Hello,

Is it possible to insert duplex information inside pdf?

Thanks

Fabrizio

> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to insert duplex information inside pdf?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fabrizio

I've never seen it. You can probably put that information in a jobticket,
but how well are jobtickets supported at this moment?

Waldo

For a particular printer (or printer family) or in general?


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"Pivari.com" <info@pivari.com> wrote:

>Is it possible to insert duplex information inside pdf?

No. No printing control at all.
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Fabrizio,

> For a particular printer (or printer family) or in general?

The question is a general question.
If it's possible with special printers is a good first step.

Fabrizio

Aandi,

> No. No printing control at all.

Can't I use trick (e.g. PS lines inside)?
Is a possible correct way JDF?

Fabrizio

"Pivari.com" <info@pivari.com> wrote:

>Aandi,
>
>> No. No printing control at all.
>
>Can't I use trick (e.g. PS lines inside)?

Up to Acrobat 5 you can use something called PostScript XObjects, but
these must obey the rules of EPS, which forbid device control.

>Is a possible correct way JDF?

If you have a JDF workflow, that must control this.
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Aandi,

> Up to Acrobat 5 you can use something called PostScript XObjects, but
> these must obey the rules of EPS, which forbid device control.

:(

>>Is a possible correct way JDF? 
> If you have a JDF workflow, that must control this.

:(

This means the the only possible way is to use an external printing command.

Can Acrobat Reader give the possibility to control batch the printer 
selection and the printer features?

Fabrizio

On Xerox printers + DocuSP controller you can use Xerox Job ticket
commands.
The "options" must be placed at the beginning of the pdf file, before
the %PDF.

So, the resulting "Pdf" is something like:

%XRXbegin: 001.0300
%XRXPDLformat: PDF
%XRXrequirements: duplex
%XRXend
%PDF-1.3....
.............
.............
%%EOF



Note: if you have many %XRX commands, Acrobat is unable to open the
resultingd pdf.



    Best regards


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"Pivari.com" <info@pivari.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Fabrizio,
>
> > For a particular printer (or printer family) or in general?
>
> The question is a general question.
> If it's possible with special printers is a good first step.
>
> Fabrizio

"Pivari.com" <info@pivari.com> wrote:
>
>Can Acrobat Reader give the possibility to control batch the printer 
>selection and the printer features?

Selection, yes: with DDE.

Printer features no. Windows API to change default printer features
first.
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Hello, Fabrizio!
You wrote  on Mon, 24 May 2004 16:42:02 +0200:

 FA> So, the resulting "Pdf" is something like:

 FA> %XRXbegin: 001.0300
 FA> %XRXPDLformat: PDF
 FA> %XRXrequirements: duplex
 FA> %XRXend
 FA> %PDF-1.3....
 FA> ............
 FA> ............
 FA> %%EOF

 FA> Note: if you have many %XRX commands, Acrobat is unable to open the
 FA> resultingd pdf.

That is documented behavior.
Accordingly with PDF Specification 1.5 (specifically - Implementation Notes
13 and 14)
PDF Header in form "%PDF-M.m" or "%!PS-Adobe-N.n PDF-M.m" should appear
somewhere within the first 1024 bytes of the file.

With best regards, Dmitry Sklyarov.  E-mail: dmit@elcomsoft.com

"Dmitry Sklyarov 291875429" <dmit@elcomsoft.com> wrote:
>
> That is documented behavior.
> Accordingly with PDF Specification 1.5 (specifically - Implementation
Notes
> 13 and 14)
> PDF Header in form "%PDF-M.m" or "%!PS-Adobe-N.n PDF-M.m" should
appear
> somewhere within the first 1024 bytes of the file.

Yes. I know.

Infact it's important to make a copy of the original pdf before
inserting %XRX commands.


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Fabrizio,

> On Xerox printers + DocuSP controller you can use Xerox Job ticket
> commands.
> The "options" must be placed at the beginning of the pdf file, before
> the %PDF.
> 
> So, the resulting "Pdf" is something like:
> 
> %XRXbegin: 001.0300
> %XRXPDLformat: PDF
> %XRXrequirements: duplex
> %XRXend

Very interested answer :)
Do you know similar tricks to other printers?

Thanks a lot

Fabrizio

Fabrizio,
> Infact it's important to make a copy of the original pdf before
> inserting %XRX commands.

%XRX
....
in PDF are commets.
If I'm able to put them after %PDF-1.3 can they work?

Fabrizio

"Pivari.com" <info@pivari.com> wrote:

>Fabrizio,
>> Infact it's important to make a copy of the original pdf before
>> inserting %XRX commands.
>
>%XRX
>...
>in PDF are commets.
>If I'm able to put them after %PDF-1.3 can they work?

No, that will break the xref table in the PDF.  The xref table
contains addresses of every object in the file. You can add lines
before %PDF only because Acrobat considers the %PDF to be the first
bytes, even if there is something first.  But bear in mind some PDF
consumers may reject even this.
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Aandi,

> No, that will break the xref table in the PDF.

I know.
The question is: if I know the way to modify a PDF and I put the XRX 
information after %PDF... can the Xerox printer understand the ticket 
and print the pdf e.g. duplex?

Fabrizio

Hello,

In this very interesting post I've found
http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf-forms@lists.pdfzone.com/msg01162.html
you can read

2) You can use KDK or XRX commands prepended to the front of the job.

What's KDK?
Where can I find more information about it?

Fabrizio

"Pivari.com" <info@pivari.com> wrote:
>
> Very interested answer :)
> Do you know similar tricks to other printers?

No. Sorry.

I forgot to say that Creo controllers on Xerox printer have a limited
support of XRX commands.
They support few of them.

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PDF can include PDF XObjects which are specifically printer-dependent.

PDF 1.1 7.13.8
PDF enables a document to include PostScript language fragments in a page

description. These fragments are printer-dependent and take effect only when

printing on a PostScript printer. They have no effect either when viewing
the file or

when printing to a non-PostScript printer. In addition, applications that
understand

PDF are unlikely to be able to interpret the PostScript language fragments.
Hence,

this capability should be used only if there is no other way to achieve the
same

result.


So sure, you can insert duplexing data.  The data might be ignored.
Other bad things might happen too.

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> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to insert duplex information inside pdf?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fabrizio