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Uniface goes Vista

Uniface goes Vista

Announced this week, Uniface 9.1, the latest version of the well-established
application building tool, also offers upgraded features for developing web
applications.


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"VistaKing" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:NLAvh.302$Om.219@read2.cgocable.net...
> Uniface goes Vista
>
> Announced this week, Uniface 9.1, the latest version of the 
> well-established
> application building tool, also offers upgraded features for developing 
> web
> applications.

That's cool. Do you want to list key features?

>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
1/30/2007 6:17:46 AM
VistaKing wrote:

> Uniface goes Vista
> 
> Announced this week, Uniface 9.1, the latest version of the
> well-established application building tool, also offers upgraded features
> for developing web applications.

Uni what?

Oh, brother!
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jabailo (8241)
1/30/2007 6:53:56 AM
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:53:56 -0800, John A. Bailo wrote:
> Uni what?

Nice little toy (with some delusions of greater status) for building GUI
frontends for databases. Well, at least 7 was, don't know about 9.

Rob

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robvr (38)
1/30/2007 9:38:33 AM
John A. Bailo wrote:

> VistaKing wrote:
> 
>> Uniface goes Vista
>> 
>> Announced this week, Uniface 9.1, the latest version of the
>> well-established application building tool, also offers upgraded features
>> for developing web applications.
> 
> Uni what?
> 
> Oh, brother!

I'm on unidata and I'd never heard of uniface until now. It seems that 'Well
Established' isn't necessarily the same as 'Well known'. But then it
doesn't look like there is a unix version of it.

I wonder if IBM know about the use of a name plucked from their family,
        unidata
        uniquery
        unibasic
        universe

I should think that SystemBuilder or ReportWriter might well have captured
the name Uniview had it been available.


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spam226 (1980)
1/30/2007 1:27:28 PM
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> U

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1/30/2007 8:45:00 PM
Linux - The never ready OS.

Every once and a while I get the urge to check out the Linux Operating
system. I've never been fully happy with Microsoft Windows and never happy
with Microsoft as a company, and I am eager to switch to an OS which
provides good or better performance and utility than experienced with
Microsoft windows.

Linux gets the most hype and while MacOS and Solaris are also potential
candidates, they always lose out because 1. MacOS comes from a flake company
who don't really produce computers, they produce Ipods, and Solaris has even
a smaller user base than Linux and only runs on a very limited number of
motherboards.  So, I almost always end up auditing Linux.

I first saw Linux back in the 486 era when it was barely a year old.  It was
running on a 486 and was pleased to see how fast it managed to list it's
directories compared to the speed of DOS on my 386.  However it was clear
even at that time, that Linux would never be a challenge to Microsoft DOS.
This was obvious because Linux was developing into nothing more than a Unix
clone, and Unix had been completely rejected in favour of Microsoft DOS by
the desktop computing community.

Typing a few commands into the Linux console, and watching the shell spit
out cryptic and incomprehensible error messages made me laugh out loud I
remember, I then turned off the machine and walk away in complete and utter
disgust at the lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.  Yes they really
had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that couldn't even
compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

A few years later, I abandoned the DOS command line, in favour of the vastly
superior Windows 95 GUI - having successfully ignored all earlier versions
of Microsoft Windows, as the earliest Windows offerings were also completely
unusable and unstable.

I gave Linux another shot at impressing me again that year, and once again I
was presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic
retards...

When X-windows for Linux arrived, I gave the OS another shot.  X11 had the
potential of competing with Microsoft windows in terms of ease of use - if
implemented correctly.  I noted however, that after booting the X11 server
from the command line, that what was presented was a graphical desktop from
which multiple command line shells would be presented in a nice overlapping
manner.  It was a hollow desktop with no icon to file mapping, no desktop
management, no device control, no computer management functions - other than
those that were managed via command line and with each of those shells I was
presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  But now the output was directed toward
overlapping text windows.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

It wasn't all command line though, there were a host of screen savers for
the OS, and I decided to check out it's graphic potential by running through
those.  20% of them either failed to run, or crashed, with several taking
out the entire OS.

I laughed and turned the machine off.  Retards I said to myself... Pathetic
retards...

It's now about 5 years later and I've just given Linux yet another attempt
to impress me, and impress upon me why I should keep it on my computer.
I've given it a good shot, not simply seconds or minutes, or even an hour
like the last time, but a full month or so of effort - when I have had the
time and patients.

The results are in.  Linux - while considerably improved over it's crash
prone past, is still a very, very long way from usability, and offers
essentially <zero> challenge to Microosft Windows.

The Linux Desktop is now much more than a simple means of managing multiple
text based terminal windows.  Kudo's to the various desktop developers of
KDE and Gnome.

In many respects the desktop I have become familiar with (KDE) is as good as
the desktop supplied with W95.  But in many ways it's also inferior, and
suffers from a variety of problems - consistancy being one, completeness
being another.

Linux however, is still a command line driven environment.  Try as they
might the various providers of Linux, with all thier incompatible tinkering,
have yet to provide a version of the OS, where you can avoid decending to
the same incredably hostile and brain dead command line environment whose
stench permiates ever previous version of Unix/Linux.

What the Linux community has done is try and hide the pathetic command line
from view.  But they just can't seem to manage to get it right.  They can't
make it go away completely.  For example, click on the start menu and what
happens?  Why a hidden commmand line is processed and a graphical
application invoked.  But that application is probably just a graphical
front end which itself creates and passes along a command line to the actual
program that is to be run. Many of the smaller Linux programs are written
like this, although there are some full fledged applcations that are fully
integrated.

But ok, I said to myself, dealing with Unix command line filth has been
minimized, so maybe I can live with that.  Maybe I can adjust to an
environment where graphical shells are slapped on top of command line
interfaces, and where a command appropriately labeled find in the shell, is
ultimately mapped onto some command called PinkiBoingo in some randomly
assigned executable directory.  But then again, maybe not.

I started auditing Linux on a brand new Duel Core Athelon machine running an
Nvidia chipset, and I was keen to see how an aledgedly efficient OS would
fly on multiple cores.  Alas, I never managed to find out, because in the
half dozen x86 versions of Linux I installed on that machine, none managed
to function well enough to serve as a testable platform.  In fact most
wouldn't install at all.   Some couldn't find the network card, which made
installing other applications impossible.  Some didnt' recognize the Nvidia
Video chipset, and while one version actually defaulted to VESA video it
failed to provide a mouse pointer making pointing to anything on the screen
somewhat difficult.

Eventually in the case of the lost mouse pointer, I found out that I could
edit a random text file with some random title, and alter a randomly named
switch so that a software cursor would be used instead of the hardware
cursor that wasn't working, but after that networking problems became
clearer, and eventually after installing an MP3 codec, the OS just had a
kernel panic and that Linux install was dead, quickly replaced with a
version of Windows 2000 which installed flawlessly, runs flawlessly and
supports the duel core Athelon quite nicely.

I religated Linux to my older machine at this point and installed a version
of RedHat Linux first.  At this point I was looking to create a stable Linux
environment that could be used for casual computing with some development
tools so I could audit the OS more thoughly.

No Joy with Redhat.  Working environment was too poor.
No Joy with Ubuntu.  The inability to log on as Admin displeased me greatly.
No Joy with Susie.   It just pissed me off due to lack of any codec support
like all the others.
Then there was Freespire.

I much prefer Freespire's philosophy of providing the user with some
multimedia capability out of the box, even though the codecs and
applications may be propriatory.  And Freespire installed with Windows
networking compatability turned on and capable of immediately connecting to
a windows network.   Joy....

Joy yes, but joy only for so long.

Freespire is by far the best version of Linux I have yet to audit (What do
you do with Linux? You install it.) Networking works, XMMS is easy enough to
install, and if you don't there is always real player.  It plays many video
file formats without any hastles, and the user interface of version 1.0 is
actually quite good.  VLC is generally available but isn't as good as the
Windows version.

"Maybe", I found myself thinking as I toured the OS surface, it's time to
emmigrate from the often quirky and always inefficient state of Microsoft to
the shiny new land of Linux and what appeared to be it's newly reformed
Linspire ideology.

Well, it's not quite so easy as that.

The first thing I noticed, is that my networking card - which is a 10/100
card is only operating at 10 Mbps.  Ok Ill reconfigure that.  I saw a device
manager in here somewhere, lets get going.

Several hours later I conclude that there is no real device manager, even in
Freespire.  In the other versions of the Linux OS, a device manager is
supplied...   Well the program calls itself a device manager, but in
actuality there is no ability to manage any devices from these utilities.
Oh, they may list device properties, but they provide no management
functions.  Brilliant!

Need to change a buffer location or size, force an interrupt, turn on DMA?
Device manager tells you where they are, what their size is, but provides no
ability to change any parameter.  Absolutely brilliant.

Need to manually set the speed of your Network Card?  Device manager might
tell you it's current operating speed, but provides no means of actually
altering the speed.

Linspire differs primarily in the honesty with which it announces it's
device reporting utility.  It doesn't use the word "manager" in the title
since the program - like all the other Linux device utilities, provide no
management functions at all.

Ok. So I tell myself, I'll live with a slower than necessary Network card
for the moment.  It's not a big deal, lets play some MP3's and relax.  Hmmm,
the audio level appears to be very low, lets adjust it up.  No Joy.  It's
only when I reach the upper two "notches" of the volume control does the
volume of the output sound noticabely increase.  Also, when the volume is
finally changed, the sound levels are now dramatically disproportionate
between the left and right channel,   Hmmmm.  There is a problem with the
sound mixer.

Ok so I grab another sound mixer from the net, and off I go.  Same problem.
So I grab another... Same problem.  And another.  Same problem...

Obvously there is some underlying problem with the sound driver, and not the
mxier control applets themselves.

So I play around with the various mixer controls, playing with the say -
microphone control and having the left side of the master volume control cut
in and out, and finally come across a series of settings which is
acceptable.

Ok I think to myself, this is a little bit of a pain, but I can live with
it.  Who knows, someone might fix it, and once I get some development tools
installed, I might fix it myself.  Time to move on.

Soon after I notice that while trying to compose some text via a supplied
text editor that I can not insert text.  The insert button on my keyboard
has been brilliantly removed in place of an expanded delete key.  To insert
I now must use the insert key on the numeic keyboard - prssing Shift-0
(insert).

Doesn't work. Pressing Shift Insert doesn't work.  Hmm, no insert?  I seem
to remember it working yesterday when I tried it.  Shift-0 again.  "0"
appears under my cursor.

Hmmmmm.  This worked yesterday - why not today?  Must be something set
differently.  So I try toggling the numlock state.  Sure enough insert
works.  But it only works when the numlock state is active. In other words
when the insert key is <not> supposed to be mapped to the number 0.  So the
key state is inverted to that used by windows.  Another Linux bug.

Brilliant I tells ya.. brilliant.

I can put up with this variance as well. Ok.  I'm beginning to feel a bit
soiled by the OS now, but maybe there must are better things to come I tell
myself.

Ok on to installing a development environment.

After a little bit of research it appears that there are only two viable
integrated development environments for Linux. Well only 1 really.  That
environment is RealBasic.

Faster than I can type Shazam I'm at the RealBasic website downloading the
latest PD version of their programming environment.  It looks quit promising
with it's visual studio style and gizmo's and such.  Visual Studio for
Windows is a truly excellent development environment for Microsoft Windows,
and I would truly be impressed if it were duplicated in the Linux community.

Once the program has been received and installed, I start it and am indeed
immediately greated with a GUI interface. Most excellent.  Within a few
seconds I have a new form in the main window and from the tool bar I select
a button to add to the form.  Most excellent I think to myself, pondering
how well the language will optimize.  Clicking on the form and dragging a
outlign box for the button to be enclosed in however immediately shows a
very, very major problem.  It takes almost a full second between releasing
the mouse button to when the button actually appears on the form.  Resizing
is equally sluggins, taking between .5 seconds and 1 full second...  This is
on a 1.1 Ghz machine operating at just slightly more than 1 operation per
second.

How can you possibly burn over a billion cycles of CPU time just to draw a
button in a window?  Holy smoke.  What's wrong with that picture?

At first I thought it was some sort of post installation inefficiency
madness, turding the application. So I shut down and restarted with exactly
the same results.

The delays are such that it is very difficult to actually resize any of the
tools  Clicks don't get processed and are difficult to release before they
are considered a click and hold operations.

Not good.  Do I start to drag immediately, and drag the cursor out of the
item selected before it's selected (sometimes) or do I wait?  Horrible.

After a little research I find that RealBasic is actually written in
RealBasic.  Which is cool enough, but exactly pinpoints the reason the UI is
so sluggish.  The RealBasic compiler isn't up to snuff - and probably
neither is the language.

The minimum recommended requirement for the langauge is a 1.5 Ghz pentium. I
had an order of magnitude better performance running Microsoft Developer
studio on a half gigabyte PC.  How can anything like this be written so
inefficiently?  The mind boggles.

With that realization RealBasic was quickly erased from existance.

The next morning when I awoke I found that even though I had shut the Linux
box off, the mouse attached to the machine continued to power it's laser LED
at full brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under Linux
isn't working properly either.

Moving on I note that there is a version of KDevelop that has already been
installed with the OS.  It's not an integrated environment, but it does have
a GUI editor, so I can potentially use that.

Now either the install of KDevelop was broken or something in the RealBasic
installation must have boinked KDevelop because while the environment runs
and provides a text based interface, it can't compile anything.  Some error
messages regarding missing files are printed.

Ok I think to myself "The rate at which Linux is shitting on itself is
increasing."  Might as well try a borland package to see how it works.
Borland has an integrated development environment called Kylix that is
downloadable and looks promising.

Shazam It's downloaded and installed.  But during the install it asks me for
the paths to two file sets that haven't been installed.  qt something or
other and some file set called <meaninglessname>.

Ok, I'll install the <meaninglessname> files via apt-get and then try to run
again.  No Go, <meaninglessname> doesn't appear in a web search and it's not
in the Debian repository.  But <meaninglessname>3 is.  So, I download that.

Reinstalling I am again told that <meaninglessname> doesn't exist and I am
requested to provide a path to it.

But where did the apt-get put the file?  Grep, grep gRep, nothing found.
Now isn't that interesting.  Can't find the file set because they don't have
the same name as the set name, and I haven't been told where they are.

Ok, Maybe I should just go the the Debian repository and install from there.
No go, the file doesn't exist there.  Ok, well maybe I'll uninstall it and
try again.

Nope, the uninstall script doesn't work, and in fact hardly appears to be a
valid script.  Looks like random hash.

When I invoke the uninstall script, It terminates without performing any
operation and without an error or status report.  It ends abruptly as if it
were never executed as far as I can tell.  The application is still
installed.

The Linux ShitPile is growing quite high at this point.

A little research leads me to the Borland site where I am instructed to use
the GNU C compiler to compile the documentation for the application.  Why in
the world would anyone need a C compiler to compile their documentation..
Documentation isn't an executable.

Click - Linux is shut down for the rest of the evening.  My head shaking in
disgust.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

And on and on it goes.  This Linux application doesn't work, that
application won't load, the other one just has no desktop shortcut
installed, yet another executes apparently but doesn't provde even open a
window.  But it still remains running and soaking up system resources.
Files missing in this install, that install took down the entire OS, This
install requires to be installed as root, but the installer doesn't support
that feature.  Etc.. Etc... Etc... My head shaking in disgust.  Retards I
said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

So after a dozen or so OS installs and with each version failing critically
at some point, or failing to provide a usable environment, I decided to
celebrated my Linix experiment by straping a couple of M90's to my pile of
Linux install disks and blow them all up.

A few strays were nuked in my microwave, and they made a very pretty
sparklie effect as they died.
For good measure I melted a couple with a propane torch and kept a couple as
tea cup coasters.

So long to Linux, the Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
15 years in development and as much a piece of shit as ever.











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2/6/2007 6:18:07 AM
VistaEra wrote:
> 
> The results are in.  Linux - while considerably improved over it's crash
> prone past, is still a very, very long way from usability, and offers
> essentially <zero> challenge to Microosft Windows.
> 

He he, nice, I 'm sure your boss will appreciate your efforts. But Open 
Source it can't be stopped any longer. It's already surpassed the 
outdated Microsoft development model.

[quote]
"During the time Vista has been delayed the Open Source community, who 
constantly betters their products by openly sharing their code, has 
gained momentum and is blowing past the Microsoft Bohemith. If Vista had 
been released on time there would be little reason, other than security 
and stability, to use anything else. However it was delayed time and 
again until the rest of the development world is slightly ahead 
technologically.

At Sweet! Computing we have used Microsoft Vista and it's a fairly 
decent operating system in it's own right (security issues aside). 
However, with it's late release Vista is not nearly as spectacular on 
the desktop any longer as there are more spectacular desktops already 
available, and for far less than the hefty price Microsoft asks for 
Windows Vista.

It appears the more streamlined approach of sharing code openly, where 
you don't have to reinvent the wheel over and over, is really paying off 
and has become the new, and future mainstream model for software 
development. After all, the code base for newer systems is huge. If you 
can re-use code that already has the bugs worked out you have a huge 
time saving advantage and greater stability. We're not sure how 
Microsoft is going to pull it off, but they are almost certainly going 
to need to adjust themselves to this approach if they even hope to 
remain competitive in the future.

There is no doubt that through the magic of the advertising dollar 
Microsoft will do well with it's new release, and we wish them well. But 
now that the Open Source world is beginning to dictate the pace it will 
be interesting to see what directions are taken in both arenas.
[/quote]"

Full article at http://sweetcomputing.com/index.php?wiki=Linux2007




-- 

Thank you,
tomiro

Spread the word. Speed up full Linux support everywhere. Ask for Linux - 
http://sweetcomputing.com/index.php?wiki=AskForLinux
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2/6/2007 10:45:52 AM
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:45:52 -0500, tomiro <forums@webpath.net> wrote:

>VistaEra wrote:
>> 
>> The results are in.  Linux - while considerably improved over it's crash
>> prone past, is still a very, very long way from usability, and offers
>> essentially <zero> challenge to Microosft Windows.
>> 
>
>He he, nice, I 'm sure your boss will appreciate your efforts. But Open 
>Source it can't be stopped any longer. It's already surpassed the 
>outdated Microsoft development model.
>
>[quote]
>"During the time Vista has been delayed the Open Source community, who 
>constantly betters their products by openly sharing their code, has 
>gained momentum and is blowing past the Microsoft Bohemith. If Vista had 
>been released on time there would be little reason, other than security 
>and stability, to use anything else. However it was delayed time and 
>again until the rest of the development world is slightly ahead 
>technologically.
....

Does that mean that none of the OP's points were valid? Aren't all of
those apps, as well as the OS, open source?

Vista, on a machine capable of running Aero, really does look great.
Does that impact productivity? No, not really. But it does look great
which is always nice. Might as well have that super video card do some
work when not playing games.

I'm a software developer using DotNet but I'm always an underdog
rooter, AMD over Intel, etc. Naturally, like the OP, I've tried Linux.
And, like the OP, put it away. Several times. For all that Windows
drives me nuts sometimes, Linux does the same. And the OP description
of a development environment on Linux had me actually laughing.

Like most folks reading these newsgroups, I'm the first person that
people in my extended family call for computer assistance. The thought
of trying to talk them through fixing a Linux problem is a scary one.
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dgk (31)
2/6/2007 1:25:31 PM
VistaEra wrote:

>Every once and a while I get

*plonk*

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chrisv (22840)
2/6/2007 2:58:18 PM
Linux - The never ready OS.

Every once and a while I get the urge to check out the Linux Operating
system. I've never been fully happy with Microsoft Windows and never happy
with Microsoft as a company, and I am eager to switch to an OS which
provides good or better performance and utility than experienced with
Microsoft windows.

Linux gets the most hype and while MacOS and Solaris are also potential
candidates, they always lose out because 1. MacOS comes from a flake company
who don't really produce computers, they produce Ipods, and Solaris has even
a smaller user base than Linux and only runs on a very limited number of
motherboards.  So, I almost always end up auditing Linux.

I first saw Linux back in the 486 era when it was barely a year old.  It was
running on a 486 and was pleased to see how fast it managed to list it's
directories compared to the speed of DOS on my 386.  However it was clear
even at that time, that Linux would never be a challenge to Microsoft DOS.
This was obvious because Linux was developing into nothing more than a Unix
clone, and Unix had been completely rejected in favour of Microsoft DOS by
the desktop computing community.

Typing a few commands into the Linux console, and watching the shell spit
out cryptic and incomprehensible error messages made me laugh out loud I
remember, I then turned off the machine and walk away in complete and utter
disgust at the lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.  Yes they really
had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that couldn't even
compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

A few years later, I abandoned the DOS command line, in favour of the vastly
superior Windows 95 GUI - having successfully ignored all earlier versions
of Microsoft Windows, as the earliest Windows offerings were also completely
unusable and unstable.

I gave Linux another shot at impressing me again that year, and once again I
was presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic
retards...

When X-windows for Linux arrived, I gave the OS another shot.  X11 had the
potential of competing with Microsoft windows in terms of ease of use - if
implemented correctly.  I noted however, that after booting the X11 server
from the command line, that what was presented was a graphical desktop from
which multiple command line shells would be presented in a nice overlapping
manner.  It was a hollow desktop with no icon to file mapping, no desktop
management, no device control, no computer management functions - other than
those that were managed via command line and with each of those shells I was
presented with the same text command line that I had seen years earlier.
The same cryptic commands, the same useless error messages, the same user
hostility and the same absolute lack of vision in the Unix/Linux community.
Yes they really had decided to produce yet another clone of the very OS that
couldn't even compete against DOS.  But now the output was directed toward
overlapping text windows.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

It wasn't all command line though, there were a host of screen savers for
the OS, and I decided to check out it's graphic potential by running through
those.  20% of them either failed to run, or crashed, with several taking
out the entire OS.

I laughed and turned the machine off.  Retards I said to myself... Pathetic
retards...

It's now about 5 years later and I've just given Linux yet another attempt
to impress me, and impress upon me why I should keep it on my computer.
I've given it a good shot, not simply seconds or minutes, or even an hour
like the last time, but a full month or so of effort - when I have had the
time and patients.

The results are in.  Linux - while considerably improved over it's crash
prone past, is still a very, very long way from usability, and offers
essentially <zero> challenge to Microosft Windows.

The Linux Desktop is now much more than a simple means of managing multiple
text based terminal windows.  Kudo's to the various desktop developers of
KDE and Gnome.

In many respects the desktop I have become familiar with (KDE) is as good as
the desktop supplied with W95.  But in many ways it's also inferior, and
suffers from a variety of problems - consistancy being one, completeness
being another.

Linux however, is still a command line driven environment.  Try as they
might the various providers of Linux, with all thier incompatible tinkering,
have yet to provide a version of the OS, where you can avoid decending to
the same incredably hostile and brain dead command line environment whose
stench permiates ever previous version of Unix/Linux.

What the Linux community has done is try and hide the pathetic command line
from view.  But they just can't seem to manage to get it right.  They can't
make it go away completely.  For example, click on the start menu and what
happens?  Why a hidden commmand line is processed and a graphical
application invoked.  But that application is probably just a graphical
front end which itself creates and passes along a command line to the actual
program that is to be run. Many of the smaller Linux programs are written
like this, although there are some full fledged applcations that are fully
integrated.

But ok, I said to myself, dealing with Unix command line filth has been
minimized, so maybe I can live with that.  Maybe I can adjust to an
environment where graphical shells are slapped on top of command line
interfaces, and where a command appropriately labeled find in the shell, is
ultimately mapped onto some command called PinkiBoingo in some randomly
assigned executable directory.  But then again, maybe not.

I started auditing Linux on a brand new Duel Core Athelon machine running an
Nvidia chipset, and I was keen to see how an aledgedly efficient OS would
fly on multiple cores.  Alas, I never managed to find out, because in the
half dozen x86 versions of Linux I installed on that machine, none managed
to function well enough to serve as a testable platform.  In fact most
wouldn't install at all.   Some couldn't find the network card, which made
installing other applications impossible.  Some didnt' recognize the Nvidia
Video chipset, and while one version actually defaulted to VESA video it
failed to provide a mouse pointer making pointing to anything on the screen
somewhat difficult.

Eventually in the case of the lost mouse pointer, I found out that I could
edit a random text file with some random title, and alter a randomly named
switch so that a software cursor would be used instead of the hardware
cursor that wasn't working, but after that networking problems became
clearer, and eventually after installing an MP3 codec, the OS just had a
kernel panic and that Linux install was dead, quickly replaced with a
version of Windows 2000 which installed flawlessly, runs flawlessly and
supports the duel core Athelon quite nicely.

I religated Linux to my older machine at this point and installed a version
of RedHat Linux first.  At this point I was looking to create a stable Linux
environment that could be used for casual computing with some development
tools so I could audit the OS more thoughly.

No Joy with Redhat.  Working environment was too poor.
No Joy with Ubuntu.  The inability to log on as Admin displeased me greatly.
No Joy with Susie.   It just pissed me off due to lack of any codec support
like all the others.
Then there was Freespire.

I much prefer Freespire's philosophy of providing the user with some
multimedia capability out of the box, even though the codecs and
applications may be propriatory.  And Freespire installed with Windows
networking compatability turned on and capable of immediately connecting to
a windows network.   Joy....

Joy yes, but joy only for so long.

Freespire is by far the best version of Linux I have yet to audit (What do
you do with Linux? You install it.) Networking works, XMMS is easy enough to
install, and if you don't there is always real player.  It plays many video
file formats without any hastles, and the user interface of version 1.0 is
actually quite good.  VLC is generally available but isn't as good as the
Windows version.

"Maybe", I found myself thinking as I toured the OS surface, it's time to
emmigrate from the often quirky and always inefficient state of Microsoft to
the shiny new land of Linux and what appeared to be it's newly reformed
Linspire ideology.

Well, it's not quite so easy as that.

The first thing I noticed, is that my networking card - which is a 10/100
card is only operating at 10 Mbps.  Ok Ill reconfigure that.  I saw a device
manager in here somewhere, lets get going.

Several hours later I conclude that there is no real device manager, even in
Freespire.  In the other versions of the Linux OS, a device manager is
supplied...   Well the program calls itself a device manager, but in
actuality there is no ability to manage any devices from these utilities.
Oh, they may list device properties, but they provide no management
functions.  Brilliant!

Need to change a buffer location or size, force an interrupt, turn on DMA?
Device manager tells you where they are, what their size is, but provides no
ability to change any parameter.  Absolutely brilliant.

Need to manually set the speed of your Network Card?  Device manager might
tell you it's current operating speed, but provides no means of actually
altering the speed.

Linspire differs primarily in the honesty with which it announces it's
device reporting utility.  It doesn't use the word "manager" in the title
since the program - like all the other Linux device utilities, provide no
management functions at all.

Ok. So I tell myself, I'll live with a slower than necessary Network card
for the moment.  It's not a big deal, lets play some MP3's and relax.  Hmmm,
the audio level appears to be very low, lets adjust it up.  No Joy.  It's
only when I reach the upper two "notches" of the volume control does the
volume of the output sound noticabely increase.  Also, when the volume is
finally changed, the sound levels are now dramatically disproportionate
between the left and right channel,   Hmmmm.  There is a problem with the
sound mixer.

Ok so I grab another sound mixer from the net, and off I go.  Same problem.
So I grab another... Same problem.  And another.  Same problem...

Obvously there is some underlying problem with the sound driver, and not the
mxier control applets themselves.

So I play around with the various mixer controls, playing with the say -
microphone control and having the left side of the master volume control cut
in and out, and finally come across a series of settings which is
acceptable.

Ok I think to myself, this is a little bit of a pain, but I can live with
it.  Who knows, someone might fix it, and once I get some development tools
installed, I might fix it myself.  Time to move on.

Soon after I notice that while trying to compose some text via a supplied
text editor that I can not insert text.  The insert button on my keyboard
has been brilliantly removed in place of an expanded delete key.  To insert
I now must use the insert key on the numeic keyboard - prssing Shift-0
(insert).

Doesn't work. Pressing Shift Insert doesn't work.  Hmm, no insert?  I seem
to remember it working yesterday when I tried it.  Shift-0 again.  "0"
appears under my cursor.

Hmmmmm.  This worked yesterday - why not today?  Must be something set
differently.  So I try toggling the numlock state.  Sure enough insert
works.  But it only works when the numlock state is active. In other words
when the insert key is <not> supposed to be mapped to the number 0.  So the
key state is inverted to that used by windows.  Another Linux bug.

Brilliant I tells ya.. brilliant.

I can put up with this variance as well. Ok.  I'm beginning to feel a bit
soiled by the OS now, but maybe there must are better things to come I tell
myself.

Ok on to installing a development environment.

After a little bit of research it appears that there are only two viable
integrated development environments for Linux. Well only 1 really.  That
environment is RealBasic.

Faster than I can type Shazam I'm at the RealBasic website downloading the
latest PD version of their programming environment.  It looks quit promising
with it's visual studio style and gizmo's and such.  Visual Studio for
Windows is a truly excellent development environment for Microsoft Windows,
and I would truly be impressed if it were duplicated in the Linux community.

Once the program has been received and installed, I start it and am indeed
immediately greated with a GUI interface. Most excellent.  Within a few
seconds I have a new form in the main window and from the tool bar I select
a button to add to the form.  Most excellent I think to myself, pondering
how well the language will optimize.  Clicking on the form and dragging a
outlign box for the button to be enclosed in however immediately shows a
very, very major problem.  It takes almost a full second between releasing
the mouse button to when the button actually appears on the form.  Resizing
is equally sluggins, taking between .5 seconds and 1 full second...  This is
on a 1.1 Ghz machine operating at just slightly more than 1 operation per
second.

How can you possibly burn over a billion cycles of CPU time just to draw a
button in a window?  Holy smoke.  What's wrong with that picture?

At first I thought it was some sort of post installation inefficiency
madness, turding the application. So I shut down and restarted with exactly
the same results.

The delays are such that it is very difficult to actually resize any of the
tools  Clicks don't get processed and are difficult to release before they
are considered a click and hold operations.

Not good.  Do I start to drag immediately, and drag the cursor out of the
item selected before it's selected (sometimes) or do I wait?  Horrible.

After a little research I find that RealBasic is actually written in
RealBasic.  Which is cool enough, but exactly pinpoints the reason the UI is
so sluggish.  The RealBasic compiler isn't up to snuff - and probably
neither is the language.

The minimum recommended requirement for the langauge is a 1.5 Ghz pentium. I
had an order of magnitude better performance running Microsoft Developer
studio on a half gigabyte PC.  How can anything like this be written so
inefficiently?  The mind boggles.

With that realization RealBasic was quickly erased from existance.

The next morning when I awoke I found that even though I had shut the Linux
box off, the mouse attached to the machine continued to power it's laser LED
at full brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under Linux
isn't working properly either.

Moving on I note that there is a version of KDevelop that has already been
installed with the OS.  It's not an integrated environment, but it does have
a GUI editor, so I can potentially use that.

Now either the install of KDevelop was broken or something in the RealBasic
installation must have boinked KDevelop because while the environment runs
and provides a text based interface, it can't compile anything.  Some error
messages regarding missing files are printed.

Ok I think to myself "The rate at which Linux is shitting on itself is
increasing."  Might as well try a borland package to see how it works.
Borland has an integrated development environment called Kylix that is
downloadable and looks promising.

Shazam It's downloaded and installed.  But during the install it asks me for
the paths to two file sets that haven't been installed.  qt something or
other and some file set called <meaninglessname>.

Ok, I'll install the <meaninglessname> files via apt-get and then try to run
again.  No Go, <meaninglessname> doesn't appear in a web search and it's not
in the Debian repository.  But <meaninglessname>3 is.  So, I download that.

Reinstalling I am again told that <meaninglessname> doesn't exist and I am
requested to provide a path to it.

But where did the apt-get put the file?  Grep, grep gRep, nothing found.
Now isn't that interesting.  Can't find the file set because they don't have
the same name as the set name, and I haven't been told where they are.

Ok, Maybe I should just go the the Debian repository and install from there.
No go, the file doesn't exist there.  Ok, well maybe I'll uninstall it and
try again.

Nope, the uninstall script doesn't work, and in fact hardly appears to be a
valid script.  Looks like random hash.

When I invoke the uninstall script, It terminates without performing any
operation and without an error or status report.  It ends abruptly as if it
were never executed as far as I can tell.  The application is still
installed.

The Linux ShitPile is growing quite high at this point.

A little research leads me to the Borland site where I am instructed to use
the GNU C compiler to compile the documentation for the application.  Why in
the world would anyone need a C compiler to compile their documentation..
Documentation isn't an executable.

Click - Master power switch on the PC power supply is turned off,
insufficient respect remains for me to wait for the OS to unload itself. If
I didn't have a UPS on the machine I would have just pulled the power cord
from the wall.  Linux is shut down for the rest of the evening.  My head
shaking in disgust.  Retards I said to myself...   Pathetic, pathetic
retards...

And on and on it goes.  This Linux application doesn't work, that
application won't load, the other one just has no desktop shortcut
installed, yet another executes apparently but doesn't provde even open a
window.  But it still remains running and soaking up system resources.
Files missing in this install, that install took down the entire OS, This
install requires to be installed as root, but the installer doesn't support
that feature.  Etc.. Etc... Etc... My head shaking in disgust.  Retards I
said to myself...   Pathetic retards...

So after a dozen or so OS installs and with each version failing critically
at some point, or failing to provide a usable environment, I decided to
celebrated my Linix experiment by straping a couple of M90's to my pile of
Linux install disks and blow them all up.

A few strays were nuked in my microwave, and they made a very pretty
sparklie effect as they died.
For good measure I melted a couple with a propane torch and kept a couple as
tea cup coasters.

So long to Linux, the Never Ready for Prime Time OS.
15 years in development and as much a piece of shit as ever.











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2/6/2007 5:20:35 PM
"The next morning when I awoke I found that even though I had shut the
Linux
box off, the mouse attached to the machine continued to power it's
laser LED
at full brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under
Linux
isn't working properly either."

LOL... I would ask if you were joking, but obviously you are just that
deluded.

-Eric

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ericew (186)
2/6/2007 5:27:16 PM
"The next morning when I awoke I found that even though I had shut the
Linux
box off, the mouse attached to the machine continued to power it's
laser LED
at full brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under
Linux
isn't working properly either."

LOL... I would ask if you were joking, but obviously you are just that
deluded.

-Eric

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ericew (186)
2/6/2007 5:27:51 PM
> "The next morning when I awoke I found that even though I had shut the
> Linux
> box off, the mouse attached to the machine continued to power it's
> laser LED
> at full brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under
> Linux
> isn't working properly either."


"Ericew" <ericew@gmail.com> wrote
> LOL... I would ask if you were joking, but obviously you are just that
> deluded.

  The mouse is kept powered on because the power up on mouse click feature
of the Motherboard Chipset requires the mouse to be powered for the feature
to operate.  But that feature is disabled in the BIOS  and still the LinTard
OS keeps the mouse powered up even when the machine is powered down.

  It's a power management failure in the LinTard OS.



0
2/6/2007 6:05:55 PM
On Feb 6, 1:05 pm, "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>   The mouse is kept powered on because the power up on mouse click feature
> of the Motherboard Chipset requires the mouse to be powered for the feature
> to operate.  But that feature is disabled in the BIOS  and still the LinTard
> OS keeps the mouse powered up even when the machine is powered down.
>
>   It's a power management failure in the LinTard OS.

You are obviously intelligent, but you just don't see what's right in
front of you.  This has absolutely nothing to do with Linux and
everything to do with your BIOS.  If the system is powered down it's
the BIOS responsibility to manage hardware and not Linux.

pebcak

-Eric

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ericew (186)
2/6/2007 6:09:58 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ericew
<ericew@gmail.com>
 wrote
on 6 Feb 2007 09:27:51 -0800
<1170782871.115299.202710@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
> "The next morning when I awoke I found that even though
> I had shut the Linux box off, the mouse attached to the
> machine continued to power it's laser LED at full
> brightness.  Ah, another problem.  Power management under
> Linux isn't working properly either."
>
> LOL... I would ask if you were joking, but obviously you are just that
> deluded.
>
> -Eric
>

But he's sort of right, at least in the case of my AMD
ASUS unit.  I think power shutoff worked in the 2.6.17
kernel, but it isn't working now.

I might try the 2.6.20 kernel at some point, to see if
that helps.  There's something in there that I'm missing,
obviously.

I don't know if Windows would handle this box any better,
though.  (It's never seen Windows -- except in the store;
they took it off for me.)

Not that VistaWhatever has a clue anyway, as you've noticed.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/6/2007 6:32:39 PM
"Ericew" <ericew@gmail.com> wrote
>  If the system is powered down it's
> the BIOS responsibility to manage hardware and not Linux.

  It's the responsibility of Linux to manage all of the computer's hardware.
But I do know that Linux on very many machines is still using 1990's VESA
graphcis and using the CPU to do the graphic manipulation rather than the
accelerated video on the GUI.

  Linux is such a pathetic OS.

  Linux the never ready for prime time OS.



0
2/6/2007 8:06:01 PM
Note subject change.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ericew
<ericew@gmail.com>
 wrote
on 6 Feb 2007 10:09:58 -0800
<1170785398.631778.184330@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
> On Feb 6, 1:05 pm, "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>   The mouse is kept powered on because the power up on mouse click feature
>> of the Motherboard Chipset requires the mouse to be powered for the feature
>> to operate.  But that feature is disabled in the BIOS  and still the LinTard
>> OS keeps the mouse powered up even when the machine is powered down.
>>
>>   It's a power management failure in the LinTard OS.
>
> You are obviously intelligent, but you just don't see what's right in
> front of you.  This has absolutely nothing to do with Linux and
> everything to do with your BIOS.  If the system is powered down it's
> the BIOS responsibility to manage hardware and not Linux.
>
> pebcak
>
> -Eric
>

Define "powered down" in this context.  This is where
one gets into vampires: systems that take a little bit
of electrical power even though the user has essentially
thought he'd shut it off.  This is apparently fairly
common in non-computer consumer equipment -- which can be
reasonable, as a TiVo, VDR, or VCR has to be able to switch
itself on and record something at an appropriate time.

(Some coffeepots also have this capability.  I'll admit
I've never seen the point for a coffeepot, though,
especially since I don't wake up at a set time and
don't drink coffee at home during weekdays.)

At night on my Asus desktop motherboard, one can see
the green glow from an internal LED on the motherboard
(it's a jumbo LED, too -- very hard to miss), though the
back of the CPU.  If one flips a switch in the *back*,
near the power entry (as opposed to the front button),
one can shut off that LED and all power to the motherboard.

I have no idea what this mode is called, but clearly it's
not totally powered off -- though no fans are running,
and I doubt anything major is happening (otherwise it
would overheat).  In a laptop this might be a variant
of Standby or Hibernate.  I frankly don't know.

This is a different issue from Linux initiating powerdown,
which for some reason isn't quite working right on this
mobo.  It has worked in the past -- I'd have to look to
see exactly which version -- which made for convenient
management; I initiate shutdown and the thing powers off,
except for the aforementioned "keeper LED".

Now, I have to initiate a *reboot*, wait for GRUB to come
up, then hit the front power switch.  If I initiate a
shutdown the unit will spin down the drives but locks
up or halts at the very end, all fans running; I have
to press and hold the front switch for about 5 seconds,
and then everything shuts off.

My two Optiplex units can power themselves off (I think),
though I'm not using the one at the moment and the other
is usually always on anyway.  I've not looked in my Kayak
lately.  I suspect all ATX-based systems do this sort of
thing now.

Since Linux doesn't use the BIOS things could get
interesting.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/6/2007 8:18:12 PM
VistaEra wrote:

<snip>

One word: Knoppix.
It just works.

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0
2/6/2007 8:32:17 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:06:01 -0500
<T75yh.10084$4Q2.4019@read1.cgocable.net>:
>
> "Ericew" <ericew@gmail.com> wrote
>>  If the system is powered down it's
>> the BIOS responsibility to manage hardware and not Linux.
>
>   It's the responsibility of Linux to manage all of the computer's hardware.
> But I do know that Linux on very many machines is still using 1990's VESA
> graphcis and using the CPU to do the graphic manipulation rather than the
> accelerated video on the GUI.
>
>   Linux is such a pathetic OS.
>
>   Linux the never ready for prime time OS.
>

I thought it was using 1970's-era teletypes.  Can't you guys get your
stories straight?

:-)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/6/2007 8:58:05 PM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
> >   It's the responsibility of Linux to manage all of the computer's
hardware.
> > But I do know that Linux on very many machines is still using 1990's
VESA
> > graphcis and using the CPU to do the graphic manipulation rather than
the
> > accelerated video on the GUI.
> >
> >   Linux is such a pathetic OS.
> >
> >   Linux the never ready for prime time OS.

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> I thought it was using 1970's-era teletypes.  Can't you guys get your
> stories straight?

 You misunderstand, the 1070's style teletypes are for self discribed
LinTard "Power" users.

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2/6/2007 9:13:42 PM
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> One word: Knoppix.
> It just works.

In the 10 minutes I've used it (knoppix) here is what I've found.

1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is installed and
empty)
2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is installed)
3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with error"
5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items are
selected.
8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
10. No device management capability
11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No network
access
13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an error.
15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the proper root
password is given.
16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.

  So basically, it's unusable crap, like every other version of Linux.....

  Too bad really because I like the interface.


0
2/6/2007 9:22:51 PM
I wish I could see the original post in this thread, but I cant, so I'd
just like to state re: the subject.

Last night I had the honor of attending the annual sports dinner at the
Hyatt Regency in Vancouver. Some of Canada's most influential people
attended and I had an opportunity to talk to the IT people who work with
them. Almost unanimously, they agreed that they are moving their offices
away from Microsoft to Linux and Macs. The underlying reasons being
Vista and Office 2007.

The person who ran the show admitted that he used Office 2007 for about
a month but was forced to uninstall it and go back to Office 2003
because of performance issues.

Vista is just universally considered a no-go in corprate settings. It
was just too damned slow and unintuitive.

Every executive in my area is being advised to use something other than
Microsoft. Corporate trials of Microsoft products are failing.

Hell, I've moved my Wifes computer to Linux a week ago now and I'm
hearing no complaints. Vista will never see the inside of my home.

-- 
The problem with this country is that there is no death penalty for
incompetence.

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jason122 (396)
2/6/2007 9:27:29 PM
VistaEra wrote:
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>> One word: Knoppix.
>> It just works.
>
> In the 10 minutes I've used it (knoppix) here is what I've found.
>
> 1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is installed
> and empty)
> 2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is installed)
> 3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
> 4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with
> error"
> 5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
> 6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
> 7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items are
> selected.
> 8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
> 9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
> 10. No device management capability
> 11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
> 12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No
> network access
> 13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
> 14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an
> error.
> 15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the proper
> root password is given.
> 16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.
>
>  So basically, it's unusable crap, like every other version of
> Linux.....
>
>  Too bad really because I like the interface.

Funny thing is, I've not had any of those problems when using it, with 
the exception of not being able to log in as root (some bright spark 
forgot to include the root *password*, LOL...)

I used it as a stopgap measure when the HD on one of my machines died, 
and it worked just fine - no problems with graphics, sound or network 
access. Could get into the Windows shared folders on my other machines, 
access the Internet, play music and watch video. Just about the only 
thing I couldn't do was run games, and that because most games don't 
have Linux binaries. <g>

Maybe it just doesn't like your PC for some reason?

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to expect the worst.

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0
2/6/2007 9:37:25 PM
On 2007-02-06, The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> I thought it was using 1970's-era teletypes.  Can't you guys get your
> stories straight?

Sometimes, a teletype is called for:

         1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
      1  * . . . . R . . . .  Stardate      2516.3
      2  . . . E . . . . . .  Condition     RED  
      3  . . . . . * . B . .  Position      5 - 1, 2 - 4
      4  . . . S . . . . . .  Life Support  DAMAGED, Reserves=2.30
      5  . . . . . . . K . .  Warp Factor   5.0
      6  . K .   . . . . * .  Energy        2176.24
      7  . . . . . P . . . .  Torpedoes     3
      8  . . . . * . . . . .  Shields       UP, 42% 1050.0 units
      9  . * . . * . . . C .  Klingons Left 12
     10  . . . . . . . . . .  Time Left     3.72
     COMMAND>
0
reply_in_group (13194)
2/6/2007 9:47:37 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Handover Phist
<jason@NOSPAMwebsterscafe.com>
 wrote
on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:27:29 GMT
<slrneshsh3.8qa.jason@jason.websterscafe.com>:
> I wish I could see the original post in this thread, but I cant, so I'd
> just like to state re: the subject.
>
> Last night I had the honor of attending the annual sports dinner at the
> Hyatt Regency in Vancouver. Some of Canada's most influential people
> attended and I had an opportunity to talk to the IT people who work with
> them. Almost unanimously, they agreed that they are moving their offices
> away from Microsoft to Linux and Macs. The underlying reasons being
> Vista and Office 2007.
>
> The person who ran the show admitted that he used Office 2007 for about
> a month but was forced to uninstall it and go back to Office 2003
> because of performance issues.
>
> Vista is just universally considered a no-go in corprate settings. It
> was just too damned slow and unintuitive.
>
> Every executive in my area is being advised to use something other than
> Microsoft. Corporate trials of Microsoft products are failing.
>
> Hell, I've moved my Wifes computer to Linux a week ago now and I'm
> hearing no complaints. Vista will never see the inside of my home.
>

Interesting, if anecdotal.  I've not seen too much here at
$EMPLOYER, but there might have been a note some months
back that stated that they recommended Vista migration
be delayed.  Unfortunately, I've since lost that email --
Evolution is reliable but it also reliably deletes email
if one attempts to restore contacts for some odd reason;
I'm not about to do that again, whatever I did :-).
Fortunately, my contacts are limited to my immediate
workmates and a couple of people elsewhere.

Admittedly, the piggish performance might simply have
been a lack of RAM; since RAM currently costs $150/GB --
about an hour or two's time for a good engineer -- this
may be a quicky cheapie fix, if the computer has slots open.
If not...problem.

I'm not sure I like OpenOffice, but I like it more than
MSOffice.  It is simple enough to use, and can handle
Microsoft formats like Powerpoint, Excel, and Word.
(It also has its own formats.  I'm not sure how standard
those formats are but they're relatively open; unzip and
one can play with the XML files therein.  Presumably,
these are documented somewhere; I'd have to look.)

And of course I have two additional computers happily
running Linux.  The one is a 256MB which I had to rescue;
it *was* running WinNT or 2k but decided to botch itself
when trying to update its virus files for some reason.
I had to put Linux on it and now it's my "server" box.

Another is a reasonably good foot-warmer. :-)  It actually
has more RAM but a slower CPU, and not all that much
disk space.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/6/2007 9:52:51 PM
> VistaEra wrote:
> > "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> >> One word: Knoppix.
> >> It just works.
> >
> > In the 10 minutes I've used it (knoppix) here is what I've found.
> >
> > 1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is installed
> > and empty)
> > 2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is installed)
> > 3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
> > 4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with
> > error"
> > 5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
> > 6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
> > 7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items are
> > selected.
> > 8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
> > 9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
> > 10. No device management capability
> > 11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
> > 12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No
> > network access
> > 13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
> > 14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an
> > error.
> > 15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the proper
> > root password is given.
> > 16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.
> >
> >  So basically, it's unusable crap, like every other version of
> > Linux.....
> >
> >  Too bad really because I like the interface.



"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> Funny thing is, I've not had any of those problems when using it, with
> the exception of not being able to log in as root (some bright spark
> forgot to include the root *password*, LOL...)

  You are just too stupid to notice I guess.


"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> Maybe it just doesn't like your PC for some reason?

  It's just like every other version of the LinTard OS.  Never functional,
Always brain dead, and always user hostile irrespective of the hardware it's
installed onto.





0
2/6/2007 9:53:40 PM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

> In the 10 minutes I've used it (knoppix) here is what I've found.
> 
> 1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is installed
> and empty)
> 2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is installed)
> 3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
> 4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with
> error" 5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
> 6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
> 7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items are
> selected.
> 8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
> 9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
> 10. No device management capability
> 11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
> 12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No
> network access
> 13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
> 14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an
> error. 15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the
> proper root password is given.
> 16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.

So, you're saying that you're a technotard?
0
writer (25)
2/6/2007 9:57:02 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tim Smith
<reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com>
 wrote
on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:47:37 -0000
<12shtrpg3aef2ee@news.supernews.com>:
> On 2007-02-06, The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>> I thought it was using 1970's-era teletypes.  Can't you guys get your
>> stories straight?
>
> Sometimes, a teletype is called for:
>
>          1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
>       1  * . . . . R . . . .  Stardate      2516.3
>       2  . . . E . . . . . .  Condition     RED  
>       3  . . . . . * . B . .  Position      5 - 1, 2 - 4
>       4  . . . S . . . . . .  Life Support  DAMAGED, Reserves=2.30
>       5  . . . . . . . K . .  Warp Factor   5.0
>       6  . K .   . . . . * .  Energy        2176.24
>       7  . . . . . P . . . .  Torpedoes     3
>       8  . . . . * . . . . .  Shields       UP, 42% 1050.0 units
>       9  . * . . * . . . C .  Klingons Left 12
>      10  . . . . . . . . . .  Time Left     3.72
>      COMMAND>

Ah yes, those pesky Klingons. :-)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/6/2007 10:33:17 PM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> So, you're saying that you're a technotard?

  No, I am clearly Illustrating how Linux is a pile of shit.


In the 10 minutes I've used a new installation of (knoppix) here is what
I've found.

1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is installed and
empty)
2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is installed)
3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with error"
5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items are
selected.
8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
10. No device management capability
11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No network
access
13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an error.
15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the proper root
password is given.
16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.

  So basically, it's unusable crap, like every other version of Linux.....

  Too bad really because I like the interface.



0
2/6/2007 10:53:28 PM
EvilBill came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago in
comp.os.linux.advocacy:

> VistaEra wrote:
>> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>>> One word: Knoppix.
>>> It just works.
>>
>> In the 10 minutes I've used it (knoppix) here is what I've found.
>>
>> 1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is installed
>> and empty)
>> 2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is installed)
>> 3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
>> 4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with
>> error"
>> 5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
>> 6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
>> 7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items are
>> selected.
>> 8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
>> 9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
>> 10. No device management capability
>> 11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
>> 12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No
>> network access
>> 13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
>> 14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an
>> error.
>> 15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the proper
>> root password is given.
>> 16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.
>>
>>  So basically, it's unusable crap, like every other version of
>> Linux.....
>>
>>  Too bad really because I like the interface.
> 
> Funny thing is, I've not had any of those problems when using it, with 
> the exception of not being able to log in as root (some bright spark 
> forgot to include the root *password*, LOL...)
> 
> I used it as a stopgap measure when the HD on one of my machines died, 
> and it worked just fine - no problems with graphics, sound or network 
> access. Could get into the Windows shared folders on my other machines, 
> access the Internet, play music and watch video. Just about the only 
> thing I couldn't do was run games, and that because most games don't 
> have Linux binaries. <g>
> 
> Maybe it just doesn't like your PC for some reason?
> 

I don't know if it's documented (I don't need no steenking manuals!), but to
use a root command in Knoppix live mode you first have to set a root
password by going into the root shell (K->KNOPPIX->Root Shell) and type
"passwd", where you will be prompted for a new root password. Then again to
confirm it. This done, you may now execute system-level shell commands and
applications such as QTParted, KNX-HDInstall, etc.

HTH, HAND, LYBB.
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james199 (2531)
2/6/2007 11:37:20 PM
The Ghost In The Machine came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard
a moment ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:

> Note subject change.
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ericew
> <ericew@gmail.com>
>  wrote
> on 6 Feb 2007 10:09:58 -0800
> <1170785398.631778.184330@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>> On Feb 6, 1:05 pm, "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>   The mouse is kept powered on because the power up on mouse click
feature
>>> of the Motherboard Chipset requires the mouse to be powered for the
feature
>>> to operate.  But that feature is disabled in the BIOS  and still the
LinTard
>>> OS keeps the mouse powered up even when the machine is powered down.
>>>
>>>   It's a power management failure in the LinTard OS.
>>
>> You are obviously intelligent, but you just don't see what's right in
>> front of you.  This has absolutely nothing to do with Linux and
>> everything to do with your BIOS.  If the system is powered down it's
>> the BIOS responsibility to manage hardware and not Linux.
>>
>> pebcak
>>
>> -Eric
>>
> 
> Define "powered down" in this context.  This is where
> one gets into vampires: systems that take a little bit
> of electrical power even though the user has essentially
> thought he'd shut it off.  This is apparently fairly
> common in non-computer consumer equipment -- which can be
> reasonable, as a TiVo, VDR, or VCR has to be able to switch
> itself on and record something at an appropriate time.
> 
> (Some coffeepots also have this capability.  I'll admit
> I've never seen the point for a coffeepot, though,
> especially since I don't wake up at a set time and
> don't drink coffee at home during weekdays.)
> 
> At night on my Asus desktop motherboard, one can see
> the green glow from an internal LED on the motherboard
> (it's a jumbo LED, too -- very hard to miss), though the
> back of the CPU.  If one flips a switch in the *back*,
> near the power entry (as opposed to the front button),
> one can shut off that LED and all power to the motherboard.
> 
> I have no idea what this mode is called, but clearly it's
> not totally powered off -- though no fans are running,
> and I doubt anything major is happening (otherwise it
> would overheat).  In a laptop this might be a variant
> of Standby or Hibernate.  I frankly don't know.
> 
> This is a different issue from Linux initiating powerdown,
> which for some reason isn't quite working right on this
> mobo.  It has worked in the past -- I'd have to look to
> see exactly which version -- which made for convenient
> management; I initiate shutdown and the thing powers off,
> except for the aforementioned "keeper LED".
> 
> Now, I have to initiate a *reboot*, wait for GRUB to come
> up, then hit the front power switch.  If I initiate a
> shutdown the unit will spin down the drives but locks
> up or halts at the very end, all fans running; I have
> to press and hold the front switch for about 5 seconds,
> and then everything shuts off.
> 
> My two Optiplex units can power themselves off (I think),
> though I'm not using the one at the moment and the other
> is usually always on anyway.  I've not looked in my Kayak
> lately.  I suspect all ATX-based systems do this sort of
> thing now.
> 
> Since Linux doesn't use the BIOS things could get
> interesting.
> 

What you're seeing there is the ATX +5V rail used for APM/ACPI power
management. It runs at a constant 2A (hence a normally shut down system
will consume 10W as long as the power cord is in and the hard switch is set
to the "ON" position), so if you have a USB device plugged in and the
system "shut down", you may experience USB devices still powered up. This
is useful for wake-on-mouse events, to be sure, but it only occurs on
boards where the +5SB (5V Standby) shares the rail directly with the USB
bus. Newer boards and older "Pro" boards use a separate +5SB rail which
utilises a spare connector on the ATX bus hence you will not see this
effect.

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james199 (2531)
2/6/2007 11:47:12 PM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> Ah yes, those pesky Klingons. :-)

Vista... It is controller... Is it not?


0
2/6/2007 11:55:54 PM
VistaEra wrote:
>> VistaEra wrote:
>>> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> One word: Knoppix.
>>>> It just works.
>>>
>>> In the 10 minutes I've used it (knoppix) here is what I've found.
>>>
>>> 1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is
>>> installed and empty)
>>> 2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is
>>> installed)
>>> 3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
>>> 4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with
>>> error"
>>> 5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
>>> 6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
>>> 7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items
>>> are selected.
>>> 8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
>>> 9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
>>> 10. No device management capability
>>> 11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
>>> 12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No
>>> network access
>>> 13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
>>> 14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an
>>> error.
>>> 15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the proper
>>> root password is given.
>>> 16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.
>>>
>>>  So basically, it's unusable crap, like every other version of
>>> Linux.....
>>>
>>>  Too bad really because I like the interface.
>
>
>
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>> Funny thing is, I've not had any of those problems when using it,
>> with the exception of not being able to log in as root (some bright
>> spark forgot to include the root *password*, LOL...)
>
>  You are just too stupid to notice I guess.
>

I'm sorry? Like I said, with the exception of not having the root 
password, the thing worked. I think I'd know if it wasn't detecting my 
network setup!

>
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>> Maybe it just doesn't like your PC for some reason?
>
>  It's just like every other version of the LinTard OS.  Never
> functional, Always brain dead, and always user hostile irrespective
> of the hardware it's installed onto.

Sounds like every version of Windows with the possible exception of 
Windows 2000...

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to expect the worst.

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0
2/6/2007 11:57:30 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jim
<james@the-computer-shop.co.uk>
 wrote
on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:47:12 GMT
<4s8yh.1122$mn2.467@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>:
> The Ghost In The Machine came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard
> a moment ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>
>> Note subject change.
>> 
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ericew
>> <ericew@gmail.com>
>>  wrote
>> on 6 Feb 2007 10:09:58 -0800
>> <1170785398.631778.184330@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>>> On Feb 6, 1:05 pm, "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>   The mouse is kept powered on because the power up on mouse click
> feature
>>>> of the Motherboard Chipset requires the mouse to be powered for the
> feature
>>>> to operate.  But that feature is disabled in the BIOS  and still the
> LinTard
>>>> OS keeps the mouse powered up even when the machine is powered down.
>>>>
>>>>   It's a power management failure in the LinTard OS.
>>>
>>> You are obviously intelligent, but you just don't see what's right in
>>> front of you.  This has absolutely nothing to do with Linux and
>>> everything to do with your BIOS.  If the system is powered down it's
>>> the BIOS responsibility to manage hardware and not Linux.
>>>
>>> pebcak
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>> 
>> Define "powered down" in this context.  This is where
>> one gets into vampires: systems that take a little bit
>> of electrical power even though the user has essentially
>> thought he'd shut it off.  This is apparently fairly
>> common in non-computer consumer equipment -- which can be
>> reasonable, as a TiVo, VDR, or VCR has to be able to switch
>> itself on and record something at an appropriate time.
>> 
>> (Some coffeepots also have this capability.  I'll admit
>> I've never seen the point for a coffeepot, though,
>> especially since I don't wake up at a set time and
>> don't drink coffee at home during weekdays.)
>> 
>> At night on my Asus desktop motherboard, one can see
>> the green glow from an internal LED on the motherboard
>> (it's a jumbo LED, too -- very hard to miss), though the
>> back of the CPU.  If one flips a switch in the *back*,
>> near the power entry (as opposed to the front button),
>> one can shut off that LED and all power to the motherboard.
>> 
>> I have no idea what this mode is called, but clearly it's
>> not totally powered off -- though no fans are running,
>> and I doubt anything major is happening (otherwise it
>> would overheat).  In a laptop this might be a variant
>> of Standby or Hibernate.  I frankly don't know.
>> 
>> This is a different issue from Linux initiating powerdown,
>> which for some reason isn't quite working right on this
>> mobo.  It has worked in the past -- I'd have to look to
>> see exactly which version -- which made for convenient
>> management; I initiate shutdown and the thing powers off,
>> except for the aforementioned "keeper LED".
>> 
>> Now, I have to initiate a *reboot*, wait for GRUB to come
>> up, then hit the front power switch.  If I initiate a
>> shutdown the unit will spin down the drives but locks
>> up or halts at the very end, all fans running; I have
>> to press and hold the front switch for about 5 seconds,
>> and then everything shuts off.
>> 
>> My two Optiplex units can power themselves off (I think),
>> though I'm not using the one at the moment and the other
>> is usually always on anyway.  I've not looked in my Kayak
>> lately.  I suspect all ATX-based systems do this sort of
>> thing now.
>> 
>> Since Linux doesn't use the BIOS things could get
>> interesting.
>> 
>
> What you're seeing there is the ATX +5V rail used for APM/ACPI power
> management. It runs at a constant 2A (hence a normally shut down system
> will consume 10W as long as the power cord is in and the hard switch is set
> to the "ON" position), so if you have a USB device plugged in and the
> system "shut down", you may experience USB devices still powered up. This
> is useful for wake-on-mouse events, to be sure, but it only occurs on
> boards where the +5SB (5V Standby) shares the rail directly with the USB
> bus. Newer boards and older "Pro" boards use a separate +5SB rail which
> utilises a spare connector on the ATX bus hence you will not see this
> effect.
>
> HTH, HAND, LYBB.

Interesting.  I don't know if my mouse is still on or not
(it's the only USB device I have).  I rather doubt it;
it glows if it's on and it's rather noticeable.  I'll have
to check.

(It's an A7S333 board, if that helps any.)

I'm mildly surprised it consumes all 10 watts.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 12:04:21 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:55:54 -0500
<nv8yh.19282$Un.11834@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> Ah yes, those pesky Klingons. :-)
>
> Vista... It is controller... Is it not?
>

All your desktop are belong to us.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 12:04:42 AM
"Jim" <james@the-computer-shop.co.uk> wrote
> I don't know if it's documented (I don't need no steenking manuals!), but
to
> use a root command in Knoppix live mode you first have to set a root
> password by going into the root shell (K->KNOPPIX->Root Shell) and type
> "passwd", where you will be prompted for a new root password. Then again
to
> confirm it. This done, you may now execute system-level shell commands and
> applications such as QTParted, KNX-HDInstall, etc.

It asked for and received an admin password when it istalled.

Welcome to Debian at box.

Enter userID          <entered>
Enter password     <entered>

Response

"root logins are not allowed."

Oh ya, Linux is going to take the world by storm it is.

15 years in development you cock sucking morons can't even manage to get the
OS logon working properly.

Shit Sucking Linux Dung Eaters....






0
2/7/2007 12:09:00 AM
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> I'm sorry? Like I said, with the exception of not having the root
> password, the thing worked. I think I'd know if it wasn't detecting my
> network setup!

  It did?  An install that gives me 4 duplicate icons for my CD drive, some
of which are mapped to the HD by the way, 2 duplicates for the DVD player,
and 2 for the HD (which has only one data partition) is what you fucking
dung eaters consider working?

  An install in which there is no 2d acceleration and the video driver is
running in 1990's Vesa compatibility mode is a working install?

  An install where I can't run 80% of the programs provided because they all
terminate before starting with the error message "su ended with an error",
is a working install?

  Ahahahahahahaha... Now we see why LinTurds claim to have installed their
Shit Stick OS without difficulty, because what they claim is a working OS is
actually a critically broken OS.

  And that dear viewer, is why they are all moronic Shit Suckers.



0
2/7/2007 12:15:11 AM
VistaSheep barfed up this disgusting mess:

>   It did?  An install that gives me 4 duplicate icons for my CD drive,
>   some 
> of which are mapped to the HD by the way, 2 duplicates for the DVD
> player, and 2 for the HD (which has only one data partition) is what
> you fucking dung eaters consider working?
> 
>   An install in which there is no 2d acceleration and the video driver
>   is 
> running in 1990's Vesa compatibility mode is a working install?
> 
>   An install where I can't run 80% of the programs provided because
>   they all 
> terminate before starting with the error message "su ended with an
> error", is a working install?

Conclusion: You're a technotard, probably incapable of working anything 
more advanced than a toaster.
0
writer (25)
2/7/2007 12:21:10 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, malscribe
<writer@rotted.pencil>
 wrote
on 07 Feb 2007 00:21:10 GMT
<B8298CFB03CA4@E6A183A>:
> VistaSheep barfed up this disgusting mess:
>
>>   It did?  An install that gives me 4 duplicate icons for my CD drive,
>>   some 
>> of which are mapped to the HD by the way, 2 duplicates for the DVD
>> player, and 2 for the HD (which has only one data partition) is what
>> you fucking dung eaters consider working?
>> 
>>   An install in which there is no 2d acceleration and the video driver
>>   is 
>> running in 1990's Vesa compatibility mode is a working install?
>> 
>>   An install where I can't run 80% of the programs provided because
>>   they all 
>> terminate before starting with the error message "su ended with an
>> error", is a working install?
>
> Conclusion: You're a technotard, probably incapable of working anything 
> more advanced than a toaster.

We lose either way.

Either:

[1] VistaX can't handle anything more sophisticated than
a toaster, and therefore Windows Vista is easy to use, or

[2] VistaX can't handle Linux, and therefore Linux is hard
to use, but he's familiar with Windows Vista even though
it's more complicated.

Sigh.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 1:12:13 AM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> All your desktop are belong to us.

Moonligting for the NSA?



0
2/7/2007 1:26:26 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:26:26 -0500
<fQ9yh.19352$Un.12449@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> All your desktop are belong to us.
>
> Moonligting for the NSA?
>

You are on the way to destruction.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 1:58:59 AM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> You are on the way to destruction.

  Come get some.


0
2/7/2007 3:33:52 AM
The Ghost In The Machine barfed up this disgusting mess:

> 
> We lose either way.

Nope.  VistaTard just nailed five text groups with four binaries -- a total 
of 20 direct violations of each of the 2nd and 8th bullets in the 
newsgroup-related portion of his ISP's TOS -- thereby proving himself to be 
a fucking idiot and also lowering himself from mere troll to full-blown 
network abuser.

We both win, because we aren't network-abusing morons.  He loses.
0
writer (25)
2/7/2007 4:45:54 AM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Nope.  VistaTard just nailed five text groups with four binaries -- a
total
> of 20 direct violations of each of the 2nd and 8th bullets in the
> newsgroup-related portion of his ISP's TOS -- thereby proving himself to
be
> a fucking idiot and also lowering himself from mere troll to full-blown
> network abuser.

Blow me dog boy


0
2/7/2007 5:39:51 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:Oxdyh.10625$4Q2.4605@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
>> Nope.  VistaTard just nailed five text groups with four binaries -- a
> total
>> of 20 direct violations of each of the 2nd and 8th bullets in the
>> newsgroup-related portion of his ISP's TOS -- thereby proving himself to
> be
>> a fucking idiot and also lowering himself from mere troll to full-blown
>> network abuser.
>
> Blow me dog boy

Did your dog stop working for food?

>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 5:53:08 AM
In article <m8f3u.mvh.19.1@news.alt.net>, SameAsB4
<exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:Oxdyh.10625$4Q2.4605@read1.cgocable.net...
> >
> > "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> >> Nope.  VistaTard just nailed five text groups with four binaries -- a
> > total
> >> of 20 direct violations of each of the 2nd and 8th bullets in the
> >> newsgroup-related portion of his ISP's TOS -- thereby proving himself to
> > be
> >> a fucking idiot and also lowering himself from mere troll to full-blown
> >> network abuser.
> >
> > Blow me dog boy
> 
> Did your dog stop working for food?

A bit OT here, but I just realized exactly how many of these Gates
slurping fucktards are taking nyms with "Vista" in them . . .  LOL,
talk about desperate. : )
> 
> >
> > 
>

-- 
Max Grrl
 ---
"When he pulled it out you tackled me" Porchmonkey4Life admits he's been
sucking Snarky's cock AGAIN in response to my question "Are you done
"effortlessly" sucking his cock yet?" o_O
MID: <GvExh.50229$WI6.24306@trnddc04>

"Does my doggie's c0ck taste better than yours?" Porchy admits sucking Hat's
cock!! o_O
MID: <RCWxh.2254$384.981@trnddc05>
0
2/7/2007 6:11:49 AM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote in message 
news:B8298CFDD1DB4@E6A64E8...
> The Ghost In The Machine barfed up this disgusting mess:
>
>>
>> We lose either way.
>
> Nope.  VistaTard just nailed five text groups with four binaries -- a 
> total
> of 20 direct violations of each of the 2nd and 8th bullets in the
> newsgroup-related portion of his ISP's TOS -- thereby proving himself to 
> be
> a fucking idiot and also lowering himself from mere troll to full-blown
> network abuser.
>
> We both win, because we aren't network-abusing morons.  He loses.

The VistaEra is a regular kook active in alt.usenet.kooks. That newsgroup is 
a waste of oxygen. 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 7:06:56 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:RA7yh.10113$4Q2.9029@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
>> So, you're saying that you're a technotard?

That's also your sock.

>
>  No, I am clearly Illustrating how Linux is a pile of shit.
>
>
> In the 10 minutes I've used a new installation of (knoppix) here is what
> I've found.
>
> 1.   It displays 3 extra CD icons on the desktop (only 1 is installed and
> empty)
> 2.   It displays 1 extra HD icon on the desktop (only 1 is installed)
> 3.   Attempting to drag the unused icons to the trash fails.
> 4.   Attempting to setup the network returns with "su exited with error"
> 5.   Attempting to log on as root is not permitted.
> 6.   Sound mixer doesn't work properly
> 7.   Audio pops and distorts when windows are moved or menu items are
> selected.
> 8.   Menu item to pull up a root terminal fails.
> 9.   Keyboard improperly identiifed booting from CD, but not HD.
> 10. No device management capability
> 11. Didn't configure network adaptor correctly - no network access
> 12. Didn't configure network drivers correctly - invalid params - No 
> network
> access
> 13. Trying to set network params returnd with "SU exited with error"
> 14. Selecting the user setting option from the run menu returns an error.
> 15. No root access from the graphical shell even though the proper root
> password is given.
> 16. Vesa graphic mode (non accelerated) is strongly suspected.
>
>  So basically, it's unusable crap, like every other version of Linux.....
>
>  Too bad really because I like the interface.

Did you create all these socketpuppets so that their newsgroups knows that 
you know how to adminisister? The scheme is pretty simple too: all-you-lame. 
You spoke for Windows and Linux in alternating sock steps after you 
koologically started the flame.

>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 7:16:03 AM
"Max Grrl" <maxtheangel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:070220070011493476%maxtheangel@gmail.com...
> In article <m8f3u.mvh.19.1@news.alt.net>, SameAsB4
> <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Oxdyh.10625$4Q2.4605@read1.cgocable.net...
>> >
>> > "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
>> >> Nope.  VistaTard just nailed five text groups with four binaries -- a
>> > total
>> >> of 20 direct violations of each of the 2nd and 8th bullets in the
>> >> newsgroup-related portion of his ISP's TOS -- thereby proving himself 
>> >> to
>> > be
>> >> a fucking idiot and also lowering himself from mere troll to 
>> >> full-blown
>> >> network abuser.
>> >
>> > Blow me dog boy
>>
>> Did your dog stop working for food?
>
> A bit OT here, but I just realized exactly how many of these Gates
> slurping fucktards are taking nyms with "Vista" in them . . .  LOL,
> talk about desperate. : )

The VistaKing is same as the VistaEra, who is also Meat Plow and Kadaitcha 
Man, or possibly Peter J. Ross.

>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> -- 
> Max Grrl
> ---
> "When he pulled it out you tackled me" Porchmonkey4Life admits he's been
> sucking Snarky's cock AGAIN in response to my question "Are you done
> "effortlessly" sucking his cock yet?" o_O
> MID: <GvExh.50229$WI6.24306@trnddc04>
>
> "Does my doggie's c0ck taste better than yours?" Porchy admits sucking 
> Hat's
> cock!! o_O
> MID: <RCWxh.2254$384.981@trnddc05> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 7:58:17 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:39:51 -0500, VistaEra attempted to confuse the
issue further by squeaking:
> "malscribe" wrote
>> Nope.  VistaTard just nailed five text groups with four binaries -- a
> total
>> of 20 direct violations of each of the 2nd and 8th bullets in the
>> newsgroup-related portion of his ISP's TOS -- thereby proving himself to
> be
>> a fucking idiot and also lowering himself from mere troll to full-blown
>> network abuser.
> 
> Blow me dog boy

By Friday, I'm going to nominate you. For something. Dunno what, but
it'll be foam-producing.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
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The God of Odd Statements, the Ugliest Pigfucker In The Universe
Stupidity Takes Its Toll. Please Have Exact Change.

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"You're like some kind of rabid attack-gerbil." -- Lionel Lauer to Joxer
in MID: <oorbs2pt3dc6b8t4aps7a68k0s9stn2e4i@4ax.com>

"I say you are out of your fucking mind." -- Ying Guo, posting as
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com>, tells PorchMonkey4Life, posting
as the same nick but a slightly different morph, the score, in MID:
<ka4lo.338.19.1@news.alt.net>

"in the holy spirit i know you would satisfy every single person in a
room if you were the only person present." -- ~tanya, to Crazy Andy II,
in MID: <1167007805.998087.289050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

If you never read anything else in any of my sigs, read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167/
http://borealin.livejournal.com/15104.html
Or watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqxmPjB0WSs
Then, if you manage to read/watch all that, try this:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
And Molly Ivins had a few choice words to say about it, weeks before:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906B.shtml
Here's Chris Floyd: Fatal Vision: The Deeper Evil Behind the Detainee
Bill: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100206A.shtml

"Q: What's the difference between the Vietnam War and the Iraq War?
A: George W. Bush had a plan to get out of the Vietnam War." -- Anon.

Thread where outing begins: http://tinyurl.com/hojf8
George Pickett Memorial Trophy, Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart,
and the Order of the Holey Sockpuppet winner <wfh_jr@hotmail.com> on
outing personal contact info in x-poasted subject lines:
"Plenty of people post under their real names and do not attempt to hide
their contact info. You are scared of being 'outed' because you are a
pathological abuser of usenet, and people rightly despise you for it.
You're afraid of being reported to the authorities or, better, visited
by a couple of guys with baseball bats. Other people don't have this
obsessive fear. Ward Hardman himself has posted plenty of personal
information - nothing that anyone else added was hidden in any way.
You're so fucking scared you've built up this whole sick mythology about
different categories of bad dudes who 'out' scum like you.

"Meanwhile you are the ugliest pigfucker in the universe. You are the
coward without ethics. You call me a 'newbie' - ha! what an asshole you
are. Those who want to remain anonymous do so. There is absolutely no
way you could identify me, not unless you had the sort of subpoena power
that only gets turned on for big-time terrorists. That's because I chose
to be anonymous. Some people don't. Only really stupid dicks like you
choose the sort of semi-anonymity which leaves you in constant fear.

"What a dickless wonder you are 'Snarky' you fat asshole."
-- in MID: <1156587081.123977.43800@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

"I am the only one who has outer filthed Ward" -- James C. "Crackhead"
Cracked voluntarily self-immolates, in MID:
1159678991.838385.310840@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com

"When I told Abbie Hoffman that he was the first one who made me laugh
since Lenny Bruce died, Hoffman said, "Really? He was my god." The
combination of satirical irreverence and sense of justice that Bruce and
Hoffman shared was the real spirit behind the Yippies--a term I coined
to describe a phenomenon that already existed: an organic coalition of
stoned hippies and political activists who engaged in such actions as
throwing money on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, then
explaining to reporters the meaning of that symbolism. Folksinger Phil
Ochs summed it up: "A demonstration should turn you on, not turn you
off." So when journalists link the Yippies with misleading bedfellows,
at best it's careless shorthand; at worst it's deliberate demonization.
Osama bin Laden wanted an aircraft to crash into the Pentagon. Abbie
Hoffman merely wanted to levitate it." -- Paul Krassner,
http://tinyurl.com/ehu3v
0
verwarring (111)
2/7/2007 8:01:04 AM
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:28:05 -0500, VistaEra attempted to confuse the
issue further by squeaking:
> 
>> >   It did?  An install that gives me 4 duplicate icons for my CD drive,
>> >   some
>> > of which are mapped to the HD by the way, 2 duplicates for the DVD
>> > player, and 2 for the HD (which has only one data partition) is what
>> > you fucking dung eaters consider working?
>> >
>> >   An install in which there is no 2d acceleration and the video driver
>> >   is
>> > running in 1990's Vesa compatibility mode is a working install?
>> >
>> >   An install where I can't run 80% of the programs provided because
>> >   they all
>> > terminate before starting with the error message "su ended with an
>> > error", is a working install?
> 
> "malscribe" wrote
>> Conclusion: You're a technotard, probably incapable of working anything
>> more advanced than a toaster.
> 
>   Come on LinTard.  Here is your opportunity to prove yourself.  And all
>   you can do is keep sucking back the LinTard ShitStick.

My LinTard ShitStick has a newsreader which can handle binaries, like
the one you just posted to multiple groups. Handled it quite well, in
fact.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069
The God of Odd Statements, the Ugliest Pigfucker In The Universe
Stupidity Takes Its Toll. Please Have Exact Change.

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"You're like some kind of rabid attack-gerbil." -- Lionel Lauer to Joxer
in MID: <oorbs2pt3dc6b8t4aps7a68k0s9stn2e4i@4ax.com>

"I say you are out of your fucking mind." -- Ying Guo, posting as
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com>, tells PorchMonkey4Life, posting
as the same nick but a slightly different morph, the score, in MID:
<ka4lo.338.19.1@news.alt.net>

"in the holy spirit i know you would satisfy every single person in a
room if you were the only person present." -- ~tanya, to Crazy Andy II,
in MID: <1167007805.998087.289050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

If you never read anything else in any of my sigs, read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167/
http://borealin.livejournal.com/15104.html
Or watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqxmPjB0WSs
Then, if you manage to read/watch all that, try this:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
And Molly Ivins had a few choice words to say about it, weeks before:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906B.shtml
Here's Chris Floyd: Fatal Vision: The Deeper Evil Behind the Detainee
Bill: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100206A.shtml

"Q: What's the difference between the Vietnam War and the Iraq War?
A: George W. Bush had a plan to get out of the Vietnam War." -- Anon.

Thread where outing begins: http://tinyurl.com/hojf8
George Pickett Memorial Trophy, Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart,
and the Order of the Holey Sockpuppet winner <wfh_jr@hotmail.com> on
outing personal contact info in x-poasted subject lines:
"Plenty of people post under their real names and do not attempt to hide
their contact info. You are scared of being 'outed' because you are a
pathological abuser of usenet, and people rightly despise you for it.
You're afraid of being reported to the authorities or, better, visited
by a couple of guys with baseball bats. Other people don't have this
obsessive fear. Ward Hardman himself has posted plenty of personal
information - nothing that anyone else added was hidden in any way.
You're so fucking scared you've built up this whole sick mythology about
different categories of bad dudes who 'out' scum like you.

"Meanwhile you are the ugliest pigfucker in the universe. You are the
coward without ethics. You call me a 'newbie' - ha! what an asshole you
are. Those who want to remain anonymous do so. There is absolutely no
way you could identify me, not unless you had the sort of subpoena power
that only gets turned on for big-time terrorists. That's because I chose
to be anonymous. Some people don't. Only really stupid dicks like you
choose the sort of semi-anonymity which leaves you in constant fear.

"What a dickless wonder you are 'Snarky' you fat asshole."
-- in MID: <1156587081.123977.43800@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

"I am the only one who has outer filthed Ward" -- James C. "Crackhead"
Cracked voluntarily self-immolates, in MID:
1159678991.838385.310840@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com

"When I told Abbie Hoffman that he was the first one who made me laugh
since Lenny Bruce died, Hoffman said, "Really? He was my god." The
combination of satirical irreverence and sense of justice that Bruce and
Hoffman shared was the real spirit behind the Yippies--a term I coined
to describe a phenomenon that already existed: an organic coalition of
stoned hippies and political activists who engaged in such actions as
throwing money on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, then
explaining to reporters the meaning of that symbolism. Folksinger Phil
Ochs summed it up: "A demonstration should turn you on, not turn you
off." So when journalists link the Yippies with misleading bedfellows,
at best it's careless shorthand; at worst it's deliberate demonization.
Osama bin Laden wanted an aircraft to crash into the Pentagon. Abbie
Hoffman merely wanted to levitate it." -- Paul Krassner,
http://tinyurl.com/ehu3v
0
verwarring (111)
2/7/2007 8:06:07 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Did your dog stop working for food?

 No it still screws your sister for cookies.



0
2/7/2007 9:30:36 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> The VistaKing is same as the VistaEra, who is also Meat Plow and Kadaitcha
> Man, or possibly Peter J. Ross.

  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.



0
2/7/2007 9:31:54 AM
"Demon Lord of Confusion" <verwarring@verwirren.confused.k00ks> wrote
> By Friday, I'm going to nominate you. For something. Dunno what, but
> it'll be foam-producing.

  Please don't foam for me.  Besides, I prefer froth....


0
2/7/2007 9:33:43 AM
VistaEra attempted to confuse the
> >   Come on LinTard.  Here is your opportunity to prove yourself.  And all
> >   you can do is keep sucking back the LinTard ShitStick.


"Demon Lord of Confusion" <verwarring@verwirren.confused.k00ks> wrote
> My LinTard ShitStick has a newsreader which can handle binaries, like
> the one you just posted to multiple groups. Handled it quite well, in
> fact.

Just don't have the brain power for it ay?

Exactly as I predicted.

Stupid, Stupid LinTards.


0
2/7/2007 9:35:23 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Did you create all these socketpuppets so that their newsgroups knows that
> you know how to adminisister? The scheme is pretty simple too:
all-you-lame.
> You spoke for Windows and Linux in alternating sock steps after you
> koologically started the flame.

  How long have you been lining your baseball cap with tinfoil B4?



0
2/7/2007 9:36:51 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:Z%gyh.20942$Un.2169@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Did you create all these socketpuppets so that their newsgroups knows 
>> that
>> you know how to adminisister? The scheme is pretty simple too:
> all-you-lame.
>> You spoke for Windows and Linux in alternating sock steps after you
>> koologically started the flame.
>
>  How long have you been lining your baseball cap with tinfoil B4?

Do you like to microwave yourself so that others can't figure you look like 
a baked potato from birth?


>
>
> 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 9:53:14 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:lXgyh.10628$4Q2.677@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> The VistaKing is same as the VistaEra, who is also Meat Plow and 
>> Kadaitcha
>> Man, or possibly Peter J. Ross.
>
>  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.

You could also be the snuh turd.

>
>
> 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 9:54:31 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:33:43 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> "Demon Lord of Confusion" wrote
>> By Friday, I'm going to nominate you. For something. Dunno what, but
>> it'll be foam-producing.
> 
>   Please don't foam for me.  Besides, I prefer froth....

And you will.

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sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
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Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
<1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>

"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
<4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>

"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
 About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun 

"Property is theft." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is liberty." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is impossible." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

 "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>

"I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com

"Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will." 
                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct 
                        as needed) 

"may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom, 
in alt.discordia

"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch. 

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
http://tinyurl.com/kusmr
0
2/7/2007 9:54:56 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:6Wgyh.20940$Un.9282@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Did your dog stop working for food?
>
> No it still screws your sister for cookies.

It shows now, you are a kook and Vista is great.

>
>
> 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 9:56:20 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:35:23 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> VistaEra attempted to confuse the
>> >   Come on LinTard.  Here is your opportunity to prove yourself.  And
>> >   all you can do is keep sucking back the LinTard ShitStick.
> 
> "Demon Lord of Confusion" wrote
>> My LinTard ShitStick has a newsreader which can handle binaries, like
>> the one you just posted to multiple groups. Handled it quite well, in
>> fact.
> 
> Just don't have the brain power for it ay?
> 
> Exactly as I predicted.
> 
> Stupid, Stupid LinTards.

Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
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VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>

http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php

"This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
Loathing

http://www.runescape.com/
No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
Pretzel

"i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
<1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>

"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
<4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>

"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
 About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun 

"Property is theft." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is liberty." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is impossible." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

 "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>

"I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com

"Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will." 
                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct 
                        as needed) 

"may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom, 
in alt.discordia

"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch. 

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
http://tinyurl.com/kusmr
0
2/7/2007 9:56:25 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:31:54 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> "SameAsB4" wrote
>> The VistaKing is same as the VistaEra, who is also Meat Plow and
>> Kadaitcha Man, or possibly Peter J. Ross.
> 
>   I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.

Oh, now Ying's gone crazy again. BTW, Ying: MP, KM, and PJR are _my_
socks.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069
Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>

http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php

"This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
Loathing

http://www.runescape.com/
No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
Pretzel

"i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
<1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>

"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
<4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>

"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
 About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun 

"Property is theft." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is liberty." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is impossible." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

 "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>

"I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com

"Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will." 
                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct 
                        as needed) 

"may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom, 
in alt.discordia

"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch. 

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
http://tinyurl.com/kusmr
0
2/7/2007 10:07:40 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:36:51 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> "SameAsB4" wrote
>> Did you create all these socketpuppets so that their newsgroups knows
>> that you know how to adminisister? The scheme is pretty simple too:
> all-you-lame.
>> You spoke for Windows and Linux in alternating sock steps after you
>> koologically started the flame.
> 
>   How long have you been lining your baseball cap with tinfoil B4?

Since at least October 2004, or possibly even ten years earlier. He's
the Spirit of Endless September...

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069
Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>

http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php

"This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
Loathing

http://www.runescape.com/
No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
Pretzel

"i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
<1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>

"What are marijuana tablets?"

"When logic and proportion
Have fallen softly dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
Remember what the dormouse said:
'Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head'"
-- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane

I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

"Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
<4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>

"The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
setting.
 About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
days after using the Hammer on him

"Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
light bulb?
A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.

"Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun 

"Property is theft." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is liberty." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon 
"Property is impossible." 
      -- P. J. Proudhon

"Etymology:
Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.

 "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>

"I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com

"Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will." 
                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct 
                        as needed) 

"may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom, 
in alt.discordia

"We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
child at play." -- Heraclitus

"And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

"I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>

"But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch. 

"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
thousands as "just a comma" in world history.

"Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
http://tinyurl.com/kusmr
0
2/7/2007 10:09:28 AM
"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote in 
message news:pan.2007.02.07.10.07.36.740730@hell.corn...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:31:54 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
> screamed:
>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>> The VistaKing is same as the VistaEra, who is also Meat Plow and
>>> Kadaitcha Man, or possibly Peter J. Ross.
>>
>>   I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.
>
> Oh, now Ying's gone crazy again. BTW, Ying: MP, KM, and PJR are _my_
> socks.

It must be easier for you count who you are not, which become impossible for 
you not to be them.

>
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069
> Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition
>
> VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
> MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>
>
> "No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
> comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>
>
> http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php
>
> "This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
> can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
> sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
> Loathing
>
> http://www.runescape.com/
> No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
> Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
> Pretzel
>
> "i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
> Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
> <1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>
>
> "What are marijuana tablets?"
>
> "When logic and proportion
> Have fallen softly dead
> And the White Knight is talking backwards
> And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
> Remember what the dormouse said:
> 'Feed your head
> Feed your head
> Feed your head'"
> -- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane
>
> I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
> MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>
> "Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
> that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
> <4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>
>
> "The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
> coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
> bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
> books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
> setting.
> About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
> bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
> attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
> then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
> repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
> days after using the Hammer on him
>
> "Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
> light bulb?
> A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
> to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
> giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.
>
> "Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun
>
> "Property is theft."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is liberty."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is impossible."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
>
> "Etymology:
> Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
> Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.
>
> "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
>        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
>           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
>           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
> Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>
>
> "I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
> William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
> 12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com
>
> "Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will."
>                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct
>                        as needed)
>
> "may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom,
> in alt.discordia
>
> "We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
> child at play." -- Heraclitus
>
> "And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
> and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
> more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
> The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
> giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
> former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
> working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
>
> "I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
> moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>
>
> "But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
> almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
> See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
> know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
> and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
> that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
> progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.
>
> "In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
> it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
> let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
> saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
> never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
> thousands as "just a comma" in world history.
>
> "Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
> notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
> http://tinyurl.com/kusmr 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:12:38 AM
"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote in 
message news:pan.2007.02.07.09.56.22.432321@hell.corn...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:35:23 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
> screamed:
>> VistaEra attempted to confuse the
>>> >   Come on LinTard.  Here is your opportunity to prove yourself.  And
>>> >   all you can do is keep sucking back the LinTard ShitStick.
>>
>> "Demon Lord of Confusion" wrote
>>> My LinTard ShitStick has a newsreader which can handle binaries, like
>>> the one you just posted to multiple groups. Handled it quite well, in
>>> fact.
>>
>> Just don't have the brain power for it ay?
>>
>> Exactly as I predicted.
>>
>> Stupid, Stupid LinTards.
>
> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.

Do you now sit by shit holes for views?

>
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069
> Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition
>
> VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
> MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>
>
> "No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
> comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>
>
> http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php
>
> "This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
> can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
> sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
> Loathing
>
> http://www.runescape.com/
> No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
> Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
> Pretzel
>
> "i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
> Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
> <1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>
>
> "What are marijuana tablets?"
>
> "When logic and proportion
> Have fallen softly dead
> And the White Knight is talking backwards
> And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
> Remember what the dormouse said:
> 'Feed your head
> Feed your head
> Feed your head'"
> -- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane
>
> I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
> MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>
> "Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
> that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
> <4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>
>
> "The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
> coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
> bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
> books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
> setting.
> About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
> bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
> attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
> then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
> repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
> days after using the Hammer on him
>
> "Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
> light bulb?
> A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
> to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
> giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.
>
> "Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun
>
> "Property is theft."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is liberty."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is impossible."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
>
> "Etymology:
> Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
> Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.
>
> "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
>        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
>           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
>           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
> Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>
>
> "I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
> William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
> 12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com
>
> "Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will."
>                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct
>                        as needed)
>
> "may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom,
> in alt.discordia
>
> "We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
> child at play." -- Heraclitus
>
> "And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
> and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
> more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
> The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
> giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
> former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
> working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
>
> "I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
> moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>
>
> "But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
> almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
> See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
> know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
> and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
> that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
> progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.
>
> "In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
> it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
> let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
> saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
> never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
> thousands as "just a comma" in world history.
>
> "Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
> notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
> http://tinyurl.com/kusmr 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:17:22 AM
"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote in 
message news:pan.2007.02.07.09.54.53.724218@hell.corn...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:33:43 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
> screamed:
>> "Demon Lord of Confusion" wrote
>>> By Friday, I'm going to nominate you. For something. Dunno what, but
>>> it'll be foam-producing.
>>
>>   Please don't foam for me.  Besides, I prefer froth....
>
> And you will.

Have you figured out internally who's going to emit which stink?

>
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069
> Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition
>
> VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
> MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>
>
> "No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
> comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>
>
> http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php
>
> "This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
> can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
> sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
> Loathing
>
> http://www.runescape.com/
> No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
> Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
> Pretzel
>
> "i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
> Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
> <1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>
>
> "What are marijuana tablets?"
>
> "When logic and proportion
> Have fallen softly dead
> And the White Knight is talking backwards
> And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
> Remember what the dormouse said:
> 'Feed your head
> Feed your head
> Feed your head'"
> -- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane
>
> I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
> MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>
> "Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
> that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
> <4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>
>
> "The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
> coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
> bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
> books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
> setting.
> About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
> bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
> attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
> then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
> repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
> days after using the Hammer on him
>
> "Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
> light bulb?
> A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
> to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
> giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.
>
> "Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun
>
> "Property is theft."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is liberty."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is impossible."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
>
> "Etymology:
> Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
> Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.
>
> "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
>        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
>           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
>           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
> Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>
>
> "I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
> William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
> 12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com
>
> "Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will."
>                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct
>                        as needed)
>
> "may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom,
> in alt.discordia
>
> "We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
> child at play." -- Heraclitus
>
> "And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
> and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
> more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
> The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
> giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
> former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
> working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
>
> "I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
> moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>
>
> "But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
> almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
> See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
> know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
> and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
> that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
> progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.
>
> "In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
> it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
> let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
> saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
> never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
> thousands as "just a comma" in world history.
>
> "Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
> notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
> http://tinyurl.com/kusmr 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:18:21 AM
"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote in 
message news:pan.2007.02.07.10.09.25.911293@hell.corn...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:36:51 -0500, VistaEra did the cha-cha, and
> screamed:
>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>> Did you create all these socketpuppets so that their newsgroups knows
>>> that you know how to adminisister? The scheme is pretty simple too:
>> all-you-lame.
>>> You spoke for Windows and Linux in alternating sock steps after you
>>> koologically started the flame.
>>
>>   How long have you been lining your baseball cap with tinfoil B4?
>
> Since at least October 2004, or possibly even ten years earlier. He's
> the Spirit of Endless September...

You two would be comrades making baby kooks if you could.


>
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Hail Eris! TM#5; COOSN-029-06-71069
> Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition
>
> VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
> MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>
>
> "No effort at all c*cksucking you, b1tch." -- At last, the Monkey-man
> comes out of the closet, in MID: <aXkth.3535$QE6.1902@trnddc02>
>
> http://www6.kingdomofloathing.com/login.php
>
> "This is a sandwich made by a Spam Witch. You know why Spam Witches
> can't starve if they're at the beach? Because they can always eat the
> sand which is there." -- Spam Witch sammich, from The Kingdom of
> Loathing
>
> http://www.runescape.com/
> No one expects the Fannish Inquisition!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cabal_of_the_Holy_Pretzel/join
> Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet & Usenet Terrorist
> Pretzel
>
> "i have no need for sex; i'd rather tease you, honeybuns." -- Teh Mop
> Jockey doesn't know the meaning of "TMI". MID:
> <1253073.6W9sK7zyKL@unixd0rk.com>
>
> "What are marijuana tablets?"
>
> "When logic and proportion
> Have fallen softly dead
> And the White Knight is talking backwards
> And the Red Queen's 'off with her head!'
> Remember what the dormouse said:
> 'Feed your head
> Feed your head
> Feed your head'"
> -- "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane
>
> I own "James C Cracked is God!!!":
> MID: <1161060410.704020.285410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>
> "Chips on you dud, you got bugged for being near me, Viruses transmit
> that way you know." -- Blooey: Master of the Autoflame. Message-ID:
> <4556A926.6F259DC9@pharae.org>
>
> "The nonsense screeds you compose and post to usenet lack any kind of
> coherent and rational meaning whatsoever, and are composed of random
> bits and pieces stolen from mythology, science fiction, religion, comic
> books, etc., placed into a blender, and the switch turned to the highest
> setting.
> About every other screed has droppings of death threats, racial
> bigotry, laughably false prophesies of gloom and doom, and inane
> attempts to extort money. These bland, meaningless, pulpy messes are
> then trowled into usenet; identical or nearly identical screeds are
> repeated ad nauseum." -- Art Deco had to clean up bits of Warhol for
> days after using the Hammer on him
>
> "Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a
> light bulb?
> A: None. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision
> to stick with that light bulb. People who say that it is burned out are
> giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness." -- Anon.
>
> "Outlaw amateur assassins!" -- Chiun
>
> "Property is theft."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is liberty."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
> "Property is impossible."
>      -- P. J. Proudhon
>
> "Etymology:
> Argumentum ad Septicus : argument to putrefaction. Derived from Septicum
> Argumentum : putrefaction of argument.
>
> "Septic \Sep"tic\, Septical \Sep"tic*al\
>        a. [L. septicus to make putrid: cf. F. septique.]
>           Having power to promote putrefaction. Of or relating to or
>           caused by putrefaction." -- Kadaitcha Man, indirectly to
> Donald "Skeptic"/"Septic" Alford, in MID: <a3svh.djj.19.1@news.alt.net>
>
> "I never fail to be amazing" -- Looney Maroon for September 2006 nominee
> William Barwell's ego knows no bounds. MID:
> 12ggt3q3uti3t52@corp.supernews.com
>
> "Red meat won't hurt you. Fuzzy, blue-green meat will."
>                     -- Zog the etc., in alt.discordia (correct
>                        as needed)
>
> "may you live to whatever age you'd like to." -- Dave Hillstrom,
> in alt.discordia
>
> "We are most nearly ourselves when we achieve the seriousness of the
> child at play." -- Heraclitus
>
> "And thats another mistake on your part. Your 'playing' games on usenet,
> and I'm not playing...It has nothing to do with impressing you, it has
> more to do with making sure you have the education you'll need to debate.
> The debate is no fun for me if you are mentally incapable of it. I'm
> giving you an opportunity to educate yourself. That's all." -- A trashy
> former virus-writer turned Outer Filth doesn't know if he's playing or
> working, in MID: <1159389579.179851.33970@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
>
> "I am incapable of original thoughts" -- Ctrl�/Alt�/Del� has an honest
> moment, in MID: <0h59i25ejlthqeeitdp0hlk4kvo1ejpkt9@4ax.com>
>
> "But now the end is near. Now Mark Foley comes along and is making
> almost all liberal dreams come true and seriously, I'm sorry for it.
> See, I believe in karma. I believe what comes around goes around and I
> know full well that it's just bad juju to wish such a level of turmoil
> and ill upon other humans, warmongering gay-hating maladroits or no, and
> that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
> progress and white-hot love and turning the other cheek and scotch.
>
> "In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
> it off already with the warmongering and the hating of each other and
> let's all get some wine and party like it's 2012." Then again, he never
> saw Karl Rove stab the nation with the dull ice pick of bogus fear. He
> never heard George W. Bush describe brutal war and the death of tens of
> thousands as "just a comma" in world history.
>
> "Check that. Maybe I'm not so sorry after all." -- Mark Morford,
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/10/11/
> notes101106.DTL&nl=fix
> http://tinyurl.com/kusmr 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:23:29 AM
> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.


"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> You could also be the snuh turd.

  What's the problem? Cleft Palette?


0
2/7/2007 10:41:00 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:l_hyh.20947$Un.4333@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> It shows now, you are a kook and Vista is great.
>
>  Whatever...

You are still a piss off?

>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:42:18 AM
"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote
> Oh, now Ying's gone crazy again. BTW, Ying: MP, KM, and PJR are _my_
> socks.

 I have never had a need or desire to name my socks.  But I have little
doubt that many LinTurds name their nose gobblins as well as their socks.





0
2/7/2007 10:42:28 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> It shows now, you are a kook and Vista is great.

  Whatever...


0
2/7/2007 10:43:23 AM
"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote
> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.

Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.


0
2/7/2007 10:44:39 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Do you now sit by shit holes for views?

  Isn't that what Linux is used for?  Running Toilet cams?



0
2/7/2007 10:45:30 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Do you like to microwave yourself so that others can't figure you look
like
> a baked potato from birth?

  How many times have I told you pervs.  Stay away from my Windows.  The
Vista revealed is not for the eyes of inferiors like you.


0
2/7/2007 10:46:49 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:uZhyh.20946$Un.11966@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote
>> Oh, now Ying's gone crazy again. BTW, Ying: MP, KM, and PJR are _my_
>> socks.
>
> I have never had a need or desire to name my socks.  But I have little

You have a compulsion to warp every part of you into a separate asshole.

> doubt that many LinTurds name their nose gobblins as well as their socks.
>
>
>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:47:38 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> You are still a piss off?

  I don't respect you enough to care.




0
2/7/2007 10:50:35 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:x%hyh.10632$4Q2.2102@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn> wrote
>> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.
>
> Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.

Can you make something like that?

>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:53:02 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:k0iyh.10633$4Q2.8780@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Do you now sit by shit holes for views?
>
>  Isn't that what Linux is used for?  Running Toilet cams?

And you had to sit through that smell about 10 hours a day?

>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:54:17 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:z1iyh.10634$4Q2.9522@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Do you like to microwave yourself so that others can't figure you look
> like
>> a baked potato from birth?
>
>  How many times have I told you pervs.

Does it count when you 'told' using a different posting account?

>Stay away from my Windows.  The
> Vista revealed is not for the eyes of inferiors like you.

That's like a frogger klaiming the sky is only a dish size while viewing 
from bottom of a dead well.


>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 10:58:15 AM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> You have a compulsion to warp every part of you into a separate asshole.

  You know, you can't eat your own dung forever B4.  Sooner or later you are
going to have to come up for air, and some fruit.





0
2/7/2007 11:04:32 AM
> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >  Isn't that what Linux is used for?  Running Toilet cams?


"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> And you had to sit through that smell about 10 hours a day?

  No biggie.  It's the exact same smell that comes from every LinTurd's
mouth.



0
2/7/2007 11:05:49 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:55iyh.10635$4Q2.10438@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> You are still a piss off?
>
>  I don't respect you enough to care.

If you had respect for yourself, you wouldn't spawn crapfest midgets for 
pastime.

>
>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:05:52 AM
> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.


"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
> Can you make something like that?

  Yes, I can make things really bad. But it takes a special talent to make
them as bad as Linux.



0
2/7/2007 11:08:39 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:42:28 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" wrote
>> Oh, now Ying's gone crazy again. BTW, Ying: MP, KM, and PJR are _my_
>> socks.
> 
>  I have never had a need or desire to name my socks.  But I have little
> doubt that many LinTurds name their nose gobblins as well as their socks.

Newbie too, eh?

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris!
Demon Prince of Absurdity; COOSN-029-06-71069

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
> 
> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
> argument.

"You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>

At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0

"And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
<cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>

The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" 
He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks

Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
"You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
cop posing as an underage person online?
I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
public.
They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
meet the person, etc.
Lost control, didn't you?
Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
<H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
0
2/7/2007 11:10:29 AM
> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >  How many times have I told you pervs.

"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Does it count when you 'told' using a different posting account?

  Only one account.


> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >Stay away from my Windows.  The
> > Vista revealed is not for the eyes of inferiors like you.

"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> That's like a frogger klaiming the sky is only a dish size while viewing
> from bottom of a dead well.

  You need to sober up.



0
2/7/2007 11:11:10 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:44:39 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" wrote
>> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.
> 
> Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.

Windows 95, 98, 98SE, and WinMe rather sucked, too. From 1999 to late
2004, that is.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris!
Demon Prince of Absurdity; COOSN-029-06-71069

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
> 
> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
> argument.

"You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>

At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0

"And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
<cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>

The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" 
He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks

Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
"You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
cop posing as an underage person online?
I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
public.
They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
meet the person, etc.
Lost control, didn't you?
Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
<H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
0
2/7/2007 11:12:39 AM
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
news:nqvgs25vjkv5u69snb7uuiavdqffbrqjrb@4ax.com: 

> 
> I'm a software developer using DotNet but I'm always an underdog
> rooter, AMD over Intel, etc. Naturally, like the OP, I've tried Linux.
> And, like the OP, put it away. Several times. For all that Windows
> drives me nuts sometimes, Linux does the same. And the OP description
> of a development environment on Linux had me actually laughing.
> 
Don't give up on it completely, try again in six months or so. I first 
tried Linux in about 1998, debian stable at the time.  I didn't have a 
clue what to do on the command line.  I eventually got X11 installed and 
working, but then I couldn't find software to do what I wanted, so I 
binned it and went back to windows.

Over the next four years, I tried linux every six months or so (usually 
when I did my bi-annual windows reinstall) and I slowly came to 
appreciate it.  Then I had need of a headless server (to serve a scsi 
scanner across a network) so I set up an old machine with Linux, command 
line only, and learnt a ton of stuff.

Not long after that, I bought a new desktop machine, so I kept the old 
one around to play with different Linux distros, after a while I realised 
that I was using the old machine more than the shiny new one, so I 
started looking at what I actually did on each.  Turned out that the few 
things I was doing on the new machine could be done in Linux, so I 
ditched windows and have been Linux only at home since. (note I still use 
XP here at work).

> Like most folks reading these newsgroups, I'm the first person that
> people in my extended family call for computer assistance. The thought
> of trying to talk them through fixing a Linux problem is a scary one.

I found that using Linux was the perfect excuse for not having to solve 
computer problems for my family.  "your windows is running slow?  Sorry, 
I don't use windows, have you tried reinstalling?".
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/7/2007 11:13:07 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:41:00 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>> "VistaEra" wrote
>> >  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.
> 
> "SameAsB4" wrote
>> You could also be the snuh turd.
> 
>   What's the problem? Cleft Palette?

That'd be a big problem for a painter.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris!
Demon Prince of Absurdity; COOSN-029-06-71069

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
> 
> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
> argument.

"You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>

At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0

"And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
<cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>

The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" 
He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks

Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
"You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
cop posing as an underage person online?
I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
public.
They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
meet the person, etc.
Lost control, didn't you?
Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
<H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
0
2/7/2007 11:20:59 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:aiiyh.20949$Un.9714@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> You have a compulsion to warp every part of you into a separate asshole.
>
>  You know, you can't eat your own dung forever B4.  Sooner or later you 
> are
> going to have to come up for air, and some fruit.

Because you could actually eat your own dung, does that make you not an 
airhead and fruitcake?

>
>
>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:23:39 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:njiyh.20950$Un.20926@read2.cgocable.net...
>
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >  Isn't that what Linux is used for?  Running Toilet cams?
>
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> And you had to sit through that smell about 10 hours a day?
>
>  No biggie.  It's the exact same smell that comes from every LinTurd's
> mouth.

How long did it take you getting used to your smokers dragan breath?

>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:26:39 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1miyh.20951$Un.4912@read2.cgocable.net...
>
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.
>
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
>> Can you make something like that?
>
>  Yes, I can make things really bad. But it takes a special talent to make
> them as bad as Linux.

Why is that you could break more than you could fix? Besides It explains why 
you were trying very hard to market something nobody wants.


>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:31:32 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:ooiyh.20952$Un.1069@read2.cgocable.net...
>
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >  How many times have I told you pervs.
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Does it count when you 'told' using a different posting account?
>
>  Only one account.

It's hard to believe that you are one c*nt!

>
>
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >Stay away from my Windows.  The
>> > Vista revealed is not for the eyes of inferiors like you.
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> That's like a frogger klaiming the sky is only a dish size while viewing
>> from bottom of a dead well.
>
>  You need to sober up.
>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:33:23 AM
"Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition" <inquisition@smof.org> wrote in 
message news:pan.2007.02.07.11.10.26.104360@smof.org...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:42:28 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
> and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" wrote
>>> Oh, now Ying's gone crazy again. BTW, Ying: MP, KM, and PJR are _my_
>>> socks.
>>
>>  I have never had a need or desire to name my socks.  But I have little
>> doubt that many LinTurds name their nose gobblins as well as their socks.
>
> Newbie too, eh?

You in fact is him, noobie.

>
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Hail Eris!
> Demon Prince of Absurdity; COOSN-029-06-71069
>
> VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
> MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>
>
>>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
>>
>> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
>> argument.
>
> "You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
> gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
> things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>
>
> At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0
>
> "And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
> wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
> private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
> she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
> <cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
>
> The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
> have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?"
> He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks
>
> Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
> "You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
> only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
> cop posing as an underage person online?
> I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
> Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
> awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
> public.
> They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
> underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
> males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
> themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
> not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
> Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
> about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
> where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
> towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
> meet the person, etc.
> Lost control, didn't you?
> Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
> of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
> they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
> gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
> are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
> almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
> <H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:35:38 AM
"Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition" <inquisition@smof.org> wrote in 
message news:pan.2007.02.07.11.12.36.963793@smof.org...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:44:39 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
> and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" wrote
>>> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.
>>
>> Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.
>
> Windows 95, 98, 98SE, and WinMe rather sucked, too. From 1999 to late
> 2004, that is.

From 1999 to 2004, there has alway been a better choice of Windows.

>
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Hail Eris!
> Demon Prince of Absurdity; COOSN-029-06-71069
>
> VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
> MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>
>
>>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
>>
>> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
>> argument.
>
> "You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
> gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
> things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>
>
> At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0
>
> "And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
> wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
> private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
> she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
> <cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
>
> The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
> have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?"
> He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks
>
> Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
> "You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
> only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
> cop posing as an underage person online?
> I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
> Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
> awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
> public.
> They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
> underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
> males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
> themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
> not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
> Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
> about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
> where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
> towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
> meet the person, etc.
> Lost control, didn't you?
> Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
> of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
> they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
> gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
> are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
> almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
> <H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:38:12 AM
"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message 
news:Xns98D0721FB7BD0usenetjhartathcx@195.8.68.222...
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:nqvgs25vjkv5u69snb7uuiavdqffbrqjrb@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> I'm a software developer using DotNet but I'm always an underdog
>> rooter, AMD over Intel, etc. Naturally, like the OP, I've tried Linux.
>> And, like the OP, put it away. Several times. For all that Windows
>> drives me nuts sometimes, Linux does the same. And the OP description
>> of a development environment on Linux had me actually laughing.
>>
> Don't give up on it completely, try again in six months or so. I first
> tried Linux in about 1998, debian stable at the time.  I didn't have a
> clue what to do on the command line.  I eventually got X11 installed and
> working, but then I couldn't find software to do what I wanted, so I
> binned it and went back to windows.
>
> Over the next four years, I tried linux every six months or so (usually
> when I did my bi-annual windows reinstall) and I slowly came to
> appreciate it.  Then I had need of a headless server (to serve a scsi
> scanner across a network) so I set up an old machine with Linux, command
> line only, and learnt a ton of stuff.
>
> Not long after that, I bought a new desktop machine, so I kept the old
> one around to play with different Linux distros, after a while I realised
> that I was using the old machine more than the shiny new one, so I
> started looking at what I actually did on each.  Turned out that the few
> things I was doing on the new machine could be done in Linux, so I
> ditched windows and have been Linux only at home since. (note I still use
> XP here at work).
>
>> Like most folks reading these newsgroups, I'm the first person that
>> people in my extended family call for computer assistance. The thought
>> of trying to talk them through fixing a Linux problem is a scary one.
>
> I found that using Linux was the perfect excuse for not having to solve
> computer problems for my family.  "your windows is running slow?  Sorry,
> I don't use windows, have you tried reinstalling?".

Do you also send your family to Iragi execution farm and kick them in the 
stool?


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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:43:23 AM
"Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition" <inquisition@smof.org> wrote in 
message news:pan.2007.02.07.11.20.56.549967@smof.org...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:41:00 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
> and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>>> "VistaEra" wrote
>>> >  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.
>>
>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>> You could also be the snuh turd.
>>
>>   What's the problem? Cleft Palette?
>
> That'd be a big problem for a painter.

You shit-painters require no palette but a dung warmer.

>
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Hail Eris!
> Demon Prince of Absurdity; COOSN-029-06-71069
>
> VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
> MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>
>
>>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
>>
>> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
>> argument.
>
> "You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
> gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
> things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>
>
> At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0
>
> "And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
> wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
> private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
> she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
> <cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
>
> The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
> have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?"
> He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks
>
> Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
> "You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
> only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
> cop posing as an underage person online?
> I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
> Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
> awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
> public.
> They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
> underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
> males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
> themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
> not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
> Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
> about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
> where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
> towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
> meet the person, etc.
> Lost control, didn't you?
> Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
> of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
> they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
> gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
> are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
> almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
> <H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 11:51:26 AM
VistaEra wrote:
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>> I'm sorry? Like I said, with the exception of not having the root
>> password, the thing worked. I think I'd know if it wasn't detecting
>> my network setup!
>
>  It did?  An install that gives me 4 duplicate icons for my CD drive,
> some of which are mapped to the HD by the way, 2 duplicates for the
> DVD player, and 2 for the HD (which has only one data partition) is
> what you fucking dung eaters consider working?
>

Actually I'm posting to this thread from the Windows Vista NG.
But yes, it worked. No duplicate icons, and I could get on the Net just 
fine, no configuring needed.

Course, as soon as I replaced the HD I reinstalled Windows 2000, but 
that's because it runs all my shit.

>
>  Ahahahahahahaha... Now we see why LinTurds claim to have installed
> their Shit Stick OS without difficulty, because what they claim is a
> working OS is actually a critically broken OS.
>

Bit like most flavours of Windows then... 2000 is the only one I haven't 
had to reinstall every three months or less.

-- 
-- 
* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk 


0
2/7/2007 12:40:09 PM
VistaEra wrote:
> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn>
> wrote
>> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.
>
> Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.

So was 3.1, 95, 98, ME and XP.

-- 
-- 
* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk 


0
2/7/2007 12:40:37 PM
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:52tvl6F1q8mmeU1@mid.individual.net...
> VistaEra wrote:
>> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>>> I'm sorry? Like I said, with the exception of not having the root
>>> password, the thing worked. I think I'd know if it wasn't detecting
>>> my network setup!
>>
>>  It did?  An install that gives me 4 duplicate icons for my CD drive,
>> some of which are mapped to the HD by the way, 2 duplicates for the
>> DVD player, and 2 for the HD (which has only one data partition) is
>> what you fucking dung eaters consider working?
>>
>
> Actually I'm posting to this thread from the Windows Vista NG.
> But yes, it worked. No duplicate icons, and I could get on the Net just 
> fine, no configuring needed.
>
> Course, as soon as I replaced the HD I reinstalled Windows 2000, but 
> that's because it runs all my shit.

Still the same kook.

>
>>
>>  Ahahahahahahaha... Now we see why LinTurds claim to have installed
>> their Shit Stick OS without difficulty, because what they claim is a
>> working OS is actually a critically broken OS.
>>
>
> Bit like most flavours of Windows then... 2000 is the only one I haven't 
> had to reinstall every three months or less.
>
> -- 
> -- 
> * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
> to expect the worst.
>
> Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
> Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 12:43:55 PM
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:52tvm2F1p0kgvU1@mid.individual.net...
> VistaEra wrote:
>> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn>
>> wrote
>>> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.
>>
>> Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.
>
> So was 3.1, 95, 98, ME and XP.

What was better than XP at the time?

>
> -- 
> -- 
> * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
> to expect the worst.
>
> Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
> Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/7/2007 12:44:33 PM
Due to the clearing effect of the killfile
I was able to see EvilBill say:

> Actually I'm posting to this thread from the Windows Vista NG.
> But yes, it worked. No duplicate icons, and I could get on the Net just
> fine, no configuring needed.

Hmm. My server doesn't seem to be carrying the vista group. I can get
windows-xp okay, but no vista...

-- 
Tim Fairchild - Queensland Australia
Mandriva Linux release 2007.0 (Official) for x86_64
Linux 2.6.20 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ GNU/Linux
NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  1.0-9746  

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usenet52 (1282)
2/7/2007 1:22:19 PM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:13:07 +0000, Jamie Hart <usenet@jhart.ath.cx>
wrote:

>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>news:nqvgs25vjkv5u69snb7uuiavdqffbrqjrb@4ax.com: 
>
>> 
>> I'm a software developer using DotNet but I'm always an underdog
>> rooter, AMD over Intel, etc. Naturally, like the OP, I've tried Linux.
>> And, like the OP, put it away. Several times. For all that Windows
>> drives me nuts sometimes, Linux does the same. And the OP description
>> of a development environment on Linux had me actually laughing.
>> 
>Don't give up on it completely, try again in six months or so. I first 
>tried Linux in about 1998, debian stable at the time.  I didn't have a 
>clue what to do on the command line.  I eventually got X11 installed and 
>working, but then I couldn't find software to do what I wanted, so I 
>binned it and went back to windows.
>

Except that I'm a software developer, and I use Visual Basic. That is
considered insulting to many "real" developers in Microsoft Land where
real developers only use C++ or now C#. Of course, I'm far more
productive but who cares about that, C pays more. In Linux land, it's
even worse.

I was intrigued by the OP talking about RealBasic until the problems
were mentioned. Frankly, I have enough of a learning curve with
Microsoft. Until someone over on the Linux side actually has a decent
substitute for VB, there are an awful lot of developers who won't
touch Linux.

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dgk (31)
2/7/2007 2:44:37 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in
news:m93kl.1op.19.1@news.alt.net: 

>
>> I found that using Linux was the perfect excuse for not having to
>> solve computer problems for my family.  "your windows is running
>> slow?  Sorry, I don't use windows, have you tried reinstalling?".
> 
> Do you also send your family to Iragi execution farm and kick them in
> the stool?
> 
No.  I was tempted to while they were bugging me with windows problems but 
now we get on much better.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/7/2007 3:11:19 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:33:52 -0500
<IHbyh.20267$Un.7088@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> You are on the way to destruction.
>
>   Come get some.
>

You have zero clue here, don't you?  It's not 2101, you know.

Main brain turn on, already.  I've got signal.

You have no chance to survive make your time.

Please, move 'zig'.  (It's in the way of my fourbanger.)

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
New Technology?  Not There.  No Thanks.

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 3:13:42 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in news:m977a.elm.19.1
@news.alt.net:

> 
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:52tvm2F1p0kgvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> VistaEra wrote:
>>> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn>
>>> wrote
>>>> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.
>>>
>>> Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.
>>
>> So was 3.1, 95, 98, ME and XP.
> 
> What was better than XP at the time?
> 
2K
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/7/2007 3:35:52 PM
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:62pjs21jrb8vqkd9m4qo9f9kvjag7cpjhc@
4ax.com:

> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:13:07 +0000, Jamie Hart <usenet@jhart.ath.cx>
> wrote:
> 
>>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>>news:nqvgs25vjkv5u69snb7uuiavdqffbrqjrb@4ax.com: 
>>
>>> 
>>> I'm a software developer using DotNet but I'm always an underdog
>>> rooter, AMD over Intel, etc. Naturally, like the OP, I've tried 
Linux.
>>> And, like the OP, put it away. Several times. For all that Windows
>>> drives me nuts sometimes, Linux does the same. And the OP description
>>> of a development environment on Linux had me actually laughing.
>>> 
>>Don't give up on it completely, try again in six months or so. I first 
>>tried Linux in about 1998, debian stable at the time.  I didn't have a 
>>clue what to do on the command line.  I eventually got X11 installed 
and 
>>working, but then I couldn't find software to do what I wanted, so I 
>>binned it and went back to windows.
>>
> 
> Except that I'm a software developer, and I use Visual Basic.

Phew, glad you didn't call yourself a programmer :)

> That is
> considered insulting to many "real" developers in Microsoft Land where
> real developers only use C++ or now C#. Of course, I'm far more
> productive but who cares about that, C pays more. In Linux land, it's
> even worse.
> 
Pascal has always been my favourite language, I've worked with everything 
from Fortran to c++, but I prefer pascal. Delphi here on windows and 
freepascal+lazarus on linux.

> I was intrigued by the OP talking about RealBasic until the problems
> were mentioned. Frankly, I have enough of a learning curve with
> Microsoft. Until someone over on the Linux side actually has a decent
> substitute for VB, there are an awful lot of developers who won't
> touch Linux.
> 
The problem is, the only people who want a decent basic on linux are 
people who program in basic.  I've known a few projects that were started 
by basic programmers, they quickly found that they coudn't write a 
compiler in basic.  Some of them gave up, others pressed on and learnt C 
or C++.  By the time they knew enough to write the compiler, they no 
longer wanted one.

Anyway, if you're still interested google for KBasic, or if you like 
VB.Net, take a look at mono.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/7/2007 3:51:54 PM
SameAsB4 wrote:
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:52tvm2F1p0kgvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> VistaEra wrote:
>>> "The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corn>
>>> wrote
>>>> Suffered through 5+ years of Windows first. Ain't never going back.
>>>
>>> Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.
>>
>> So was 3.1, 95, 98, ME and XP.
>
> What was better than XP at the time?
>

Windows 2000. ;)

-- 
-- 
* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk


0
2/7/2007 4:14:13 PM
Tim Fairchild wrote:
> Due to the clearing effect of the killfile
> I was able to see EvilBill say:
>
>> Actually I'm posting to this thread from the Windows Vista NG.
>> But yes, it worked. No duplicate icons, and I could get on the Net
>> just fine, no configuring needed.
>
> Hmm. My server doesn't seem to be carrying the vista group. I can get
> windows-xp okay, but no vista...

Mine only started carrying it a couple of weeks ago, guess it's still 
propagating.

-- 
-- 
* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk 


0
2/7/2007 4:15:11 PM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<EH8yh.19283$Un.7669@read2.cgocable.net>:

>
>"Jim" <james@the-computer-shop.co.uk> wrote
>> I don't know if it's documented (I don't need no steenking 
manuals!), but
>to
>> use a root command in Knoppix live mode you first have to set a root
>> password by going into the root shell (K->KNOPPIX->Root Shell) and 
type
>> "passwd", where you will be prompted for a new root password. Then 
again
>to
>> confirm it. This done, you may now execute system-level shell 
commands and
>> applications such as QTParted, KNX-HDInstall, etc.
>
>It asked for and received an admin password when it istalled.
>
>Welcome to Debian at box.
>
>Enter userID          <entered>
>Enter password     <entered>
>
>Response
>
>"root logins are not allowed."
>
Really? That seems odd...but since you're a 5k1ll3d |-|4><0r that 
should be *no* problem right?
:)


>Oh ya, Linux is going to take the world by storm it is.
>

Its got a learning curve that winnows out the "less intellectually 
fortunate" thats for sure :)


>15 years in development you cock sucking morons can't even manage to 
get the
>OS logon working properly.
>
>Shit Sucking Linux Dung Eaters....
>
>
Too bad you dont know what sudo is for in bash :)

Try 'man sudo' for klewage.
FYI
HTH

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/7/2007 4:19:26 PM
of the Snarks of AErisia <Queen> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<pan.2007.02.07.11.20.56.549967@smof.org>:

>On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:41:00 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee 
Chaire,
>and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>>> "VistaEra" wrote
>>> >  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.
>> 
>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>> You could also be the snuh turd.
>> 
>>   What's the problem? Cleft Palette?
>
>That'd be a big problem for a painter.
>
<snarf>

There outta be a way to mod these posts up as "funny"....


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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/7/2007 4:21:53 PM
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> I was intrigued by the OP talking about RealBasic until the problems
> were mentioned. Frankly, I have enough of a learning curve with
> Microsoft. Until someone over on the Linux side actually has a decent
> substitute for VB, there are an awful lot of developers who won't
> touch Linux.

  You aren't going to find any viable replacements.  Visual Studio is light
years ahead of anything you can find for the LinTurd OS.  Unless you go
Java.  And then it's still very much inferior to DotNet.

  VB is by far the best programming environment ever created.  I don't have
the ability to turn off integer overflow checking, so that proper modulo
arithmetic can be performed, but that is my only real lament.


0
2/7/2007 6:46:51 PM
"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
news:Xns98D0A163ADED8usenetjhartathcx@195.8.68.209...
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:62pjs21jrb8vqkd9m4qo9f9kvjag7cpjhc@

> > Except that I'm a software developer, and I use Visual Basic.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Phew, glad you didn't call yourself a programmer :)

  VB is pretty much a perfect language.


0
2/7/2007 6:48:00 PM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote>
>You have no chance to survive make your time.

If any of you primates even THINKS about touching me....

Snicker....


0
2/7/2007 6:51:01 PM
VistaSheep barfed up this disgusting mess:

> 
>   You aren't going to find any viable replacements.

Did COGECO slap you for abusing Usenet last night?

You remember, when you violated TOS about forty times by posting multiple 
binaries to multiple text groups.
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writer (25)
2/7/2007 6:52:07 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Because you could actually eat your own dung, does that make you not an
> airhead and fruitcake?

  Close your mouth B4, you are attracting flies.


0
2/7/2007 6:52:21 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> If you had respect for yourself, you wouldn't spawn crapfest midgets for
> pastime.

   Projecting again?   I simply have no respect for Dung Eating LinTurds.



0
2/7/2007 6:53:43 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> How long did it take you getting used to your smokers dragan breath?

  Sorry, don't smoke or drink.  Never have.

  You are the epitomy of failure B4.


0
2/7/2007 6:55:03 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Why is that you could break more than you could fix?

Why is it that Linux is incapable of installing itself?



0
2/7/2007 6:55:59 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> What was better than XP at the time?

Windows 2000 appears to be better.  XP is more like SE, but with improved
graphics.



0
2/7/2007 6:57:40 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:51:01 -0500
<u7pyh.22346$Un.12029@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote>
>>You have no chance to survive make your time.
>
> If any of you primates even THINKS about touching me....
>
> Snicker....
>

I was thinking about something else entirely.  But just
in case the horribly stilted Engrish and the very strange
phrasing didn't give it away, perhaps the following will
enlighten you.  Or not.

http://allyourbase.planettribes.gamespy.com/video1.shtml

We now return you to your regularly scheduled LinuxPraise(tm)
and VistaBashing(tm).

-- 
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Linux.  An OS which actually, unlike certain other offerings, works.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 7:17:03 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:48:00 -0500
<F4pyh.10651$4Q2.309@read1.cgocable.net>:
>
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> news:Xns98D0A163ADED8usenetjhartathcx@195.8.68.209...
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:62pjs21jrb8vqkd9m4qo9f9kvjag7cpjhc@
>
>> > Except that I'm a software developer, and I use Visual Basic.
>
>
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
>> Phew, glad you didn't call yourself a programmer :)
>
>   VB is pretty much a perfect language.
>

OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
software language?

Be specific.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 7:18:07 PM
> >   You aren't going to find any viable replacements.

"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Did COGECO slap you for abusing Usenet last night?

  They don't hear the whines of LinTurd Shit Lickers.


0
2/7/2007 7:27:02 PM
> VistaEra wrote:
> > Ya, Windows 1.0 was really bad.

"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message
> So was 3.1, 95, 98, ME and XP.

  Linux is about at ti W95 level today.  Pity that the OS is incapable of
installing itself.



0
2/7/2007 7:29:00 PM
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Actually I'm posting to this thread from the Windows Vista NG.
> But yes, it worked. No duplicate icons, and I could get on the Net just
> fine, no configuring needed.

  Amazing how Windows just works.

> Course, as soon as I replaced the HD I reinstalled Windows 2000, but
> that's because it runs all my shit.

  Only good reviews for Vista.

  Only stinky shit breath from the LinTurds.


0
2/7/2007 7:30:56 PM
VistaSheep barfed up this disgusting mess:

>> Did COGECO slap you for abusing Usenet last night?
> 
>   They don't hear the whines of WinTurd Shit Lickers.

Maybe nobody complained.  Yet.
0
writer (25)
2/7/2007 7:33:07 PM
"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
> Really? That seems odd...but since you're a 5k1ll3d |-|4><0r that
> should be *no* problem right?

  It's impossible to say since many of your words aren't words.


"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
> Its got a learning curve that winnows out the "less intellectually
> fortunate" thats for sure :)

  Some of us are smart enough to know LinTurd Dung when we see it, and not
put it in our mouthes.



> >15 years in development you cock sucking morons can't even manage to get
the
> >OS logon working properly.
> >
> >Shit Sucking Linux Dung Eaters....


"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
> Too bad you dont know what sudo is for in bash :)

  Only a complete moron would care to.



0
2/7/2007 7:38:05 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> It's hard to believe that you are one c*nt!

Please leave my cunt out of this.


0
2/7/2007 7:40:44 PM
In article <8cpyh.22381$Un.19758@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Why is that you could break more than you could fix?
>
>Why is it that Linux is incapable of installing itself?

People with limited technical expertise, such as most of those
on desktop systems like Windows (and MacOS and Linux desktops,
etc) buy systems with the OS preinstalled. The common problem
faced by Windows and Linux is that it targets a large and somewhat
uncontrolled set of hardware. I have had problems finding the
correct drivers in both windows and linux installations.
Apple builds both hardware and software, so it doesn't have this issue.



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pack9 (88)
2/7/2007 7:53:38 PM
VistaEra wrote:
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> Actually I'm posting to this thread from the Windows Vista NG.
>> But yes, it worked. No duplicate icons, and I could get on the Net
>> just fine, no configuring needed.
>
>  Amazing how Windows just works.
>
>> Course, as soon as I replaced the HD I reinstalled Windows 2000, but
>> that's because it runs all my shit.
>
>  Only good reviews for Vista.
>

I dunno, I couldn't even get Vista to install on this system. Exceeds 
all the rquirements, but where XP installs without a hitch, Vista won't 
even detect my DVD drive and refuses to install without a driver... why 
can't it just install a generic DVD driver? That's what 95/98/2000/XP 
would do...

-- 
-- 
* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk 


0
2/7/2007 8:00:43 PM
In article <fFpyh.10655$4Q2.249@read1.cgocable.net>, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >   You aren't going to find any viable replacements.
> 
> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> > Did COGECO slap you for abusing Usenet last night?
> 
>   They don't hear the whines of LinTurd Shit Lickers.

Or it's possible that their WinBlows servers dumped the complaints?
> 
>

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 ---
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"effortlessly" sucking his cock yet?" o_O
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0
2/7/2007 8:14:10 PM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

> 
>   Linux is about at ti W95 level today.

Shouldn't you be downloading patches, or something?
0
writer (25)
2/7/2007 8:18:12 PM
malscribe wrote:
> VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:
>
>>
>>   Linux is about at ti W95 level today.
>
> Shouldn't you be downloading patches, or something?

Yeah. ...and compiling them, then re-linking the kernel, etc.
Linux made you stupid. 



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Bughumper (10)
2/7/2007 8:34:13 PM
> >   Linux is about at ti W95 level today.


"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Shouldn't you be downloading patches, or something?

 I'm sitting her laughing my ass off at you LinTards who are unable to
fathom why Knoppix installed a half dozen duplicate CD ROM icons to the
desktop and won't allow them to be removed.   Why some refer to the HD, and
others to the DVD.

Ahhhhh Quality LinTurd Software.  Everything is going according to plan...


0
2/7/2007 8:35:33 PM
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> I dunno, I couldn't even get Vista to install on this system. Exceeds
> all the rquirements, but where XP installs without a hitch, Vista won't
> even detect my DVD drive and refuses to install without a driver... why
> can't it just install a generic DVD driver? That's what 95/98/2000/XP
> would do...

  Once there is confirmation of your problem, I'll believe it.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2090587,00.asp


0
2/7/2007 8:37:19 PM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

>> Shouldn't you be downloading patches, or something?
> 
>  I'm sitting her laughing my ass

Why, don't you know HOW to download patches?
0
writer (25)
2/7/2007 8:42:44 PM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> People with limited technical expertise, such as most of those
> on desktop systems like Windows (and MacOS and Linux desktops,
> etc) buy systems with the OS preinstalled. The common problem
> faced by Windows and Linux is that it targets a large and somewhat
> uncontrolled set of hardware. I have had problems finding the
> correct drivers in both windows and linux installations.
> Apple builds both hardware and software, so it doesn't have this issue.

  Excellent synopsys Daniel.  Right on the money.  It's not often that one
finds logic and reason in this newsgroup, outside of my posts of course.



0
2/7/2007 8:42:58 PM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Maybe nobody complained.  Yet.

  Too busy coping with a LinTurd DOS attack.


0
2/7/2007 8:47:22 PM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

> 
>   Once there is confirmation of your problem, I'll believe it.
> 
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,20905187,00.asp

Can't you even copy-n-paste a URL properly, technotard?
0
writer (25)
2/7/2007 8:47:27 PM
"Max Grrl" <maxtheangel@gmail.com> wrote
> Or it's possible that their WinBlows servers dumped the complaints?

  Ah, another conspiracy from the Mac user..

  Don't fret Max Grrl, I harbor no ill will toward Mac's.  They actually
work, and work well from what I'm told.

  Meanwhile the LinTard OS can't even manage to install itself on virtually
any PC.

  Pathetic.





0
2/7/2007 8:50:21 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jamie Hart <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote:
> Not long after that, I bought a new desktop machine, so I kept the old 
> one around to play with different Linux distros, after a while I realised 
> that I was using the old machine more than the shiny new one, so I 
> started looking at what I actually did on each.  Turned out that the few 
> things I was doing on the new machine could be done in Linux, so I 
> ditched windows and have been Linux only at home since. (note I still use 
> XP here at work).
 
Similar story here, though I've been a Unix user for many years,
so the transition to Linux was much more natural.  I've always had a
FreeBSD or Linux server around the house (and at various times even
a Solaris SPARCStation and a Novel Netware server), but stuck with
Windows for desktop work.  Over the years the Linux desktop matured
even as I found myself moving to exclusively working on Linux
consulting jobs.  Eventually I was using Linux as my desktop most
of the time with Windows only booted occasionally within a VMWare
session.  Now I've upgraded my Linux workstation and have not even
bothered to reinstall VMWare yet, so my desktop is completely MS
free.

> I found that using Linux was the perfect excuse for not having to solve 
> computer problems for my family.  "your windows is running slow?  Sorry, 
> I don't use windows, have you tried reinstalling?".

I went the opposite route unfortunately... gave out 'Family Helpdesk'
gift certificates as a humorous gift this last Christmas.  Of course
it only took a few weeks for my sister to redeem hers (her XP system
was became infected with malware).

Later,

Thad

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thad012 (1555)
2/7/2007 8:50:40 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
> 
> I was intrigued by the OP talking about RealBasic until the problems
> were mentioned. Frankly, I have enough of a learning curve with
> Microsoft. Until someone over on the Linux side actually has a decent
> substitute for VB, there are an awful lot of developers who won't
> touch Linux.
 
I don't know if I would call it a substitute, but for quickly building
GUIs, interfacing with DBs, and all that stuff that VB is good at,
Python seems the way to go on Linux.  Its also nicely cross platform,
so you can start to learn it on Windows and move your code around as
needed.  I've played with a bit and been impressed, but I am far from
an expert with it.

Later,

Thad

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thad012 (1555)
2/7/2007 8:57:25 PM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote in
> Why, don't you know HOW to download patches?

  Not possible on the Linux box since Knoppix has pooched the Network driver
setup and won't provide access to alter the settings.

  The install is 80% non-functional.

  Such is the quality of the LinTard OS.


0
2/7/2007 9:02:16 PM
> VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:
> >   Once there is confirmation of your problem, I'll believe it.
> >
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,20905187,00.asp

"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Can't you even copy-n-paste a URL properly, technotard?

I can and the URL works mighty fine here.

Must be yet another bug in your various web browsers.


0
2/7/2007 9:04:08 PM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

> 
> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote in
>> Why, don't you know HOW to download patches?
> 
>   Not possible

Translation: "Nope."
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writer (25)
2/7/2007 9:07:45 PM
VistaEra wrote:
> "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
>> I dunno, I couldn't even get Vista to install on this system. Exceeds
>> all the rquirements, but where XP installs without a hitch, Vista
>> won't even detect my DVD drive and refuses to install without a
>> driver... why can't it just install a generic DVD driver? That's
>> what 95/98/2000/XP would do...
>
>  Once there is confirmation of your problem, I'll believe it.
>

Well, admittedly it was the Beta.

-- 
-- 
* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk


0
2/7/2007 9:09:43 PM
VistaSheep barfed up this disgusting mess:

>> Can't you even copy-n-paste a URL properly, technotard?
> 
> I can

You forgot the apostrophe and the final 't'.

(You also just proved your stupidity once again.  Let's see how long it 
takes you to realize why.)
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writer (25)
2/7/2007 9:14:45 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  VB is by far the best programming environment ever created.  I don't have
> the ability to turn off integer overflow checking, so that proper modulo
> arithmetic can be performed, but that is my only real lament.

OK, the VB interface builder is nice, but the language itself sucks
rocks through a garden hose, at least if you are talking about anything
before VB.Net.  At least with VB.Net it finally has real object
oriented capabilities, 64 bit integers, etc... but it still carries
along a lot of baggage in its runtime, and I imagine a lot of old
time VB coders are not happy with the extent to which it broke
backwards compatibility.

Thad

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thad012 (1555)
2/7/2007 9:17:50 PM
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
> <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
>  wrote
> on Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:48:00 -0500
> <F4pyh.10651$4Q2.309@read1.cgocable.net>:
>>
>> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
>> news:Xns98D0A163ADED8usenetjhartathcx@195.8.68.209...
>>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>>> news:62pjs21jrb8vqkd9m4qo9f9kvjag7cpjhc@
>>
>>> > Except that I'm a software developer, and I use Visual Basic.
>>
>>
>> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
>>> Phew, glad you didn't call yourself a programmer :)
>>
>>   VB is pretty much a perfect language.
>>
> 
> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
> software language?
> 
> Be specific.
> 

The possibility that linux-sux /might/ be able to create a "hello world"
type app with it *if* he were 10 times smarter than he is
-- 
Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings.

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Peter.Koehlmann (13228)
2/7/2007 9:21:28 PM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
> software language?

It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of encapsulation,
defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually any computing application,
although since it performs integer overflow checks on after every integer
operation it is unfortunatlely slower than languages like C# which allow
operations to occurr which produce out of bounds results.

VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of "VB", the
"V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly produce a windowed
UI that is integral to the final program.

There is very little you can't do well in VB.



0
2/7/2007 9:25:17 PM
<thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote
> Python seems the way to go on Linux.  Its also nicely cross platform,
> so you can start to learn it on Windows and move your code around as
> needed.  I've played with a bit and been impressed, but I am far from
> an expert with it.

Python is absolutely horrible, and brain dead from the first concepts of the
language.

Run your program through a filter, or have some spaces removed by an editor
and the entire logical flow of the program is altered.

In Python Indentation takes the place of brackets.

It's a stupid idea, and only one that a fool would implement or use.



0
2/7/2007 9:27:39 PM
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >  VB is by far the best programming environment ever created.  I don't
have
> > the ability to turn off integer overflow checking, so that proper modulo
> > arithmetic can be performed, but that is my only real lament.


<thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote
> OK, the VB interface builder is nice, but the language itself sucks
> rocks through a garden hose, at least if you are talking about anything
> before VB.Net.

  VB.Net is an improvement.  Absolutely.  More consistant and a good set of
base types.


<thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote
> At least with VB.Net it finally has real object oriented capabilities, 64
bit integers, etc...

  Hell C++ doesn't have "real" object oriented capability either.  Duh.


<thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote
> I imagine a lot of old
> time VB coders are not happy with the extent to which it broke
> backwards compatibility.

  They aren't.  Some refuse to change because they have a large code base
that they would rather not convert.

  Nevertheless, VB is an excellent language and development environment.
Probably the best ever created.



0
2/7/2007 10:11:38 PM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote in
> Why, don't you know HOW to download patches?

  Not possible on the Linux box since Knoppix has pooched the Network driver
setup and won't provide access to alter the settings.

  The install is 80% non-functional.

  Such is the quality of the LinTard OS.


0
2/7/2007 10:12:20 PM
> VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:
> >   Once there is confirmation of your problem, I'll believe it.
> >
> > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,20905187,00.asp

"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Can't you even copy-n-paste a URL properly, technotard?

I can and the URL works mighty fine here.

Must be yet another bug in your various web browsers.


0
2/7/2007 10:13:04 PM
> >  Once there is confirmation of your problem, I'll believe it.


"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> Well, admittedly it was the Beta.

  Well there you go.....


0
2/7/2007 10:13:56 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:12:20 -0500
<q4syh.10678$4Q2.9035@read1.cgocable.net>:
>
> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote in
>> Why, don't you know HOW to download patches?
>
>   Not possible on the Linux box since Knoppix has pooched the Network driver
> setup and won't provide access to alter the settings.
>
>   The install is 80% non-functional.
>
>   Such is the quality of the LinTard OS.
>

80%?  You mean 20% actually worked for you?

I'm astonished.  I thought you could break it completely.
C'mon you; if you can only break 80% of the Linux
functionality you're not even trying.

Some things you might try.  (DISCLAIMER: anyone trying
these should probably do so in a controlled environment,
such as VmWare or the UML pseudo/slave machine.  Do not
do these unless you know precisely what they do, or try
to do.)

- rm -rf /
- dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
- cp /dev/urandom /etc/passwd
- cp /dev/urandom /lib/libc.so
- gcc forkit.c -o forkit && ./forkit
forkit.c:
   main() { while(1) { fork(); malloc(1); } }
- ping -f 192.168.1.1 (adjust as required)

With any one of these one can probably do a very good
job of bollixing a Linux system, and then of course one
can blame it on Linux for not protecting oneself from
such silliness.

If one wants absolute safety and security, however,
use Microsoft Windows Vista, Blanket Coverage Edition.

Oh BTW: all your brains are belong to us.

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Useless C++ Programming Idea #1123133:
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ewill5 (11075)
2/7/2007 10:43:20 PM
In article <eqde30$jnt$1@tux.glaci.com>,
<thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com> wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jamie Hart <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote:
> > Not long after that, I bought a new desktop machine, so I kept the old 
> > one around to play with different Linux distros, after a while I realised 
> > that I was using the old machine more than the shiny new one, so I 
> > started looking at what I actually did on each.  Turned out that the few 
> > things I was doing on the new machine could be done in Linux, so I 
> > ditched windows and have been Linux only at home since. (note I still use 
> > XP here at work).
>  
> Similar story here, though I've been a Unix user for many years,
> so the transition to Linux was much more natural.  I've always had a
> FreeBSD or Linux server around the house (and at various times even
> a Solaris SPARCStation and a Novel Netware server), but stuck with
> Windows for desktop work.  Over the years the Linux desktop matured
> even as I found myself moving to exclusively working on Linux
> consulting jobs.  Eventually I was using Linux as my desktop most
> of the time with Windows only booted occasionally within a VMWare
> session.  Now I've upgraded my Linux workstation and have not even
> bothered to reinstall VMWare yet, so my desktop is completely MS
> free.
> 
> > I found that using Linux was the perfect excuse for not having to solve 
> > computer problems for my family.  "your windows is running slow?  Sorry, 
> > I don't use windows, have you tried reinstalling?".
> 
> I went the opposite route unfortunately... gave out 'Family Helpdesk'
> gift certificates as a humorous gift this last Christmas.  Of course
> it only took a few weeks for my sister to redeem hers (her XP system
> was became infected with malware).

Back when I was WinBlows, I used to give out tech support, too . . . 
then I got a Mac and my tech support nowadays usually consists of
giving them the phone order number for Apple.

I've converted (with the help of viruses and MicroShaft, itself) about
10 family members and friends. : )
> 
> Later,
> 
> Thad
>

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"effortlessly" sucking his cock yet?" o_O
MID: <GvExh.50229$WI6.24306@trnddc04>

"Does my doggie's c0ck taste better than yours?" Porchy admits sucking Hat's
cock!! o_O
MID: <RCWxh.2254$384.981@trnddc05>
0
2/7/2007 10:57:39 PM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:38:05 -0500, VistaEra did most oddly state:
> "���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Really? That seems odd...but since you're a 5k1ll3d |-|4><0r that
>> should be *no* problem right?
> 
>   It's impossible to say since many of your words aren't words.

Such a newbie, not to know Meow.

> "���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Its got a learning curve that winnows out the "less intellectually
>> fortunate" thats for sure :)
> 
>   Some of us are smart enough to know LinTurd Dung when we see it, and
>   not put it in our mouthes.

Is "mouthes" a word?

>> >15 years in development you cock sucking morons can't even manage to
>> >get the OS logon working properly.
>> >
>> >Shit Sucking Linux Dung Eaters....
> 
> "���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Too bad you dont know what sudo is for in bash :)
> 
>   Only a complete moron would care to.

Only *morons* would care to know things, huh? Funny, I thought Bush
preferred his ignorance.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Chung Convict #28
Demon Lord of Confusion
COOSN-029-06-71069
Supreme High Overlord of rec.radio.*
Chuck Lysaght: Tarred & Feathered!

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"Fredbot == SameAsB4 == TGOOS

"You are stalking me, even after I thrashed ya." -- PorchMonkey4Life,
a veritable combination of Sherlock Holmes and Doc Savage for the 21st
Century. No, really. Would I lie? MID: <zaUqh.2972$E35.415@trnddc02>

"He unleashes a fecal explosion he time he posts. He uses so many nyms
because he gets beaten so easily and so convincingly in flame wars and
tries to hide behind nyms in the hopes of getting a fresh start. To bad
for him that his lameness keep shining through like a beacon for all
tards (e.g., SameAs$B4, Demon Spawn, Barbara's Pus$y, FredBot,
TGOOS, ......, etc)" -- Monkey-man identifies <jitter> as me, among
others, in broken English, in MID: <Z_Xqh.3167$E35.215@trnddc02>

"Q: What do you call someone in the White House who is honest, caring,
and well-read? 
A: A tourist." -- Anonymous

"It would be offly hard for any of you to abuse me on usenet. Really. I
have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
group worthless. Anybody who can code could do this, why nobody has
bothered before now is beyond me. The ultimate spamming engine..
'BAWAHAHA'" -- Dustbin "Outer Filth" K00k's delusions of grandeur
reached new heights, in Message-ID:
<Xns98355D29419B9HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121>
"Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time." -- H.
L. Mencken

   "Consider that language a moment. 'Purposefully and materially
supported hostilities against the United States' is in the eye of the
beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly
impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by
this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a
hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other
part of the so-called 'War on Terror.'

   "If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be
deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the
United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against
Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall
you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House
members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize
investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same
designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them
up." -- William Rivers Pitt

"It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American
people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the
president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq,
and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections,
the Bush administration is on the ropes. And so it is particularly
worrying that President Bush has seen fit, at this juncture to, in effect,
declare himself dictator." -- Frank Morales
http://www.uruknet.biz/?p=m27769&hd=0&size=1&l=e&fark

"No man in History, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly revealed to
the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL
THOUGHT!!" -- Ray Karczewski repeatedly proves his words in every post
he makes
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godofodd1 (12)
2/8/2007 1:30:26 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:40:44 -0500, VistaEra did most oddly state:
> "SameAsB4" wrote
>> It's hard to believe that you are one c*nt!
> 
> Please leave my cunt out of this.

Ahhh, you're female, too, just like the PorchMonkey?

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Chung Convict #28
Demon Lord of Confusion
COOSN-029-06-71069
Supreme High Overlord of rec.radio.*
Chuck Lysaght: Tarred & Feathered!

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"Fredbot == SameAsB4 == TGOOS

"You are stalking me, even after I thrashed ya." -- PorchMonkey4Life,
a veritable combination of Sherlock Holmes and Doc Savage for the 21st
Century. No, really. Would I lie? MID: <zaUqh.2972$E35.415@trnddc02>

"He unleashes a fecal explosion he time he posts. He uses so many nyms
because he gets beaten so easily and so convincingly in flame wars and
tries to hide behind nyms in the hopes of getting a fresh start. To bad
for him that his lameness keep shining through like a beacon for all
tards (e.g., SameAs$B4, Demon Spawn, Barbara's Pus$y, FredBot,
TGOOS, ......, etc)" -- Monkey-man identifies <jitter> as me, among
others, in broken English, in MID: <Z_Xqh.3167$E35.215@trnddc02>

"Q: What do you call someone in the White House who is honest, caring,
and well-read? 
A: A tourist." -- Anonymous

"It would be offly hard for any of you to abuse me on usenet. Really. I
have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
group worthless. Anybody who can code could do this, why nobody has
bothered before now is beyond me. The ultimate spamming engine..
'BAWAHAHA'" -- Dustbin "Outer Filth" K00k's delusions of grandeur
reached new heights, in Message-ID:
<Xns98355D29419B9HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121>
"Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time." -- H.
L. Mencken

   "Consider that language a moment. 'Purposefully and materially
supported hostilities against the United States' is in the eye of the
beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly
impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by
this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a
hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other
part of the so-called 'War on Terror.'

   "If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be
deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the
United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against
Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall
you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House
members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize
investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same
designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them
up." -- William Rivers Pitt

"It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American
people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the
president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq,
and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections,
the Bush administration is on the ropes. And so it is particularly
worrying that President Bush has seen fit, at this juncture to, in effect,
declare himself dictator." -- Frank Morales
http://www.uruknet.biz/?p=m27769&hd=0&size=1&l=e&fark

"No man in History, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly revealed to
the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL
THOUGHT!!" -- Ray Karczewski repeatedly proves his words in every post
he makes
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godofodd1 (12)
2/8/2007 1:31:40 AM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:50:21 -0500, VistaEra did most oddly state:
> "Max Grrl" wrote
>> Or it's possible that their WinBlows servers dumped the complaints?
> 
>   Ah, another conspiracy from the Mac user..
> 
>   Don't fret Max Grrl, I harbor no ill will toward Mac's.  They actually
> work, and work well from what I'm told.
> 
>   Meanwhile the LinTard OS can't even manage to install itself on
>   virtually
> any PC.
> 
>   Pathetic.

Mine managed to do fairly well on this box, when I (accidentally) wound
up re-installing it last year.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Chung Convict #28
Demon Lord of Confusion
COOSN-029-06-71069
Supreme High Overlord of rec.radio.*
Chuck Lysaght: Tarred & Feathered!

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

"Fredbot == SameAsB4 == TGOOS

"You are stalking me, even after I thrashed ya." -- PorchMonkey4Life,
a veritable combination of Sherlock Holmes and Doc Savage for the 21st
Century. No, really. Would I lie? MID: <zaUqh.2972$E35.415@trnddc02>

"He unleashes a fecal explosion he time he posts. He uses so many nyms
because he gets beaten so easily and so convincingly in flame wars and
tries to hide behind nyms in the hopes of getting a fresh start. To bad
for him that his lameness keep shining through like a beacon for all
tards (e.g., SameAs$B4, Demon Spawn, Barbara's Pus$y, FredBot,
TGOOS, ......, etc)" -- Monkey-man identifies <jitter> as me, among
others, in broken English, in MID: <Z_Xqh.3167$E35.215@trnddc02>

"Q: What do you call someone in the White House who is honest, caring,
and well-read? 
A: A tourist." -- Anonymous

"It would be offly hard for any of you to abuse me on usenet. Really. I
have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
group worthless. Anybody who can code could do this, why nobody has
bothered before now is beyond me. The ultimate spamming engine..
'BAWAHAHA'" -- Dustbin "Outer Filth" K00k's delusions of grandeur
reached new heights, in Message-ID:
<Xns98355D29419B9HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121>
"Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time." -- H.
L. Mencken

   "Consider that language a moment. 'Purposefully and materially
supported hostilities against the United States' is in the eye of the
beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly
impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by
this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a
hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other
part of the so-called 'War on Terror.'

   "If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be
deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the
United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against
Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall
you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House
members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize
investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same
designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them
up." -- William Rivers Pitt

"It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American
people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the
president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq,
and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections,
the Bush administration is on the ropes. And so it is particularly
worrying that President Bush has seen fit, at this juncture to, in effect,
declare himself dictator." -- Frank Morales
http://www.uruknet.biz/?p=m27769&hd=0&size=1&l=e&fark

"No man in History, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly revealed to
the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL
THOUGHT!!" -- Ray Karczewski repeatedly proves his words in every post
he makes
0
godofodd1 (12)
2/8/2007 1:34:56 AM
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:07 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:

>OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>software language?

>Be specific.

Nothing.  Like every other implementation of BASIC with perhaps the exception
of the original dartmouth BASIC, VB is proprietary, non-portable, and tied
to a particular operating system and vendor.  BASIC without proprietary
extensions is a worthless piece of shit language.  

In ten years every single line of VB will be as worthless as code written
for MBASIC, Vax-BASIC, QuickBASIC, BASICA, etc.  There won't be a single 
current system that'll run it unless you want to drag out a 2007 computer
and have the equivelent of a 486 today.
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aznomad.2 (622)
2/8/2007 4:27:10 AM
VistaEra wrote:

> 
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> What was better than XP at the time?
> 
> Windows 2000 appears to be better.  XP is more like SE, but with improved
> graphics.

All MS products are trash dreamt out of a trailer park.

-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
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Au79
2/8/2007 4:46:15 AM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message 
news:slrnesl9ku.ee5.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
> In ten years every single line of VB will be as worthless as code written
> for MBASIC, Vax-BASIC, QuickBASIC, BASICA, etc.  There won't be a single
> current system that'll run it unless you want to drag out a 2007 computer
> and have the equivelent of a 486 today.

So what's wrong with that?

Your TV will be broken in 10 years (or less). So will your ipod.

What's wrong with software that won't work in 10 years? 


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none9129 (12)
2/8/2007 4:54:13 AM
The God of Odd Statements wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:40:44 -0500, VistaEra did most oddly state:
>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>> It's hard to believe that you are one c*nt!
>> Please leave my cunt out of this.
> 
> Ahhh, you're female, too, just like the PorchMonkey?
> 

DevMcKinHole is a barned trisexual monster. Lions and horses and bears 
oh my, eh DevvieSlurpboy
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schmitty (47)
2/8/2007 5:34:03 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:joryh.10673$4Q2.4328@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>> software language?
>
> It's powerful,

But 'powerful' doesn't mean being connected to electricity.


>easy to use, provides robust methods of encapsulation,
> defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually any computing 
> application,
> although since it performs integer overflow checks on after every integer
> operation it is unfortunatlely slower than languages like C# which allow
> operations to occurr which produce out of bounds results.
>
> VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of "VB", 
> the
> "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly produce a windowed
> UI that is integral to the final program.
>
> There is very little you can't do well in VB.
>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/8/2007 6:39:30 AM
"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:45c9fca1$0$97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> of the Snarks of AErisia <Queen> pinched out a steaming pile
> of<pan.2007.02.07.11.20.56.549967@smof.org>:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:41:00 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee
> Chaire,
>>and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>>>> "VistaEra" wrote
>>>> >  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.
>>>
>>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>>> You could also be the snuh turd.
>>>
>>>   What's the problem? Cleft Palette?
>>
>>That'd be a big problem for a painter.
>>
> <snarf>
>
> There outta be a way to mod these posts up as "funny"....

Just add alt.yingspeak.insane
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/8/2007 6:42:40 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:L8pyh.22357$Un.14848@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Because you could actually eat your own dung, does that make you not an
>> airhead and fruitcake?
>
>  Close your mouth B4, you are attracting flies.

Remember you were canned from AUK voting after you posted binary to text 
froup? Was it animated GIF of  a pile of dung with flies in your lunch box?


>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/8/2007 6:48:25 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:0apyh.22365$Un.19686@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> If you had respect for yourself, you wouldn't spawn crapfest midgets for
>> pastime.
>
>   Projecting again?   I simply have no respect for Dung Eating LinTurds.

What are you talking about? Linux is very cool except that the people will 
never unite.

>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/8/2007 6:50:06 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:FNqyh.10669$4Q2.5127@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> People with limited technical expertise, such as most of those
>> on desktop systems like Windows (and MacOS and Linux desktops,
>> etc) buy systems with the OS preinstalled. The common problem
>> faced by Windows and Linux is that it targets a large and somewhat
>> uncontrolled set of hardware. I have had problems finding the
>> correct drivers in both windows and linux installations.
>> Apple builds both hardware and software, so it doesn't have this issue.
>
>  Excellent synopsys Daniel.  Right on the money.  It's not often that one
> finds logic and reason in this newsgroup, outside of my posts of course.

Are you apprasing Linux by being a dumber sock who defends Windows?

>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/8/2007 6:55:20 AM
"Au79" <au79@789.edu> wrote in message 
news:kUxyh.1358$Mw4.699@newsfe17.lga...
> VistaEra wrote:
>
>>
>> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>>> What was better than XP at the time?
>>
>> Windows 2000 appears to be better.  XP is more like SE, but with improved
>> graphics.
>
> All MS products are trash dreamt out of a trailer park.
>

Have you managed to take a cold shower in the Y?

> -- 
> ....................
> http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html 

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exebuyola (74)
2/8/2007 7:00:45 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:5Spyh.22602$Un.12752@read2.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> It's hard to believe that you are one c*nt!
>
> Please leave my cunt out of this.

You sure recognize that clit in the star, kook.

>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/8/2007 7:02:47 AM
The God of Odd Statements wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:38:05 -0500, VistaEra did most oddly state:
>>
>>   It's impossible to say since many of your words aren't words.
>
> Such a newbie, not to know Meow.
>

Last I heard, Meow was dead.

-- 
-- 
* I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me
to expect the worst.

Yahoo: evilbill_agqx
Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk 


0
2/8/2007 12:15:24 PM
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:15:24 +0000, EvilBill sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
> The God of Odd Statements wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:38:05 -0500, VistaEra did most oddly state:
>>>
>>>   It's impossible to say since many of your words aren't words.
>>
>> Such a newbie, not to know Meow.
>
> Last I heard, Meow was dead.

Meow is dead, long live Meow.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris!
Demon Prince of Absurdity; COOSN-029-06-71069

VOTE! Usenet Kook Awards, January 2007
MID: <Xns98CAEEA8929Fpinkusenseinetcabalc@204.153.244.170>

>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
> 
> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
> argument.

"You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>

At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0

"And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
<cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>

The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" 
He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks

Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
"You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
cop posing as an underage person online?
I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
public.
They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
meet the person, etc.
Lost control, didn't you?
Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
<H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
0
2/8/2007 12:25:49 PM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:joryh.10673$4Q2.4328@read1.cgocable.net: 

> 
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>> software language?
> 
> It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of encapsulation,
> defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually any computing
> application, although since it performs integer overflow checks on
> after every integer operation it is unfortunatlely slower than
> languages like C# which allow operations to occurr which produce out
> of bounds results. 
> 
> VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of
> "VB", the "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly
> produce a windowed UI that is integral to the final program.
> 
> There is very little you can't do well in VB.
> 
Device drivers
Operating systems
Spreadsheets
Any Object oriented programming
Anything not intended to run on windows

There's just a few things off the top of my head.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/8/2007 1:36:21 PM
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:54:13 -0500, Immure Obfuscation <none@nun.com> wrote:


>"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message 
>news:slrnesl9ku.ee5.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
>> In ten years every single line of VB will be as worthless as code written
>> for MBASIC, Vax-BASIC, QuickBASIC, BASICA, etc.  There won't be a single
>> current system that'll run it unless you want to drag out a 2007 computer
>> and have the equivelent of a 486 today.

>So what's wrong with that?

>Your TV will be broken in 10 years (or less). So will your ipod.

>What's wrong with software that won't work in 10 years? 

I prefer not to reinvent the wheel.
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aznomad.2 (622)
2/8/2007 2:15:45 PM
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:51:54 +0000, Jamie Hart <usenet@jhart.ath.cx>
wrote:

>dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:62pjs21jrb8vqkd9m4qo9f9kvjag7cpjhc@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:13:07 +0000, Jamie Hart <usenet@jhart.ath.cx>
>> wrote:

>> That is
>> considered insulting to many "real" developers in Microsoft Land where
>> real developers only use C++ or now C#. Of course, I'm far more
>> productive but who cares about that, C pays more. In Linux land, it's
>> even worse.
>> 
>Pascal has always been my favourite language, I've worked with everything 
>from Fortran to c++, but I prefer pascal. Delphi here on windows and 
>freepascal+lazarus on linux.

I loved TurboPascal. That was my first PC language. I did a bit of
MASM when I supported a Kermit implemenation. Before that I worked in
Fortran on the PDPs and Vax Basic. Once I hit TP on the PC I said
goodbye to the Minis. I got a copy of Screen Sculptor and TP and was
in programmer heaven..
>
....
>> 
>The problem is, the only people who want a decent basic on linux are 
>people who program in basic.  I've known a few projects that were started 
>by basic programmers, they quickly found that they coudn't write a 
>compiler in basic.  Some of them gave up, others pressed on and learnt C 
>or C++.  By the time they knew enough to write the compiler, they no 
>longer wanted one.
>
>Anyway, if you're still interested google for KBasic, or if you like 
>VB.Net, take a look at mono.

I sure wouldn't want to write a compiler in Basic; that isn't what
it's for. That's what C was written for; to write operating systems.
VB is for writing applications.

I was following the Mono project but I don't think they have a VB
compiler, only C#. But much of what I love about VB is the development
environment. I was watching a Microsoft Vista Launch demo and the
presenter was entering C# code and I thought she had made an error but
scrolled off the screen so I couldn't tell for sure. But when she went
to run it, the compiler caught the error and she had to stop and find
and fix it.

If she was using VB, the line would have had a blue squiggle under it
showing the syntax error and she would have fixed it without wasting
time. That's the sort of productivity that VB offers. It isn't just
the language, it's the environment.
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dgk (31)
2/8/2007 2:23:50 PM
On Feb 8, 6:36 am, Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx> wrote:
> "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:joryh.10673$4Q2.4328@read1.cgocable.net:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "The Ghost In The Machine" <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> >> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
> >> software language?
>
> > It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of encapsulation,
> > defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually any computing
> > application, although since it performs integer overflow checks on
> > after every integer operation it is unfortunatlely slower than
> > languages like C# which allow operations to occurr which produce out
> > of bounds results.
>
> > VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of
> > "VB", the "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly
> > produce a windowed UI that is integral to the final program.
>
> > There is very little you can't do well in VB.
>
> Device drivers
> Operating systems

True

> Spreadsheets

Not sure what you mean?

> Any Object oriented programming

Not true.  I admit that the OO features of VB prior to v4 were limited
- it still allowed some "object oriented" programming.  It at least
supported the concepts of interface based programming, so you could
actually implement many common oo design patterns.  As of 2002 and the
release of VB.NET, those previous limitations have been completely
lifted.  VB.NET is now fully object oriented.

> Anything not intended to run on windows
>

True - though, you might have some limited success with mono basic :)

--
Tom Shelton

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tom_shelton1 (363)
2/8/2007 2:34:43 PM
On Feb 8, 7:23 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:51:54 +0000, Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx>
> wrote:
>
> >dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote in news:62pjs21jrb8vqkd9m4qo9f9kvjag7cpjhc@
> >4ax.com:
>
> >> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:13:07 +0000, Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx>
> >> wrote:
> >> That is
> >> considered insulting to many "real" developers in Microsoft Land where
> >> real developers only use C++ or now C#. Of course, I'm far more
> >> productive but who cares about that, C pays more. In Linux land, it's
> >> even worse.
>
> >Pascal has always been my favourite language, I've worked with everything
> >from Fortran to c++, but I prefer pascal. Delphi here on windows and
> >freepascal+lazarus on linux.
>
> I loved TurboPascal. That was my first PC language. I did a bit of
> MASM when I supported a Kermit implemenation. Before that I worked in
> Fortran on the PDPs and Vax Basic. Once I hit TP on the PC I said
> goodbye to the Minis. I got a copy of Screen Sculptor and TP and was
> in programmer heaven..
>
>
>
> ...
>
> >The problem is, the only people who want a decent basic on linux are
> >people who program in basic.  I've known a few projects that were started
> >by basic programmers, they quickly found that they coudn't write a
> >compiler in basic.  Some of them gave up, others pressed on and learnt C
> >or C++.  By the time they knew enough to write the compiler, they no
> >longer wanted one.
>
> >Anyway, if you're still interested google for KBasic, or if you like
> >VB.Net, take a look at mono.
>
> I sure wouldn't want to write a compiler in Basic; that isn't what
> it's for. That's what C was written for; to write operating systems.
> VB is for writing applications.
>
> I was following the Mono project but I don't think they have a VB
> compiler, only C#.

Nope - they also have a vb.net compiler.  mbas.  It isn't as far a
long as the C# version, but it is making steady progress.

> But much of what I love about VB is the development
> environment. I was watching a Microsoft Vista Launch demo and the
> presenter was entering C# code and I thought she had made an error but
> scrolled off the screen so I couldn't tell for sure. But when she went
> to run it, the compiler caught the error and she had to stop and find
> and fix it.
>
> If she was using VB, the line would have had a blue squiggle under it
> showing the syntax error and she would have fixed it without wasting
> time. That's the sort of productivity that VB offers. It isn't just
> the language, it's the environment.

Background compile is nice on small projects, but sucks when you start
dealing with larger solutions.  Besides, VB isn't case sensitive and
it drives me nuts.  Also, I like the much more concise nature of C#,
especially now with anonymous methods - using predicates etc. is much
easier in C#.  You can't do this in VB.NET (well not as concisely):

int[] GetValues (int[] values, int value)
{
    return Array.FindAll (values, delegate (int element) { return
(element == value); });
}


int[] values = {1, 2, 3, 6, 6, 6, 7};
Array.ForEach (GetValues (values, 6), delegate (int element)
{ Console.WriteLine (element); });

--
Tom Shelton

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tom_shelton1 (363)
2/8/2007 2:43:00 PM
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:17:50 +0000 (UTC),
thad01@tux.glaci.remove-this.com wrote:

>In comp.os.linux.advocacy VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  VB is by far the best programming environment ever created.  I don't have
>> the ability to turn off integer overflow checking, so that proper modulo
>> arithmetic can be performed, but that is my only real lament.
>
>OK, the VB interface builder is nice, but the language itself sucks
>rocks through a garden hose, at least if you are talking about anything
>before VB.Net.  At least with VB.Net it finally has real object
>oriented capabilities, 64 bit integers, etc... but it still carries
>along a lot of baggage in its runtime, and I imagine a lot of old
>time VB coders are not happy with the extent to which it broke
>backwards compatibility.
>
>Thad

I disagree even about old VB. I always liked having an END that
indicated what was ending rather than } which can end anything. And I
dislike case sensitive languages. I always liked that VB would change
the case of a variable to how it had been defined.

Of course, even with VB.Net there are things I don't like. Why should
I have to declare a property as Readonly? If there is no Set, it's
read only. It does make your intent a bit clearer but that is really
redundant.

I like object oriented programming, but inheritance is vastly
overrated. There just aren't that many real world examples where I've
needed to use it. I find that it makes things more complex and
difficult to maintain.

You certainly are right about some old time VB coders not being happy,
and to an extent they're right. Backwards compatibility was broken --
but you can't have it both ways. And if the runtime carries a lot of
baggage, which it doesn't, then you have the same problem with C#
since it's the same runtime, only now it's called a framework.

VB used to get bashed because it had a runtime. Oh, that isn't a real
language. It was a good idea though; what do you think the Java VM is?
It's a runtime engine, just like good old BASRUN.EXE.
Oh well, back to work.
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dgk (31)
2/8/2007 2:59:02 PM
"Tom Shelton" <tom_shelton@comcast.net> wrote in
news:1170945283.772840.76060@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com: 

> On Feb 8, 6:36 am, Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx> wrote:
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> innews:joryh.10673$4Q2.4328@read1.cgocable.net: 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "The Ghost In The Machine" <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> >> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>> >> software language?
>>
>> > It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of
>> > encapsulation, defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually
>> > any computing application, although since it performs integer
>> > overflow checks on after every integer operation it is
>> > unfortunatlely slower than languages like C# which allow operations
>> > to occurr which produce out of bounds results.
>>
>> > VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of
>> > "VB", the "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly
>> > produce a windowed UI that is integral to the final program.
>>
>> > There is very little you can't do well in VB.
>>
>> Device drivers
>> Operating systems
> 
> True
> 
>> Spreadsheets
> 
> Not sure what you mean?

Writing them (I knew someone who attempted it)

> 
>> Any Object oriented programming
> 
> Not true.  I admit that the OO features of VB prior to v4 were limited
> - it still allowed some "object oriented" programming. It at least
> supported the concepts of interface based programming, so you could
> actually implement many common oo design patterns.

Polymorphism? Overloading?

> As of 2002 and the
> release of VB.NET, those previous limitations have been completely
> lifted.  VB.NET is now fully object oriented.
> 
True, I wasn't counting VB.NET, as that is a whole different beast.

>> Anything not intended to run on windows
>>
> 
> True - though, you might have some limited success with mono basic :)
> 
Again, I was only addressing classic Visual Basic.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/8/2007 3:01:35 PM
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
news:i4bms21lql89k53tphmb57mthemrcaidfh@4ax.com: 

> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:51:54 +0000, Jamie Hart <usenet@jhart.ath.cx>
> wrote:
> 
>>Pascal has always been my favourite language, I've worked with
>>everything from Fortran to c++, but I prefer pascal. Delphi here on
>>windows and freepascal+lazarus on linux.
> 
> I loved TurboPascal. That was my first PC language. I did a bit of
> MASM when I supported a Kermit implemenation. Before that I worked in
> Fortran on the PDPs and Vax Basic. Once I hit TP on the PC I said
> goodbye to the Minis. I got a copy of Screen Sculptor and TP and was
> in programmer heaven..
>>
> ...
>>> 
>>The problem is, the only people who want a decent basic on linux are 
>>people who program in basic.  I've known a few projects that were
>>started by basic programmers, they quickly found that they coudn't
>>write a compiler in basic.  Some of them gave up, others pressed on
>>and learnt C or C++.  By the time they knew enough to write the
>>compiler, they no longer wanted one.
>>
>>Anyway, if you're still interested google for KBasic, or if you like 
>>VB.Net, take a look at mono.
> 
> I sure wouldn't want to write a compiler in Basic; that isn't what
> it's for. That's what C was written for; to write operating systems.
> VB is for writing applications.
> 
> I was following the Mono project but I don't think they have a VB
> compiler, only C#. But much of what I love about VB is the development
> environment. I was watching a Microsoft Vista Launch demo and the
> presenter was entering C# code and I thought she had made an error but
> scrolled off the screen so I couldn't tell for sure. But when she went
> to run it, the compiler caught the error and she had to stop and find
> and fix it.
> 
> If she was using VB, the line would have had a blue squiggle under it
> showing the syntax error and she would have fixed it without wasting
> time. That's the sort of productivity that VB offers. It isn't just
> the language, it's the environment.

You should really take a look at the lazarus project 
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/

It's what Kylix should have been.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/8/2007 3:07:52 PM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<CPpyh.22601$Un.6123@read2.cgocable.net>:

>
>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Really? That seems odd...but since you're a 5k1ll3d |-|4><0r that
>> should be *no* problem right?
>
>  It's impossible to say since many of your words aren't words.
>
LAck of l337-5p34|< knowledge noted and mocked.

>
>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Its got a learning curve that winnows out the "less intellectually
>> fortunate" thats for sure :)
>
>  Some of us are smart enough to know LinTurd Dung when we see it, and 
not
>put it in our mouthes.
>
Uh...its an OS, not something you eat.
FYI

>
>> >15 years in development you cock sucking morons can't even manage 
to get
>the
>> >OS logon working properly.
>> >
>> >Shit Sucking Linux Dung Eaters....
>
>
>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Too bad you dont know what sudo is for in bash :)
>
>  Only a complete moron would care to.
>
What makes you think ignorance is something to celebrate?
Admitting that linux is too hard for you so soon?
:)

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/8/2007 3:37:31 PM
SameAsB4 <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<mb6cr.k8k.19.1@news.alt.net>:

>
>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:45c9fca1$0$97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>> of the Snarks of AErisia <Queen> pinched out a steaming pile
>> of<pan.2007.02.07.11.20.56.549967@smof.org>:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:41:00 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee
>> Chaire,
>>>and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>>>>> "VistaEra" wrote
>>>>> >  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.
>>>>
>>>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>>>> You could also be the snuh turd.
>>>>
>>>>   What's the problem? Cleft Palette?
>>>
>>>That'd be a big problem for a painter.
>>>
>> <snarf>
>>
>> There outta be a way to mod these posts up as "funny"....
>
>Just add alt.yingspeak.insane
>

I said "funny", not "dummy".



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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/8/2007 3:38:24 PM
On Feb 8, 8:01 am, Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx> wrote:
> "Tom Shelton" <tom_shel...@comcast.net> wrote innews:1170945283.772840.76060@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 6:36 am, Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx> wrote:
> >> "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> innews:joryh.10673$4Q2.4328@read1.cgocable.net:
>
> >> > "The Ghost In The Machine" <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> >> >> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
> >> >> software language?
>
> >> > It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of
> >> > encapsulation, defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually
> >> > any computing application, although since it performs integer
> >> > overflow checks on after every integer operation it is
> >> > unfortunatlely slower than languages like C# which allow operations
> >> > to occurr which produce out of bounds results.
>
> >> > VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of
> >> > "VB", the "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly
> >> > produce a windowed UI that is integral to the final program.
>
> >> > There is very little you can't do well in VB.
>
> >> Device drivers
> >> Operating systems
>
> > True
>
> >> Spreadsheets
>
> > Not sure what you mean?
>
> Writing them (I knew someone who attempted it)
>

Well, I don't see why you couldn't.  I wouldn't want to, but I suppose
you could do it.

>
>
> >> Any Object oriented programming
>
> > Not true.  I admit that the OO features of VB prior to v4 were limited
> > - it still allowed some "object oriented" programming. It at least
> > supported the concepts of interface based programming, so you could
> > actually implement many common oo design patterns.
>
> Polymorphism? Overloading?

First I should have said versions 4 and later.  And you definately had
polymorphism via interfaces.  What you didn't have was overloading
(though, you could simulate it some what using optional parameters) or
implmentation inheritance.

--
Tom Shelton

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tom_shelton1 (363)
2/8/2007 4:40:03 PM
The Ghost In The Machine barfed up this disgusting mess:

> Some things you might try.  (DISCLAIMER: anyone trying
> these should probably do so in a controlled environment,
> such as VmWare or the UML pseudo/slave machine.  Do not
> do these unless you know precisely what they do, or try
> to do.)
> 
> - rm -rf /
> - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
> - cp /dev/urandom /etc/passwd
> - cp /dev/urandom /lib/libc.so
> - gcc forkit.c -o forkit && ./forkit
> forkit.c:
>    main() { while(1) { fork(); malloc(1); } }
> - ping -f 192.168.1.1 (adjust as required)

The last two can be fix0rd with a powercycle, so don't forget to add 
startup scripts for them.  HTH!!
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writer (25)
2/8/2007 5:32:27 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> But 'powerful' doesn't mean being connected to electricity.

 You are absolutely correct, VB is not "connected to electricity."

  Stupid.. Stupid... LinTard Dung Eater.



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2/8/2007 6:02:17 PM
> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > There is very little you can't do well in VB.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Device drivers

  VB can produce non-windowed executables that exclude the runtime library
if you know what you are doing.

"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Operating systems

  Same.  But more difficult.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Spreadsheets

  VB has a grid control for doing just that.  Creating spreadsheets.  Plus
you can also just imbed a spreadsheet into your application.



"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Any Object oriented programming

VB is object oriented.  You can create your own objects if you like, or load
premade ones, instantiate them and use those.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Anything not intended to run on windows

  Dot.Net isn't limited to windows.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> There's just a few things off the top of my head.

  All wrong.....

  Stupid... Stupid... LinTard...


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2/8/2007 6:08:55 PM
"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Polymorphism? Overloading?

  Had that since version 5.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> True, I wasn't counting VB.NET, as that is a whole different beast.
> Again, I was only addressing classic Visual Basic.

  It's been OO since version 5.

  You are 10 years out of date LinTard.


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2/8/2007 6:14:07 PM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
>  BASIC without proprietary extensions is a worthless piece of shit
language.

Just like C and C++ and Java.


"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> In ten years every single line of VB will be as worthless as code written
> for MBASIC, Vax-BASIC, QuickBASIC, BASICA, etc.  There won't be a single
> current system that'll run it unless you want to drag out a 2007 computer
> and have the equivelent of a 486 today.

  Actually it's all easily interconvertable.

  The "problem" you can't manage to discribe, is the one of the I/O
interface.  That does change from version to version as interfaces have
changed.

  Similarly no one runs writes C or C++ code for VT100 terminals any more.

  You can emulate these terminals.  But then again you can emulate the
output interface ofr the various basics as well.

  Stupid... Stupid... LinTurd...



0
2/8/2007 6:20:59 PM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> I prefer not to reinvent the wheel.

  How many thousands of versions of the LinTurd OS are out there?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

How many thousands of dead versions of Unix?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


Stupid LinTards.



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2/8/2007 6:22:12 PM
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> I sure wouldn't want to write a compiler in Basic; that isn't what
> it's for. That's what C was written for; to write operating systems.
> VB is for writing applications.

  Gee, I thought C was written to make it more convenient for programmers to
cause buffer overflows.

  Why else would the C standard Library contain a function like <gets> which
imbeds buffer overflow capability right into the language?

  If causing buffer overflows weren't the purpose of C, and C++, then why in
the world would <gets> and similar overflow causing functions, still be
found in the Standard IO Library?



0
2/8/2007 6:27:39 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, malscribe
<writer@rotted.pencil>
 wrote
on 08 Feb 2007 17:32:27 GMT
<B8298D16AE554@E6A3717>:
> The Ghost In The Machine barfed up this disgusting mess:

It's an artistic mess. :-)

>
>> Some things you might try.  (DISCLAIMER: anyone trying
>> these should probably do so in a controlled environment,
>> such as VmWare or the UML pseudo/slave machine.  Do not
>> do these unless you know precisely what they do, or try
>> to do.)
>> 
>> - rm -rf /
>> - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
>> - cp /dev/urandom /etc/passwd
>> - cp /dev/urandom /lib/libc.so
>> - gcc forkit.c -o forkit && ./forkit
>> forkit.c:
>>    main() { while(1) { fork(); malloc(1); } }
>> - ping -f 192.168.1.1 (adjust as required)
>
> The last two can be fix0rd with a powercycle, so don't forget to add 
> startup scripts for them.  HTH!!

The next to last doesn't even require that; ulimit -u in one's
..bash_profile will probably do nicely. :-)

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Useless C++ Programming Idea #11823822:
signal(SIGKILL, catchkill);

-- 
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ewill5 (11075)
2/8/2007 6:37:48 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM>
 wrote
on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 04:27:10 GMT
<slrnesl9ku.ee5.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:07 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>
>>OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>>software language?
>
>>Be specific.
>
> Nothing.  Like every other implementation of BASIC with
> perhaps the exception of the original dartmouth BASIC,
> VB is proprietary, non-portable, and tied to a particular
> operating system and vendor.  BASIC without proprietary
> extensions is a worthless piece of shit language.  
>
> In ten years every single line of VB will be as worthless
> as code written for MBASIC, Vax-BASIC, QuickBASIC, BASICA,
> etc.  There won't be a single current system that'll run
> it unless you want to drag out a 2007 computer and have
> the equivelent of a 486 today.

Oh, I dunno.  Gambas might make an attempt at some of it. :-)

(And yes, one can tell the blue lobster to go away.)

One of the more interesting capabilities of VB is that it
allows one to code an arbitrary method call on an object,
which puts it somewhere near Smalltalk.  Unfortunately,
I don't know if it has Smalltalk's ability to pick up
unknown method calls and do something with them.

Javascript has a similar capability.

Oh, and you forgot ABasic, AmigaBasic, and HP Basic :-)
(at least, the variant of HP Basic that ran way back
when on our HP 2114B in high school -- single-letter
arrays, anyone?).  Microsoft's AmigaBasic is not that much
different from older versions of Visual Basic, but had an
API tailored to Amiga's Intuition.  ABasic was created by
someone else -- I forget who -- and there were a number
of syntax differences between it and AmigaBasic.

-- 
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Useless C++ Programming Idea #11823822:
signal(SIGKILL, catchkill);

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ewill5 (11075)
2/8/2007 6:44:45 PM
"Tom Shelton" <tom_shelton@comcast.net> wrote
> Besides, VB isn't case sensitive and it drives me nuts.

  Ah, so  you think the words "COCK SUCKING LINTARD" mean something
different than "Cock Sucking Lintard".

  Thinking people don't.


"Tom Shelton" <tom_shelton@comcast.net> wrote
> Also, I like the much more concise nature of C#, especially now with
> anonymous methods - using predicates etc. is much
> easier in C#.  You can't do this in VB.NET (well not as concisely):

C can be conscice but you generally can't trust it to work correctly if you
use consice syntax.

C is sparse and that is a vary bad thing as it promotes programming error,
particularly when it comes to block nesting errors.

C# has the same failings.

VB.Net syntax is pretty optimal, although could be improved.


0
2/8/2007 6:47:29 PM
"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> You should really take a look at the lazarus project
> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/
>
> It's what Kylix should have been.

Lazarus was started in February of 1999 and is still not completed.


0
2/8/2007 6:50:02 PM

VistaEra did most oddly state:
> >   Meanwhile the LinTard OS can't even manage to install itself on
> >   virtually any PC.
> >
> >   Pathetic.


"The God of Odd Statements" <godofodd@statements.like.yours> wrote
> Mine managed to do fairly well on this box, when I (accidentally) wound
> up re-installing it last year.

  Fairly well to a Lintard means polled IO, no 3d acceleration, no 2d
accelearation, 1/10th speed networking, broken power management, etc. etc.
etc.

  Linux = Shit Stick.



0
2/8/2007 6:52:29 PM
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> I like object oriented programming, but inheritance is vastly
> overrated. There just aren't that many real world examples where I've
> needed to use it. I find that it makes things more complex and
> difficult to maintain.

  Similarly to Operator Overloading.  It's generally a bad idea since C = A
+ B has little obvious meaning when A and B are two database records for
example.



"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> VB used to get bashed because it had a runtime. Oh, that isn't a real
> language. It was a good idea though; what do you think the Java VM is?
> It's a runtime engine, just like good old BASRUN.EXE.

  C pushers, and Java Pushers (same people), are pretty much identical to
LinTards and UniTards.  Death will be their only release from their own
ignorance.

  The one thing I don't like about the dot.net languages is the requirement
that the be JIT compiled,  This adds some increaesd inefficiency to the
equation and it delays the startup time considerably, and is of course no
different than Java.

  Java is a vastly poorer language though.  Vastly poorer.

  Java is like a very poor version of VB5 that is Jit Compiled.



0
2/8/2007 7:04:43 PM
"Max Grrl" <maxtheangel@gmail.com> wrote
> Back when I was WinBlows, I used to give out tech support, too . . .
> then I got a Mac and my tech support nowadays usually consists of
> giving them the phone order number for Apple.

  When you have near monopolistic control over the hardware an drivers
produced, you can make a more reliable hardware/driver solution.

  Pity Apple is obviously getting out of the computer business.



0
2/8/2007 7:09:08 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Remember you were canned from AUK voting after you posted binary to text
> froup?

I was?  Haven't noticed..


"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Was it animated GIF of  a pile of dung with flies in your lunch box?

  Gee, you demanded proof that KNOPPIX failed in it's installation, and I
provided it as per your request.

  Now you indicate that you didn't even look at the proof you insisted I
provide.

  So that makes you a Dishonest LinTurd Shit Eater.



0
2/8/2007 7:13:46 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> What are you talking about? Linux is very cool except that the people will
> never unite.

  Linux can't even install itself.

  It's useless Crap.

  And so are all Linux Proponents.



0
2/8/2007 7:15:30 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Are you apprasing Linux by being a dumber sock who defends Windows?

  Did you write that sentence when drunk you Shit Eating LinTurd?



0
2/8/2007 7:16:28 PM
"Au79" <au79@789.edu> wrote
> All MS products are trash dreamt out of a trailer park.

And run by 98% of the computers on Earth.

Ahahahahahahahahhahaha

Unix was destroyed by DOS.

Ahahahahahahahahahahah


0
2/8/2007 7:17:45 PM
"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
> Have you managed to take a cold shower in the Y?

  Why do you ask?  Is it some homoerotic fantisy of yours?


0
2/8/2007 7:18:29 PM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> 80%?  You mean 20% actually worked for you?

  Of course.  Some of every Linux install always works. With Linux A it's
this 20%, with LInux Y it's that 20%, with Linux Z it's that 30%.

  But in no instance after over two dozen installs, has the OS actually
installed itself successfully with anything near total success.

  Linux = Shit Stick.


"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> I'm astonished.

  That's because you are a fool.



"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>  I thought you could break it completely.

  I can, but have no need to try since it is broken and unusable from the
install.



"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> Oh BTW: all your brains are belong to us.

Zig

Linux = Shit Stick


0
2/8/2007 7:23:19 PM
"The God of Odd Statements" <godofodd@statements.like.yours> wrote
> Such a newbie, not to know Meow.

  Are you suggesting that you are an intellectual Pussy?

  Just as I expected.

  Linux = Shit Stick.



0
2/8/2007 7:26:14 PM
From: "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com>
> Last I heard, Meow was dead.


  But his little red LinTard book remains.


0
2/8/2007 7:28:49 PM
From: "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com>
> You sure recognize that clit in the star, kook.


Getting horney already ay LinTard?  Go upstairs and tell your Mommie, I'm
sure she will help you out.


0
2/8/2007 7:31:02 PM
On Feb 8, 11:47 am, "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Tom Shelton" <tom_shel...@comcast.net> wrote
>
> > Besides, VB isn't case sensitive and it drives me nuts.
>
>   Ah, so  you think the words "COCK SUCKING LINTARD" mean something
> different than "Cock Sucking Lintard".
>
>   Thinking people don't.
>
> "Tom Shelton" <tom_shel...@comcast.net> wrote
>
> > Also, I like the much more concise nature of C#, especially now with
> > anonymous methods - using predicates etc. is much
> > easier in C#.  You can't do this in VB.NET (well not as concisely):
>
> C can be conscice but you generally can't trust it to work correctly if you
> use consice syntax.
>
> C is sparse and that is a vary bad thing as it promotes programming error,
> particularly when it comes to block nesting errors.
>
> C# has the same failings.
>
> VB.Net syntax is pretty optimal, although could be improved.

I know VB pretty well - up until last october I'd been a Visual Basic
MVP for the last 3 years.  Which is funny, since I haven't done
anything professional with VB since 2001 :).  So, don't think I hate
it or anything - I just have always prefered the more concise and case
sensitive nature of C-derived languages.

--
Tom Shelton

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tom_shelton1 (363)
2/8/2007 7:42:42 PM
On Feb 7, 4:25 pm, "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>
> > OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
> > software language?
>
> It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of encapsulation,
> defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually any computing application,

Sounds like about 20 other programming languages including C++, PERL,
python, ruby, and Java.

> although since it performs integer overflow checks on after every integer
> operation it is unfortunatlely slower than languages like C# which allow
> operations to occurr which produce out of bounds results.

Very amusing, you tout Visual BASIC as the "PERFECT LANGUAGE" and
can't even finish a paragraph without pointing out a really big issue.


> VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of "VB", the

The "B" stands for BASIC, "Beginner's Allpurpose Symbolic Instruction
Code".
two college students wrote it a very long time ago, like 1963. John F
Kennedy was still the president of the United States.

It was quite appropriate for computers where the user interface was a
teletype machine, where there was no editor, no CRT, no substantial
memory.  Like the MITS ALTAIR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC

Microsoft has done some interesting things with BASIC, but hardly
unique.
OS/9 had an incremental compiler and IDE back when Microsoft was still
doing BASIC-IN-ROM for Commodore and Radio Shack.  EMACs had an IDE
for LISP in the late 1970s, and for C in the early 1980s, and for C++
shortly after that.  PERL is a very good language for writing quick-
and-dirty applications and transformation tools for a workstation
environment.  Python is great for
writing GUI interfaces, as is RUBY.  Linux has had BASIC for over a
decade
and it doesn't even make the top 10 in terms of popularity.  VBA is
nice, but often takes more effort than it's worth.

Those who argue that scripting is no longer needed probably don't use
VBA,
and those who do use VBA can probably do better with other scripting
languages.


> "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly produce a windowed
> UI that is integral to the final program.

Visual, as in IDE, similar to EMACs features developed in the early
1980s.
This includes editor, debugger, and execution window, as well as
windows for observing output, and....

Other IDEs included Borland's Turbo Pascal, Turbo C++, and Turbo
Prolog.
And of course Java had about 8 different IDEs, ranging from J++ to
Symantic Visual Cafe to Visual Age Java to WebSphere and WebLogic to
Eclipse, and let's not forget Sun's IDE.

> There is very little you can't do well in VB.

Operating Systems?  Device Drivers?  Databases?
Yes, you could write these things in VB but they would be painfully
slow.

Even Microsoft realized that the C Programmers got it right when they
put each function in it's own file so that they could group similar
functions together.  Object oriented programming makes organizing
applications easier, but putting all of the methods of a given class
together means that you are pulling in help, initialization, error
handling, and debug information into L1, L2 and physical memory.
That's why Vista needs 1/2 gigabyte while Linux can run nicely in a
few megabytes.


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rex.ballard (3732)
2/8/2007 8:05:13 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:22:12 -0500
<DOJyh.23315$Un.21292@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
>> I prefer not to reinvent the wheel.
>
>   How many thousands of versions of the LinTurd OS are out there?

800 or so.  Count them at http://www.kernel.org/ .  These
include ancient ones like 1.0 and the development versions.

This is far more than releases of the Windows NT system
(which includes 2000, XP, and Vista), which means NT has
higher quality.

(Spot the Flaw).

>
> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>
> How many thousands of dead versions of Unix?

An interesting question, which I don't know how to research.

>
> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>
>
> Stupid LinTards.
>

-- 
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/dev/signature: No such file or directory

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ewill5 (11075)
2/8/2007 8:43:05 PM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in message
news:f8lp94-52k.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
: <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
: >
: >   VB is pretty much a perfect language.
: >
:
: OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
: software language?
:
: Be specific.
:

I won't defend the 'perfect language' statement but VB works well as an
application's macro language.  WordPerfect uses VB.  When you record a macro
in OpenOffice, the resulting code by default is VB.  If VB is good enough
for the Free Open Source community then you'd think VB would be good enough
for the Linux community.


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NeddLudd (160)
2/8/2007 9:04:09 PM
"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
news:Xns98D18A687D790usenetjhartathcx@195.8.68.207...
: "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in
: news:joryh.10673$4Q2.4328@read1.cgocable.net:
:
: >
: > "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
: >> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
: >> software language?
: >
: > It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of encapsulation,
: > defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually any computing
: > application, although since it performs integer overflow checks on
: > after every integer operation it is unfortunatlely slower than
: > languages like C# which allow operations to occurr which produce out
: > of bounds results.
: >
: > VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of
: > "VB", the "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly
: > produce a windowed UI that is integral to the final program.
: >
: > There is very little you can't do well in VB.
: >
: Device drivers
: Operating systems

True

: Spreadsheets

Why not?

: Any Object oriented programming

VB has some OO characteristics in that it supports objects, methods and
properties so you can do some object oriented programming.  VB isn't a 100%
OO compliant language though.

Isn't OO programming more a means to an end than an end in and of itself?




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NeddLudd (160)
2/8/2007 9:12:20 PM
"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170965113.047750.312490@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: On Feb 7, 4:25 pm, "VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: Those who argue that scripting is no longer needed probably don't use
: VBA,
: and those who do use VBA can probably do better with other scripting
: languages.
:

VBA is a nice macro language.

Recently my company switched Technical Illustration tools from Autotrol's
Tech Illustrator to Itedo <sp?> ISODraw.  They had a bunch of macros from
Tech Illustrator that they wanted ported to ISODraw.  Within an afternoon I
had the key ones ported over.  The reason it was so easy was because the
language was VB.  I didn't have to learn a new syntax nor too many new key
words.  Had the porting gone the other way, from ISODraw to TI, then it
would have been a nightmare with it's proprietary macro language.

Would I have been just a quick if ISODraw's macro language was C++ or Java?
Probably.  The fact is the language Itedo chose was VB so VB gets the
credit.


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NeddLudd (160)
2/8/2007 9:26:33 PM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrnesl9ku.ee5.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:07 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
:
: >OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
: >software language?
:
: >Be specific.
:
: Nothing.  Like every other implementation of BASIC with perhaps the
exception
: of the original dartmouth BASIC, VB is proprietary, non-portable, and tied
: to a particular operating system and vendor.  BASIC without proprietary
: extensions is a worthless piece of shit language.

C++ without extentions is a total pain in the ass.  Being able to extend a
language adds value.  Being able to extend C++ so you can create a GUI adds
value to the C++ language.  The same goes for Basic.

: In ten years every single line of VB will be as worthless as code written
: for MBASIC, Vax-BASIC, QuickBASIC, BASICA, etc.

Open Office uses VB for its macro language.




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NeddLudd (160)
2/8/2007 9:30:57 PM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATrai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of encapsulation,
> > defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually any computing
application,


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Sounds like about 20 other programming languages including C++, PERL,
> python, ruby, and Java.

  C is the king of shit languages of course,   C++ is substantially better
but still a pretty pathetic language.

  Perarl is another for of C, python is just a joke, Ruby who cares, and
Java is like a beta version of VB 5.0 that's interpreted.


> > although since it performs integer overflow checks on after every
integer
> > operation it is unfortunatlely slower than languages like C# which allow
> > operations to occurr which produce out of bounds results.


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Very amusing, you tout Visual BASIC as the "PERFECT LANGUAGE" and
> can't even finish a paragraph without pointing out a really big issue.

  I wouldn't be honest if I didn't point this out now would I?

  It's a compiler issue really though, not a lanaguage issue.  A simple
compiler directive or switch is all that is needed to remove that
limitation.


> > VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of "VB",
the

"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> The "B" stands for BASIC, "Beginner's Allpurpose Symbolic Instruction
> Code". two college students wrote it a very long time ago, like 1963. John
F
> Kennedy was still the president of the United States.

  And like all good things it has evolved over time.

  It comes from an era where intelligent people thought that the best way to
program a computer was to have the computer conform to the general rules of
a natural human language, a day when it was recognized that poor language
design - C is a classic case of inept language design - results in a higher
programming error rate.

  These are lessons lost to the current generation of error prone software
developer.


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> It was quite appropriate for computers where the user interface was a
> teletype machine, where there was no editor, no CRT, no substantial
> memory.  Like the MITS ALTAIR.

  And C still interfaces to the world through this means.

  All of Linux interfaces to the world through this means.  Linux is
teletype like command line driven shit just below the semi-working GUI.


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Microsoft has done some interesting things with BASIC, but hardly
> unique.

> OS/9 had an incremental compiler and IDE back when Microsoft was still
> doing BASIC-IN-ROM for Commodore and Radio Shack.

  OS/9 died a long and lingering death.  It was another Unix clone that was
utterly destroyed by DOS.

  Unix - so bad it was roundly destroyed by the "quality" of DOS.

  AHAHAHHAHHAHAH


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> EMACs had an IDE  for LISP in the late 1970s, and for C in the early 1980s

  If you call a text editor an IDE.

  I don't.

  You seem to be forgetting smalltalk.


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Linux has had BASIC for over a decade and it doesn't even make the top 10
in terms of
> popularity.

  Linux has been garbage since the day it was created.  It's laughable that
you would use it as an example of anything.  Shows how desparate you are.



> > "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly produce a
windowed
> > UI that is integral to the final program.



"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Visual, as in IDE, similar to EMACs features developed in the early
> 1980s. This includes editor, debugger, and execution window, as well as
> windows for observing output, and....

  Emac's is a text editor.  Nothing like the graphical VB development
environment..


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Other IDEs included Borland's Turbo Pascal, Turbo C++, and Turbo
> Prolog.

  None of which exist fot Linux.   AHahahahahahahahaha...



"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> And of course Java had about 8 different IDEs, ranging from J++ to
> Symantic Visual Cafe to Visual Age Java to WebSphere and WebLogic to
> Eclipse, and let's not forget Sun's IDE.

  But then you have to program in Java, and Java is pretty damn pathetic and
doesn't hold a candle to VB.



> > There is very little you can't do well in VB.

"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Operating Systems?  Device Drivers?  Databases?

  All can be done in VB.  But lets see you write a device driver in Lisp.

  Ahahahahahahahaha



"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Yes, you could write these things in VB but they would be painfully
> slow.

  Depends on the device.


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
> Even Microsoft realized that the C Programmers got it right when they
> put each function in it's own file so that they could group similar
> functions together.

  Ahahahaahahahaha.... C programmers have never done this.  And if they do
they are morons.

  What C gets wrong (in an endless list of things it gets wrong), is
defaulting all module level local variables to have global scope.  This is t
he exact opposite behavour you want if you want to write robust
applications.

  Everything by default should be visible only within the module.  Only when
it is explicitly made public should a variable, procedure or object have
global scope.

  Most of C's default behaviour is completely brain dead.


"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote
>  Object oriented programming makes organizing
> applications easier, but putting all of the methods of a given class
> together means that you are pulling in help, initialization, error
> handling, and debug information into L1, L2 and physical memory.
> That's why Vista needs 1/2 gigabyte while Linux can run nicely in a
> few megabytes.

Ahahahahaha dumb....

Initialization code doesn't exist once for every object.  It exists once
only, and therefore doesnn't occupy much ram.



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2/8/2007 9:35:22 PM
"Tom Shelton" <tom_shelton@comcast.net> wrote
>  I just have always prefered the more concise and case
> sensitive nature of C-derived languages.

VB.net is equally concise while not being as sparse.

One area of improvement I strongly suggest is the addition of block type
checking.



0
2/8/2007 9:37:34 PM
"Peter KC6hlmann" <peter.koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:eqdfrp$99u$00$1@news.t-online.com...
: The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
:
: > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
: > <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
: >  wrote
: > on Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:48:00 -0500
: > <F4pyh.10651$4Q2.309@read1.cgocable.net>:
: >>
: >> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
: >> news:Xns98D0A163ADED8usenetjhartathcx@195.8.68.209...
: >>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
: >>> news:62pjs21jrb8vqkd9m4qo9f9kvjag7cpjhc@
: >>
: >>> > Except that I'm a software developer, and I use Visual Basic.
: >>
: >>
: >> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
: >>> Phew, glad you didn't call yourself a programmer :)
: >>
: >>   VB is pretty much a perfect language.
: >>
: >
: > OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
: > software language?
: >
: > Be specific.
: >
:
: The possibility that linux-sux /might/ be able to create a "hello world"
: type app with it *if* he were 10 times smarter than he is
: -- 

If VB is so bad then why was it chosen as the default macro language for
Open Office?



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NeddLudd (160)
2/8/2007 9:40:19 PM
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:30:57 -0500, Nedd Ludd <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote:


>"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>news:slrnesl9ku.ee5.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
>: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:07 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine
><ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>:
>: >OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>: >software language?
>:
>: >Be specific.
>:
>: Nothing.  Like every other implementation of BASIC with perhaps the
>exception
>: of the original dartmouth BASIC, VB is proprietary, non-portable, and tied
>: to a particular operating system and vendor.  BASIC without proprietary
>: extensions is a worthless piece of shit language.

>C++ without extentions is a total pain in the ass.  Being able to extend a
>language adds value.  Being able to extend C++ so you can create a GUI adds
>value to the C++ language.  The same goes for Basic.

What extensions to C++ are you talking about?
BASIC can't even do a block IF statement without extensions.

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aznomad.2 (622)
2/8/2007 9:44:16 PM
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:16:28 -0500, VistaEra did most oddly state:
> "SameAsB4" wrote
>> Are you apprasing Linux by being a dumber sock who defends Windows?
> 
>   Did you write that sentence when drunk you Shit Eating LinTurd?

Ying Guo's usually like that. Clarity of thought in his posts is
something he only recently achieved, and he's not sure if he likes it.
BTW, he's a WinTard.

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for him that his lameness keep shining through like a beacon for all
tards (e.g., SameAs$B4, Demon Spawn, Barbara's Pus$y, FredBot,
TGOOS, ......, etc)" -- Monkey-man identifies <jitter> as me, among
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and well-read? 
A: A tourist." -- Anonymous

"It would be offly hard for any of you to abuse me on usenet. Really. I
have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
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   "Consider that language a moment. 'Purposefully and materially
supported hostilities against the United States' is in the eye of the
beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly
impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by
this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a
hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other
part of the so-called 'War on Terror.'

   "If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be
deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the
United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against
Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall
you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House
members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize
investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same
designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them
up." -- William Rivers Pitt

"It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American
people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the
president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq,
and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections,
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godofodd1 (12)
2/8/2007 9:45:51 PM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrnesn6dg.l12.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:30:57 -0500, Nedd Ludd <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote:
:
:
: >"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
: >news:slrnesl9ku.ee5.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
: >: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:07 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine
: ><ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
: >:
: >: >OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
: >: >software language?
: >:
: >: >Be specific.
: >:
: >: Nothing.  Like every other implementation of BASIC with perhaps the
: >exception
: >: of the original dartmouth BASIC, VB is proprietary, non-portable, and
tied
: >: to a particular operating system and vendor.  BASIC without proprietary
: >: extensions is a worthless piece of shit language.
:
: >C++ without extentions is a total pain in the ass.  Being able to extend
a
: >language adds value.  Being able to extend C++ so you can create a GUI
adds
: >value to the C++ language.  The same goes for Basic.
:
: What extensions to C++ are you talking about?
: BASIC can't even do a block IF statement without extensions.

C++ can not create a GUI app without extensions.
C++ can not list a directory of files without extensions.
C++ is a PIA without extensions and that is why class libraries are
available.
Being able to extend a language is a feature that makes a language more
valuable whether it be C++ or BASIC.


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NeddLudd (160)
2/8/2007 9:55:20 PM
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:40:19 -0500, Nedd Ludd wrote:

> "Peter KC6hlmann" <peter.koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:eqdfrp$99u$00$1@news.t-online.com...

> : The possibility that linux-sux /might/ be able to create a "hello world"
> : type app with it *if* he were 10 times smarter than he is --
> 
> If VB is so bad then why was it chosen as the default macro language for
> Open Office?

To make it bug-compatible?

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none9 (349)
2/8/2007 10:19:26 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nedd Ludd
<NeddLudd@comcast.net>
 wrote
on Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:04:09 -0500
<kN2dnYGBlrPiDVbYnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@comcast.com>:
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in message
> news:f8lp94-52k.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
>: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
>: <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
>: >
>: >   VB is pretty much a perfect language.
>: >
>:
>: OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>: software language?
>:
>: Be specific.
>:
>
> I won't defend the 'perfect language' statement but VB works well as an
> application's macro language.  WordPerfect uses VB.

IIS (or a submodule implementing dynamic webpages loaded therein)
uses VB.  I believe that was the general context.

> When you record a macro
> in OpenOffice, the resulting code by default is VB.
> If VB is good enough for the Free Open Source community
> then you'd think VB would be good enough for the Linux community.
>

It would appear that OpenOffice uses several interpreters;
the one you're referring to is called "OpenOffice
Basic".  I am not clear enough on the details as to how
to differentiate this dialect from VB.  As far as I am
concerned, Basic is Basic, although some very old dialects
only allow 1-letter variables and require line numbers.

OOBasic has several glaring (though, as things go, minor)
problems as it stands.

[1] 'dim document as object'.  It is far from clear that
this should ever be necessary, though it depends on whether
one wants to work within a strongly-typed framework such
as Java/C++ or or a weakly-typed one as in Smalltalk.
The former would want 'dim document as Document'.
The latter would not need to declare a variable at all;
just assign to it.  I'll have to fire up Squeak to be sure.

[2] 'dispatcher.executeDispatch'.  The system should just call
uno:InsertText directly.  Granted, there may be reasons
for this internally, but it looks a bit schlocky here
from an aesthetic standpoint.

[3] args1(0).Name = 'Text'.  This is a "magic constant".
The macro recording has a lot of such constants.  Nor
is it clear when one can detect mistypings such as
args1(0).Name = 'Fubar'
args1(0).Value = 'Text'
and get diagnostic results that make sense.

[4] Because of [1] it is far from clear how easy it
might be, but there's no drop down for available methods.
There's no pop-up menu, either.

[5] Since this is a macro I'm not sure as to what
conditional constructs are supported by this Basic dialect.
Presumably, this is documented somewhere.  The macro
recorder just spits out stuff.

[6] It is far from clear whether one can simply say "New
Macro" and just start typing text.  Of course one can say
"Record Macro" and record, but that's not even close to
the same, any more than reading a book is the same as
reading the SGML, HTML, or XML source thereto.  To be fair,
not many will care about this option. :-)

To its credit it has a built in editor and debugger.  But
I've seen better, even from Microsoft; presumably this is
something that can be improved, especially if one can fold
Eclipse code in (though I have my own concerns therein;
Eclipse code plug-ins look complicated, if doable).

I'm also wondering if it is possible to retrofit other
environments such as Gambas, Eclipse, or JBuilder.
Windows has an advantage of sorts there: COM.  I don't
know if Bonobo would work here, or not.

Some of these are critiques of the language, some of the
environment, some of the recorder.  Take them as one will.
I don't know how well MS Office's macro recorder works.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/8/2007 10:24:20 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nedd Ludd
<NeddLudd@comcast.net>
 wrote
on Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:30:57 -0500
<rYqdnSQVkvBaC1bYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@comcast.com>:
> "AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
> news:slrnesl9ku.ee5.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
>: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:18:07 -0800, The Ghost In The Machine
> <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>:
>: >OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>: >software language?
>:
>: >Be specific.
>:
>: Nothing.  Like every other implementation of BASIC with perhaps the
> exception
>: of the original dartmouth BASIC, VB is proprietary, non-portable, and tied
>: to a particular operating system and vendor.  BASIC without proprietary
>: extensions is a worthless piece of shit language.
>
> C++ without extentions is a total pain in the ass.  Being able to extend a
> language adds value.  Being able to extend C++ so you can create a GUI adds
> value to the C++ language.  The same goes for Basic.
>
>: In ten years every single line of VB will be as worthless as code written
>: for MBASIC, Vax-BASIC, QuickBASIC, BASICA, etc.
>
> Open Office uses VB for its macro language.
>

Not on Linux (it *is* Basic, but not Visual).  Perhaps it
does on Windows, but if so, that's fine; that just means
it can plug into the COM "buss". ;-)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/8/2007 10:56:11 PM
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:55:20 -0500, Nedd Ludd <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote:
>C++ can not create a GUI app without extensions.
>C++ can not list a directory of files without extensions.
>C++ is a PIA without extensions and that is why class libraries are
>available.
>Being able to extend a language is a feature that makes a language more
>valuable whether it be C++ or BASIC.


You clearly don't know the difference between a library call and a 
proprietary language extension.  Argument with you is pointless.
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aznomad.2 (622)
2/8/2007 11:54:33 PM
"arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
> To make it bug-compatible?

  I find VB to be very stable and essentially bug free.  I have yet to
encounter a significant error.

 This is in stark contrast to the Linux Shit Stick where the OS can't even
manage to load itself, and 100% of the installs are broken, in the
experience of myself and everyone I know.  Together probably 100 installs.



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2/9/2007 12:01:26 AM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> What extensions to C++ are you talking about?
> BASIC can't even do a block IF statement without extensions.

I'm not sure what a block IF statement is.

Do you mean

if <condition> then <statement> endif

Or do you mean

if <condition then <statement> elseif <condition> elseif <condition> ....
endif

All versions of basic I have ever used have been capable of both of those
constructs.

If that isn't to your satisfaction then thre is always the case statement
which is childishly called "switch" in C and C++ computer language
abortions.





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2/9/2007 12:05:00 AM
"Nedd Ludd" <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote
> C++ can not create a GUI app without extensions.
> C++ can not list a directory of files without extensions.
> C++ is a PIA without extensions and that is why class libraries are
> available.

  C and C++ can neither do any in put or output without extensions.
Basicaly, without extensions they are useless.

  What is really funny is how the standard extensions for C and C++ come
with functions that when used, always leave a program open to stack overflow
security attacks.

  And gosh... Guess what.  90% of all of the security flaws that are
observed are the result of stack overflows.

  Surprise... Surprise... Surprise.....  And yet the fucking cocksuckers who
are guilty of foisting C and C++ upon the world go on blisfully keeping
these functions without modification in the standard IO Library for the
language.

  Such behaviour is criminal stupidity in my opinion.  A mass public
whipping is called for, with lots of blood and flecks of flying skin.



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2/9/2007 12:10:24 AM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

> 
>   I see you still have no response to the screen captures I posted

You mean your forty TOS violations from the other day?
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writer (25)
2/9/2007 12:11:52 AM
"The God of Odd Statements" > wrote in message >
> Ying Guo's usually like that. Clarity of thought in his posts is
> something he only recently achieved, and he's not sure if he likes it.
> BTW, he's a WinTard.

  I see you still have no response to the screen captures I posted showing
how Knoppix shit all over itself during it's install.

  Typical LinTurd.


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2/9/2007 12:12:19 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:01:26 -0500
<FMOyh.23528$Un.10893@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
>> To make it bug-compatible?
>
>   I find VB to be very stable and essentially bug free.  I have yet to
> encounter a significant error.
>
>  This is in stark contrast to the Linux Shit Stick where the OS can't even
> manage to load itself, and 100% of the installs are broken, in the
> experience of myself and everyone I know.  Together probably 100 installs.
>

Congratulations.  I knew you could botch it, if you really tried.

:-)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 12:17:02 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:10:24 -0500
<5VOyh.11791$4Q2.406@read1.cgocable.net>:
>
> "Nedd Ludd" <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote
>> C++ can not create a GUI app without extensions.
>> C++ can not list a directory of files without extensions.
>> C++ is a PIA without extensions and that is why class libraries are
>> available.
>
>   C and C++ can neither do any in put or output without extensions.
> Basicaly, without extensions they are useless.

Not sure STL counts as an extension here or not.
Whatchew talkin' about, Vista?

----8<   >8---

#include <iostream>
#include <fstream>

void catfile(const char * fname)
{
        std::ifstream outf(fname);

        std::string l;

        while(std::getline(outf,l).good())
        {
                std::cout << l << std::endl;
        }
}

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
        while(--argc > 0)
        {
                catfile(*++argv);
        }

        return 0;
}

----8<   >8---

Apart from an outputfile using std::ofstream, the changes
to open and write to a file are fairly trivial.  There
are also operators such as

outf << 1 << 2.0 << std::endl;

which unfortunately outputs

12.0 <newline>

but gives you an idea of how to use the operators.  This is
not an extension to C++, but a library which most C++
compiler/build packages include as a standard.

And yes, one can do

int i;
inpf >> i;

to read an integer from a character file.

>
>   What is really funny is how the standard extensions for C and C++ come
> with functions that when used, always leave a program open to stack overflow
> security attacks.

std::istream & std::istream::operator<<(char *) is a problem, yes.
No doubt C# has no such difficulties.

>
>   And gosh... Guess what.  90% of all of the security flaws that are
> observed are the result of stack overflows.

99%.  The rest are because idiots will click anything they see. :-)

>
>   Surprise... Surprise... Surprise.....  And yet the fucking cocksuckers who
> are guilty of foisting C and C++ upon the world go on blisfully keeping
> these functions without modification in the standard IO Library for the
> language.

Exactly.  We should all just use C# instead, and pay royalties to
Microsoft (since they developed the COOL language, long ago).

>
>   Such behaviour is criminal stupidity in my opinion.  A mass public
> whipping is called for, with lots of blood and flecks of flying skin.
>

My, you're getting all excited now.  I'd suggest a very cold shower.
Come back here when your skin's turned blue. :-)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 12:41:48 AM
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:12:19 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee Chaire,
and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
> "The God of Odd Statements" > wrote in message >
>> Ying Guo's usually like that. Clarity of thought in his posts is
>> something he only recently achieved, and he's not sure if he likes it.
>> BTW, he's a WinTard.
> 
>   I see you still have no response to the screen captures I posted showing
> how Knoppix shit all over itself during it's install.
> 
>   Typical LinTurd.

I'd comment, if I cared about Knoppix, but I don't give a shit.

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"Who booby-traps a dead end? That's just not right." -- Cordelia

>> Are you the Peter J Ross that I've heard so much about?
> 
> Probably. I'm the one who doesn't resort to forgery after losing an
> argument.

"You're the one with the extensive brain damage... okay I see. You're
gonna be easily to own them." -- PorchMonkey4Life: Not aware of too many
things. MID: <bf7xh.834$hH2.64@trnddc02>

At last! See Joxer The Mity Monkey on camera! Watch him freak out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WuaENGqz0

"And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly
wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept
private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses
she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID:
<cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>

The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you
have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" 
He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks

Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed:
"You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are
only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a
cop posing as an underage person online?
I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much.
Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are
awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the
public.
They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an
underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult
males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make
themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by
not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats.
Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit
about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it
where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance
towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to
meet the person, etc.
Lost control, didn't you?
Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots
of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if
they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the
gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They
are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky
almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID:
<H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
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2/9/2007 1:27:09 AM
> >Being able to extend a language is a feature that makes a language more
> >valuable whether it be C++ or BASIC.


"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> You clearly don't know the difference between a library call and a
> proprietary language extension.  Argument with you is pointless.

  Depends on the extension doesn't it?


0
2/9/2007 2:55:43 AM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> Not sure STL counts as an extension here or not.

  If not then we can establish that buffer overflow errors are built in part
of the C, C++ language.

  That's fine with me.  Piece of shit both languages are.  C++ much better
of course.



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2/9/2007 2:59:12 AM
VistaEra BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
> >  This is in stark contrast to the Linux Shit Stick where the OS can't
even
> > manage to load itself, and 100% of the installs are broken, in the
> > experience of myself and everyone I know.  Together probably 100
installs.


"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> Congratulations.  I knew you could botch it, if you really tried.

  And where is the hiden magic button that I press to get the OS to install
itself properly rather than Kacking all over itself?

  I note that you demanded I provide some screen captures illustrating how
Knoppix Kacked over itself during it's install.

  I note that you now have no comment and members of this sig have mostly
shut their mouthes.



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2/9/2007 3:01:38 AM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote in message
> You mean your forty TOS violations from the other day?

You Shit Lickers asked for them, you got what you asked for.

I see you are too much of a coward to respond to the question asked.

Typical Shit for Brains LinTard.


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2/9/2007 3:03:29 AM
"Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition" <inquisition@smof.org> wrote in
> I'd comment, if I cared about Knoppix, but I don't give a shit.

  Just as you don't care that the LinTurd OS is running your PC at half
speed, using VESA graphics and  Polled disk IO....


  Fucking Lintard Shit Lickers.



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2/9/2007 3:04:57 AM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

>> You mean your forty TOS violations from the other day?
> 
> You Shit Lickers asked for them, you got what you asked for.

Nobody asked you to violate TOS.  Feel free to prove me wrong with a 
message ID.
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writer (25)
2/9/2007 3:06:59 AM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Nobody asked you to violate TOS.

  Not that I fucking well give a shit.  Nevertheless I was asked to provide
snapshots and did.  Now the LinTurds are running away from the light like
the Dung Eating CockRoaches they are.



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2/9/2007 3:35:54 AM
VistaSheep barfed up this disgusting mess:

>> Nobody asked you to violate TOS.
> 
>   Not that I fucking well give a shit.

Minimizing your wrongdoings?  Tsk, tsk.

>  Nevertheless I was asked to provide snapshots and did.

You could have uploaded them to a free image repository and then posted the 
URLs here.  Alternatively, you could have uploaded them to a binary group 
and then posted the message IDs here.

But no, you had to be a goddamn network abuser, because you're a fucktarded 
asshole with no respect for the rules you agreed to abide by when you 
signed up for Internet access.
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writer (25)
2/9/2007 3:51:40 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:59:12 -0500
<gnRyh.23544$Un.1494@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> Not sure STL counts as an extension here or not.
>
>   If not then we can establish that buffer overflow errors are built in part
> of the C, C++ language.
>
>   That's fine with me.  Piece of shit both languages are.  C++ much better
> of course.
>

Ooooh, your handlers are not going to like that.
The correct answer is COOL or C#, although VB.NET would
also have been acceptable (.NET supports over 20 different
languages).

You'll need to go back to Redmond for retraining.

:-)

(Personally, I prefer Java.)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 3:54:48 AM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> Ooooh, your handlers are not going to like that.
> The correct answer is COOL or C#, although VB.NET would
> also have been acceptable (.NET supports over 20 different
> languages).

Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a failure.

When it first installed it tried to reboot and died.  Then after a manual
reboot I was immediately met with a message saying that a program had
crashed.

Networking is non functional.
Network setup does not allow me to select a static IP.  When attempted it
takes the card off line, sets the IP to 0.0.0.0, and then sets the
card/driver to roaming mode whatever that is.

No network connectivity, no updates.  No web access, no nothing.

Pretty much useless.

Getting close to 3 dozen Linux installs and not a single one has worked.

Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.


0
2/9/2007 6:11:43 AM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> Minimizing your wrongdoings?  Tsk, tsk.

You got what was asked for.  Don't like it, stick it up your ass, so you can
see it better.


"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> You could have uploaded them to a free image repository

  Yadda, Yadda Yadda... You seem very intent on ignoring the content of the
images given to you.

  Ahahahahahahahaha... You are so pathetic.


"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> But no, you had to be a goddamn network abuser......

   Ahahahahahahahahahah.... My heart cries for you.
Aahahahahahahahahahahaha




0
2/9/2007 6:38:23 AM
VistaEra barfed up this disgusting mess:

>> Minimizing your wrongdoings?  Tsk, tsk.
> 
> You got what was asked for.

STILL trying to justify your network abuse, wintard?
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writer (25)
2/9/2007 6:48:48 AM
"malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
> STILL trying to justify your network abuse, wintard?

You are still trying to ignore yet another spectacular failure of the Linux
OS.

Ahahahahahahahahah  Stupid Shit Sucking LinTards.



0
2/9/2007 7:03:36 AM
VistaEra wrote:
> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
>> Minimizing your wrongdoings?  Tsk, tsk.
>
> You got what was asked for.  Don't like it, stick it up your ass, so
> you can see it better.
>
>
> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
>> You could have uploaded them to a free image repository
>
>  Yadda, Yadda Yadda... You seem very intent on ignoring the content
> of the images given to you.
>

Most news servers automatically delete images and other binaries posted 
to non-binary groups. It's likely most people didn't even *see* the post 
in question.

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2/9/2007 7:57:07 AM
"Nedd Ludd" <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote in
news:p8udnd6wgJT3D1bYnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com: 

> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> news:Xns98D18A687D790usenetjhartathcx@195.8.68.207...
>: "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in
>: news:joryh.10673$4Q2.4328@read1.cgocable.net:
>:
>: >
>: > "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>: >> OK, I'll bite.  What makes VB so good as a computer
>: >> software language?
>: >
>: > It's powerful, easy to use, provides robust methods of
>: > encapsulation, defaults are set properly, suitable for virtually
>: > any computing application, although since it performs integer
>: > overflow checks on after every integer operation it is
>: > unfortunatlely slower than languages like C# which allow operations
>: > to occurr which produce out of bounds results.
>: >
>: > VB is not just the language of course, that's just the "B" part of
>: > "VB", the "V" part provides all of the graphical tools to rapidly
>: > produce a windowed UI that is integral to the final program.
>: >
>: > There is very little you can't do well in VB.
>: >
>: Device drivers
>: Operating systems
> 
> True
> 
>: Spreadsheets
> 
> Why not?

I knew someone who tried it, it was dog slow.  The problem was the 
calculations needed every time a cell was changed.  It had to check every 
formula to see if the changed cell is used and if so recalculate and 
redisplay.

Maybe it was just that implementation, I didn't look at the code, but 
trying to update a sheet with more than a couple of dozen formulas was 
painful.

> 
>: Any Object oriented programming
> 
> VB has some OO characteristics in that it supports objects, methods
> and properties so you can do some object oriented programming.  VB
> isn't a 100% OO compliant language though.
> 
Last I tried was VB5, it did have some OO features, but even they seemed 
clunky, like they were bolted on as afterthoughts.

> Isn't OO programming more a means to an end than an end in and of
> itself? 
> 
Yep, but once you become proficient in it, using languages that don't 
support it is a pain.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/9/2007 8:46:25 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in news:JcKyh.23499$Un.17940
@read2.cgocable.net:

> 
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
>> You should really take a look at the lazarus project
>> http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/
>>
>> It's what Kylix should have been.
> 
> Lazarus was started in February of 1999 and is still not completed.
> 
So?

Windows was started in October 1985 and is still not completed.

Stupid, Stupid Wintard.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/9/2007 9:02:21 AM
"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> I knew someone who tried it, it was dog slow.  The problem was the
> calculations needed every time a cell was changed.  It had to check every
> formula to see if the changed cell is used and if so recalculate and
> redisplay.

Look at it this way.  Spreadsheets came into existance with the first
generation of 4.77 Mhz PC's.  Chips that used something like 8 cycles on
average to execute an instruction.  This means an execution rate of about
..5mhz.  Today machines are available that are almost a half million times
faster.  Interpreted basic can be several hundred to several thousand times
slower than direct machine code, and a compiled language perhaps 10 times
slower - 2 to 4 typically for C, slower than optimized machine code.   So a
compiled basic program if written properly should run at about the same
speed as 300 Mhz PC running optimized ML, or about 4800  times faster than
the original PC spreadsheets.

There is more than enough speed there if the sheet is implemented properly,
which clearly the sheet you looked at wasn't.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Maybe it was just that implementation, I didn't look at the code, but
> trying to update a sheet with more than a couple of dozen formulas was
> painful.

  Undoubtedly the program was actually storing the sheet data in the grid
tool.  Moving it back and forth as the calculations required.  That is
highly inefficient of course because the grid tool will store all of it's
data in ASCII internally just like every other display tool.  Every time you
extract it or reference it in a calculation the grid tool is performing a
complex ASCII to Float (probably) conversion.  and then back again.

  The grid tool is for displaying.

"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Last I tried was VB5, it did have some OO features, but even they seemed
> clunky, like they were bolted on as afterthoughts.

It does OO in it's own way which I presume was easier for the language to
accommodate.


> > Isn't OO programming more a means to an end than an end in and of
> > itself?

"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
> Yep, but once you become proficient in it, using languages that don't
> support it is a pain.

  Nonsense.  If you need to use OO programming methods then you don't know
what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.

  I remember writing some recursive procedures in a early version of
Microsoft Basic that didn't support recusive procedures.  The "trick" was
simply to make all variables, arrays, and then manually track the recursion
level and use that as an index in the array.

  OO isn't significantly different, particularly for languages like C and
C++ and even machine code where you have direct access to pointers and data
areas, and are able to allocate your own memory blocks etc.



0
2/9/2007 9:55:49 AM
> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote
> Lazarus was started in February of 1999 and is still not completed.

"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> So?

> Windows was started in October 1985 and is still not completed.
>
> Stupid, Stupid Wintard.

Windows 1 was complete with the introduction of W95.  W95 was complete with
the introduction of Windows 2000, Windows 2000, is complete with the
introduction of Vista.

8 years of development is a long time to have a relatively small project go
unfinished.



0
2/9/2007 10:00:31 AM
"EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote
> Most news servers automatically delete images and other binaries posted
> to non-binary groups. It's likely most people didn't even *see* the post
> in question.

  I know, much to do about nothing.  I presume those who asked for the
images can.

  Unless the LinTards were being  disingenuous Dung Eaters.

  The lack of response speaks volumes.

..


0
2/9/2007 10:03:32 AM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:03:32 -0500, VistaJustWorks did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> "EvilBill" wrote
>> Most news servers automatically delete images and other binaries posted
>> to non-binary groups. It's likely most people didn't even *see* the post
>> in question.
> 
>   I know, much to do about nothing.  I presume those who asked for the
> images can.
> 
>   Unless the LinTards were being  disingenuous Dung Eaters.
> 
>   The lack of response speaks volumes.

This "LinTard" wasn't answering due to lack of interest in Knoppix. Not
all Linux users have the same needs.

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that the real path of enlightenment is paved with forgiveness and
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"In fact, Jesus said something about that, I do believe. He said, "Knock
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2/9/2007 10:06:02 AM
"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corny> wrote
> This "LinTard" wasn't answering due to lack of interest in Knoppix. Not
> all Linux users have the same needs.

  Have you noticed the lack of interest in Linux?

  Let me tell  you a little secret.  Most people haven't heard of it, and
those who have near universally think it's a piece of shit.

  But there are always Tards who will purchase any oll crap.  They make up
about 2% of the population and surprise, surprise, the LinTard OS
constitutes less than 2% of the OS market.

  Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha    LinTards.



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2/9/2007 10:58:10 AM
"VistaJustWorks" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:cyXyh.23563$Un.20563@read2.cgocable.net: 

> 
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Lazarus was started in February of 1999 and is still not completed.
> 
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
>> So?
> 
>> Windows was started in October 1985 and is still not completed.
>>
>> Stupid, Stupid Wintard.
> 
> Windows 1 was complete with the introduction of W95.

False.  Windows 1 was abandoned with the introduction of W95.

Besides, you're forgetting the introduction of Win32s, which bridged the 
gap between the 16 and 32bit versions of windows.

> W95 was complete
> with the introduction of Windows 2000, Windows 2000, is complete with
> the introduction of Vista.
> 
What a load of bollox, Windows 2000 was a continuation of Windows NT.

Windows NT -> Windows 2000 -> Windows XP -> Windows Vista.

1992 to 2007.

> 8 years of development is a long time to have a relatively small
> project go unfinished.
> 
15 years is a long time for the current version of windows to go 
unfinished.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/9/2007 11:04:42 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ICKyh.23504$Un.22546
@read2.cgocable.net:

> 
> "Au79" <au79@789.edu> wrote
>> All MS products are trash dreamt out of a trailer park.
> 
> And run by 98% of the computers on Earth.
> 
Hardly.  88% of x86 Desktop machines maybe.

> Ahahahahahahahahhahaha
> 
> Unix was destroyed by DOS.
> 
Stupid, Stupid Wintard.

> Ahahahahahahahahahahah
> 
Hysterical too.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/9/2007 11:08:45 AM
"VistaJustWorks" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:OtXyh.12304$4Q2.9493@read1.cgocable.net: 

> 
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
>> I knew someone who tried it, it was dog slow.  The problem was the
>> calculations needed every time a cell was changed.  It had to check
>> every formula to see if the changed cell is used and if so
>> recalculate and redisplay.
> 
> Look at it this way.  Spreadsheets came into existance with the first
> generation of 4.77 Mhz PC's.

And used optimised assembler routines for memory access.

> Chips that used something like 8 cycles
> on average to execute an instruction.  This means an execution rate of
> about .5mhz.

Are you sure?  Who'd have thought that a 4.77Mhz processor would have an 
execution rate of around 5 Mhz.

Personally, I'd have thought it would have an execution rate of a little 
under 5 Mhz, maybe 4.77 Mhz or so.

> Today machines are available that are almost a half
> million times faster.

And todays operating systems consume many more resources than MSDos 3.

> Interpreted basic can be several hundred to
> several thousand times slower than direct machine code, and a compiled
> language perhaps 10 times slower - 2 to 4 typically for C, slower than
> optimized machine code.

> So a compiled basic program if written
> properly should run at about the same speed as 300 Mhz PC running
> optimized ML, or about 4800  times faster than the original PC
> spreadsheets. 
> 
What exactly are you basing those figures on?

> There is more than enough speed there if the sheet is implemented
> properly, which clearly the sheet you looked at wasn't.
> 
Quite possibly, as I said, I didn't look at the code, so I can't say.

> 
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
>> Maybe it was just that implementation, I didn't look at the code, but
>> trying to update a sheet with more than a couple of dozen formulas
>> was painful.
> 
>   Undoubtedly the program was actually storing the sheet data in the
>   grid 
> tool.  Moving it back and forth as the calculations required.  That is
> highly inefficient of course because the grid tool will store all of
> it's data in ASCII internally just like every other display tool. 
> Every time you extract it or reference it in a calculation the grid
> tool is performing a complex ASCII to Float (probably) conversion. 
> and then back again. 
> 
>   The grid tool is for displaying.
> 
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
>> Last I tried was VB5, it did have some OO features, but even they
>> seemed clunky, like they were bolted on as afterthoughts.
> 
> It does OO in it's own way which I presume was easier for the language
> to accommodate.
> 
Sure, by missing out some features and implementing the rest in a way 
that's different to all other OO languages.


> 
>> > Isn't OO programming more a means to an end than an end in and of
>> > itself?
> 
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote
>> Yep, but once you become proficient in it, using languages that don't
>> support it is a pain.
> 
>   Nonsense.  If you need to use OO programming methods then you don't
>   know 
> what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.
> 
Wanna try that one again in english?

>   I remember writing some recursive procedures in a early version of
> Microsoft Basic that didn't support recusive procedures.  The "trick"
> was simply to make all variables, arrays, and then manually track the
> recursion level and use that as an index in the array.
> 
That's got to be the most brain dead way of going about it that I've ever 
heard.  It's no wonder you think VB is the best thing since sliced bread.

Here's a free clue, each iteration of the routine only needs storage for 
its own variables and its parents.

>   OO isn't significantly different, particularly for languages like C
>   and 
> C++ and even machine code where you have direct access to pointers and
> data areas, and are able to allocate your own memory blocks etc.
> 
You know, you're showing your cluelessness with every sentence.
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usenet5048 (1061)
2/9/2007 1:23:03 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, EvilBill
<quake2lives@gmail.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:57:07 -0000
<532nqdF1ptq2eU2@mid.individual.net>:
> VistaEra wrote:
>> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
>>> Minimizing your wrongdoings?  Tsk, tsk.
>>
>> You got what was asked for.  Don't like it, stick it up your ass, so
>> you can see it better.
>>
>>
>> "malscribe" <writer@rotted.pencil> wrote
>>> You could have uploaded them to a free image repository
>>
>>  Yadda, Yadda Yadda... You seem very intent on ignoring the content
>> of the images given to you.
>>
>
> Most news servers automatically delete images and other binaries posted 
> to non-binary groups. It's likely most people didn't even *see* the post 
> in question.
>
> -- 

I saw them...in their original uuencoded form, no less.  I guess
free.teranews.com doesn't censor itself in that fashion. :-)

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 2:46:38 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaJustWorks
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:00:31 -0500
<cyXyh.23563$Un.20563@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
>> "VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Lazarus was started in February of 1999 and is still not completed.
>
> "Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
>> So?
>
>> Windows was started in October 1985 and is still not completed.
>>
>> Stupid, Stupid Wintard.
>
> Windows 1 was complete with the introduction of W95.  W95
> was complete with the introduction of Windows 2000,
> Windows 2000, is complete with the introduction of Vista.

Does anyone else sense a certain disconnect here?

>
> 8 years of development is a long time to have a relatively
> small project go unfinished.
>

40+ million lines of code is "small".  OK, got it.

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 2:47:38 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaEra
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 9 Feb 2007 01:11:43 -0500
<KbUyh.23554$Un.21894@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> Ooooh, your handlers are not going to like that.
>> The correct answer is COOL or C#, although VB.NET would
>> also have been acceptable (.NET supports over 20 different
>> languages).
>
> Just finished installing Ubuntu Feisty Desktop.   The install is a failure.
>

[snip]

> Linux is one fucking pile of Crap.
>

OK, but we were discussing languages, not your experiences
with installations.

Do you prefer Visual Basic, VB.NET, or C#?

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 2:48:42 PM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<AAKyh.23503$Un.9197@read2.cgocable.net>:

>
>"SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> What are you talking about? Linux is very cool except that the 
people will
>> never unite.
>
>  Linux can't even install itself.
>

And then after booting a fresh install of winblows you see:
"windows protection error
missing c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd"

>  It's useless Crap.
>
M$'s been a boon to the virus writers...

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/9/2007 3:33:08 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<foYyh.12313$4Q2.6425@read1.cgocable.net>:

>
>"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corny> 
wrote
>> This "LinTard" wasn't answering due to lack of interest in Knoppix. 
Not
>> all Linux users have the same needs.
>
>  Have you noticed the lack of interest in Linux?
>
>  Let me tell  you a little secret.  Most people haven't heard of it, 
and
>those who have near universally think it's a piece of shit.
>
>  But there are always Tards who will purchase any oll crap.

You *buy* your linux?
Heh...hey dimmy: its FREE.


  They make up
>about 2% of the population and surprise, surprise, the LinTard OS
>constitutes less than 2% of the OS market.
>
>  Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha    LinTards.
>
>
Enjoy your perpetual unpaid beta tester status, microsucker :)

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snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/9/2007 3:35:28 PM
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:05:00 -0500, VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:



>"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
>> What extensions to C++ are you talking about?
>> BASIC can't even do a block IF statement without extensions.

>I'm not sure what a block IF statement is.

>Do you mean

>if <condition> then <statement> endif

>Or do you mean

>if <condition then <statement> elseif <condition> elseif <condition> ....
>endif

>All versions of basic I have ever used have been capable of both of those
>constructs.

Yes, and every single version has done it differently as there is no standard.
The's the problem.  By the time you make up constructs to do everything
that BASIC hasn't got, you're left with a proprietary language that is at
most about 3% BASIC and 97% something else made up by the vendor.  




>If that isn't to your satisfaction then thre is always the case statement
>which is childishly called "switch" in C and C++ computer language
>abortions.

At least it's well defined and understood.  I don't have to look up the vendor's
how to's for every version of C I use.  That's the whole point of having
language standards, something that seems entirely lost on you.





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aznomad.2 (622)
2/9/2007 3:45:49 PM
> "VistaJustWorks" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > Chips that used something like 8 cycles
> > on average to execute an instruction.  This means an execution rate of
> > about .5mhz.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> Are you sure?  Who'd have thought that a 4.77Mhz processor would have an
> execution rate of around 5 Mhz.

  Register to register moves took 2 cycles, immediate to register 4, from
memory 8+EA cycles, Mem to reg 9+EA, Memory from immediate 10+EA cycles,
JMP reg 11 cycles, Jump <Address> 15 cycles.  Multiply 70 to 118 cycles.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> Personally, I'd have thought it would have an execution rate of a little
> under 5 Mhz, maybe 4.77 Mhz or so.

  I don't remember if my typical cycle times were 8 or 11 cycles on average,
but multicycle instructions were used by all CPU's at the time.  They still
are of course, but the average cycle time is reduced by pushing everything
though a pipeline.

  The 8086 had no pipeline, It had a short instruction queue but no internal
pipeline.


> > Today machines are available that are almost a half
> > million times faster.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> And todays operating systems consume many more resources than MSDos 3.

  Not relevant to this discussion since we are discussing a language not an
OS.

  Try and keep your mind in focus Jamie.


> > Interpreted basic can be several hundred to
> > several thousand times slower than direct machine code, and a compiled
> > language perhaps 10 times slower - 2 to 4 typically for C, slower than
> > optimized machine code.
>
> > So a compiled basic program if written
> > properly should run at about the same speed as 300 Mhz PC running
> > optimized ML, or about 4800  times faster than the original PC
> > spreadsheets.



"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> What exactly are you basing those figures on?

  Familiarity with the code generated by various compilers and with
compilers in general.  Experience with programming in machine code, etc.


> > There is more than enough speed there if the sheet is implemented
> > properly, which clearly the sheet you looked at wasn't.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> Quite possibly, as I said, I didn't look at the code, so I can't say.

  I have, so I can.





> > It does OO in it's own way which I presume was easier for the language
> > to accommodate.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> Sure, by missing out some features and implementing the rest in a way
> that's different to all other OO languages.

  I don't think it's really missing anything.  You have operator overloading
(operator extension), and polymorphism (function name overlays), automatic
initialization and cleanup calls, and set and get methods for robust data
encapsulation.  Etc.  It's all there.


> >   Nonsense.  If you need to use OO programming methods then you don't
> >   know  what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.
> >

"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> Wanna try that one again in english?

Sure...If you need to use OO programming methods, then you don't
know  what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.


> >   I remember writing some recursive procedures in a early version of
> > Microsoft Basic that didn't support recusive procedures.  The "trick"
> > was simply to make all variables, arrays, and then manually track the
> > recursion level and use that as an index in the array.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> That's got to be the most brain dead way of going about it that I've ever
> heard.  It's no wonder you think VB is the best thing since sliced bread.

  The point is, this provided recursion in a language for which recursion
was not supported.

  There is simply no choice in this instance, you do it this way, or you
don't do it at all.

  Now if the language had of supported structures then I would have put all
of the variables into a structure and then created an array of structures
and indexed on those.  By doing so I could move the index calculation from
each variable reference to the start of the recursive block and use it to
return the desired structure reference and then use the variable names to
offset from that location.  Would have sped things up to that of standard
recursive methods.

  Now take your recursive index  and avoid using it for recursion.  Use it
as a data instance for the code.  Move the code into a separate procedure
and pass the instance parameter with all of your calls to the procedure.

  Now you have an object.

If you can re-dim your array, then you can write some companion procedures
to create and destroy array instances. And even automatically call a default
initialization procedure for the creation and a default cleanup procedure
when destruction of those array elements.

  Things are looking pretty OOP at this point.  Overloading of course
requires more than data structure manipulation.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> Here's a free clue, each iteration of the routine only needs storage for
> its own variables and its parents.

  Correct Tard.  And that's why you define those variables in the recursive
procedure as arrays.  I thought I made this very clear.


> >   OO isn't significantly different, particularly for languages like C
> >   and
> > C++ and even machine code where you have direct access to pointers and
> > data areas, and are able to allocate your own memory blocks etc.


"Jamie Hart" <usenet@jhart.ath.cx> wrote in message
> You know, you're showing your cluelessness with every sentence.

Ahahahahahahahahah..... You can't follow any of this can you LinTard?


Ahahahahahahahahahahahah  Well I enjoyed the review even if it was a few
dozen feet over your head.




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2/9/2007 7:39:33 PM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> OK, but we were discussing languages, not your experiences
> with installations.

You couldn't stay on topic and started yammering about trips to Redmond.


0
2/9/2007 7:41:21 PM
VistaJustWorks wrote:
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> 
>>OK, but we were discussing languages, not your experiences
>>with installations.
> 
> 
> You couldn't stay on topic and started yammering about trips to Redmond.
> 
> 

What was that, Saucer Boy?

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jabailo (8241)
2/9/2007 7:45:09 PM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >if <condition then <statement> elseif <condition> elseif <condition> ....
> >endif
>
> >All versions of basic I have ever used have been capable of both of those
> >constructs.


"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> Yes, and every single version has done it differently as there is no
standard.
> The's the problem.

Well, no.  Every version of basic has supported the elseif statement in
exactly the same manner, or not at all in the case of some very, very early
implementations.


"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> By the time you make up constructs to do everything that BASIC hasn't got,
you're
> left with a proprietary language that is at most about 3% BASIC and 97%
something else
> made up by the vendor.

  To the extent that C++ is different than C, you are correct.

  The simple fact of the matter is that the primary difficulty in porting
old versions of basic to newer versions, exclusing I/O differences, is the
disintangling of local vs global variable references.


> >If that isn't to your satisfaction then thre is always the case statement
> >which is childishly called "switch" in C and C++ computer language
> >abortions.

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
> At least it's well defined and understood.

  One near equivalent to early basics would be OnGoto or OnGosub.  You need
to do some rapid pre-testing to convert your target to an index of course,
and then use the array to specify the desired destination code to execute.

  If you are testing a character, it is most convenient to use the instr()
function to do the translation.


"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote
>  I don't have to look up the vendor's how to's for every version of C I
use.  That's the
> whole point of having language standards, something that seems entirely
lost on you.

Really?  Are you characters 7 bits?  8 bits?  16 Bits?  Larger?  Don't you
know.

How about your integers?  Is int signed on your compiler or is it unsigned?
How wide is it? 8 bits? 16? 24? 32 bits?  64 bits?

You don't have to check with your vendor ay?

How about converting an ASCII string to a float.  Ever use the canned STDIO
library functions for that?  Are they prone to buffer overflows?  They are
in virtually all versions of the C/C++ language.

Think you should check with your language details and find out?

Does your >> operator perform a logical or arithmatic shift?  Which is not
specified in the C standard, and is compiler specific.

Can you convert a pointer to an integer on your compiler?  OOpsie, that's a
compiler specific operation as well.

How about subtracting two pointers... What size is that variable?  Not
defined in the C standard.  You've never subtracted two pointes before to
find the distance that separates them?


Ahahahahahahahahaah.....   Fucking ignorant C/C++ programmers.  Completely
clueless  Tards......

Exactly like LinTards and UniTards.



0
2/9/2007 8:02:49 PM
"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
> And then after booting a fresh install of winblows you see:
> "windows protection error
> missing c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd"

Nope, never had any mising files or applcaitions crashing after installing
Windows.

It just never happens.

But LinTards do like to pretend.



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2/9/2007 8:11:29 PM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrnesne1p.n9s.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:55:20 -0500, Nedd Ludd <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote:
: >C++ can not create a GUI app without extensions.
: >C++ can not list a directory of files without extensions.
: >C++ is a PIA without extensions and that is why class libraries are
: >available.
: >Being able to extend a language is a feature that makes a language more
: >valuable whether it be C++ or BASIC.
:
:
: You clearly don't know the difference between a library call and a
: proprietary language extension.  Argument with you is pointless.

Clarify.

STL could be a grey area but since the 'S' stands for Standard, lets call it
part of the language.
If it isn't defined by Stroustrup or in STL then it is an extension.
Stroustrup C++ does not address GUI, directories or multi threading nor does
the STL.


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NeddLudd (160)
2/9/2007 9:24:36 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, John Bailo
<jabailo@texeme.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:45:09 -0800
<yIWdneSEPpreUlHYnZ2dnUVZ_uHinZ2d@speakeasy.net>:
> VistaJustWorks wrote:
>> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> 
>>>OK, but we were discussing languages, not your experiences
>>>with installations.
>> 
>> 
>> You couldn't stay on topic and started yammering about trips to Redmond.
>> 
>> 
>
> What was that, Saucer Boy?
>

He does have a point.  In the future, we shall not deviate from topic.

So....it appears that VistaSomething is claiming
that VB is the perfect language, as it is/has/allows:

- arbitrary method calls on objects
- simple syntax
- ubiquitous

Arbitrary method calls:

  Given an object of *any* type, one can attempt a method
  call on it of *any* name and signature.  I'm not sure
  precisely where it is checked, but presumably

  obj.call(par1,par2)

  will yield a run-time error but not a compile-time error
  if there is a mismatch.  Contrast this with Java and C++.

  Java:

    Java has partial support for method calls, partly because
    it is required to handle the NoSuchMethodException.  In
    short, if a module call another class, which has mutated,
    it needs to do something intelligent about it.  Java's
    solution is the aforementioned exception.

    I suspect C# does something similar but would have to check.

  C++:

    C++ is very unintelligent; if one changes a signature for
    a non-virtual call in a module, the call will go through but
    mess up the parameters.  If one's lucky one might get a very
    weird-looking integer which is actually a pointer.  If one's
    less lucky one will get a segmentation violation because an
    integer got passed to a pointer.  If one's very unlucky one
    will get part of the return stack which isn't supposed to be
    there, and the entire program goes down because of callstack
    corruption.

    Virtual calls are even worse, as they can be reordered during
    compilation.  One might end up calling an entirely different
    function!

Simple syntax

  Well, it's pretty hard to wedge up the syntax, but it's
  clear that Basic is simpler than C++ when it comes to
  method calls.  Contrast

  obj.call(par1,par2)

  with C++'s

  obj.call<T>(par1,par2)

  where T is a disambiguating type.  (T is only really
  needed if obj is an expanded template.)

Ubiquitous

  Everyone has it, if one has Windows.  In Linux, one
  might make similar claims regarding Bash, and to a lesser
  (but still considerable) extent, Python.

So...is this a fair representation?

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Useless C++ Programming Idea #2239120:
void f(char *p) {char *q = p; strcpy(p,q); }

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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ewill5 (11075)
2/9/2007 10:02:07 PM
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:39:33 -0500, VistaJustWorks did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
> "Jamie Hart" wrote
>> >   Nonsense.  If you need to use OO programming methods then you don't
>> >   know  what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.
>>
>> Wanna try that one again in english?
> 
> Sure...If you need to use OO programming methods, then you don't know 
> what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.

Don't you mean, "If you need to use OO programming methods, then you
don't know what you are doing when you are *not* writing an OO program"?
Or are you using a language other than English for your grammar, where
two completely opposite meanings can be represented by the same word(s)?

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2/9/2007 10:42:18 PM
VistaJustWorks did the cha-cha, and
> > Sure...If you need to use OO programming methods, then you don't know
> > what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.

"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corny> wrote
> Don't you mean, "If you need to use OO programming methods, then you
> don't know what you are doing when you are *not* writing an OO program"?
> Or are you using a language other than English for your grammar, where
> two completely opposite meanings can be represented by the same word(s)?

There is nothing contradictory in my sentence at all.  Your interpretive
context is simply wrong.

Let me make it simple for you boy.  OO methods or similar replacement
constructs can be built from within almost any language.

I've used OO constructs from within machine language, interpretive basics,
and C.  I create those constructs where needed.  If a language is OO it can
be more convenient but if you "need" to use OO, then you probably don't know
enough about what OO is doing behind the scenes to implement it yourself.

I find C++ to be quite laughable in many respects because here you have this
language C, which is is the Nader of programming languages, and at it's core
holds an ideology that is the antithisis of OO, and then  you bolt OO onto
it so that the language is skitzoid.  In some places it's designed in such a
manner as to actively work against program correctness, and in other areas
the (new C++ stuff) designed to assist in program correctness.

It's Brain Dead. All of it.

VB, particularly VB.Net is about as good as it gets.  Although there is
still some room for improvement.



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2/9/2007 11:52:18 PM
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
> : You clearly don't know the difference between a library call and a
> : proprietary language extension.  Argument with you is pointless.


"Nedd Ludd" <NeddLudd@comcast.net> wrote
> Clarify.

 A new keword is added to the language "swap" which swaps two variables with
the syntax A swap B.  You can implement swap(A,B) within a library extension
but first, it will not be implemented with inline code, but will be
implemented as a function call.  And 2, the syntax is different.

 A new default behaviour is defined such that A = B++ +C + --B is
implemented such that it is equivalent to

--B
A = B + C + B
B++

rather than the compiler deciding when and how the increments/decrements
should take place.
This can not be performed with a library call.

  But you are correct in that a Library, particularly a standard library,
and especially a standard IO library is part of the language.

  This tells us that since "gets" is a standard part of the C/C++ languages
then the languages themselves are fundamentally flawed and when used by the
intended design rules, generate buffer overflow failures from a large number
of the built in functions.

  It doesn't take a brilliant mind to realize that since over 80% of all
security attacks on PC's are buffer overflow exploits, that the C/C++
programming language design itself is the core failure that makes all of
this not only possible, but apparently desirable since the multiple failures
have existed in the language - recognized - for many decades.

C is Shit, and K & R should be summarily lynched in the streets for their
sheer ignorance.


0
2/10/2007 12:05:47 AM
"John Bailo" <jabailo@texeme.com> wrote
> What was that, Saucer Boy?

  We were talking about that stinky piece of shit you have stuck between
your teeth.



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2/10/2007 12:07:31 AM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> He does have a point.  In the future, we shall not deviate from topic.

  I simply note that you are the one who deviated, and then complained about
it.

  Ahahahahahahahah Stupid Lintard.

  By the way, what happened during the analysis of the screen captures that
you requested.

  It's been 4 days now, have you even looked at them?

  The Knoppix desktop filled with many, many duplicate CD icons.

  Another Linux OS install failure.

  Rember that your Tardness?


0
2/10/2007 12:10:19 AM
"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
> You *buy* your linux?

No one purchases Linux.  But some people do purchase Unix.

This is why Linux is displacing Unix.

Both Linux and Unix are ancient, inefficient, user hostile operating systems
that generally don't work.

And that's why every day Windows takes more Market Share from the Linux/Unix
market.



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2/10/2007 12:28:46 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaJustWorks
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:10:19 -0500
<S_7zh.12355$4Q2.1776@read1.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> He does have a point.  In the future, we shall not deviate from topic.
>
>   I simply note that you are the one who deviated, and then complained about
> it.
>
>   Ahahahahahahahah Stupid Lintard.
>
>   By the way, what happened during the analysis of the screen captures that
> you requested.
>
>   It's been 4 days now, have you even looked at them?
>
>   The Knoppix desktop filled with many, many duplicate CD icons.
>
>   Another Linux OS install failure.
>
>   Rember that your Tardness?
>

Ah.  Was that a requirement for continued communication
with Your Vistaness?

So sorry.  I only have this incredibly decrepit and
ancient SLRN, which responds to keypresses rather than
the ultramodern procedure of moving my hand to this bar
of soap here, sliding it over, pressing a button, sliding
it some more, unpressing the button, and then hoping I've
picked the right menu...

Yeah, this ancient newsreader is so flaky.  It can't even do OpenGL.

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Linux.  An OS which actually, unlike certain other offerings, works.

-- 
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0
ewill5 (11075)
2/10/2007 1:40:38 AM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> Ah.  Was that a requirement for continued communication
> with Your Vistaness?

  If it was, you wouldn't be capable of responding now would you?

  I take it then that your motivation for requesting the screen caps was
what then if you didn't intend to look at them?


"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> So sorry.  I only have this incredibly decrepit and
> ancient SLRN, which responds to keypresses rather than
> the ultramodern procedure of moving my hand to this bar
> of soap here, sliding it over, pressing a button, sliding
> it some more, unpressing the button, and then hoping I've
> picked the right menu..

  Well if all you have is a crappy command line driven text based news
reader running on your crappy command line driven LinTurd OS, then I can
understand your limitation.

  The question is why you asked for screen captures that you knew your news
reader was incapable of displaying and that you knew you had no interst in
looking at?

  Ahahahahahahahaaha   Dishonest.. Dishonest.. LinTurd.


"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> Yeah, this ancient newsreader is so flaky.

  Exactly what everyone expects from Linux.

 Thanx for the confirmation.


0
2/10/2007 3:11:51 AM
In article <8g8zh.23631$Un.10511@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
......
>And that's why every day Windows takes more Market Share from the Linux/Unix
>market.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=6932
Linux server market share is expected to rise from 24% to 33% this year
with corresponding decrease in Windows server use.
Linux desktops are expected to double from 3% to 6% again, with
windows losing ground.

0
pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 3:18:18 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=6932
> Linux server market share is expected to rise from 24% to 33% this year
> with corresponding decrease in Windows server use.

  Oh, look.... The LinTurd is quoting from a some other LinTurd's Blog.

  Ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

  Ya that's a reliable source.....

  Ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

  The truth of course is that Linux is growing in the server market, but
only by displacing Unix.

  The first law of the Computer Era.  Unix eats it's own.


"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> Linux desktops are expected to double from 3% to 6% again, with
> windows losing ground.

  Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.....   The Blog... The Blog....

  Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah......



0
2/10/2007 3:27:01 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=6932
> Linux server market share is expected to rise from 24% to 33% this year
> with corresponding decrease in Windows server use.
> Linux desktops are expected to double from 3% to 6% again, with
> windows losing ground.

Oh, I forgot to add, that the quote is from JANUARY 31, 2005

Ahahahahahahaha... Never happened did it LinTurd?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahah.........

2 years later and Linux holds <2% of the desktop market and it has LOST
maket share to Windows in the server market as well.

Ahahahaahhahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahah.........

Stupid, fucking LinTards.



0
2/10/2007 3:31:29 AM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, VistaJustWorks
<BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:11:51 -0500
<1Fazh.23670$Un.9672@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> Ah.  Was that a requirement for continued communication
>> with Your Vistaness?
>
>   If it was, you wouldn't be capable of responding now would you?
>
>   I take it then that your motivation for requesting the screen caps was
> what then if you didn't intend to look at them?
>
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> So sorry.  I only have this incredibly decrepit and
>> ancient SLRN, which responds to keypresses rather than
>> the ultramodern procedure of moving my hand to this bar
>> of soap here, sliding it over, pressing a button, sliding
>> it some more, unpressing the button, and then hoping I've
>> picked the right menu..
>
>   Well if all you have is a crappy command line driven text based news
> reader running on your crappy command line driven LinTurd OS, then I can
> understand your limitation.

There are ways.  I've already posted responses to some of
your pictures.

>
>   The question is why you asked for screen captures that you knew your news
> reader was incapable of displaying and that you knew you had no interst in
> looking at?
>
>   Ahahahahahahahaaha   Dishonest.. Dishonest.. LinTurd.
>
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
>> Yeah, this ancient newsreader is so flaky.
>
>   Exactly what everyone expects from Linux.
>
>  Thanx for the confirmation.
>

You're welcome, moron.

-- 
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Linux.  Because it's there and it works.
Windows.  It's there, but does it work?

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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ewill5 (11075)
2/10/2007 3:36:14 AM
In article <eTazh.23671$Un.1643@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=6932
>> Linux server market share is expected to rise from 24% to 33% this year
>> with corresponding decrease in Windows server use.
>
>  Oh, look.... The LinTurd is quoting from a some other LinTurd's Blog.
......

The entry is quoting numbers from Business Week and included
the references. If this represents your reading comprehension,
then perhaps you should get someone to read to you as well as
install operating systems for you.


0
pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 3:50:34 AM
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote
> There are ways.  I've already posted responses to some of
> your pictures.

Not that I've seen.

More than likely a Linux or Unix error somewhere on the net.



0
2/10/2007 4:36:07 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
> The entry is quoting numbers from Business Week and included
> the references.

Ya, Business week 2005 - two years ago. and the Projections were dead wrong.

Ahahahahahahahaahah.......


Stupid LinTurd.



0
2/10/2007 4:37:28 AM
In article <hVbzh.12431$4Q2.692@read1.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
>> The entry is quoting numbers from Business Week and included
>> the references.
>
>Ya, Business week 2005 - two years ago. and the Projections were dead wrong.

Thank you for posting a more current reference
and your kind and insightful commentary.



0
pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 4:56:30 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
> Thank you for posting a more current reference
> and your kind and insightful commentary.

  It's your job to find current references.  Not mine.



0
2/10/2007 5:07:24 AM
In article <klczh.23684$Un.18790@read2.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
>> Thank you for posting a more current reference
>> and your kind and insightful commentary.
>
>  It's your job to find current references.  Not mine.

....looking at job description.....

No, I don't see that here at all.

If you want your assertions of market share and trends to
have more weight, then by all means post *your* references.
Or don't.



0
pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 5:37:02 AM
Daniel Packman wrote:

> In article <klczh.23684$Un.18790@read2.cgocable.net>,
> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
>>> Thank you for posting a more current reference
>>> and your kind and insightful commentary.
>>
>>  It's your job to find current references.  Not mine.
> 
> ...looking at job description.....
> 
> No, I don't see that here at all.
> 
> If you want your assertions of market share and trends to
> have more weight, then by all means post *your* references.
> Or don't.

This VistaJustaClown has no references and no need for civility. He/she/it
is just a juvenile moron hell-bent on finding a way to irritate anyone that
pays the slightest attention.


-- 
.....................
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
0
Au79
2/10/2007 6:06:11 AM
"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
> No, I don't see that here at all.

  Silly boy.  Looking to your employment contract to see how you should
conduct a logical argument.

  Silly AmeriKKKans.



0
2/10/2007 6:47:12 AM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<8g8zh.23631$Un.10511@read2.cgocable.net>:

>
>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> You *buy* your linux?
>
>No one purchases Linux.  But some people do purchase Unix.
>
Huh. Backpeddaling so soon?
Your words:
>  But there are always Tards who will purchase any oll crap.

Try to keep your story straight, microsucker :)

>This is why Linux is displacing Unix.
>
>Both Linux and Unix are ancient, inefficient, user hostile operating 
systems
>that generally don't work.
>

You're just afraid for your job. You see linux as a threat and so quite 
understandably you rail against it.
Maybe you (as a developer for that Redmond OS) should have taken 
security a tad more seriously over the years so that users wouldnt be 
so fed up with a crash-prone giant gaping anus of a security risk that 
is all things M$.
Just a thot :)


>And that's why every day Windows takes more Market Share from the 
Linux/Unix
>market.
>
You microsuckers are running scared because you've finally seen the 
future...and its not lookin good for you.

Oh yeah, and DRM is the straw thats breaking the metaphorical camels 
back, microsucker.


0
snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/10/2007 3:20:48 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile 
of<Yu4zh.23596$Un.16336@read2.cgocable.net>:

>
>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>> And then after booting a fresh install of winblows you see:
>> "windows protection error
>> missing c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd"
>
>Nope, never had any mising files or applcaitions crashing after 
installing
>Windows.
>
>It just never happens.
>

You just lost *all* credibility.
Congrats :)

>But LinTards do like to pretend.
>
>
Really? Got a driver for windows for this particular chipset?

Intel AGP 440EX 82443EX (8244EX/81371AB)

Funny how Intel wont support thier own chips under winblows.

Now tell me *again* how winblows "just works".

H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^

0
snuhwolf5150 (118)
2/10/2007 3:27:39 PM
VistaEra <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Linux - The never ready OS.
>
>Every once and a while I get the urge to check out the Linux Operating
>system. I've never been fully happy with Microsoft Windows and never happy
>with Microsoft as a company, and I am eager to switch to an OS which
>provides good or better performance and utility than experienced with
>Microsoft windows.
>
>Linux gets the most hype and while MacOS and Solaris are also potential
>candidates, they always lose out because 1. MacOS comes from a flake company
>who don't really produce computers, they produce Ipods, and Solaris has even

Again?

[screed flushed]

-- 
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
0
erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:54:18 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
>> No, I don't see that here at all.
>
>  Silly boy.  Looking to your employment contract to see how you should
>conduct a logical argument.
>
>  Silly AmeriKKKans.

More ko0ksign.

-- 
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
0
erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 4:56:22 PM
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:31:29 +0100, VistaJustWorks wrote
(in article <qXazh.23672$Un.17844@read2.cgocable.net>):

> 
> "Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=6932
>> Linux server market share is expected to rise from 24% to 33% this year
>> with corresponding decrease in Windows server use.
>> Linux desktops are expected to double from 3% to 6% again, with
>> windows losing ground.
> 
> Oh, I forgot to add, that the quote is from JANUARY 31, 2005
> 
> Ahahahahahahaha... Never happened did it LinTurd?
> 
> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahah.........
> 
> 2 years later and Linux holds <2% of the desktop market and it has LOST
> maket share to Windows in the server market as well.
> 
> Ahahahaahhahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahah.........
> 
> Stupid, fucking LinTards.
> 
> 
> 

Ah it warms my heart seeing Pist and works squirm and whine about thing that 
occurred in the past.

-- 
Brutality Personified

http://www.asshelmets.com/
http://www.thetrolls.net/phpbb2/

0
2/10/2007 5:02:11 PM
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:

>VistaJustWorks did the cha-cha, and
>> > Sure...If you need to use OO programming methods, then you don't know
>> > what you are doing when you are writing an OO program.
>
>"The Demon Prince of Absurdity" <absurd_number_of_nicks@hell.corny> wrote
>> Don't you mean, "If you need to use OO programming methods, then you
>> don't know what you are doing when you are *not* writing an OO program"?
>> Or are you using a language other than English for your grammar, where
>> two completely opposite meanings can be represented by the same word(s)?
>
>There is nothing contradictory in my sentence at all.  Your interpretive
>context is simply wrong.
>
>Let me make it simple for you boy.  OO methods or similar replacement
>constructs can be built from within almost any language.
>
>I've used OO constructs from within machine language, interpretive basics,
>and C.  I create those constructs where needed.  If a language is OO it can
>be more convenient but if you "need" to use OO, then you probably don't know
>enough about what OO is doing behind the scenes to implement it yourself.
>
>I find C++ to be quite laughable in many respects because here you have this
>language C, which is is the Nader of programming languages, and at it's core
>holds an ideology that is the antithisis of OO, and then  you bolt OO onto
>it so that the language is skitzoid.  In some places it's designed in such a
>manner as to actively work against program correctness, and in other areas
>the (new C++ stuff) designed to assist in program correctness.
>
>It's Brain Dead. All of it.
>
>VB, particularly VB.Net is about as good as it gets.  Although there is
>still some room for improvement.

Here's a question for you, it should be easy to answer for someone with
your self-avowed mental prowess:

What percentage of Windows is written in C/C++, and what percentage is
coded in Visual Basic?

-- 
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
0
erfc-10241 (1105)
2/10/2007 5:02:26 PM
In article <VOdzh.12438$4Q2.10316@read1.cgocable.net>,
VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Daniel Packman" <pack@users.forethought.net> wrote in message
>> No, I don't see that here at all.
>
>  Silly boy.

You don't advance your argument nor your stature by
name calling.

>  Looking to your employment contract to see how you should
>conduct a logical argument.

Yes, that would be silly and obviously not
what is going on here.

>  Silly AmeriKKKans.

Intentional misspellings and gross generalizations
also don't advance your point, if you have one.


0
pack9 (88)
2/10/2007 9:17:35 PM
"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:45cde46a$0$97267$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> VistaJustWorks <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile
> of<Yu4zh.23596$Un.16336@read2.cgocable.net>:
>
>>
>>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> And then after booting a fresh install of winblows you see:
>>> "windows protection error
>>> missing c:\windows\system\vmm32.vxd"
>>
>>Nope, never had any mising files or applcaitions crashing after
> installing
>>Windows.
>>
>>It just never happens.
>>
>
> You just lost *all* credibility.
> Congrats :)
>
>>But LinTards do like to pretend.
>>
>>
> Really? Got a driver for windows for this particular chipset?
>
> Intel AGP 440EX 82443EX (8244EX/81371AB)

You might be the only one who asks for it?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Intel+AGP+440EX+82443EX+%288244EX%2F81371AB%29&btnG=Google+Search


>
> Funny how Intel wont support thier own chips under winblows.
>
> Now tell me *again* how winblows "just works".
>
> H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^
> 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/13/2007 8:11:51 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:gbpyh.10654$4Q2.10179@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> How long did it take you getting used to your smokers dragan breath?
>
>  Sorry, don't smoke or drink.  Never have.

Do you ever smell bad?

>
>  You are the epitomy of failure B4.

We shall see this.

>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/13/2007 8:14:36 AM
"VistaEra" <BushIsATraitor@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:vBKyh.11771$4Q2.7515@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> "SameAsB4" <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> wrote
>> Are you apprasing Linux by being a dumber sock who defends Windows?
>
>  Did you write that sentence when drunk you Shit Eating LinTurd?

If I were to write your sentence, it'll be life long.

>
>
> 

0
exebuyola (74)
2/13/2007 8:17:49 AM
"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:45cb43ef$0$97250$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> SameAsB4 <exebuyola@yanospamhoo.com> pinched out a steaming pile
> of<mb6cr.k8k.19.1@news.alt.net>:
>
>>
>>"���hw��f" <snuhwolf5150@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45c9fca1$0$97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>> of the Snarks of AErisia <Queen> pinched out a steaming pile
>>> of<pan.2007.02.07.11.20.56.549967@smof.org>:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:41:00 -0500, VistaEra sat in thee Comfee
>>> Chaire,
>>>>and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>>>>>> "VistaEra" wrote
>>>>>> >  I'm also Jack the Ripper and the Unknown comic.
>>>>>
>>>>> "SameAsB4" wrote
>>>>>> You could also be the snuh turd.
>>>>>
>>>>>   What's the problem? Cleft Palette?
>>>>
>>>>That'd be a big problem for a painter.
>>>>
>>> <snarf>
>>>
>>> There outta be a way to mod these posts up as "funny"....
>>
>>Just add alt.yingspeak.insane
>>
>
> I said "funny", not "dummy".

We don't go by whayousaid, dummy.

>
>
> 

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exebuyola (74)
2/16/2007 7:31:42 AM
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How could it be otherwise? This is the worst case scenario. Run a program, to run a program. But VISTA runs better on a mac than OSX. Dr. zara wrote: > How could it be otherwise? > This is the worst case scenario. > Run a program, to run a program. > But VISTA runs better on a mac than OSX. > > You shouldn't lie. In article <45wKh.21158$68.8559@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Dr. zara" <docZ@lightspeed.net> wrote: > How could it be otherwise? > This is the worst case scenario. > Run a program, to run a program. > But VISTA runs better on a mac than OSX. Actually, thanks to Steve MacKay, we know the precise opposite is true. But then we knew that because you wrote it. -- "The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- "I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed the demo of the iPhone speakerphone. "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-F84085.12180216032007@news.telus.net... > In article <45wKh.21158$68.8559@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, > "Dr. zara" <docZ@lightspeed.net> wrote: > >> How could it be otherwise? >> This is the worst case scenario. >> Run a program, to run a program. >> But VISTA runs better on a mac than OSX. > > Actually, thanks to Steve MacKay, we know the precise opposite is true. > > But then we...

VISTA ON A MAC #2
Runs faster and better, than Leopard on a Mac. In article <s2nrk.14171$kh2.845@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "zara" <zaraspook@Heddon.com> wrote: > Runs faster and better, than Leopard on a Mac. I suppose for some people, this is another reason to buy a Mac. Good advocacy zero. In article <s2nrk.14171$kh2.845@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "zara" <zaraspook@Heddon.com> wrote: > Runs faster and better, than Leopard on a Mac. Good to hear in case I ever want to try it = which I won't because I don't want a partition of my HD subject to viruses. PC trolls come here thinking they're going to make a maccie mad and start a long thread of argument and abuse. Well, if you have any maturity, you won't even get involved in that anymore. This forum is for people who like to argue and fuss and fight and abuse and take abuse - generally, a loser's paradise. Goodbye! "hasta la vista" <hasta@lavista.org> wrote in message news:48ae0e32$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > In article <s2nrk.14171$kh2.845@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, > "zara" <zaraspook@Heddon.com> wrote: > >> Runs faster and better, than Leopard on a Mac. > > Good to hear in case I ever want to try it = which I won't because I > don't want a partition of my HD subject to viruses. > > PC trolls come here thinking they're going to make a maccie mad and > start...

?Vista EULA for Macs?
From today's MacFixIt: Only more expensive versions of Vista legal for Parallels -- WebProNews reports that the less-expensive versions of Microsoft's latest operating system will not be eligible to run on a Mac using virtualization software like the popular Parallels suite. "Microsoft has released a new EULA (End User License Agreement) that states that only certain versions of Vista � Business and Ultimate (and Enterprise for corporate customers) are eligible to be run in a virtual machine. The EULA says that Home Basic and Home Premium CANNOT be run in a virtual machine....

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It's a Mac, Mac, Mac World
I wonder how the Windows users would like my (ab)normal Microsoft-free world: My business: all Mac, no PCs. My dentist, family physician and urologist are all Mac. No PCs. Went to Sir Speedy today for more bus. cards and some binding: all Mac (no surprise there). My daughter's three new college room mates have emailed her. Two have PowerBooks and one has an eMac. (She has a G5 iMac.) I never even see a PC unless I am at the public library or a store using a Windows POS unit. It never was intentional. I don't scout a place to see what frickin' computer they use. Just happened. Kind of weird. -- Arf! Old CSMAer Nice! At work I'm stuck on Windows, plus at home my roommate and girlfrield both use Windows. Good thing is I have my ibook at work and both my roommate and gf are getting Macs after their Dell's are paid off. They use Mac's at work and see how my PowerMac at home works while their PeeCee's hose daily. They hate Windows now :) So i'm getting there :) Alex "OldCSMAer" <olddog@kennelsINVALID.com> wrote in message news:olddog-F4AC87.15141003082005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com... >I wonder how the Windows users would like my (ab)normal Microsoft-free > world: > > My business: all Mac, no PCs. My dentist, family physician and > urologist are all Mac. No PCs. > > Went to Sir Speedy today for more bus. cards and some binding: all Mac > (no surprise there). > > My dau...

MAC to MAC connectivity
Hi, As part of a design that I'm investigating, I am looking at connecting a number of FPGA based MACs to a dedicated broadcom switch chip. The difficulty with this is that to interface both chips, I need to have two closely coupled and redundant PHY . Is it possible to connect two MAC (SGMII) directly point-to-point, bypassing the PHY completely? Or is it necessary to have at least some PHY functionality, even if it is a point to point link? Kind regards, Stephen Steve wrote: > Hi, > > As part of a design that I'm investigating, I am looking at connecting > a number of FPGA based MACs to a dedicated broadcom switch chip. The > difficulty with this is that to interface both chips, I need to have > two closely coupled and redundant PHY . > > Is it possible to connect two MAC (SGMII) directly point-to-point, > bypassing the PHY completely? Or is it necessary to have at least some > PHY functionality, even if it is a point to point link? I suppose it works. Cross connect RXD[] to TXD[]. Cross connect RX_DV to TX_EN, and provide a 125 MHz clock (could be supplied from another FPGA pin) On Feb 12, 9:01=A0pm, Steve <stephe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > As part of a design that I'm investigating, I am looking at connecting > a number of FPGA based MACs to a dedicated broadcom switch chip. =A0The > difficulty with this is that to interface both chips, I need to have > two closely coupled and redundant PHY...

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When is a Mac no longer a Mac?
OK, so Apple's going to go to Intel CPUs. Now Macs are no longer differentiated by a slow clock and superior instruction set--we've got the same hackjob clusterfuck on speed PCs have been using for decades now. And over the last few years Apple's gone away from SCSI, NuBus, ADB, Localtalk, etc. And PCs have picked up USB, dropped floppies, and colored their cases. The hardware's basically merging between the two platforms. On the software side, the classic MacOS is gone, replaced by Unixy stuff. And like it or not, higher up on the UI level lots of Windows-li...

Mac Miail on .mac
I have my own domain name. Is there a way to get msil under .mac to set this as the reply to address. It seems that I am forced to use the @mac address but I could well be missing something. Thanks Colin Countryman wrote: > I have my own domain name. Is there a way to get msil under .mac to set this > as the reply to address. It seems that I am forced to use the @mac address > but I could well be missing something. > > Thanks > Colin Open a new Mail message - press Command-Alt-R to display the Reply-To field. Chu -- chuenginsberg at mac dot com On Sun, 21 Jan 2...

Mac-to-Mac VPN?
Years ago, I set up a Mac network (under OS9) with a VPN router and some software on a remote PowerBook that allowed VPN access. I'm not terribly familiar with OSX yet, but I understand that much of this functionality is now built in. Can anybody steer me in the right direction as far as hardware, software and configuration? Here's the setup I envision: - Small LAN running two Macs and a printer with a DSL connection through a router. - Remote PowerBook connected to the net varyingly with dial-up, DSL (wired), and AirPort. - Use the PowerBook to securely connect to at least one of the machines on the LAN for file transfers, contact/calendar sync (through Now server software), and if possible, remote access. Note that, at times, BOTH sides of this connection will have dynamic IP addresses, so there's got to be a way to "find" the office LAN remotely, and the security protocols of the VPN setup cannot limit the incoming IP to a specific address. Also note that I don't need to connect both ways, just to initiate from the PowerBook. I'm not opposed to buying a VPN router, or any other hardware, if it makes the system more stable/reliable/simple. Thanks very much in advance for any help you can provide. Steve On 2005-06-05, Steve C <newsgroups@primedigital.com> wrote: > Note that, at times, BOTH sides of this connection will have dynamic IP > addresses, so there's got to be a way to "find&quo...

[Troll!] Vista more stable than Mac!
I'm simply not going to comment on this one! QUOTE:- Microsoft's partner group manager Simon Aldous told PCR: One of the things that people say an awful lot about the Apple Mac is that the OS is fantastic, that it's very graphical and easy to use. What we've tried to do with Windows 7 - whether it's traditional format or in a touch format - is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics. We've significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the current Mac platform, for instance. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/microsoft_copies_apple/ bbgruff pulled this Usenet boner: > I'm simply not going to comment on this one! > > QUOTE:- > Microsoft's partner group manager Simon Aldous told PCR: > > One of the things that people say an awful lot about the Apple Mac is > that the OS is fantastic, that it's very graphical and easy to use. What > we've tried to do with Windows 7 - whether it's traditional format or in a > touch format - is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics. We've > significantly improved the graphical user interface, but it's built on that > very stable core Vista technology, which is far more stable than the > current Mac platform, for instance. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/microsoft_copies_apple/ Somehow I doubt it. -- "I...

Vista Goes Back For A Refund.
After spending a week and a half attempting to upgrade my wife's system from Windows XP Professional to Vista, I have given up, surrendered and have returned my copy to the place where I purchased it. AFAI am concerned Microsoft should be sued for wasting my time! This is a P4 3.0ghz System with 2gb PC3200 RAM and an Nvidia 5500FX AGP card so it's not a dog. Problems I have had are various applications not installing, Doom 3 runs like a slide show, the system is sluggish and I know this is subjective but I don't like the new interface. My printer's tools do not work s...

Mac to MAc Firewire
Hey all Looking for some help. I am trying to use a 6-6pin 1394 cable to connect two iBooks together and transfer some large files. iBook 1 dual USB 'white' iBook OS 9.2 iBook 2 G4 OSx 10.2 I boot iBook 1 into 'target drive' mode and get the firewire icon dancing about the screen then connect it to iBook 2 but the drive does not appear on the desktop. I have tried all combinations of rebooting/ connecting before and after rebooting but nothing seams to work. When the firewire is plugged in the target disk makes a short noise then nothing the host does not appear to react at ...

networking mac to mac???
Hello, Can someone out there tell me the best (easy) way to network a ibook running os.9??? possibly to a new imac running osx 5wak <rosscoism@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, Can someone out there tell me the best (easy) way to network a > ibook running os.9??? possibly to a new imac running osx Put an ethernet cable between them, enable tcp/ip and file sharing on one and log on from the other, seems to be what you are asking for? And you do not need a cross-over cable between modern Macs. -- /Jon For contact info, run the following in Terminal: echo 36199371860304980107073482417748002696458P|dc Jon <see_signature@mac.com.invalid> wrote: > 5wak <rosscoism@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, Can someone out there tell me the best (easy) way to network a > > ibook running os.9??? possibly to a new imac running osx > > Put an ethernet cable between them, enable tcp/ip and file sharing on > one and log on from the other, seems to be what you are asking for? And > you do not need a cross-over cable between modern Macs. Correction: tcp/ipp of course needs to be enabled on the ethernet port on _both_ machines. File sharing, however, is only necessary on one (preferably the Mac OS X machine). -- /Jon For contact info, run the following in Terminal: echo 36199371860304980107073482417748002696458P|dc In article <1hxqr6q.1u7ne805d0g7N%see_signature@mac.com.invalid>, see_signature@mac.com.invalid (Jon) wrote: > ...

[Uniface-L] Uniface.info vs. uniface-l for discussion?
I've just been at the Uniface User Group conference in Sydney and as a part of the Compuware presentations I got the overriding sense that they want community members worldwide to use the disucssion forums on uniface.info rather than here. I think getting all the members of the worldwide user groups to contribute and discuss more is a *good thing*. However I believe 'moving' open debate and discussion to a 'closed forum' is a *bad idea*. 1. The uniface.info discussion forums are not available to google/yahoo/archive.org and so any questions/answers that I ...

[Uniface-L] Uniface.info vs. uniface-l for discussion?
I've just been at the Uniface User Group conference in Sydney and as a part of the Compuware presentations I got the overriding sense that they want community members worldwide to use the disucssion forums on uniface.info rather than here. I think getting all the members of the worldwide user groups to contribute and discuss more is a *good thing*. However I believe 'moving' open debate and discussion to a 'closed forum' is a *bad idea*. 1. The uniface.info discussion forums are not available to google/yahoo/archive.org and so any questions/answers that I post there will not be available to the majority of internet users to find. I do not know if I can use e-mail and NNTP/NEWS to contribute - but I suspect not. The operators of the uniface.info web site have improved it recently by adding a 'preview' option, and making the terms of service available (to preview you need to agree to the terms of service). 2. The terms of service are not very compatible with a discussion forum - it is a violation of the terms of service to post false information - what if the fix/bug I report is innacurate - I could be banned from the site! 3. I have not been able to find any publicly accessible information about who owns/controls uniface.info and who moderates the discussion - and in particular do members have any control over this (the members of the NAUUG do get a vote in what goes on with uug.org and Uniface-L). The U...

Mac down, Vista up, Linux not even on the radar
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9015728&intsrc=hm_list Asstroturfer OK wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation: > http://www.computerworld.com/action article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9015728&intsrc=hm_list Note on the radar? Most micoshaft products run quaratined behind Linux firewalls, Linux routers, Linux servers etc.. The ones that are not in quaratine produce 90% of the world's spam from botnets. Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans and Adware OK wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/...

Re: Vista Goes Back For A Refund.
Sorry replied to the wrong message. Open Task Scheduler, check the Active Tasks pane. It should be listed there. "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:... > Control Panel ( Classic View ), Network Connections. Right Click on > the appropriate Local Area Connection. Left Click Properties. When > the details box opens you'll see the bindings ( Services/Protocols ) in > the window. Just untic/uncheck the TCP/Ipv6 binding. Apply, OK.... > I use the following for Broadband throughput, very reliable results. > http://www.internet...

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