or file server, learn computer science,
> etc. then you're covered too.

Well, surf and do newsgroups, but I use K3B much more often than I do
Nero. I took all my songs, photos, etc and put them on a FAT32 drive so I
can access them either way, and I have Nero for Windows and Linux, but
wind up using K3B much more often. The Nero for Windows was bundled and
only sees one DVD; Nero for Linux and K3B sees them both.

I also use The Gimp almost as much as I do Paint Shop Pro. Often I'll set
the first set of effects in Paint Shop Pro, save the photo, reboot and
finish it with The Gimp. 

I can rip though my proofs with Kuickshow even faster than ACDSee, or
start GQView and not only be able to preview my proofs, but do File
Management on them as well as pick them with The Gimp to edit them. 

All in all for all the Apps I use in Linux on a daily basis, I am either
as pleased or more pleased with them that their Windows counterparts. I
guess I expect Paint Shop to be a little better than the Gimp, since I
PAID for it. 

The only trouble I have is with streaming media in Linux, esp if the site
is set up for Media player only. I can usually figure a way to get it
working, though. And, it would be nice if Adobe got Flash going in 64 bit!


Too bad Vista King or whatever he calls himself today can't get things
going to see what he's missing!


> 
> The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is poised
> more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an increasingly
> dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only get so dumb.  ;-)

LOL! I work in Tech Support! They can get pretty dumb!!

0
Trueno (110)
2/12/2007 9:56:42 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=
<Trueno@AE86.gts>
 wrote
on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:44:27 GMT
<%c5Ah.455$103.131@trndny05>:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:19:20 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>>>> Linux, the Little OS that couldn't even install itself.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, he's technically right, but most distros have developed (or snagged)
>> very nice methods by which one can install Linux, plus everything else one
>> requires and/or wishes, in order to form a usable system.
>> 
>> Vista has much the same problem; NTOSKRNL.EXE probably couldn't install
>> itself either. ;-)
>
>
> I can't get 2K to install on a Gateway! But that's only one computer. I
> guess I'll have to use Knoppix or Ubuntu Live to get what I want off the
> harddrive, and then blow it away and start over.

Read-only NTFS and write to NFS...a reasonable combination. ;-)

>
> Hey, wait...I'm beginning to sound like our friend who can't install Linux!
> I thought Windows was supposed to be the one that was so easy...
>

In its way, it is, since it's preinstalled.  But if
one installs it onself, well, then one gets into Reboot
City, from what I've seen thus far.  (Apparently this is
regardless of whether it's Win95 or Vista.)  I'll admit
I'm wondering whether a vanilla Vista (on a machine
that requires no additional software or drivers) would
require only two reboots, but I have my doubts.  Most Linux
distributions with the possible exception of Gentoo (and
Gentoo now has a LiveDisc which allows inclusion into this
group) require at most two reboots -- and one is to boot
the LiveDisc upon initial poweron.

And unless one takes careful steps to avoid Windows Bit
Rot(tm) -- my favorite recommendation is to fix the size
of that paging file and not let it auto-expand; there are
also issues regarding viruses and such as well, of course
-- one gets to reinstall anyway, after a few months.  How
one does that without some sort of OEM Vista Disc, I for
one don't know.

I don't remember *when* I initially installed Gentoo, though
I've had to change the profile on my machine every so often.

-- 
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People think that libraries are safe.  They're wrong.  They have ideas.
(Also occasionally ectoplasmic slime and cute librarians.)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/12/2007 10:57:09 PM
Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:55:19 -0600, Paul Bramscher wrote:
> 
>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>>>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
>>>> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here care
>>>> one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux (in
>>>> your oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>>>
>>> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses Bug
>>> Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better for the
>>> REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
>>>
>>> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE,
>>> Debian, etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you get
>>> something like Vista...
>> No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space. Most
>> linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw logic. For the
>> most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or whatever is quickest
>> -- for the task at hand.
> 
> LOL! I'm not a 'command line' kind of guy! I *LIKE* the GUIs! And, I got
> Beryl running on SuSE 10.2, and it blows Vista Aero into the weeds! So, I
> get a slick looking, infinitely configurable desktop that really lets me
> customize it the way I want, for free! There are two reasons I started
> with Linux in the first place: I wanted a FREE Newsreader (Pan is quite to
> my liking, thank you!) and when I saw what you could do with the desktop,
> I was blown away! (There's some guy in another group I go to that's using
> *tin*! Now, THAT'S hardcore!!!)  ;)

I'm in the middle, I usually have a couple bash sessions open, as well 
as KDE, FireFox, Thunderbird, etc. running.  No reason to stick with 30 
year old software out of principle, unless you've got 30 year old 
hardware too.

Every user should be able to strike his own balance between power of the 
environment, preexisting habits, system performance, ease, etc.  Linux 
has preserved the widest spectrum, allowing people to pick-and-chose 
like no other OS.

> Too bad Vista King or whatever he calls himself today can't get things
> going to see what he's missing!

>> The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is poised
>> more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an increasingly
>> dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only get so dumb.  ;-)
> 
> LOL! I work in Tech Support! They can get pretty dumb!!

Heh...  I'm a developer, so I can't afford to get dumb.  :-)  The 
ability to go in deep, under the hood, do some low-level forensics, 
working as closely to the box as is time effective, etc. makes linux a 
hand's down winner for me.

In any case, linux is now catering to a WIDE range of people.  That's 
clearly a good thing.  :-)
0
2/12/2007 11:11:37 PM
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:57:09 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno@AE86.gts>
>  wrote
> on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:44:27 GMT
> <%c5Ah.455$103.131@trndny05>:
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:19:20 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>>>>> Linux, the Little OS that couldn't even install itself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well, he's technically right, but most distros have developed (or
>>> snagged) very nice methods by which one can install Linux, plus
>>> everything else one requires and/or wishes, in order to form a usable
>>> system.
>>> 
>>> Vista has much the same problem; NTOSKRNL.EXE probably couldn't install
>>> itself either. ;-)
>>
>>
>> I can't get 2K to install on a Gateway! But that's only one computer. I
>> guess I'll have to use Knoppix or Ubuntu Live to get what I want off the
>> harddrive, and then blow it away and start over.
> 
> Read-only NTFS and write to NFS...a reasonable combination. ;-)
> 
> 
>> Hey, wait...I'm beginning to sound like our friend who can't install
>> Linux! I thought Windows was supposed to be the one that was so easy...
>>
>>
> In its way, it is, since it's preinstalled.  But if one installs it
> onself, well, then one gets into Reboot City, from what I've seen thus
> far.  (Apparently this is regardless of whether it's Win95 or Vista.) 
> I'll admit I'm wondering whether a vanilla Vista (on a machine that
> requires no additional software or drivers) would require only two
> reboots, but I have my doubts.  Most Linux distributions with the possible
> exception of Gentoo (and Gentoo now has a LiveDisc which allows inclusion
> into this group) require at most two reboots -- and one is to boot the
> LiveDisc upon initial poweron.
> 
> And unless one takes careful steps to avoid Windows Bit Rot(tm) -- my
> favorite recommendation is to fix the size of that paging file and not let
> it auto-expand; there are also issues regarding viruses and such as well,
> of course -- one gets to reinstall anyway, after a few months.  How one
> does that without some sort of OEM Vista Disc, I for one don't know.
> 
> I don't remember *when* I initially installed Gentoo, though I've had to
> change the profile on my machine every so often.

I'm an OS freak. I've tried just about every OS that's ever been on a PC;
VMS on a PDP-8, CP/M, Dos, DR DOS, 4DOS (which actually only rode on top
of DOS), GEM (another 'rider'), GeoWorks, All versions of Windows, a few
versions of Linux, and something called Plan 9 from Lucent Technologies,
athough that was a miserable failure. But I'm not afraid to say it was my
own misunderstanding of the OS that lead to Plan 9's meltdown!  ;)




> 
> -- 
> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net
> People think that libraries are safe.  They're wrong.  They have ideas.
> (Also occasionally ectoplasmic slime and cute librarians.)

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loon3180 (36)
2/13/2007 12:00:37 AM
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>>>>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
>>>>> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here
>>>>> care one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize Linux
>>>>> (in your oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses Bug
>>>> Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better for
>>>> the REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
>>>>
>>>> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE,
>>>> Debian, etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you
>>>> get something like Vista...
>>> No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space.
>>> Most linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw logic.
>>> For the most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or whatever is
>>> quickest -- for the task at hand.
>> 
>> LOL! I'm not a 'command line' kind of guy! I *LIKE* the GUIs! And, I got
>> Beryl running on SuSE 10.2, and it blows Vista Aero into the weeds! So,
>> I get a slick looking, infinitely configurable desktop that really lets
>> me customize it the way I want, for free! There are two reasons I
>> started with Linux in the first place: I wanted a FREE Newsreader (Pan
>> is quite to my liking, thank you!) and when I saw what you could do with
>> the desktop, I was blown away! (There's some guy in another group I go
>> to that's using *tin*! Now, THAT'S hardcore!!!)  ;)
> 
> I'm in the middle, I usually have a couple bash sessions open, as well as
> KDE, FireFox, Thunderbird, etc. running.  No reason to stick with 30 year
> old software out of principle, unless you've got 30 year old hardware too.
> 
> Every user should be able to strike his own balance between power of the
> environment, preexisting habits, system performance, ease, etc.  Linux has
> preserved the widest spectrum, allowing people to pick-and-chose like no
> other OS.
> 
>> Too bad Vista King or whatever he calls himself today can't get things
>> going to see what he's missing!
> 
>>> The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is poised
>>> more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an increasingly
>>> dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only get so dumb.  ;-)
>> 
>> LOL! I work in Tech Support! They can get pretty dumb!!
> 
> Heh...  I'm a developer, so I can't afford to get dumb.  :-)  The ability
> to go in deep, under the hood, do some low-level forensics, working as
> closely to the box as is time effective, etc. makes linux a hand's down
> winner for me.
> 
> In any case, linux is now catering to a WIDE range of people.  That's
> clearly a good thing.  :-)


Someone in the SuSE group a feew years ago posted a response to a query I
made with a !=  (or was it /=  ?) Iand I said, "What's that mean?" I got a
bunch of responses.

When I expressed my surprise at the number of responses, they said,
"Because it shows that Linux is finally getting to people that AREN'T
programmers!"

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loon3180 (36)
2/13/2007 12:03:44 AM
Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.gts> did eloquently scribble:
> LOL! I'm not a 'command line' kind of guy! I *LIKE* the GUIs! And, I got
> Beryl running on SuSE 10.2, and it blows Vista Aero into the weeds! So, I
> get a slick looking, infinitely configurable desktop that really lets me
> customize it the way I want, for free! There are two reasons I started
> with Linux in the first place: I wanted a FREE Newsreader (Pan is quite to
> my liking, thank you!) and when I saw what you could do with the desktop,
> I was blown away! (There's some guy in another group I go to that's using
> *tin*! Now, THAT'S hardcore!!!)  ;)

*I'M* still using tin.
Have been since my first usenet post in 1995 and see no reason to change
now.
:)
Hardcore?

> The only trouble I have is with streaming media in Linux, esp if the site
> is set up for Media player only. I can usually figure a way to get it
> working, though. And, it would be nice if Adobe got Flash going in 64 bit!

MPlayer and opera or firefox's flash video downloader plugins are a godsend.
MPlayer is quite capable of either playing streams (including rtsp and mms)
It can even play flv files if you've downloaded them using the plugins.
The only thing mplayer can't do is play DRM'd wmv10.
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spike1 (8171)
2/13/2007 12:18:18 AM
spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.gts> did eloquently scribble:
>> LOL! I'm not a 'command line' kind of guy! I *LIKE* the GUIs! And, I got
>> Beryl running on SuSE 10.2, and it blows Vista Aero into the weeds! So, I
>> get a slick looking, infinitely configurable desktop that really lets me
>> customize it the way I want, for free! There are two reasons I started
>> with Linux in the first place: I wanted a FREE Newsreader (Pan is quite to
>> my liking, thank you!) and when I saw what you could do with the desktop,
>> I was blown away! (There's some guy in another group I go to that's using
>> *tin*! Now, THAT'S hardcore!!!)  ;)
> 
> *I'M* still using tin.
> Have been since my first usenet post in 1995 and see no reason to change
> now.
> :)
> Hardcore?
> 
>> The only trouble I have is with streaming media in Linux, esp if the site
>> is set up for Media player only. I can usually figure a way to get it
>> working, though. And, it would be nice if Adobe got Flash going in 64 bit!
> 
> MPlayer and opera or firefox's flash video downloader plugins are a godsend.
> MPlayer is quite capable of either playing streams (including rtsp and mms)
> It can even play flv files if you've downloaded them using the plugins.
> The only thing mplayer can't do is play DRM'd wmv10.

Not yet.  I'm sure our people are working on it.  ;-)

0
2/13/2007 1:29:02 AM
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:18:18 +0000, spike1 wrote:

> Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.gts> did eloquently scribble:
>> LOL! I'm not a 'command line' kind of guy! I *LIKE* the GUIs! And, I got
>> Beryl running on SuSE 10.2, and it blows Vista Aero into the weeds! So,
>> I get a slick looking, infinitely configurable desktop that really lets
>> me customize it the way I want, for free! There are two reasons I
>> started with Linux in the first place: I wanted a FREE Newsreader (Pan
>> is quite to my liking, thank you!) and when I saw what you could do with
>> the desktop, I was blown away! (There's some guy in another group I go
>> to that's using *tin*! Now, THAT'S hardcore!!!)  ;)
> 
> *I'M* still using tin.
> Have been since my first usenet post in 1995 and see no reason to change
> now.
> :)
> Hardcore?

Old-timer? Somehow, operating text only from a command line doesn't float
my boat!  ;)


> 
>> The only trouble I have is with streaming media in Linux, esp if the
>> site is set up for Media player only. I can usually figure a way to get
>> it working, though. And, it would be nice if Adobe got Flash going in 64
>> bit!
> 
> MPlayer and opera or firefox's flash video downloader plugins are a
> godsend. MPlayer is quite capable of either playing streams (including
> rtsp and mms) It can even play flv files if you've downloaded them using
> the plugins. The only thing mplayer can't do is play DRM'd wmv10.

I've got MPlayer and all the plugins, and it generally does a good job,
until it comes to flash. This was my first 64-bit install and I don't
think I included the 32 bit emulator, and I can't get flash to work a lot
of the time. I have Seamonkey installed, and Firefox and Seamonkey do the
best. 

I don't want to install the 32 bit emulator, because, except for Flash,
everything is working so well, I don't want to make any problems!

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Trueno (110)
2/13/2007 2:58:51 AM
Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<45cf44ac$0$16297$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:

>���hw��f wrote:
>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>> of<45ce0916$0$16333$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>
>>> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave 
the
>>>>>> LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should take 
a
>>>>> photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>>>
>>>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
>>>
>>> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about
>>> them...
>>>
>> You need new shtick if you're gonna claim you're "leaving" us :)
>>
>> Is the shit fetish an untreated obsession?
>
>Additional proof is not needed; you've already proved the axiom.
>
>Here, this may help you:
>http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-
8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enUS206US206&q=how+to+read+headers 
>
>
Hiding behind a free NNTP server now?

Its the scat lames that are the dead giveaway, dimmy.

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/13/2007 3:04:14 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Dustbin
<Bughumper@gemail.come>
 wrote
on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:44:11 -0800
<45d0c4f8$0$16398$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
> Paul Bramscher wrote:
>> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>>>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you like
>>>> Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux advocates here
>>>> care one way or the other. Why do you care so much to criticize
>>>> Linux (in your oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses
>>> Bug Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better
>>> for the REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
>>>
>>> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE,
>>> Debian, etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you
>>> get something like Vista...
>>
>> No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space.
>> Most linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw logic.
>> For the most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or whatever
>> is quickest -- for the task at hand.
>>
>> If all you want to do is surf the web, word process and play solitaire
>> -- linux has you covered.  If you want to program in any number of
>> languages, recompile the kernel, run a web or file server, learn
>> computer science, etc. then you're covered too.
>>
>> The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is
>> poised more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an
>> increasingly dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only get
>> so dumb.  ;-)
>
> Lots seem to agree too:
>
>       Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 6,490 for "linux makes you stupid".
>
>       Groups    View all web results �    Results 1 - 10 of about 6,240 for 
> "linux makes you stupid"
>

Obviously.  One of the things that keeps Windows people on their toes is
the preponderance of online malware and viruses, and the patches
therefor, making everyone rush madly to figure out what needs to be
patched and in what order, and scheduling reboots.

On Linux, we just sort of sit here and go "duh, what virus?"

Yeah, that's pretty stupid all right.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/13/2007 3:50:51 PM
���hw��f wrote:
> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
> of<45cf44ac$0$16297$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>
>> ���hw��f wrote:
>>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>>> of<45ce0916$0$16333$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>
>>>> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>>>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave
>>>>>>> the LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should
>>>>>> take a photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>>>>
>>>>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about
>>>> them...
>>>>
>>> You need new shtick if you're gonna claim you're "leaving" us :)
>>>
>>> Is the shit fetish an untreated obsession?
>>
>> Additional proof is not needed; you've already proved the axiom.
>>
>> Here, this may help you:
>> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-
> 8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enUS206US206&q=how+to+read+headers
>>
>>
> Hiding behind a free NNTP server now?
>
> Its the scat lames that are the dead giveaway, dimmy.

Dustbin got it wrong. You're quite a lot dumber than he thinks if you
believe he's your soul-mate "VistaJustWorks"



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nospam6157 (176)
2/13/2007 5:06:50 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:57:46 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
>> Tell me where to get feisty, I'll install it and tell you how to do it.
> 
>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/
> 
> Don't bother.  The LinTard Linux OS is to bug ridden to do anything with.
> 
> 
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
>> Feisty is a prototype, much the same Vista RC1 was. So, for all the people
>> who told me my troubles with RC1 weren't realized in the Final Version, I
>> say the same to you.
> 
>   Every version of Linux is a prototype. And not a single version works.
> 
>   All A pile of stinking crap, all million versions.

Well, take a look at my sig...

Now, I could tell you how to get this to install. Takes all of 3 seconds
and 1 click of a mouse. But, you don't REALLY want to know afterall, do
you?

No, better stick with Vista. It's been dumbed-down enough so even people
that haven't a clue what a computer is can use one.

Oh, BTW, not only did I get it to install AND upgrade, I'm also running it
from a USB HDD. 	

Now, for a REAL challenge! I'm going to get Beryl installed and running on
this installation. That actually may take a couple days, but since I
already got it running on SuSE and now know what to look for, it may not
take as long. 

Oh, yeah! Thanks for the pointer to the .ISO!!!




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Trueno (110)
2/13/2007 6:16:37 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:14:13 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On Fri 09 Feb 2007 07:51:39p, "VistaJustWorks"
> <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>, wrote: 
>  
>> "RonB" <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote
>>> And yet I *can* install Linux. Hmmmm... interesting.
>> 
>> 
>> Well, that's your unsubstantiated claim. 
> 
> I guess it would sound incredible to someone who still can't figure out 
> how all those people fit inside of those little TVs.
> 
> But, yeah, the whole world is a "conspiracy" to make you look stupid.
> 
> Give up. Installing Linux is just another one of those many things that 
> you're never going to quite grasp.    
>


After his pointer to the Feisty-Fawn ISO, I was able to get it running and
installed...on a USB Drive!

Now, I gotta go pick up some parts so I can finish putting the engine on
my Supra back together! Ta-Ta!


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Trueno (110)
2/13/2007 6:18:25 PM
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Dustbin
> <Bughumper@gemail.come>
> wrote
> on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:44:11 -0800
> <45d0c4f8$0$16398$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>> Paul Bramscher wrote:
>>> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>>>>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you
>>>>> like Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux
>>>>> advocates here care one way or the other. Why do you care so much
>>>>> to criticize Linux (in your oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses
>>>> Bug Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better
>>>> for the REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
>>>>
>>>> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE,
>>>> Debian, etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you
>>>> get something like Vista...
>>>
>>> No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space.
>>> Most linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw
>>> logic. For the most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or
>>> whatever is quickest -- for the task at hand.
>>>
>>> If all you want to do is surf the web, word process and play
>>> solitaire -- linux has you covered.  If you want to program in any
>>> number of languages, recompile the kernel, run a web or file
>>> server, learn computer science, etc. then you're covered too.
>>>
>>> The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is
>>> poised more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an
>>> increasingly dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only
>>> get so dumb.  ;-)
>>
>> Lots seem to agree too:
>>
>>       Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 6,490 for "linux makes you
>> stupid".
>>
>>       Groups    View all web results �    Results 1 - 10 of about
>> 6,240 for "linux makes you stupid"
>>
>
> Obviously.  One of the things that keeps Windows people on their toes
> is the preponderance of online malware and viruses, and the patches
> therefor, making everyone rush madly to figure out what needs to be
> patched and in what order, and scheduling reboots.

I've been connecting Windows PCs to the Internet since the early '90's, 
before then I used UNIX systems. I've yet to be infected with a virus. One 
can avoid getting infected by using Common Sense, and if you don't have any, 
you _should_ run linux.

>
> On Linux, we just sort of sit here and go "duh, what virus?"
>
> Yeah, that's pretty stupid all right.

I've no argument with that.


0
2/13/2007 7:38:00 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, relic
<nospam.nospam@relic211.cjb.net>
 wrote
on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:38:00 -0800
<45d21398$0$24732$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>:
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Dustbin
>> <Bughumper@gemail.come>
>> wrote
>> on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:44:11 -0800
>> <45d0c4f8$0$16398$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>> Paul Bramscher wrote:
>>>> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500, JDS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:12:45 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux - The Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
>>>>>> But seriously now, all trolling aside, what is the deal? If you
>>>>>> like Windows so much, then go ahead and use it. No Linux
>>>>>> advocates here care one way or the other. Why do you care so much
>>>>>> to criticize Linux (in your oh-so-very-articulate way)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, no, I like having people like him run Linux, 'cause if he uses
>>>>> Bug Buddy and reports back to the Distributor, that makes it better
>>>>> for the REST of us. The next Distro will be that much better...
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Course, there's a caveat here, also: we don't want anybody (SuSE,
>>>>> Debian, etc) dumbing down Linux so any dipshit can run it. Then you
>>>>> get something like Vista...
>>>>
>>>> No worry.  Linux separates application space, GUI, and kernel space.
>>>> Most linux apps are simply front-ends over conf. files and raw
>>>> logic. For the most part, you simply pick your comfort level -- or
>>>> whatever is quickest -- for the task at hand.
>>>>
>>>> If all you want to do is surf the web, word process and play
>>>> solitaire -- linux has you covered.  If you want to program in any
>>>> number of languages, recompile the kernel, run a web or file
>>>> server, learn computer science, etc. then you're covered too.
>>>>
>>>> The two aren't at odds with one another, and that's why linux is
>>>> poised more than ever.  M$ market strategy is banking on an
>>>> increasingly dumbed-down sector, but people -- ultimately -- only
>>>> get so dumb.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Lots seem to agree too:
>>>
>>>       Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 6,490 for "linux makes you
>>> stupid".
>>>
>>>       Groups    View all web results �    Results 1 - 10 of about
>>> 6,240 for "linux makes you stupid"
>>>
>>
>> Obviously.  One of the things that keeps Windows people on their toes
>> is the preponderance of online malware and viruses, and the patches
>> therefor, making everyone rush madly to figure out what needs to be
>> patched and in what order, and scheduling reboots.
>
> I've been connecting Windows PCs to the Internet since the early '90's, 
> before then I used UNIX systems. I've yet to be infected with a virus. One 
> can avoid getting infected by using Common Sense, and if you don't have any, 
> you _should_ run linux.

Windows can *never* be infected by an incoming virus if
one uses a frontend firewall, supplied by default by most
DSL or cable providers, presumably.  Worms can be dealt
with using additional software and/or changing from OE to
something like Bat or Communicator.

This is really a non-issue.  I'm not all that impressed
with UAC admittedly but it will neither help nor hurt
at this point, except maybe for being an annoyance.

Of course, Windows naked on the Internet may be highly
vulnerable, but then so is a beautiful young Queen or
Princess, which is why royalty is usually ensconsced
in a castle surrounded by turrets, crenels, and lots
of archers.  :-)  (And presumably a regent if she's
underage.)

>
>>
>> On Linux, we just sort of sit here and go "duh, what virus?"
>>
>> Yeah, that's pretty stupid all right.
>
> I've no argument with that.
>

Duh, what's a virus?  Duh.


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ewill5 (11075)
2/13/2007 8:07:00 PM
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:16:37 +0000, Hachiroku wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:57:46 -0500, VistaEra wrote:
> 
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
>>> Tell me where to get feisty, I'll install it and tell you how to do it.
>> 
>>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/
>> 
>> Don't bother.  The LinTard Linux OS is to bug ridden to do anything with.
>> 
>> 
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
>>> Feisty is a prototype, much the same Vista RC1 was. So, for all the people
>>> who told me my troubles with RC1 weren't realized in the Final Version, I
>>> say the same to you.
>> 
>>   Every version of Linux is a prototype. And not a single version works.
>> 
>>   All A pile of stinking crap, all million versions.
> 
> Well, take a look at my sig...
> 
> Now, I could tell you how to get this to install. Takes all of 3 seconds
> and 1 click of a mouse. But, you don't REALLY want to know afterall, do
> you?
> 
> No, better stick with Vista. It's been dumbed-down enough so even people
> that haven't a clue what a computer is can use one.
> 
> Oh, BTW, not only did I get it to install AND upgrade, I'm also running it
> from a USB HDD. 	
> 
> Now, for a REAL challenge! I'm going to get Beryl installed and running on
> this installation. That actually may take a couple days, but since I
> already got it running on SuSE and now know what to look for, it may not
> take as long. 
> 
> Oh, yeah! Thanks for the pointer to the .ISO!!!
> 
> 
> 
>

What?


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Trueno (110)
2/13/2007 9:05:21 PM
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:24:57 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=
> <Trueno@AE86.gts>
>  wrote
> on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:23:31 GMT
> <T83Ah.2937$8b1.198@trndny03>:
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:11:49 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>
>>>   You will be crushed like bugs soon enough.
>>
>>
>> Huh? "Crushed like bugs"?
> 
> Is anyone else reminded here of a certain The Kids In The Hall skit?
> 
> (The general idea is that the camera shoots through a hand making
> pinching motions while a distant target, properly aligned (that might be
> a bit tricky) appears to be "squished" but only because all three line
> up.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Tyzik
> 
> illustrates this effect; apparently this is the name of the character,
> portrayed by Mark McKinney.
> 
> We now return you to your regular VistaTrollBashing(tm).)
> 
> -- 
> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net
> Windows.  Because it's not a question of if.
> It's a question of when.
>

Sorry...not familiar.

BTW, check my sig...I fixed it...


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Trueno (110)
2/13/2007 9:11:00 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:57:46 -0500, VistaEra wrote:

> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
>> Tell me where to get feisty, I'll install it and tell you how to do it.
> 
>  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/
> 
> Don't bother.  The LinTard Linux OS is to bug ridden to do anything with.
> 
> 
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote
>> Feisty is a prototype, much the same Vista RC1 was. So, for all the people
>> who told me my troubles with RC1 weren't realized in the Final Version, I
>> say the same to you.
> 
>   Every version of Linux is a prototype. And not a single version works.
> 
>   All A pile of stinking crap, all million versions.

Ok...now look at the sig...that's better...


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Trueno (110)
2/13/2007 9:12:36 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, =?iso-2022-kr?q?=1B=24=29CHachiroku_=0E+O+A+m+/=0F?=
<Trueno@ae86.GTS>
 wrote
on Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:11:00 GMT
<EPpAh.3287$5M1.722@trndny01>:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:24:57 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=
>> <Trueno@AE86.gts>
>>  wrote
>> on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:23:31 GMT
>> <T83Ah.2937$8b1.198@trndny03>:
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:11:49 -0500, VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>
>>>>   You will be crushed like bugs soon enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> Huh? "Crushed like bugs"?
>> 
>> Is anyone else reminded here of a certain The Kids In The Hall skit?
>> 
>> (The general idea is that the camera shoots through a hand making
>> pinching motions while a distant target, properly aligned (that might be
>> a bit tricky) appears to be "squished" but only because all three line
>> up.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Tyzik
>> 
>> illustrates this effect; apparently this is the name of the character,
>> portrayed by Mark McKinney.
>> 
>> We now return you to your regular VistaTrollBashing(tm).)
>> 
>> -- 
>> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net
>> Windows.  Because it's not a question of if.
>> It's a question of when.
>>
>
> Sorry...not familiar.
>
> BTW, check my sig...I fixed it...
>
>

Looks good to me.  SLRN tends to filter out signatures
on reply so you won't see it here, and *my* sig gets
mangled by Teranew's service so that they can put their
own .sig below.  Not a lot I can do about it.  :-)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/13/2007 9:36:44 PM
Damian <nospam@rabid-dog.net> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<45d1f02b$0$97233$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:

>���hw��f wrote:
>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>> of<45cf44ac$0$16297$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>
>>> ���hw��f wrote:
>>>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>>>> of<45ce0916$0$16333$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>>>>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave
>>>>>>>> the LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should
>>>>>>> take a photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about
>>>>> them...
>>>>>
>>>> You need new shtick if you're gonna claim you're "leaving" us :)
>>>>
>>>> Is the shit fetish an untreated obsession?
>>>
>>> Additional proof is not needed; you've already proved the axiom.
>>>
>>> Here, this may help you:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-
>> 8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enUS206US206&q=how+to+read+headers
>>>
>>>
>> Hiding behind a free NNTP server now?
>>
>> Its the scat lames that are the dead giveaway, dimmy.
>
>Dustbin got it wrong. You're quite a lot dumber than he thinks if you
>believe he's your soul-mate "VistaJustWorks"
>

Seems like Vista dosent work:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=29

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/14/2007 2:44:22 PM
���hw��f wrote:
> Damian <nospam@rabid-dog.net> pinched out a steaming pile
> of<45d1f02b$0$97233$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:
>
>> ���hw��f wrote:
>>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>>> of<45cf44ac$0$16297$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>
>>>> ���hw��f wrote:
>>>>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>>>>> of<45ce0916$0$16333$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>>>>>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>>>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and leave
>>>>>>>>> the LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should
>>>>>>>> take a photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about
>>>>>> them...
>>>>>>
>>>>> You need new shtick if you're gonna claim you're "leaving" us :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the shit fetish an untreated obsession?
>>>>
>>>> Additional proof is not needed; you've already proved the axiom.
>>>>
>>>> Here, this may help you:
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-
>>> 8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enUS206US206&q=how+to+read+headers
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hiding behind a free NNTP server now?
>>>
>>> Its the scat lames that are the dead giveaway, dimmy.
>>
>> Dustbin got it wrong. You're quite a lot dumber than he thinks if you
>> believe he's your soul-mate "VistaJustWorks"
>>
>
> Seems like Vista dosent work:
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=29

Yes, I already knew that. I made no claim that it did... Are _YOU_ just 
finding out?


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nospam6157 (176)
2/14/2007 2:57:54 PM
Damian <nospam@rabid-dog.net> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<45d32371$0$97229$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:

>���hw��f wrote:
>> Damian <nospam@rabid-dog.net> pinched out a steaming pile
>> of<45d1f02b$0$97233$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:
>>
>>> ���hw��f wrote:
>>>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>>>> of<45cf44ac$0$16297$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> ���hw��f wrote:
>>>>>> Dustbin <Bughumper@gemail.come> pinched out a steaming pile
>>>>>> of<45ce0916$0$16333$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maverick <Sun@mustang.org> did eloquently scribble:
>>>>>>>>> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Maverick" <Sun@mustang.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You should get a refund on  your PC.
>>>>>>>>>>> And then never use one again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Naw... Like everyone else, I'll just go to Vista, and 
leave
>>>>>>>>>> the LinTurds crawling around in their own useless excrement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You must love the appearance of the BSOD screen.  You should
>>>>>>>>> take a photo of it and hang it in  your living room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No need, he'll be seeing it more than enough anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are they typical on linux? Only the linturds seem to know about
>>>>>>> them...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need new shtick if you're gonna claim you're "leaving" us :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the shit fetish an untreated obsession?
>>>>>
>>>>> Additional proof is not needed; you've already proved the axiom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here, this may help you:
>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-
>>>> 8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_enUS206US206&q=how+to+read+headers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hiding behind a free NNTP server now?
>>>>
>>>> Its the scat lames that are the dead giveaway, dimmy.
>>>
>>> Dustbin got it wrong. You're quite a lot dumber than he thinks if 
you
>>> believe he's your soul-mate "VistaJustWorks"
>>>
>>
>> Seems like Vista dosent work:
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=29
>
>Yes, I already knew that.

Tell me more about your psychic abilities...

>I made no claim that it did... Are _YOU_ just 
>finding out?
>
I didnt have such great expectations for a M$ product...


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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/15/2007 3:13:00 PM
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:13:00 +0000, §ñühw€£f wrote:

>>Yes, I already knew that.
> 
> Tell me more about your psychic abilities...
> 
>>I made no claim that it did... Are _YOU_ just 
>>finding out?
>>
> I didnt have such great expectations for a M$ product...

The last product I got 'excited' about was Win '95. A real breakthrough
for the WinTel machines. It's been all downhill since then. There isn't
really an OS I think is worth a damn, Linux, XP and Win2K included,
although Win2K is probably the best of the bunch. It just works...
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Trueno (110)
2/15/2007 4:18:14 PM
In article <aJ%Ah.5105$5M1.3171@trndny01>,
Hachiroku  +O+A+m+/   <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:

>The last product I got 'excited' about was Win '95. A real breakthrough
>for the WinTel machines. It's been all downhill since then. There isn't
>really an OS I think is worth a damn, Linux, XP and Win2K included,
>although Win2K is probably the best of the bunch. It just works...

Curious point of view. W95 was a graphical shell over a very primitive
DOS OS. While the user interface was arguably more advanced than DOS, it
was way behind the user interface of MacOS at the time. But in all ways
this was a very primitive OS underneath - filesystem support, interrupt
services, security model... You have some bizarre criteria.


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pack9 (88)
2/16/2007 4:53:30 AM
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:53:30 -0600, Daniel Packman wrote:

> In article <aJ%Ah.5105$5M1.3171@trndny01>, Hachiroku  +O+A+m+/  
> <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
> 
>>The last product I got 'excited' about was Win '95. A real breakthrough
>>for the WinTel machines. It's been all downhill since then. There isn't
>>really an OS I think is worth a damn, Linux, XP and Win2K included,
>>although Win2K is probably the best of the bunch. It just works...
> 
> Curious point of view. W95 was a graphical shell over a very primitive DOS
> OS. While the user interface was arguably more advanced than DOS, it was
> way behind the user interface of MacOS at the time. But in all ways this
> was a very primitive OS underneath - filesystem support, interrupt
> services, security model... You have some bizarre criteria.


it was certainly more advanced and configurable than what it replaced!
Yes, I know it was over DOS '7', but it was an advance for Windows boxes.
And it WORKED, which was the best thing.

I got on the tail end of the "Chicago" beta, installed it and said,
Bleh... for basically the same reasons you just mentioned. removed it 2
days later, and 2 days after that realized how much I missed the interface
and File Manager.

When the actual release hit the streets, File Manager was 1/4 of what it
was in the Beta...a big disappointment. So I moved to NT.

And yes, MAC OS has always been years ahead of Windows, but I didn't like
it because I COULDN'T get below the OS and 'tinker'. One of the main
reasons I like Linux so much! After all, X merely rides above a bunch of
commands, which actually is a GOOD thing when it pukes. 

OK, how about this: I only had a MAC for a very short time when I was Tech
Support for GE. How does OS X operate? It leans heavily on Unix/BSD...

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Trueno (110)
2/16/2007 6:22:32 AM
[snips]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:07:00 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

> Windows can *never* be infected by an incoming virus if
> one uses a frontend firewall

He says, blissfully ignorant of viruses bundled into downloaded apps and
games, and even burnt right into commercially-created software install
CDs.  Not to mention document files and the like brought in from any
number of sources.

Funny thing, a firewall won't do a fucking thing for a fucking one of
those.  I have trouble believing someone actually thinks a firewall is
even remotely useful in an AV capacity.  It's not.  It is useful in
preventing remote attacks, period.  That those attacks, if successful,
may in fact be used to install a virus does not make a firewall an AV
tool; it makes it an anti-remote-attack tool.

> DSL or cable providers, presumably.  Worms can be dealt with using
> additional software and/or changing from OE to something like Bat or
> Communicator.

This assumes the software works.  One client had 13 - count 'em, 13 -
separate viruses on her machine, despite having a current and regularly
updated version of Norton's AV.  Norton's couldn't even *find* about 8 of
them; the rest it found, but claimed they were unremovable.

AVG, by contrast, found and removed the lot... but that doesn't mean there
weren't actually 14 or 15 on the machine, the last couple of which were
simply unknown to the AV apps.

> This is really a non-issue. 

You're right; the whole AV thing *is* a non-issue:  Windows *cannot* be
protected, period, by any means whatsoever short of complete and total
isolation, and any attempt to do so is at most wishful thinking.  That's a
cold, hard fact.  If one manages to not get a virus, one is in the
position of simply being lucky... or unlucky, the latter being when he
gets one he simply doesn't know about.  There is, in Windows, *no*
reliable defense, period, because the OS itself is designed, almost as if
intentionally, to make infection maximally likely and maximally difficult
to prevent.
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kbjarnason1 (1541)
2/16/2007 7:39:55 AM
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@ncoldns.com> did eloquently scribble:
> [snips]

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:07:00 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>> Windows can *never* be infected by an incoming virus if
>> one uses a frontend firewall

> He says, blissfully ignorant of viruses bundled into downloaded apps and
> games, and even burnt right into commercially-created software install
> CDs.  Not to mention document files and the like brought in from any
> number of sources.

> Funny thing, a firewall won't do a fucking thing for a fucking one of
> those.  I have trouble believing someone actually thinks a firewall is
> even remotely useful in an AV capacity.  It's not.  

Indeed, what a silly thing to say.
A spam blocker's better at protecting against viruses than a firewall.
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spike1 (8171)
2/16/2007 8:34:11 AM
In article <I4cBh.5796$8b1.5015@trndny03>,
Hachiroku  $B%O%A%m%/ (B  <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
......
>And yes, MAC OS has always been years ahead of Windows, but I didn't like
>it because I COULDN'T get below the OS and 'tinker'. One of the main
>reasons I like Linux so much! After all, X merely rides above a bunch of
>commands, which actually is a GOOD thing when it pukes. 

You could always tinker with MacOS and you still can.

>OK, how about this: I only had a MAC for a very short time when I was Tech
>Support for GE. How does OS X operate? It leans heavily on Unix/BSD...

(Don't use MAC for Macintosh... capitalized it means something else)

You can read up on OSX in many places. It has a mach microkernel with
FreeBSD services.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/



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