1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml

2) Read to the very bottom.

3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all 
three.

This looks seriously brilliant...

-- 
Nick Humphries, via OBD
Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk
YSRnRY documentary - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/
The Tipshop - http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/

"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0410181747230.25340@obd...

> This looks seriously brilliant...

*GASP*

bu...it...sur...tee..

/me faints

AndyC

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Mon, 18 Oct
2004 17:48:55 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do comp.sys.sinclair,
yawatina tan reek esk "Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk>
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
>
>2) Read to the very bottom.
>
>3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all 
>three.
>
>This looks seriously brilliant...

HOLY F'IN JEBUS!!

deKay
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:48:55 +0100 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Nick Humphries, via obd:

> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all 
> three.

I hyperventilated.

Oct 26th, eh?  This has to be worth getting, even if I have to order
it off the 'net due to all the shops round here being so rubbish that
none of them stock it.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Chris


-- 
+-------------------------------------------+
| Unsatisfactory Software - "because it is" |
|  http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk  |
| Your Sinclair: A Celebration              |
+- http://www.yoursinclair.co.uk -----------+

DISCLAIMER: I may be making all this stuff up again.

Boooooo. Hissssss.

> This looks seriously brilliant...

Which does?

Oh...

Boooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hissssssssssssssssss

In news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0410181747230.25340@obd,
Nick Humphries, via obd <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> typed:
> 1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
>
> 2) Read to the very bottom.
>
> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all
> three.
>
> This looks seriously brilliant...

Yes, it does. I never did like YS (I was a Crash! guy) but I do like the look of
one particular part of that cover...

<g>

D.

Notice the "TM" next to the YS logo?

And to think we once mocked those who trademarked every single thing...

-- 
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| Nick Humphries                                    nick@egyptus.co.uk |
| The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years:        http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/ |
| The YSRnRY TV Show: (1984 SOON)      http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/ |
| The Tipshop:                           http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/ |
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"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0410181747230.25340@obd...
> 1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
>
> 2) Read to the very bottom.
>
> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all 
> three.
>
> This looks seriously brilliant...


:)

So the cat is finally out of the bag!

This has been a seriously hard secret to keep.

I know nothing, by the way ;)


Colin


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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:48:55 +0100, "Nick Humphries, via obd"
<nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:

>1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
>2) Read to the very bottom.
>3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all 
>three.
>This looks seriously brilliant...

I first heard of this through a media mailing list I'm on.

Well, there's no "ifs" about me getting the next issue of Retro
Gamer... Thank goodness they picked YS and not SU. Just one question,
how can Live be able to do this?

-- 
pete [at]  �     W H E N   B A C K E D   I N T O   A   C O R N E R . . . 
horseshoe  � "such a waste of space, such a small turd hanging on tightly to
[hyphen]   �  the arsehole of humanity, that he just isn't worth spending any
inn [dot]  �  time on." - Copyright infringer Nick Humphries talking about me.
co [dot] uk� 

Ahghh nggggg!!!!!!

-- 
JGH

Gah!

*thunk*

MooseBlaster
--
Grin and bare it

"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0410181747230.25340@obd...
> 1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
>
> 2) Read to the very bottom.
>
> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all
> three.
>
> This looks seriously brilliant...
>
> -- 
> Nick Humphries, via OBD
> Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk
> YSRnRY documentary - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/
> The Tipshop - http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/
>

"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.61.0410181747230.25340@obd>...
> 1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
> 
> 2) Read to the very bottom.
> 
> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all 
> three.
> 
> This looks seriously brilliant...

Lawks!

When I read this last night, I half-suspected I was dreaming it...

Hurrah! (Possibly.)

Nathan
-- 
YS3 - Back Issues and Easter Eggs
http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/ys3/

"Colin Woodcock" <colin@woodcock88.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<cl1g85$d75$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
<snip>
> :)
> 
> So the cat is finally out of the bag!
> 
> This has been a seriously hard secret to keep.
> 
> I know nothing, by the way ;)
> 
> 
> Colin
<snip>

What can I say but "Yikes!" erm... I knew nothing about this either...
Your Sinclair, eh? How'd have thought it?

Regards,

Shaun.

In message <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410181747230.25340@obd>
          "Nick Humphries, via obd" wrote:
> 1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
> 
> 2) Read to the very bottom.
> 
> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all 
> three.
> 
> This looks seriously brilliant...

Hurrah!!! I celebrated all evening, I have been waiting for 11 years for
this to happen. I phoned friends to tell them the good news. Diana reminded
me that people on CSS said it couldn't and shouldn't be done, see
<http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&frame=right&th=1e8ac19c84c34c98&seekm=c3hg5094ihjh1tpreksmhcbntr08ougvh3%404ax.com>
The petition stays open till the day after the ORSAM show, now we have 
the pilot, lets make sure it's here to stay. Well done Live Publishing.   

-- 
                       Tarquin Mills
Norwich Sinclair and Clones Show (ORSAM 2004)
http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/orsam/
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Sinclair/petition.html (Bring Back YS)

In article <e6a03d004d.planet14@localhost.local>,
Tarquin Mills  <accus@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hurrah!!! I celebrated all evening, I have been waiting for 11 years for
>this to happen. I phoned friends to tell them the good news. Diana reminded
>me that people on CSS said it couldn't and shouldn't be done, see
><http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&frame=right&th=1e8ac19c84c34c98&seekm=c3hg5094ihjh1tpreksmhcbntr08ougvh3%404ax.com>

Sometimes the complete lack of public relations skills of the emulation
community astounds me.

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <pak21@srcf.ucam.org>
  http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pak21/

Nick Humphries, via obd wrote:

> 1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml

Okay...

> 2) Read to the very bottom.

*sound of scroll wheel on mouse being moved in a North-South motion*

> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all three.
> 
> This looks seriously brilliant...

Oooh. Oooh! Nice! Disappointed I didn't know about this before, but in 
the grand scheme of things I'll forever be known as "the crap one who 
hung about at the end for a bit whilst attempting to steal office supplies".

Time to get the limited edition pink-with-white-text YS t-shirt out, and 
practice saying "Spec-chums". Erm, Spec-chums!

Steve

Any chances that the Your Sinclair (special Retrogamer edition) ends up in
the "magazines/you sinclair" directory of wos archive *AS SOON* as it is
released?

I guess that world wide spectrum fans that are not able to purchase the
magazine would love to read it also, and i for one cant buy it since is not
available in Portugal.

Anyway I cant wait to get my eyes on it... despite the fact that I am more
of a SinclairUser fan (and proud owner of some issues) :)

Regardas,
RootShell

In article <4174e027$0$12609$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>,
RootShell <rootshell@netcabo.pt> wrote:
>Any chances that the Your Sinclair (special Retrogamer edition) ends up in
>the "magazines/you sinclair" directory of wos archive *AS SOON* as it is
>released?

At a quick guess, "no". It's called copyright law.

Phil

-- 
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  http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pak21/

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Tue, 19 Oct
2004 09:02:44 GMT, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do comp.sys.sinclair,
yawatina tan reek esk Tarquin Mills <accus@nojunkmail.com> fornis do marikano
es bono tan el:

>Hurrah!!! I celebrated all evening, I have been waiting for 11 years for
>this to happen. I phoned friends to tell them the good news. Diana reminded
>me that people on CSS said it couldn't and shouldn't be done, see
><http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&frame=right&th=1e8ac19c84c34c98&seekm=c3hg5094ihjh1tpreksmhcbntr08ougvh3%404ax.com>

You will notice that I suggested that it was perfectly likely.

+10 FORESIGHT SKILL :)

deKay
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 |- ugvm Magazine - www.ugvm.org.uk          
 |- My computer runs at 3.5MHz and I'm proud of that
 |- "CLART - YOU KNOWS IT"

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, RootShell wrote:

> Any chances that the Your Sinclair (special Retrogamer edition) ends up in
> the "magazines/you sinclair" directory of wos archive *AS SOON* as it is
> released?

I wouldn't recommend that without clearing it with Live Publishing first. 
With something *this* good coming from then, we *really* shouldn't do 
anything to piss them off. Think of it this way: people won't buy the mag 
for the YS supplement if they can download it for free elsewhere, so why 
would Live Publishing approve of this sort of thing?

> I guess that world wide spectrum fans that are not able to purchase the
> magazine would love to read it also, and i for one cant buy it since is not
> available in Portugal.

You can order the mag from the Live Publishing website. Cost is UKP 5.99, 
plus UKP 1 p&p if you're in the UK, UKP 2 if you're outside. AFAICT, it's 
only the issues of the mag the appears on the shop shelves outside of the 
UK that won't have the YS supplement.

-- 
Nick Humphries, via OBD
Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk
YSRnRY documentary - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/
The Tipshop - http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/

"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> writes:

> AFAICT, it's only the issues of the mag the appears on the shop
> shelves outside of the UK that won't have the YS supplement.

Yes, a staff member explains in their forum that the YS supplement
will be included on all copies sold in UK shops, to all subscribers 
and those ordering single issues from the web page. 

It also means that there *are* shops outside of the UK selling
Retro Gamer. I haven't looked for it, but doubt I would find it
around here anyway.

-- 
Anders Carlsson

Anders Carlsson wrote:
> It also means that there *are* shops outside of the UK selling
> Retro Gamer. I haven't looked for it, but doubt I would find it
> around here anyway.

I've seen it on the shelves here in Sydney around the place. Ironically, 
just as issue 1 was sold out in the UK and getting outrageous prices on 
eBay, it had just hit the normal newsagent shelves here.

Fred

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Fred wrote:

> Anders Carlsson wrote:
>> It also means that there *are* shops outside of the UK selling
>> Retro Gamer. I haven't looked for it, but doubt I would find it
>> around here anyway.
>
> I've seen it on the shelves here in Sydney around the place. Ironically, just 
> as issue 1 was sold out in the UK and getting outrageous prices on eBay, it 
> had just hit the normal newsagent shelves here.

<oblig_ys_quote>
Serves you right for living at the crap end of the planet. Erm, or 
something.
</oblig_ys_quote>


-- 
Nick Humphries, via OBD
Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk
YSRnRY documentary - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/
The Tipshop - http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/

Nick Humphries, via obd wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Fred wrote:
>> I've seen it on the shelves here in Sydney around the place. 
>> Ironically, just as issue 1 was sold out in the UK and getting 
>> outrageous prices on eBay, it had just hit the normal newsagent 
>> shelves here.
> 
> <oblig_ys_quote>
> Serves you right for living at the crap end of the planet. Erm, or 
> something.
> </oblig_ys_quote>

Well, it's not like the magazines contents are out of date or anything ;)

Fred

"Nick Humphries" <nick@egyptusWIBBLE.co.uk> wrote in message
news:h8d8n0t007s0evr2p751dfiq1g0dg8sbin@4ax.com

> Notice the "TM" next to the YS logo?
> 
> And to think we once mocked those who trademarked every single thing...

Turns out the YS special is produced under licence from Future (so I
guess the TM is Future's), and the Live has an option to make further YS
specials should this one be popular.

So...

Don't copy the supplement - buy it!


-- 
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:23:47 +0100, "Nick Humphries, via obd"
<nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Fred wrote:
>
>> Anders Carlsson wrote:
>>> It also means that there *are* shops outside of the UK selling
>>> Retro Gamer. I haven't looked for it, but doubt I would find it
>>> around here anyway.
>>
>> I've seen it on the shelves here in Sydney around the place. Ironically, just 
>> as issue 1 was sold out in the UK and getting outrageous prices on eBay, it 
>> had just hit the normal newsagent shelves here.
>
><oblig_ys_quote>
>Serves you right for living at the crap end of the planet. Erm, or 
>something.
></oblig_ys_quote>

Have you seen Sydney?

-- 
Matthew

On 19 Oct 2004 13:15:19 +0200, Anders Carlsson says...

> Yes, a staff member explains in their forum that the YS supplement
> will be included on all copies sold in UK shops, to all subscribers 
> and those ordering single issues from the web page. 
> 

I just subscribed. :)


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> Any chances that the Your Sinclair (special Retrogamer edition) ends up in
> the "magazines/you sinclair" directory of wos archive *AS SOON* as it is
> released?
>
> I guess that world wide spectrum fans that are not able to purchase the
> magazine would love to read it also, and i for one cant buy it since is 
> not
> available in Portugal.
>
> Anyway I cant wait to get my eyes on it... despite the fact that I am more
> of a SinclairUser fan (and proud owner of some issues) :)

I was a Sinclair User fan, and I can't buy that retrogamer thing, because my 
head won't let me pay �5.99 for a magazine, even with a free dvd.
sc 

"SicCoyote" <sc@nospamtv13.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1098213012.1fjh3VkzM0umEsMH+Wgm+A@teranews...

> I was a Sinclair User fan, and I can't buy that retrogamer thing, because 
> my head won't let me pay �5.99 for a magazine, even with a free dvd.
> sc

Fortunately, YS has produced a handy 5 step guide for just such a situation.

1. Find a big blunt axe
2. Sharpen it
3. Remove offending head
4. Purchase Retro Gamer complete with fish free YS.
5. Enjoy.

AndyC 

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:10:51 +0000 (UTC), "Nick Humphries"
<mg@the-den.clara.net> wrote:

>> Notice the "TM" next to the YS logo?
>> And to think we once mocked those who trademarked every single thing...
>Turns out the YS special is produced under licence from Future (so I
>guess the TM is Future's), and the Live has an option to make further YS
>specials should this one be popular.
>So...
>Don't copy the supplement - buy it!

RootShell did raise an interesting point when he asked about copying
it -  I know it's definitely not right or legal to scan it in, dump it
on the web for anyone to download, but when one sees scans of old YSs
on the web, you can see where they're coming from when they ask about
scanning the new one.

-- 
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horseshoe  � "such a waste of space, such a small turd hanging on tightly to
[hyphen]   �  the arsehole of humanity, that he just isn't worth spending any
inn [dot]  �  time on." - Copyright infringer Nick Humphries talking about me.
co [dot] uk� 

"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:

> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all
> three.

Blimey. Never mind the whistling, I think this post needed a "WARNING:
You May Die Of Shock" subject line.

-Rus.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:33:35 GMT, Russell Marks
<russell.marks@spam^H^H^H^Hntlworld.com> wrote:

>"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all
>> three.
>
>Blimey. Never mind the whistling, I think this post needed a "WARNING:
>You May Die Of Shock" subject line.

It's a bit fab, isn't it?

There seems to be a strong retro thingy going right now: OutRun 2 on the Xbox
(complete with the arcade version of OutRun 1 on it), Knightmare coming back,
YS coming back, Bowling For Soup's "1985", listening to old radio comedies on
BBC7...

-- 
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| Nick Humphries                                    nick@egyptus.co.uk |
| The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years:        http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/ |
| The YSRnRY TV Show: (1984 SOON)      http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/ |
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"Peter Thomas" <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> escreveu na mensagem
news:230bn0dbibet2ahueun2dbeo68od2jvhcp@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:10:51 +0000 (UTC), "Nick Humphries"
> <mg@the-den.clara.net> wrote:
>
> RootShell did raise an interesting point when he asked about copying
> it -  I know it's definitely not right or legal to scan it in, dump it
> on the web for anyone to download, but when one sees scans of old YSs
> on the web, you can see where they're coming from when they ask about
> scanning the new one.
>

Thanks, that was exactly why i asked! Since the originals are already in the
FTP (with permition from Future) why not ask if this one can also be part of
it?

Regards,
RootShell

Program: Nick Humphries

Bytes: Tuesday

> Turns out the YS special is produced under licence from Future (so I
> guess the TM is Future's), and the Live has an option to make
> further YS specials should this one be popular.

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! <swoon> ... <THUD>

-- 
Duncan Snowden. 

D BREAK-CONT repete 220:5 

In article <4175c62c$0$12595$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>,
RootShell <rootshell@netcabo.pt> wrote:

[ YS on WoS ]

>Since the originals are already in the FTP (with permition from Future)

Do you actually have any evidence for that statement in any way at all?

Phil

-- 
  Philip Kendall <pak21@srcf.ucam.org>
  http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pak21/

Keeping his wits about him (albeit in a jar under the bed), Matthew
Wilson wrote:

> Have you seen Sydney?

Yes, he's over there (Kindly Leave The Stage. Ed)

Toodle-pip!
Gerard

-- 

Gerard Sweeney
Hackers Anonymous/Team Amiga
http://fly.to/ha3 and http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk

IT'S HERE!!! My subs copy arrived this morning.

FARCKING HELL! I'VE GOT THE CENTRE SPREAD IN THE YS
SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! (My Jet Set Willy II Map) 

<swoons>

Fishy

--
Manic Miner (comp.sys.sinclair edition): http://www.fishyfish.net/manic/
Spectrum Games Maps: http://www.btinternet.com/~fishyfish/
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Philip Kendall wrote:

> In article <4175c62c$0$12595$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>,
> RootShell <rootshell@netcabo.pt> wrote:
>
> [ YS on WoS ]
>
>> Since the originals are already in the FTP (with permition from Future)
>
> Do you actually have any evidence for that statement in any way at all?

No he doesn't.

WOS and YSRnRY have permissions from some of the writers and that's it, 
although the feedback from the many writers we've been in contact with has 
indicated that this shouldn't be a problem.

Speaking for the YSRnRY, my limited contacts with the Future management 
have been inconclusive, but positive. I guess that if you're not going to 
give them a lot of cash, like Live presumably have, then they're not going 
to spend too much time on these sorts of requests unless they want to 
decline them.

After seven years with no denial, I'm taking that as a sign that they're 
OK with the idea but don't want to get bogged down with the detail.

As for the YS supplement on RetroGamer - it's in print, going to be 
available to buy in the shops over the next month, and there's probably 
going to be enough back issues going to be available for a long time to 
come. It's simply unacceptable to dump them to JPEGs and put them up on a 
website until every last issue is sold, and even then Live might decide to 
put a PDF of it on their website.

-- 
Nick Humphries, via OBD
Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk
YSRnRY documentary - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/
The Tipshop - http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/

RootShell wrote:

> Thanks, that was exactly why i asked! Since the originals are already in the
> FTP (with permition from Future) why not ask if this one can also be part of
> it?

Whilst it's publicly available for hard cash, it ain't going to happen. 
Future make old issues of magazines available as PDF files (or sometimes 
just some of the articles) but they don't dump them on their websites 
the moment they come out.

This would be bad business sense.

The Retro Gamer staff have said that any copies bought from the Live 
Publishing website will have the YS special included, regardless of 
international destination; so don't be a skin flint and support the 
magazine and publishing team financially for the hard work they've done 
creating it and the money that changed hands with Future to get it done 
in the first place.

Honestly, some people, eh? =)

Steve

Peter Thomas wrote:

> RootShell did raise an interesting point when he asked about copying
> it -  I know it's definitely not right or legal to scan it in, dump it
> on the web for anyone to download, but when one sees scans of old YSs
> on the web, you can see where they're coming from when they ask about
> scanning the new one.

Oh, absolutely. By the way, can I interest anyone in one of my bootleg 
Amstrad Emailer clones that lets you make free phone calls? I know it's 
definitely not right or legal, but when one sees that Amstrad have made 
the Spectrum ROMs available for free, you can see where I'm coming from 
when I suggest getting more free stuff from them.

Nick Humphries wrote:

> There seems to be a strong retro thingy going right now: OutRun 2 on the Xbox
> (complete with the arcade version of OutRun 1 on it), Knightmare coming back,
> YS coming back, Bowling For Soup's "1985", listening to old radio comedies on
> BBC7...

A cursory glance at fashion shows a lot of 80s influence. And I've been 
listening to Piney Gir of late, and she lives in a beautiful 80s synth 
world. Robbie Williams, however, lives in a more ugly 80s synth world it 
seems.

Of course, to be truly 80s we need very right-wing politicians in power 
both sides of the Atlantic. Oh, wait... </soap-box>

Steve

In article <2tmpg3F210ua6U1@uni-berlin.de>, gasman@raww.org says...
> 
> Oh, absolutely. By the way, can I interest anyone in one of my bootleg 
> Amstrad Emailer clones that lets you make free phone calls?
> 

Yay! A Speccy port of Skype!

"RootShell" <rootshell@netcabo.pt> wrote in message news:<4175c62c$0$12595$a729d347@news.telepac.pt>...
> "Peter Thomas" <see-my-sig@hotmail.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:230bn0dbibet2ahueun2dbeo68od2jvhcp@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:10:51 +0000 (UTC), "Nick Humphries"
> > <mg@the-den.clara.net> wrote:
> >
> > RootShell did raise an interesting point when he asked about copying
> > it -  I know it's definitely not right or legal to scan it in, dump it
> > on the web for anyone to download, but when one sees scans of old YSs
> > on the web, you can see where they're coming from when they ask about
> > scanning the new one.
> >
> 
> Thanks, that was exactly why i asked! Since the originals are already in the
> FTP (with permition from Future) why not ask if this one can also be part of
> it?

Err, because the new one will be commercially available, and scanning
it in would be depriving RetroGamer of income.

-- 
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:01:46 +0100 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Peter Thomas:

> >Don't copy the supplement - buy it!
> 
> RootShell did raise an interesting point when he asked about copying
> it -  I know it's definitely not right or legal to scan it in, dump it
> on the web for anyone to download, but when one sees scans of old YSs
> on the web, you can see where they're coming from when they ask about
> scanning the new one.

I agree.  In some ways, I think the old YS scans on WOS (and any other
fan sites, etc) are actually helping both Future and Live.  They
aren't commercially available, so nobody is losing out.  The exposure
may encourage people to buy new Future (and Dennis) mags, as well as
keeping the name alive, which benefits Future (if the name was
forgotten ten years ago, they wouldn't be able to charge Live so much
for the rights, and Live may not even want them if the mag is
forgotten).  Live benefits from having a huge base of YS fans to
market the magazine to, some of which may not have bought Retro Gamer
before.  A certain percentage of these will continue to buy RG, which
obviously makes them even more money.  It's a win-win situation, even
if the actual YS scans are legally wrong.

There is no excuse for scanning in this new issue though, that doesn't
benefit anyone (except cheapskates who don't want to pay for it), and
pretty much guarantees that we won't see any further YS specials in
the future.

Chris

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:28:20 +0100 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC FishyFish:

> IT'S HERE!!! My subs copy arrived this morning.
> 
> FARCKING HELL! I'VE GOT THE CENTRE SPREAD IN THE YS
> SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! (My Jet Set Willy II Map) 

Are they going to send you a "I've Got Big Tips" badge?

Chris

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DISCLAIMER: I may be making all this stuff up again.

I hope that no-one else minds here, but one person (mentioning no
names) was "deeply insulted" that I ended up as a staff writer for the
YS supplement, and therefore my picture-type-thing couldn't be
included in the issue because of scary threats like "We've got your
Commodore 128, which is gonna have its SID removed and fried if you
write one word for the YS thingy". Despite this, my name did end up in
the credits, so I guess that's the end for my beloved machine :(

Regards,

Shaun.

"Shaun Bebbington" <shaun.bebbington@livepublishing.co.uk> wrote in
message news:44a24a6c.0410200709.e8b3aa@posting.google.com

> I hope that no-one else minds here, but one person (mentioning no
> names) was "deeply insulted" that I ended up as a staff writer for the
> YS supplement, and therefore my picture-type-thing couldn't be
> included in the issue because of scary threats like "We've got your
> Commodore 128, which is gonna have its SID removed and fried if you
> write one word for the YS thingy". Despite this, my name did end up in
> the credits, so I guess that's the end for my beloved machine :(

Blimey - it wasn't a certain ex-YS-freelancer who just surfaced on the
WOS forums was it? He's not happy...

I know I'll find out in a couple of days or so, but can you (or anyone
else) tell me who else from YS apart from Phil South contributed to (or
was consulted about) this new issue of YS?

And is it OK to put a summary page (like
http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/ys93.htm - but without any article text,
naturally) up on the YSRnRY? I'll even link to the online ordering
webpage :)


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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:28:20 +0100, FishyFish
<fishyfish@btinternet.com> wrote:

>IT'S HERE!!! My subs copy arrived this morning.
>
>FARCKING HELL! I'VE GOT THE CENTRE SPREAD IN THE YS
>SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! (My Jet Set Willy II Map) 

No offence, but I can't quite see why the new ish needs tips for old
games...

The rest of it looks great though - it's almost spookily like the
olden days. It's nice to see reviews of new stuff, of course, and
(after a quick glance through) it really does to be in the classic YS
stylee.

Matthew

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC), "Nick Humphries"
<mg@the-den.clara.net> wrote:

>"Shaun Bebbington" <shaun.bebbington@livepublishing.co.uk> wrote in
>message news:44a24a6c.0410200709.e8b3aa@posting.google.com
>
>> I hope that no-one else minds here, but one person (mentioning no
>> names) was "deeply insulted" that I ended up as a staff writer for the
>> YS supplement, and therefore my picture-type-thing couldn't be
>> included in the issue because of scary threats like "We've got your
>> Commodore 128, which is gonna have its SID removed and fried if you
>> write one word for the YS thingy". Despite this, my name did end up in
>> the credits, so I guess that's the end for my beloved machine :(
>
>Blimey - it wasn't a certain ex-YS-freelancer who just surfaced on the
>WOS forums was it? He's not happy...
>
>I know I'll find out in a couple of days or so, but can you (or anyone
>else) tell me who else from YS apart from Phil South contributed to (or
>was consulted about) this new issue of YS?

Matt Bielby, T'zer, David McCandless, Mike Gerrard, Dr Berkmann, and
Jonathan Davies also crop up.

(There's even a Program Pitstop!)

Matthew

"Matthew Wilson" <matthew@mjwilson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1d4dn0t75nkpvkinhlc23q41cnrf7mfloa@4ax.com

> Matt Bielby, T'zer, David McCandless, Mike Gerrard, Dr Berkmann, and
> Jonathan Davies also crop up.

Blimey! They've chosen well, all of them are "classic" YS people - I was
afraid they'd go for the later and/or more obscure people. (of course no
offence meant to those people, but if you're going to have a YS Tribute
then you might as well get the people who were there the longest and
during its most popular era)

Really REALLY looking forward to getting my hands on a copy...


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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Matthew Wilson wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:28:20 +0100, FishyFish
> <fishyfish@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> IT'S HERE!!! My subs copy arrived this morning.
>>
>> FARCKING HELL! I'VE GOT THE CENTRE SPREAD IN THE YS
>> SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! (My Jet Set Willy II Map)
>
> No offence, but I can't quite see why the new ish needs tips for old
> games...

Ah yes, but YS wouldn't be YS without The Tipshop!

> The rest of it looks great though - it's almost spookily like the
> olden days. It's nice to see reviews of new stuff, of course, and
> (after a quick glance through) it really does to be in the classic YS
> stylee.

Damnit I'm now chewing my desk in anticipation - if only the Royal Mail 
actually delivered their letters before 9am. Not like when I was a YS 
subscriber and I'd get the new mag delivered just before I left for 
school...

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:29:39 +0100, Matthew Westcott <gasman@raww.org>
wrote:

>> RootShell did raise an interesting point when he asked about copying
>> it -  I know it's definitely not right or legal to scan it in, dump it
>> on the web for anyone to download, but when one sees scans of old YSs
>> on the web, you can see where they're coming from when they ask about
>> scanning the new one.
>Oh, absolutely. By the way, can I interest anyone in one of my bootleg 
>Amstrad Emailer clones that lets you make free phone calls? I know it's 
>definitely not right or legal, but when one sees that Amstrad have made 
>the Spectrum ROMs available for free, you can see where I'm coming from 
>when I suggest getting more free stuff from them.

I merely said RootShell's point was "interesting", certainly not
right, nor legal. I do not agree with anyone sticking any scans up of
it, especially as it's going to be commercially available from next
week. I may have liberal views on copyright, but I am not an advocate
for all-out piracy.

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On 20 Oct 2004 11:47:22 +0000, "Chris Young" <ng@yoursinclair.co.uk>
wrote:

>> >Don't copy the supplement - buy it!
>> RootShell did raise an interesting point when he asked about copying
>> it -  I know it's definitely not right or legal to scan it in, dump it
>> on the web for anyone to download, but when one sees scans of old YSs
>> on the web, you can see where they're coming from when they ask about
>> scanning the new one.
>I agree.  In some ways, I think the old YS scans on WOS (and any other
>fan sites, etc) are actually helping both Future and Live.

Yes, although there is the counter-argument of "they may decide to
re-issue this intellectual property in future, but the value would be
damaged by copyright-infringers", which is applicable in many cases. 

Die-hard copyright-advocates would argue against anyone distributing
material that's no longer commercially unavailable. I take a middle
ground, seeing that it's relevant for some cases, and some not. In
this case, I think the *old* YS scans are fair game. I know it's not
necessarily legal, but I think it's morally right. Others may disagree
(I can think of a few who will), "morally" is a subjective viewpoint,
but I find it curious that WOS doesn't get criticised for its
copyright infringement from such fans of copyright law.

(I'm lighting a blue touch paper here, aren't I? I can see myself
being completely misunderstood, as in the past - on one such occasion
I was labelled as a RIAA sympathiser, another I was accused of being
anti-WOS, both being completely wrong. The irony is, that I am looking
at issuing court proceedings against someone who is using my
intellectual property without payment to me.)

>They
>aren't commercially available, so nobody is losing out.  The exposure
>may encourage people to buy new Future (and Dennis) mags, as well as
>keeping the name alive, which benefits Future (if the name was
>forgotten ten years ago, they wouldn't be able to charge Live so much
>for the rights, and Live may not even want them if the mag is
>forgotten).  Live benefits from having a huge base of YS fans to
>market the magazine to, some of which may not have bought Retro Gamer
>before.  A certain percentage of these will continue to buy RG, which
>obviously makes them even more money.

Yep, as I've seen on this newsgroup, a few RG-refuseniks have pledged
to buy the next Retro Gamer! (When I discussed my own 'conversion'
process from being anti-RG to buying the mags, various Live writers
dropped hints about Spectrum stuff in the future - I never expected YS
back!)

>  It's a win-win situation, even
>if the actual YS scans are legally wrong.
>There is no excuse for scanning in this new issue though, that doesn't
>benefit anyone (except cheapskates who don't want to pay for it), and
>pretty much guarantees that we won't see any further YS specials in
>the future.

Absolutely 100% agreed. Is there anyone in this group who isn't going
to buy RG next week?

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:32:24 +0000 (UTC), Steve Anderson
<steve@thisisobviouslyfake.twindx.soisthis.com> wrote:

>> There seems to be a strong retro thingy going right now: OutRun 2 on the Xbox
>> (complete with the arcade version of OutRun 1 on it), Knightmare coming back,
>> YS coming back, Bowling For Soup's "1985", listening to old radio comedies on
>> BBC7...
>A cursory glance at fashion shows a lot of 80s influence. And I've been 
>listening to Piney Gir of late, and she lives in a beautiful 80s synth 
>world. Robbie Williams, however, lives in a more ugly 80s synth world it 
>seems.

What I seem to notice is that society looks at the decade from about
20 years ago. In the early 1980s, there was a brief 1950s doo-wop
revival, followed by a lot of 60s cash-in stuff (Rock N Roll Years,
and the revival of Motown anyone?).

In the 1990s, we were looking at the 1970s, flares and easy-listening
came back into fashion (sadly), as did punk rock

>Of course, to be truly 80s we need very right-wing politicians in power 
>both sides of the Atlantic. Oh, wait... </soap-box>

Don't be silly. The days of the 1980s are long over. America certainly
won't have an incoherent gay-bashing intellectually-challenged
president ruling with fear of terrorism again. Britain won't go back
to the days of having a dishonest, ignorant and hated Prime Minister
who will screw over or cosy up to media organizations at will.

And as for computing, we certainly won't be using technology popular
in the 1980s, like ASCII, dial-up network access, floppy disks,
compact discs...

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"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0410201016590.12796@obd...

> As for the YS supplement on RetroGamer - it's in print, going to be 
> available to buy in the shops over the next month, and there's probably 
> going to be enough back issues going to be available for a long time to 
> come. It's simply unacceptable to dump them to JPEGs and put them up on a 
> website until every last issue is sold, and even then Live might decide to 
> put a PDF of it on their website.

Agreed. I'll be buying a copy and so will anyone with any sense. Once it's 
out of print and all back issues have been sold it might be worth contacting 
Live about alternative methods of distribution. Until then, everyone should 
buy a copy and, assuming it's worth it, email Retro Gamer to tell them how 
completely brilliant it is and how they should repeat it. Bear in mind that 
if they are going to repeat it there's not much likelyhood of them making it 
available freely, I don't think that a bad thing though.

AndyC

P.S. Typing while very drunk is bl**dy difficult y'know. 

"AndyC" <andyc69@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2tnqn4F2172jsU1@uni-berlin.de

> Agreed. I'll be buying a copy and so will anyone with any sense. Once it's 
> out of print and all back issues have been sold it might be worth contacting 
> Live about alternative methods of distribution. 

One reassuring crumb of info is that they put the articles from issue 1
onto their website when that went out of print, partly due to the insane
prices paid through eBay, but mainly due to public demand.

I get the feeling that RetroGamer really *cares* not just about their
subject, but also about their readers too.

It's refreshing.


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"Shaun Bebbington" <shaun.bebbington@livepublishing.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:44a24a6c.0410200709.e8b3aa@posting.google.com...
>I hope that no-one else minds here, but one person (mentioning no
> names) was "deeply insulted" that I ended up as a staff writer for the
> YS supplement, and therefore my picture-type-thing couldn't be
> included in the issue because of scary threats like "We've got your
> Commodore 128, which is gonna have its SID removed and fried if you
> write one word for the YS thingy". Despite this, my name did end up in
> the credits, so I guess that's the end for my beloved machine :(

Shouldn't worry.

Although it is now obligatory that all your posts are entitled "The C64 Was 
Crap!", but I don't think that's too high a price to pay. ;-)

AndyC 

"Nick Humphries" <mg@the-den.clara.net> wrote:
> One reassuring crumb of info is that they put the articles from issue 1
> onto their website when that went out of print, partly due to the insane
> prices paid through eBay, but mainly due to public demand.
>
> I get the feeling that RetroGamer really *cares* not just about their
> subject, but also about their readers too.

Yes, I'd noticed that too. Which is why I'd highly recommend that anyone who 
can buys the issue. And subscribe if you can afford it (I sure as hell will 
now).

Keeping this mag alive would be a really, really, *really* good thing for 
the Retro Gaming community as far as I'm concerned.

AndyC 

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:44:04 +0100, "Nick Humphries, via obd"
<nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> wrote:

>>> IT'S HERE!!! My subs copy arrived this morning.
>>> FARCKING HELL! I'VE GOT THE CENTRE SPREAD IN THE YS
>>> SUPPLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! (My Jet Set Willy II Map)
>> No offence, but I can't quite see why the new ish needs tips for old
>> games...
>Ah yes, but YS wouldn't be YS without The Tipshop!

>> The rest of it looks great though - it's almost spookily like the
>> olden days. It's nice to see reviews of new stuff, of course, and
>> (after a quick glance through) it really does to be in the classic YS
>> stylee.

What era of YS have they picked to use? Is it like continuing from the
"Final Issue Ever", or maybe going for 'imperial-phase' T'zer era?

>Damnit I'm now chewing my desk in anticipation - if only the Royal Mail 
>actually delivered their letters before 9am. Not like when I was a YS 
>subscriber and I'd get the new mag delivered just before I left for 
>school...

I've been visiting WHSmiths every single day. I've never waited in
anticipation of a magazine this much.

Also, next week sees the new Viz[1], which has the last ever Fat Slags
comic strip[2]. I think I'll set up camp outside WHSmiths.

[1] YS-related. Honest.

[2] In protest at how awful the film was.

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:19:37 +0100 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Peter Thomas:

> Yes, although there is the counter-argument of "they may decide to
> re-issue this intellectual property in future, but the value would be
> damaged by copyright-infringers", which is applicable in many cases. 

Which is also a good point, but, c'mon, be realistic - who's going to
re-issue YS?  Erm, hold on, what was this thread about again?

> Yep, as I've seen on this newsgroup, a few RG-refuseniks have pledged
> to buy the next Retro Gamer!

Me included :-)

Chris

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On 20 Oct 2004 20:30:16 +0000, "Chris Young" <ng@yoursinclair.co.uk>
wrote:

>> Yes, although there is the counter-argument of "they may decide to
>> re-issue this intellectual property in future, but the value would be
>> damaged by copyright-infringers", which is applicable in many cases. 
>Which is also a good point, but, c'mon, be realistic - who's going to
>re-issue YS?

Heh, I looked at the old thread about the "Bring back YS" petition. I
can't complain, I didn't think it was a good idea at the time, but
with people like Live Publishing looking after it, this 'come-back'
issue could work nicely.

Only thing left to debate - should that be kept to a one-off, or
become a (semi-)regular idea?

>  Erm, hold on, what was this thread about again?

Antici... pation.

>> Yep, as I've seen on this newsgroup, a few RG-refuseniks have pledged
>> to buy the next Retro Gamer!
>Me included :-)

I wonder what eBay prices will be like for this gem in a few months
time? (NOT that I am considering selling it.)

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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:02:40 +0000 (UTC), "Nick Humphries"
<mg@the-den.clara.net> wrote:

>"AndyC" <andyc69@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:2tnqn4F2172jsU1@uni-berlin.de
>
>> Agreed. I'll be buying a copy and so will anyone with any sense. Once it's 
>> out of print and all back issues have been sold it might be worth contacting 
>> Live about alternative methods of distribution. 
>
>One reassuring crumb of info is that they put the articles from issue 1
>onto their website when that went out of print, partly due to the insane
>prices paid through eBay, but mainly due to public demand.

Well, some of the articles.

Matthew

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:12:07 +0100, "AndyC" <andyc69@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>Keeping this mag alive would be a really, really, *really* good thing for 
>the Retro Gaming community as far as I'm concerned.

Agree whole-heartedly.

It'll be interesting to see if it gets any competition, and what the
competition would be like... or has "Retro" suddenly got more relevant to us
lot?

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"Chris Young" <ng@yoursinclair.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4176E520.MD-1.4.17.ng@yoursinclair.co.uk

> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:41 +0100 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
> to MC Peter Thomas:
> 
> > Heh, I looked at the old thread about the "Bring back YS" petition. I
> > can't complain, I didn't think it was a good idea at the time, but
> > with people like Live Publishing looking after it, this 'come-back'
> > issue could work nicely.
> 
> Same here, and I agree.  Although my comments back then were pretty
> much based on "if YS is resurrected then it won't have any of the
> original writers".  I'm still unconvinced that a _monthly_ new YS
> would be a good idea, even if it did have some of the old team writing
> for it.

Monthly would be far too often - I'm thinking once or twice a year
should be more than enough, use it to catch up on the new releases that
haven't been covered in-depth in the RG mag proper. ZXF does a very good
job of informing everyone without it.

Still chewing the desk waiting for my copy to come through :)


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In news:007b7a329793ead6d19f7b9c1271157e.75886@mygate.mailgate.org,
Nick Humphries <mg@the-den.clara.net> typed:

> Monthly would be far too often - I'm thinking once or twice a year
> should be more than enough, use it to catch up on the new releases
> that haven't been covered in-depth in the RG mag proper. ZXF does a
> very good
> job of informing everyone without it.

I was wondering... How likely would it have been that the new YS issue would
have existed at all if Colin hadn't started working on ZXF?

They could just as easily gone for a rebirth of some of the old (they're old
now!) console mags or any of the other 8bit mags, but instead they chose YS. I
think that says a lot about the Speccy scene as compared to any other.

Suppose we'll have to wait and see if they do resurrect any other mags as
one-off supplements?

D.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:41 +0100 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Peter Thomas:

> Heh, I looked at the old thread about the "Bring back YS" petition. I
> can't complain, I didn't think it was a good idea at the time, but
> with people like Live Publishing looking after it, this 'come-back'
> issue could work nicely.

Same here, and I agree.  Although my comments back then were pretty
much based on "if YS is resurrected then it won't have any of the
original writers".  I'm still unconvinced that a _monthly_ new YS
would be a good idea, even if it did have some of the old team writing
for it.

> Only thing left to debate - should that be kept to a one-off, or
> become a (semi-)regular idea?

I think it should be yearly at most.  I must say, it is a fantastic
idea though.

> I wonder what eBay prices will be like for this gem in a few months
> time? (NOT that I am considering selling it.)

I hate to think.

I was planning on camping outside the newsagents to get my hands on
this, but I've changed my mind.  I'm going to order a copy from the
website in a minute as I can see myself missing out otherwise (there
is so much interest I can see it selling out by teatime)

Chris

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On 21 Oct 2004 00:01:08, Duncan Snowden <dss@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

>> I wonder what eBay prices will be like for this gem in a few months
>> time? (NOT that I am considering selling it.)
>Along with virtually everyone else, ensuring astronomical eBay prices I
>expect.

I still don't think it'll be as good as The Big Final Issue from 1993.

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On 21 Oct 2004 00:01:13, Duncan Snowden <dss@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

>> And I've been  listening to Piney Gir of late, and she lives in a
>> beautiful 80s synth  world.
>You, sir, are officialy a man of taste and distinction.

I realised this when Steve dropped in favourable mentions of the Orb
and the Prodigy when he was writing in YS. It got very pop-culture-y
in the end, with Steve seemingly being the dance music fan, Linda
being the indie chick, and had SU-refugee Tony Dillon stayed on a bit
longer, he could have been the rock freak.

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co [dot] uk� 

Program: Peter Thomas

Bytes: Wednesday

> I wonder what eBay prices will be like for this gem in a few months
> time? (NOT that I am considering selling it.)

Along with virtually everyone else, ensuring astronomical eBay prices I
expect.

-- 
Duncan Snowden. 

B Integer out of range, 910:3 

Program: Peter Thomas

Bytes: Wednesday

> Die-hard copyright-advocates would argue against anyone distributing
> material that's no longer commercially unavailable. I take a middle
> ground, seeing that it's relevant for some cases, and some not. In
> this case, I think the *old* YS scans are fair game. I know it's not
> necessarily legal, but I think it's morally right. Others may
> disagree (I can think of a few who will), "morally" is a subjective
> viewpoint, but I find it curious that WOS doesn't get criticised for
> its copyright infringement from such fans of copyright law.

I wouldn't exactly say they're "fair game", but it is a good point. It's
debatable whether Live would have been prompted to do the YS supplement
without the fan sites, including the WOS scans.

But that's an argument in favour of Future turning a blind eye to it (or,
even better, giving permission), not scanning willy-nilly [Oo-er!
-Ed.] whether Future's happy about it or not. I wouldn't even claim that
it's "morally right"; just a bloody good idea that Future *should* be in
favour of if they've any sense.

-- 
Duncan Snowden. 

o Too many tied notes, 1350:3 

Steve Anderson. Wednesday. comp.sys.sinclair. Tch, eh?

> And I've been  listening to Piney Gir of late, and she lives in a
> beautiful 80s synth  world.

You, sir, are officialy a man of taste and distinction.

Why I should be surprised at this from a regular poster to CSS, I don't
know of course, but there you are.

-- 
Duncan Snowden. 

d Too many brackets, 1240:4 

Peter Thomas wrote:
>>> I wonder what eBay prices will be like for this gem in a few 
>>> months
>>> time? (NOT that I am considering selling it.)
>> Along with virtually everyone else, ensuring astronomical eBay
>> prices I expect.
> I still don't think it'll be as good as The Big Final Issue from 
> 1993.

But does this devalue my Big "Final Issue"?  - After all, it may be 
big but it's no longer the final issue.

MikeW

Duncan Snowden wrote:

> You, sir, are officialy a man of taste and distinction.
> 
> Why I should be surprised at this from a regular poster to CSS, I don't
> know of course, but there you are.

Why thank you. I'm amazed I've found someone who knows (a) who she is 
and (b) how utterly mind-blowingly brilliant she is. A little look at 
(the often broken) Audioscrobbler shows me as top fan =)

http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/piney%20gir

Hurrah!

Steve

Peter Thomas wrote:

> I realised this when Steve dropped in favourable mentions of the Orb
> and the Prodigy when he was writing in YS. It got very pop-culture-y
> in the end, with Steve seemingly being the dance music fan, Linda
> being the indie chick, and had SU-refugee Tony Dillon stayed on a bit
> longer, he could have been the rock freak.

It was never that clean cut from my stays in the shed, from what I 
recall! Also dancey stuff was better then than the music-by-numbers 
chart wallpaper of today. When I were a lad... etc. (Best recent dance 
track has been Deep Dish's Flashdance, IMHO.)

In the great musical boiling pot of YS, you'd mix everything together 
and end up with Kid A/Amnesiac by Radiohead =)

Steve

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:00:18 +0000 (UTC), Steve Anderson
<steve@thisisobviouslyfake.twindx.soisthis.com> wrote:

>> I realised this when Steve dropped in favourable mentions of the Orb
>> and the Prodigy when he was writing in YS. It got very pop-culture-y
>> in the end, with Steve seemingly being the dance music fan, Linda
>> being the indie chick, and had SU-refugee Tony Dillon stayed on a bit
>> longer, he could have been the rock freak.
>It was never that clean cut from my stays in the shed, from what I 
>recall! 

Well said. The house scene has been disappearing up its own backside,
but no-one's pointed this out to them. "Call On Me" is basically a
sample of a few seconds repeated seemingly for an infinite amount of
time.

>Also dancey stuff was better then than the music-by-numbers 
>chart wallpaper of today. When I were a lad... etc. (Best recent dance 
>track has been Deep Dish's Flashdance, IMHO.)

I'm biased to the Prodigy, and their great new album, although their
2002 single was utter horseshite. Not much decent dance music at all
these days.

>In the great musical boiling pot of YS, you'd mix everything together 
>and end up with Kid A/Amnesiac by Radiohead =)

I'd like to hear Radiohead cover 'Hold My Hand Very Tightly'.

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co [dot] uk� 

Peter Thomas wrote:

> I'd like to hear Radiohead cover 'Hold My Hand Very Tightly'.

That sounds like a challenge to me =)

Whistlin' Rick Wilson doing "Knives Out" would be a perfect B-side as well.

Steve

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:41:06 +0000 (UTC), Nick Humphries wrote:

> "Matthew Wilson" <matthew@mjwilson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1d4dn0t75nkpvkinhlc23q41cnrf7mfloa@4ax.com
> 
>> Matt Bielby, T'zer, David McCandless, Mike Gerrard, Dr Berkmann, and
>> Jonathan Davies also crop up.
> 
> Blimey! They've chosen well, all of them are "classic" YS people - I was
> afraid they'd go for the later and/or more obscure people. (of course no
> offence meant to those people, but if you're going to have a YS Tribute
> then you might as well get the people who were there the longest and
> during its most popular era)

No offence taken. Much. But heck, I guess it's easy to criticise when you
didn't write for said magazine.

Grrrr.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC), Nick Humphries wrote:

> "Shaun Bebbington" <shaun.bebbington@livepublishing.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:44a24a6c.0410200709.e8b3aa@posting.google.com
> 
>> I hope that no-one else minds here, but one person (mentioning no
>> names) was "deeply insulted" that I ended up as a staff writer for the
>> YS supplement, and therefore my picture-type-thing couldn't be
>> included in the issue because of scary threats like "We've got your
>> Commodore 128, which is gonna have its SID removed and fried if you
>> write one word for the YS thingy". Despite this, my name did end up in
>> the credits, so I guess that's the end for my beloved machine :(
> 
> Blimey - it wasn't a certain ex-YS-freelancer who just surfaced on the
> WOS forums was it? He's not happy...

Understandably so - given that a huge chunk of ex-YSers didn't even get so
much as an email regarding this.

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:05:21 -0700 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Simon Cooke:

> > Blimey - it wasn't a certain ex-YS-freelancer who just surfaced on the
> > WOS forums was it? He's not happy...
> 
> Understandably so - given that a huge chunk of ex-YSers didn't even get so
> much as an email regarding this.

I would have expected them to have emailed everybody involved (that
they could find, anyway), to let them know what they were planning on
doing.  There are a few people missing from the interviews that I
would have expected to be there.  On the plus side, if they do YS95,
they still have people left to interview to fill up the space with. 
If they did contact everybody, there is no way they would have been
able to fit everything in the mag.  Either they only contact enough
people to fill the pages, or they contact everybody and don't print it
all.  Either way they are going to upset somebody.

Chris


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At some point in the past (Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:05:21 GMT, as it
happens), somebody called Simon Cooke
<simonREMOVEcooke@earthREMOVElink.net> made the following views known to
all at comp.sys.sinclair 

>> Blimey - it wasn't a certain ex-YS-freelancer who just surfaced on
>> the WOS forums was it? He's not happy...
> 
> Understandably so - given that a huge chunk of ex-YSers didn't even
> get so much as an email regarding this.

None of the post-Bielby era of writers got so much as a mention - although 
they did use the photo of the final YS team. That bothered me. 

But, I don't mean any disrespect here; but the majority of those who were 
interviewed - Bielby, T'zer, Phil South, Marcus Berkmann, David McCandless 
- they basically shaped YS. In fact, they shaped computer magazines in 
general. And, in Matt B's case, other types of magazines as well - the 
closest current magazine you'll get to YS's original style is SFX, the 
brainchild of Bielby and another ex-YS'er, Dave Golder. J Nash, Rich 
Pelley, Steve Anderson and the rest who were writing at the end were just 
basically influenced by these people; the early YS writers. I mean, Duncan 
McDonald would have been proud of YS2, for a start. 

It would have been nice to see interviews with Jonathan Nash, Linda Barker 
(not the annoying one), Andy Ide and Rich Pelley as well. And where was 
Kevin Cox, the original YS editor? Or Pete Shaw? Or Leigh Loveday? Okay, 
perhaps not Leigh Loveday. But there's time for that. YS95 will have to 
happen. Simple.

Steve
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Steve Farrell wrote:

> J Nash, Rich 
> Pelley, Steve Anderson and the rest who were writing at the end were just 
> basically influenced by these people; the early YS writers. I mean, Duncan 
> McDonald would have been proud of YS2, for a start. 

I wouldn't say that about Jonathan. He had a style entirely of his own, 
which you could see when you met him and continue to see in his post-YS 
work. He influenced me more than anyone else, probably because I dealt 
with him exclusively through YS and thereafter, so his ideas and style 
rubbed off.

My favourite piece of his work he credited to me on The Weekly website, 
which is the true story of the destruction of my old garden. My landlord 
at the time had a dicky fit; fortunately this was unrelated to my 
"Apocolypse Now" themed garden.

http://theweekly.co.uk/4401/irregular_dread/

Steve

On 24 Oct 2004 20:24:01 -0500 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Steve Farrell:

> It would have been nice to see interviews with Jonathan Nash, Linda Barker 
> (not the annoying one), Andy Ide and Rich Pelley as well. And where was 
> Kevin Cox, the original YS editor? Or Pete Shaw? Or Leigh Loveday? Okay, 
> perhaps not Leigh Loveday.

I would add Duncan MacDonald (if you can get hold of him, and he has
an incredibly busy schedule I'm told) and David Wilson to that list. 
That would be pretty much all the "big names" covered (no offence to
anybody not on the list)

> But there's time for that. YS95 will have to happen. Simple.

YS95 should have:

* A proper cardboard cover
* Proper Juggler pics
* Interviews with the aforementioned people
* A letters page (YS94 may generate enough letters to hold back for
YS95, though ideally you'd need people writing in tips and hex
listings as well), with the usual features.
* The Pico family should be re-instated on the letters page of
course.
* SpecTecJr (as I know somebody is itching to write a column :)

I'll let others add to this...

Chris

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At some point in the past (Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:46:54 GMT, as it
happens), somebody called Steve Anderson
<steve@thisisobviouslyfake.twindx.soisthis.com> made the following views
known to all at comp.sys.sinclair 

> Steve Farrell wrote:
> 
>> J Nash, Rich 
>> Pelley, Steve Anderson and the rest who were writing at the end were
>> just basically influenced by these people; the early YS writers. I
>> mean, Duncan McDonald would have been proud of YS2, for a start. 
> 
> I wouldn't say that about Jonathan. He had a style entirely of his
> own, which you could see when you met him and continue to see in his
> post-YS work. He influenced me more than anyone else, probably because
> I dealt with him exclusively through YS and thereafter, so his ideas
> and style rubbed off.

I've always loved Nash's work, especially the post-YS stuff in Amiga Power.  
The script reviews are sheer brilliance, and have clearly influenced the 
'Abridged Script' column in Total Film. In a way he, and Stuart Campbell, 
have influenced the way I speak and write. (I tend to insult people by 
calling them a 'whining childish hatemonger' rather than simply 'a wanker', 
for example). But I think there was a little bit of Dunc in J Nash. Maybe 
not much, but a little, but he developed his own identity over time - his 
style in latter APs and on The Weekly is vastly different to his early 
reviews for YS. 

It certainly is a particularly unique style he has. I'm still hoping to see 
It Was A Time Of Darkness in novel form. I actually showed it to a Lord Of 
The Rings fan, exactly the thing it was making fun of, and she loved it.

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"Nick Humphries, via obd" <nickjunk@egyptus.co.uk> escreveu na mensagem
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0410181747230.25340@obd...
> 1) Go to http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/retro/retro9.shtml
>
> 2) Read to the very bottom.
>
> 3) Faint. Or hyperventilate. Or feel an odd sense of arousal. Or all
> three.
>
> This looks seriously brilliant...
>
> -- 
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> Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk
> YSRnRY documentary - http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/tvprog/
> The Tipshop - http://www.the-tipshop.co.uk/
>

Just for the record, i just purchased (online) 2 copies of the Retro Gamer
Issue 9 (YS Special) as it seems to be the only way to get this magazine in
Portugal.

Regards,
RootShell

"RootShell" <rootshell@netcabo.pt> writes:

> Just for the record, i just purchased (online) 2 copies of the
> Retro Gamer Issue 9 (YS Special) as it seems to be the only way
> to get this magazine in Portugal.

And even if you found it in a store, the YS supplement would not
have been included in that copy, so it was your only option apart
from subscribing or go on a weekend trip to the UK. :-)

-- 
Anders Carlsson

> Just for the record, i just purchased (online) 2 copies of the Retro Gamer
> Issue 9 (YS Special) as it seems to be the only way to get this magazine
in
> Portugal.
>
> Regards,
> RootShell
>

Two because i recently read a story here about a cat/dog/mouse eating the
spectrum Magazines? lol... i wont take any risks... one for the firevault
and other for reading :)

Regards,
RootShell

> And even if you found it in a store, the YS supplement would not
> have been included in that copy, so it was your only option apart
> from subscribing or go on a weekend trip to the UK. :-)
>
> -- 
> Anders Carlsson

By "so it was your only option apart from subscribing or go on a weekend
trip to the UK" you mean that i purchased the Retro Gamer Issue 9 with the
YS supplement right? I emailed Retro Gamer asking this and no repply yet.

Anyone bought the magazine online (outside of the uk)? and received the YS
Special with it? Please advise, since now im scared i wont receive the YS
Special edition with my online ordered Retro Gamer Issue 9 :( I REALLY only
want the YS Special :(

Regards,
RootShell

RootShell wrote:

> Anyone bought the magazine online (outside of the uk)? and received the YS
> Special with it? Please advise, since now im scared i wont receive the YS
> Special edition with my online ordered Retro Gamer Issue 9 :( I REALLY only
> want the YS Special :(

The publishers *have* confirmed (somewhere, the Retro Gamer message 
board I think) that people outside the UK ordering copies through the 
website *will* receive the YS special. The only copies which are missing 
the supplement are the ones in shops outside the UK.

> Just for the record, i just purchased (online) 2 copies of the Retro Gamer
> Issue 9 (YS Special) as it seems to be the only way to get this magazine
in
> Portugal.

Confirmed by RetroGamer... the YS is included :) pfuuuu was starting to get
really really worried that it wouldnt :(

:)))))))))

Regards,
RootShell

RootShell wrote:

> By "so it was your only option apart from subscribing or go on a weekend
> trip to the UK" you mean that i purchased the Retro Gamer Issue 9 with the
> YS supplement right? I emailed Retro Gamer asking this and no repply yet.

They have specifically stated several times that all website purchases 
come with the YS supplement. It's only going to be copies in shops 
outside the UK that are missing it. You'll be fine.

Steve