Acrobat reader only shows two pages side by side ("facing").  Is there
a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-bit)
that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting a
new row in the window for successive pages?  (I note that Google Docs
will do this, but an app residing on my machine would be nice too).

In article 
<bd06a74b-998f-4145-a259-ef1fc7fd8e87@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
 AndyHancock <andymhancock@gmail.com> wrote:

> Acrobat reader only shows two pages side by side ("facing").  Is there
> a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-bit)
> that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
> application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting a
> new row in the window for successive pages?  (I note that Google Docs
> will do this, but an app residing on my machine would be nice too).

Acrobat will let you:

1 "Extract" all the pages in myDoc.pdf into individual PDF pages called 
myDoc 1.pdf, myDoc 2.pdf, �, myDoc n.pdf and located in the same folder 
(leaving myDoc.pdf unchanged).

2)  Open whatever subset of the myDoc n.pdf pages you want to.

3)  Tile the opened pages in horiz or vert arrays, however you like.

4)  Do editing on any of these pages, if you want to.

5)  Close 'em all, and either (a) just go back to the original myDoc.pdf 
if you haven't made any changes, or (b) reassemble all the myDoc 1.pdf 
to myDoc n.pdf pages into a new myDoc.pdf in a very fast simple fashion.

(Can of course also insert some additional pages from elsewhere into the 
document in step 3(b) if you like.)

Whole process works pretty rapidly, actually -- though my cc of the 
Acrobat app can be very slow to Open and Close.

On Dec 14, 12:03=C2=A0pm, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <bd06a74b-998f-4145-a259-ef1fc7fd8...@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
>
> =C2=A0AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Acrobat reader only shows two pages side by side ("facing"). =C2=A0Is t=
here
> > a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-bit)
> > that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
> > application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting a
> > new row in the window for successive pages? =C2=A0(I note that Google D=
ocs
> > will do this, but an app residing on my machine would be nice too).
>
> Acrobat will let you:
>
> 1 "Extract" all the pages in myDoc.pdf into individual PDF pages called
> myDoc 1.pdf, myDoc 2.pdf, =C5=A0, myDoc n.pdf and located in the same fol=
der
> (leaving myDoc.pdf unchanged).
>
> 2) =C2=A0Open whatever subset of the myDoc n.pdf pages you want to.
>
> 3) =C2=A0Tile the opened pages in horiz or vert arrays, however you like.
>
> 4) =C2=A0Do editing on any of these pages, if you want to.
>
> 5) =C2=A0Close 'em all, and either (a) just go back to the original myDoc=
..pdf
> if you haven't made any changes, or (b) reassemble all the myDoc 1.pdf
> to myDoc n.pdf pages into a new myDoc.pdf in a very fast simple fashion.
>
> (Can of course also insert some additional pages from elsewhere into the
> document in step 3(b) if you like.)
>
> Whole process works pretty rapidly, actually -- though my cc of the
> Acrobat app can be very slow to Open and Close.

I was thinking of means of viewing the pages where the number of pages
that fits horizontally changes dynamically as you change zoom.  But
I'm curious about your method.  What do you use to tile the pages into
a (2D) array?  And what do you mean in 5b about reassembling?  I'm not
actually editting the pages, nor am I deleting/inserting pages.  I
just want an 2D array of pages, and the horizontal number of pages
varies depending on the zoom.

In article 
<e2a0f292-2d85-404c-9965-3009a2f8932b@y3g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
 AndyHancock <andymhancock@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 14, 12:03 pm, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> > In article
> > <bd06a74b-998f-4145-a259-ef1fc7fd8...@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Acrobat reader only shows two pages side by side ("facing").  Is there
> > > a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-bit)
> > > that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
> > > application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting a
> > > new row in the window for successive pages?  (I note that Google Docs
> > > will do this, but an app residing on my machine would be nice too).
> >
> > Acrobat will let you:
> >
> > 1 "Extract" all the pages in myDoc.pdf into individual PDF pages called
> > myDoc 1.pdf, myDoc 2.pdf, Š, myDoc n.pdf and located in the same folder
> > (leaving myDoc.pdf unchanged).
> >
> > 2)  Open whatever subset of the myDoc n.pdf pages you want to.
> >
> > 3)  Tile the opened pages in horiz or vert arrays, however you like.
> >
> > 4)  Do editing on any of these pages, if you want to.
> >
> > 5)  Close 'em all, and either (a) just go back to the original myDoc.pdf
> > if you haven't made any changes, or (b) reassemble all the myDoc 1.pdf
> > to myDoc n.pdf pages into a new myDoc.pdf in a very fast simple fashion.
> >
> > (Can of course also insert some additional pages from elsewhere into the
> > document in step 3(b) if you like.)
> >
> > Whole process works pretty rapidly, actually -- though my cc of the
> > Acrobat app can be very slow to Open and Close.

As a curiosity, this reply from you, viewed on my Mac under Snow Leopard 
and using MT NewsWatcher, opened up in my usual Western font coding, 
starting from the start of your reply down to the ellipsis that had been 
present in the middle of the paragraph number "1" above (which looks 
like an Angstrom character now).  From that point on the text appeared 
in some much smaller font and coding.

I went to MT-NewsWatcher's  Edit >> Decode as >> . . .  menu and 
selected the first choice:  Western (ISO Latin 1); and the entire 
message converted over into my usual coding.

Haven't seen that particular thing happen before . . . coding change in 
the middle of message.
 
> I was thinking of means of viewing the pages where the number of pages
> that fits horizontally changes dynamically as you change zoom.  But
> I'm curious about your method.  What do you use to tile the pages into
> a (2D) array?  And what do you mean in 5b about reassembling?  
 
You can Open an arbitrary number of individual PDF files (e.g., a number 
of extracted myDoc n.pdf pages) all at once in Acrobat (you can do this, 
for example, by selecting all the individual file icons on the desktop, 
then hitting Cmd-O (oh).)  

The Acrobat menu command Window >> Tile >> Horizontal OR Vertical then 
tiles all of them, equally sized, in rows and columns filling the 
Acrobat window on your display.  Exact tiling depends on how many files 
you've opened.

Acrobat also has a menu command File >> Create PDF >> From Multiple 
Files...  Using it, you can select a group of files (like myDoc 1.pdf, 
myDoc 2.pdf, . . . ) and quickly create a new PDF file which copies all 
the files in that group into a new multi-page file (the individual 
starting files are left untouched in this process).

On Dec 15, 1:08=C2=A0pm, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <e2a0f292-2d85-404c-9965-3009a2f89...@y3g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> =C2=A0AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 14, 12:03=C2=A0pm, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <bd06a74b-998f-4145-a259-ef1fc7fd8...@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > =C2=A0AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Acrobat reader only shows two pages side by side ("facing"). =C2=A0=
Is there
> > > > a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-bit=
)
> > > > that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
> > > > application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting a
> > > > new row in the window for successive pages? =C2=A0(I note that Goog=
le Docs
> > > > will do this, but an app residing on my machine would be nice too).
>
> > > Acrobat will let you:
>
> > > 1 "Extract" all the pages in myDoc.pdf into individual PDF pages call=
ed
> > > myDoc 1.pdf, myDoc 2.pdf, =C5=A0, myDoc n.pdf and located in the same=
 folder
> > > (leaving myDoc.pdf unchanged).
>
> > > 2) =C2=A0Open whatever subset of the myDoc n.pdf pages you want to.
>
> > > 3) =C2=A0Tile the opened pages in horiz or vert arrays, however you l=
ike.
>
> > > 4) =C2=A0Do editing on any of these pages, if you want to.
>
> > > 5) =C2=A0Close 'em all, and either (a) just go back to the original m=
yDoc.pdf
> > > if you haven't made any changes, or (b) reassemble all the myDoc 1.pd=
f
> > > to myDoc n.pdf pages into a new myDoc.pdf in a very fast simple fashi=
on.
>
> > > (Can of course also insert some additional pages from elsewhere into =
the
> > > document in step 3(b) if you like.)
>
> > > Whole process works pretty rapidly, actually -- though my cc of the
> > > Acrobat app can be very slow to Open and Close.
>
> As a curiosity, this reply from you, viewed on my Mac under Snow Leopard
> and using MT NewsWatcher, opened up in my usual Western font coding,
> starting from the start of your reply down to the ellipsis that had been
> present in the middle of the paragraph number "1" above (which looks
> like an Angstrom character now). =C2=A0From that point on the text appear=
ed
> in some much smaller font and coding.
>
> I went to MT-NewsWatcher's =C2=A0Edit >> Decode as >> . . . =C2=A0menu an=
d
> selected the first choice: =C2=A0Western (ISO Latin 1); and the entire
> message converted over into my usual coding.
>
> Haven't seen that particular thing happen before . . . coding change in
> the middle of message.
>
> > I was thinking of means of viewing the pages where the number of pages
> > that fits horizontally changes dynamically as you change zoom. =C2=A0Bu=
t
> > I'm curious about your method. =C2=A0What do you use to tile the pages =
into
> > a (2D) array? =C2=A0And what do you mean in 5b about reassembling? =C2=
=A0
>
> You can Open an arbitrary number of individual PDF files (e.g., a number
> of extracted myDoc n.pdf pages) all at once in Acrobat (you can do this,
> for example, by selecting all the individual file icons on the desktop,
> then hitting Cmd-O (oh).) =C2=A0
>
> The Acrobat menu command Window >> Tile >> Horizontal OR Vertical then
> tiles all of them, equally sized, in rows and columns filling the
> Acrobat window on your display. =C2=A0Exact tiling depends on how many fi=
les
> you've opened.
>
> Acrobat also has a menu command File >> Create PDF >> From Multiple
> Files... =C2=A0Using it, you can select a group of files (like myDoc 1.pd=
f,
> myDoc 2.pdf, . . . ) and quickly create a new PDF file which copies all
> the files in that group into a new multi-page file (the individual
> starting files are left untouched in this process).

It seems that the closest effect to what I want to achive is to open
all the single-page PDF's and tile the windows.  I achieved the same
effect by opening multiple windows into the same file, showing a
different page in each window, then tiling the windows.  I may have to
rearrange the positions of some of the windows (or equivalently,
change the pages of successive windows so that they correspond to
successive pages.

There is a trade-off with this approach.  A lot of area is taken up by
the periphery of each window, which includes the title bar, the tabs
along the left, the page advancement bar along the bottom, and the
scroll bar along the right.

Did I understand your solution correctly?  If so, I am still missing
the purpose of the final part, which is to save the multiple windows
into a single PDF file.  By this, I mean that I don't get point of
this last step even if I did create multiple PDF files corresponding
to one page each, and opened each file up as a window.  I was
wondering if you could let me know what I'm missing.

I forgot to respond to your font question.  I also added an example of
the sought functionality at the bottom.

On Dec 15, 10:38=C2=A0pm, AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 15, 1:08=C2=A0pm, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <e2a0f292-2d85-404c-9965-3009a2f89...@y3g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > =C2=A0AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 14, 12:03=C2=A0pm, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <bd06a74b-998f-4145-a259-ef1fc7fd8...@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > > =C2=A0AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Acrobat reader only shows two pages side by side ("facing"). =C2=
=A0Is there
> > > > > a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-b=
it)
> > > > > that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
> > > > > application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting=
 a
> > > > > new row in the window for successive pages? =C2=A0(I note that Go=
ogle Docs
> > > > > will do this, but an app residing on my machine would be nice too=
).
>
> > > > Acrobat will let you:
>
> > > > 1 "Extract" all the pages in myDoc.pdf into individual PDF pages ca=
lled
> > > > myDoc 1.pdf, myDoc 2.pdf, =C5=A0, myDoc n.pdf and located in the sa=
me folder
> > > > (leaving myDoc.pdf unchanged).
>
> > > > 2) =C2=A0Open whatever subset of the myDoc n.pdf pages you want to.
>
> > > > 3) =C2=A0Tile the opened pages in horiz or vert arrays, however you=
 like.
>
> > > > 4) =C2=A0Do editing on any of these pages, if you want to.
>
> > > > 5) =C2=A0Close 'em all, and either (a) just go back to the original=
 myDoc.pdf
> > > > if you haven't made any changes, or (b) reassemble all the myDoc 1.=
pdf
> > > > to myDoc n.pdf pages into a new myDoc.pdf in a very fast simple fas=
hion.
>
> > > > (Can of course also insert some additional pages from elsewhere int=
o the
> > > > document in step 3(b) if you like.)
>
> > > > Whole process works pretty rapidly, actually -- though my cc of the
> > > > Acrobat app can be very slow to Open and Close.
>
> > As a curiosity, this reply from you, viewed on my Mac under Snow Leopar=
d
> > and using MT NewsWatcher, opened up in my usual Western font coding,
> > starting from the start of your reply down to the ellipsis that had bee=
n
> > present in the middle of the paragraph number "1" above (which looks
> > like an Angstrom character now). =C2=A0From that point on the text appe=
ared
> > in some much smaller font and coding.
>
> > I went to MT-NewsWatcher's =C2=A0Edit >> Decode as >> . . . =C2=A0menu =
and
> > selected the first choice: =C2=A0Western (ISO Latin 1); and the entire
> > message converted over into my usual coding.
>
> > Haven't seen that particular thing happen before . . . coding change in
> > the middle of message.

I submit & read grouples view google groups.  I wasn't even aware that
formatting was allowed.

> > > I was thinking of means of viewing the pages where the number of page=
s
> > > that fits horizontally changes dynamically as you change zoom. =C2=A0=
But
> > > I'm curious about your method. =C2=A0What do you use to tile the page=
s into
> > > a (2D) array? =C2=A0And what do you mean in 5b about reassembling? =
=C2=A0
>
> > You can Open an arbitrary number of individual PDF files (e.g., a numbe=
r
> > of extracted myDoc n.pdf pages) all at once in Acrobat (you can do this=
,
> > for example, by selecting all the individual file icons on the desktop,
> > then hitting Cmd-O (oh).) =C2=A0
>
> > The Acrobat menu command Window >> Tile >> Horizontal OR Vertical then
> > tiles all of them, equally sized, in rows and columns filling the
> > Acrobat window on your display. =C2=A0Exact tiling depends on how many =
files
> > you've opened.
>
> > Acrobat also has a menu command File >> Create PDF >> From Multiple
> > Files... =C2=A0Using it, you can select a group of files (like myDoc 1.=
pdf,
> > myDoc 2.pdf, . . . ) and quickly create a new PDF file which copies all
> > the files in that group into a new multi-page file (the individual
> > starting files are left untouched in this process).
>
> It seems that the closest effect to what I want to achive is to open
> all the single-page PDF's and tile the windows. =C2=A0I achieved the same
> effect by opening multiple windows into the same file, showing a
> different page in each window, then tiling the windows. =C2=A0I may have =
to
> rearrange the positions of some of the windows (or equivalently,
> change the pages of successive windows so that they correspond to
> successive pages.
>
> There is a trade-off with this approach. =C2=A0A lot of area is taken up =
by
> the periphery of each window, which includes the title bar, the tabs
> along the left, the page advancement bar along the bottom, and the
> scroll bar along the right.
>
> Did I understand your solution correctly? =C2=A0If so, I am still missing
> the purpose of the final part, which is to save the multiple windows
> into a single PDF file. =C2=A0By this, I mean that I don't get point of
> this last step even if I did create multiple PDF files corresponding
> to one page each, and opened each file up as a window. =C2=A0I was
> wondering if you could let me know what I'm missing.

As an example of the ideal functionality I'm hoping to find, if you
have a Word or Framemaker document spanning numerous pages, then
unzooming enough will cause multiple pages to show in the Word/
Framemaker window.  They tile row-wise.  The tiling changes
dynamically with zoom.  Hoping there's a similar effect that can be
had with PDF files.

In article 
<d443931f-c6ae-4249-8ed3-1e9c4f3e647b@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
 AndyHancock <andymhancock@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Did I understand your solution correctly?  If so, I am still missing
> the purpose of the final part, which is to save the multiple windows
> into a single PDF file.  By this, I mean that I don't get point of
> this last step even if I did create multiple PDF files corresponding
> to one page each, and opened each file up as a window.  I was
> wondering if you could let me know what I'm missing.

IFF you edit the content of some of your pages (i.e., the some of the 
pages you split out into separate files) . . .

or IFF you want to insert some new pages in between the pages that were 
extracted from your original document . . . 

and IFF you then want to assemble these _modified or added_ pages into a 
new master version of your starting document . . . 

then you can do this quite easily using Acrobat.

NOTES:

1)  "IFF" is a shorthand for "If and only if".

2)  We all realize that PDF files are not intended to be easily editable 
documents or files (they're not intended to be word-processable 
documents, for example).

3)  But, there are some editing things that you can do on PDF files, and 
it's sometimes worthwhile to do this.

4)  And finally, I'm not saying that Acrobat is a _good_ or _preferred_ 
way to do what you originally asked about.

However, it is _one_ way (maybe a bit clumsy) to do what you wanted to 
do; I don't myself know other ways to do what you wanted to do; and in 
my experience Acrobat (and Illustrator) are both quite good tools to use 
in working on PDF files generally.

Best of luck with whatever you try . . .

On Dec 16, 3:43=A0pm, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <d443931f-c6ae-4249-8ed3-1e9c4f3e6...@fm22g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> =A0AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did I understand your solution correctly? =A0If so, I am still missing
> > the purpose of the final part, which is to save the multiple windows
> > into a single PDF file. =A0By this, I mean that I don't get point of
> > this last step even if I did create multiple PDF files corresponding
> > to one page each, and opened each file up as a window. =A0I was
> > wondering if you could let me know what I'm missing.
>
> IFF you edit the content of some of your pages (i.e., the some of the
> pages you split out into separate files) . . .
>
> or IFF you want to insert some new pages in between the pages that were
> extracted from your original document . . .
>
> and IFF you then want to assemble these _modified or added_ pages into a
> new master version of your starting document . . .
>
> then you can do this quite easily using Acrobat.
>
> NOTES:
>
> 1) =A0"IFF" is a shorthand for "If and only if".
>
> 2) =A0We all realize that PDF files are not intended to be easily editabl=
e
> documents or files (they're not intended to be word-processable
> documents, for example).
>
> 3) =A0But, there are some editing things that you can do on PDF files, an=
d
> it's sometimes worthwhile to do this.
>
> 4) =A0And finally, I'm not saying that Acrobat is a _good_ or _preferred_
> way to do what you originally asked about.
>
> However, it is _one_ way (maybe a bit clumsy) to do what you wanted to
> do; I don't myself know other ways to do what you wanted to do; and in
> my experience Acrobat (and Illustrator) are both quite good tools to use
> in working on PDF files generally.
>
> Best of luck with whatever you try . . .

OK, thanks.  I suspect there isn't a good way/app to do what I want. A
painful way is to import each page I want to view into a different
page of a single Word document.  Manual laboriousness aside, however,
Word's import of PDF files is pretty bad. It rasterizes everything.  I
believe it is only because the preview is shown in the Word file, and
that the unrasterized picture is used when the document is printed to
PDF.  However, the whole problem is to get it from out of PDF into
Word, since the functionality I described is only accessible when
manipulating the editable Word file.  I thought it was a simple
functionality I was seeking, but it seems like it's not that commonly
available.

In article 
<ff166b32-a138-43f2-8351-9a913f9a275f@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
 AndyHancock <andymhancock@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Best of luck with whatever you try . . .
> 
> OK, thanks.  I suspect there isn't a good way/app to do what I want. A
> painful way is to import each page I want to view into a different
> page of a single Word document.  Manual laboriousness aside, however,
> Word's import of PDF files is pretty bad. It rasterizes everything.  I
> believe it is only because the preview is shown in the Word file, and
> that the unrasterized picture is used when the document is printed to
> PDF.  However, the whole problem is to get it from out of PDF into
> Word, since the functionality I described is only accessible when
> manipulating the editable Word file.  I thought it was a simple
> functionality I was seeking, but it seems like it's not that commonly
> available.

Acrobat 7.0 Standard (the fairly elderly version I happen to own) has a 
Save as Text command for complete PDF files, which offers a variety of 
different formats for the Saved file, including "Save as Word document" 
and "Save as RTF file".  I believe that both of them Save the contents 
of the PDF file as text if the content of the PDF file _is_ text, or is 
image content that has been OCRed in the PDF file (i.e, if you can 
search in the PDF file for text).  Just _what_ Word format is used I 
don't know; but the RTF approach works fine.

On Dec 14, 2:56=A0pm, AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-bit)
> that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
> application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting
> a new row in the window for successive pages?
> ...

Adobe Acrobat/ Reader have a =91Pages=92 navigation panel (the one with
page thumbnails) that displays pages the way you describe. You can
make it as wide as the Reader window, and there are options to
enlarge/ reduce the size of the thumbnails.

On Dec 18, 11:47=A0pm, SaGS <sags5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 2:56=A0pm, AndyHancock <andymhanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > a windows-based application (hopefully friendly to Windows 7 64-bit)
> > that spreads out PDF pages horizontally across the viewing
> > application's window, as many pages as weill fit, before starting
> > a new row in the window for successive pages?
> > ...
>
> Adobe Acrobat/ Reader have a =91Pages=92 navigation panel (the one with
> page thumbnails) that displays pages the way you describe. You can
> make it as wide as the Reader window, and there are options to
> enlarge/ reduce the size of the thumbnails.

That is amazing!  The many years that this feature has been right
there.  I never really took those side panel functions seriously.
Thank you very much, SaGS.