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LaTeX Error: ... Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual

I've lost about 75 minutes because of a poor error message.
(Of course, that's my opinion of the message.)

Here's what happened.

I'm dealing with some legacy style files.
Containing duplicate definitions.

So I'm trying to remove errors.

Here's an example:
==
*\def\wibble{} % buried in a legacy style file

*\newenvironment{wibble}{}{} % in my style file

! LaTeX Error: Command \wibble already defined.
Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual.
==

Here's the fix:
==
*\def\wibble{} % buried in a legacy style file

*\let\wibble\undefined % added to my style file

*\newenvironment{wibble}{}{} % in my style file
==

This works fine, some of the time.  But then I had:
==
*\not@telling@you@whats@buried@here

*\let\wibble\undefined % in my style file

*\newenvironment{wibble}{}{} % this used to work

! LaTeX Error: Command \wibble already defined.
Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual.

==

I get the error as if the \let was not there.

So what's going on?  It took me 75 minutes to find out.

You can find out in 10 seconds.  Scroll down to see.

But please spend a minute figuring out what might be wrong.
Recall, the message is:
==
! LaTeX Error: Command \wibble already defined.
Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual.
==

\def\endwibble{}

BWT, I've been caught by this error message before:
*\let\wibble\relax

*\newenvironment{wibble}{}{}

* % no error, no warning, nothing.  It's fine.

See:

--
Jonathan


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"Jonathan Fine" <J.Fine@open.ac.uk>  schrieb:

> I've lost about 75 minutes because of a poor error message.
> (Of course, that's my opinion of the message.)
>
[snip]

> This works fine, some of the time.  But then I had:
> ==
> *\not@telling@you@whats@buried@here
>
> *\let\wibble\undefined % in my style file
>
> *\newenvironment{wibble}{}{} % this used to work
>
> ! LaTeX Error: Command \wibble already defined.
>                Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual.
>
> ==
>
> I get the error as if the \let was not there.
>
> So what's going on?  It took me 75 minutes to find out.
>
> You can find out in 10 seconds.  Scroll down to see.

Where is the problem? The error message has an "or". So if it isn't the
first (\wibble already defined) it is the second: You shouldn't define
commands starting with \end (see the manual p. 192). If you are
bypassing LaTeX by using \def, you should know what you are doing and
not wonder, when errors arised a bit later than when using
\newcommand\end....

--
Ulrike Fischer
e-mail: zus�tzlich meinen Vornamen vor dem @ einf�gen.
e-mail: add my first name between the news and the @.

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news9686 (1970)
5/6/2005 5:07:05 PM
Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> "Jonathan Fine" <J.Fine@open.ac.uk>  schrieb:
>
>
>>I've lost about 75 minutes because of a poor error message.
>>(Of course, that's my opinion of the message.)
>>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>>This works fine, some of the time.  But then I had:
>>==
>>*\not@telling@you@whats@buried@here
>>
>>*\let\wibble\undefined % in my style file
>>
>>*\newenvironment{wibble}{}{} % this used to work
>>
>>! LaTeX Error: Command \wibble already defined.
>>               Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual.
>>
>>==
>>
>>I get the error as if the \let was not there.
>>
>>So what's going on?  It took me 75 minutes to find out.
>>
>>You can find out in 10 seconds.  Scroll down to see.
>
>
> Where is the problem? The error message has an "or". So if it isn't the
> first (\wibble already defined) it is the second:

This is assuming what you wish to conclude.
Namely that the error message is sound.

There are two possible types of error:
a)  some command is already defined
b)  an illegal name has been passed as a parameter

The error is of type (A).  But with the wrong name.

> You shouldn't define
> commands starting with \end (see the manual p. 192). If you are
> bypassing LaTeX by using \def, you should know what you are doing and
> not wonder, when errors arised a bit later than when using
> \newcommand\end....

I'm going to ignore this, and see if we can't improve the situation.

(However, please recall that I am dealing with legacy macro code.
Which I did not write.)

Let's make a list of error conditions and matching error messages.

I won't cover \newcommand, just \newenvironment.

Each example starts from scratch.

\def\wibble{} \newenvironment{wibble}{}{}

\newenvironment{endwibble}{}{}
! Environment name 'endwibble' illegal - starts with 'end'

\def\endwibble{} \newenvironment{wibble}{}{}

There we are.  This is, I hope you agree, better.

--
Jonathan


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jfine (686)
5/6/2005 5:48:35 PM
Jonathan Fine wrote:

<snip>

> Let's make a list of error conditions and matching error messages.
>
> I won't cover \newcommand, just \newenvironment.
>
> Each example starts from scratch.
>
> \def\wibble{} \newenvironment{wibble}{}{}
> ! Command \wibble already defined
>
> \newenvironment{endwibble}{}{}
> ! Environment name 'endwibble' illegal - starts with 'end'
>
> \def\endwibble{} \newenvironment{wibble}{}{}
> ! Command \endwibble already defined
>
>
> There we are.  This is, I hope you agree, better.
>

Here's the relevant part of
==
\tracingall
\def\endwibble{}
\newenvironment{wibble}{}{}
==

==
\@newenv #1#2#3#4->\@ifundefined {#1}{\expandafter \let \csname
#1\expandafter
\endcsname \csname end#1\endcsname }\relax \expandafter \new@command
\csname #1
\endcsname #2{#3}\l@ngrel@x \expandafter \def \csname end#1\endcsname {#4}
#1<-wibble
#2<-[0]
#3<-
#4<-
==

I'll explain what happens, quietly replacing
\csname wibble\endcsname
by
\wibble
and the same for \endwibble.

And I'll ignore the \relax side-effect of \csname.

1.  Is \wibble defined?  No.
2.  Make an assignment
\let\wibble\endwibble
3.  \new@command\wibble ( ... }
4.  \l@ngrel@x (which has been \let equal to \long)
5.  \def\endwibble{ ... }

It should now be clear that step 3 is giving the error.
But only because of step 2.

And that step 5 will never give the error.

I don't see why the \l@ngrel@x?
Perhaps I'll look at the source.

I suggest that the following would be an improved algorithm.

1.  Is \wibble defined?  No.
2.  \new@command\wibble{ ... }
3.  \new@command\endwibble{ ... }

This algorithm would give an improved error message.
More along the lines of the above.

Problem solved (in my opinion).

--
Jonathan


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jfine (686)
5/6/2005 6:14:06 PM
Jonathan Fine <jfine@pytex.org> wrote:

> I'm going to ignore this, and see if we can't improve the situation.

> Let's make a list of error conditions and matching error messages.
>
> I won't cover \newcommand, just \newenvironment.
>
> Each example starts from scratch.
>
> \def\wibble{} \newenvironment{wibble}{}{}
> ! Command \wibble already defined
>
> \newenvironment{endwibble}{}{}
> ! Environment name 'endwibble' illegal - starts with 'end'
>
> \def\endwibble{} \newenvironment{wibble}{}{}
> ! Command \endwibble already defined
>
>
> There we are.  This is, I hope you agree, better.

Quite incomplete.

My try for a better behaviour of LaTeX:

%%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%%
\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}
\makeatletter
\long\def\@ifdefinable #1#2{%
\edef\reserved@a{\expandafter\@gobble\string #1}%
\@ifundefined\reserved@a{%
\edef\reserved@b{\expandafter\@carcube \reserved@a xxx\@nil}%
\ifx \reserved@b\@qend \@notdefinable@end
\else
\ifx \reserved@a\@qrelax \@notdefinable@relax
\else
#2%
\fi
\fi
}{%
\edef\reserved@b{\expandafter\@carcube \reserved@a xxx\@nil}%
\ifx\reserved@b\@qend
\@notdefinable@end
\else
\@notdefinable
\fi
}%
}
\def\@notdefinable@relax{%
\@latex@error{%
You must not define command \@backslashchar relax %
or environment 'relax'%
}\@eha
}
\def\@notdefinable@end{%
\@latex@error{%
Illegal command \@backslashchar\reserved@a\space or environment %
'\reserved@a'.\MessageBreak
see p.192 of the manual%
}\@eha
}
\def\@notdefinable{%
\@latex@error{%
Command \@backslashchar\reserved@a\space or environment %
}\@eha
}

% Tests

% shorter error messages in the .log file
\errorcontextlines=-1
\def\@eha{ }%
\nonstopmode
\def\status#1#2{%
\typeout{%
*** Status: \string\wibble: \ifcase #1 un\fi defined, %
\string\endwibble: \ifcase #2 un\fi defined%
}%
\typeout{}%
\def\setup{%
\ifcase #1 \let\wibble\@undefined \or \let\wibble\@empty\fi
\ifcase #2 \let\endwibble\@undefined \or \let\endwibble\@empty\fi
}%
\setup
}
\def\deftest#1{%
\setup
\typeout{%
*** Define: #1%
}%
}

\status00

\deftest{command \string\relax}
\newcommand{\relax}{}

\deftest{environment 'relax'}
\newenvironment{relax}{}{}

\deftest{command \string\endwibble}
\newcommand{\endwibble}{}

\deftest{environment 'endwibble'}
\newenvironment{endwibble}{}{}

\status10

\deftest{command \string\wibble}
\newcommand{\wibble}{}

\deftest{environment 'wibble'}
\newenvironment{wibble}{}{}

\deftest{command \string\endwibble}
\newcommand{\endwibble}{}

\deftest{environment 'endwibble'}
\newenvironment{endwibble}{}

\status11

\deftest{command \string\wibble}
\newcommand{\wibble}{}

\deftest{environment 'wibble'}
\newenvironment{wibble}{}{}

\deftest{command \string\endwibble}
\newcommand{\endwibble}{}

\deftest{environment 'endwibble'}
\newenvironment{endwibble}{}

\status01

\deftest{command \string\wibble}
\newcommand{\wibble}{}
\typeout{--> no error (!?)}
\typeout{}

\deftest{environment 'wibble'}
\newenvironment{wibble}{}{}

\deftest{command \string\endwibble}
\newcommand{\endwibble}{}

\deftest{environment 'endwibble'}
\newenvironment{endwibble}{}

\@@end
%%% cut %%% test.tex %%% cut %%%

Yours sincerely
Heiko <oberdiek@uni-freiburg.de>

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5/6/2005 7:27:50 PM

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TURBOIMAGE error- Directed end of file
Hello Guys, =20 I'm trying to below turbo image debug error but I couldn't get any clue. Could you please help me out? =20 TURBOIMAGE error- Directed end of file - DBGET, mode=3D4 on xxxx = (dataset) of YYYY(database name) =20 =20 Through ADAGER, we examined all paths for the dataset. It didn't report any errors. =20 Please help. =20 =20 Thank you, Kishan. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * This is not a matter of trying to read through a path. A Mode 4 DBGET reads the record number given to the record when it was stored with a DBPUT. It is not dependent on what path(s) the record might be in. I would suggest you put a display statement immediately before the Mode 4 DBGET to display the argument you are using as record number that it is trying to do the DBGET on. When it gets that error, it means it is not in the dataset. Check where you are getting the number being used for the argument. Edwin Clements --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Pannem, Jai Kishan K <JaiKishan.Pannem@HONEYWELL.COM> wrote: > From: Pannem, Jai Kishan K <JaiKishan.Pannem@HONEYWELL.COM> > Subject: [HP3000-L] TURBOIMAGE error- Directed end of file - DBGET, mode=4 on xxxx (dataset) of YYYY(database name) > To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU > Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 8:50 AM >...

TURBOIMAGE error- Directed end of file
Hello Guys, I'm trying to below turbo image debug error but I couldn't get any clue. Could you please help me out? TURBOIMAGE error- Directed end of file - DBGET, mode=3D4 on xxxx (dataset= ) of=20 YYYY(database name) Through ADAGER, we examined all paths for the dataset. It didn't report a= ny=20 errors. Please help. Thank you, Kishan. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * This error is usually a programming logic error, and reading by record number ca...

"latex file.tex" fails (WinXP) with "NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction"
Hi there, Suddenly, when I run a simple "latex file.tex" command in my WinXP machine, I get a little window that says "16 bit MS-DOS Subsystem" "The NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction". I know Microsoft has a test of sorts to check whether the problem is with Windows or with the other application, see http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;220155 My machine 'passes' this test. I know this question (or a similar one appeared in this group in the recent past, see http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/7216595e5b9b3ef8/c49da910a52091b1?lnk=st&q=miktex+ntvdm+cpu+has+encountered&rnum=1&hl=en#c49da910a52091b1 I was wondering if any of you has had the same problem, and if anybody found a solution to it yet, as I can't seem to do any latex'ing in this machine at the moment! Thanks a lot in advance. Matias FIXED! - Well, I haven't found the real cause of the problem, but Walter (see the previous thread linked above) suggested that cygwin could be part of it. Indeed, renaming my c:\cygwin directory to c:\bak-cygwin solved it. I'm guessing that removing it from the PATH environment variable would have had the same effect... Sill puzzled, but able to work now. Matias "Matias" <msalibian@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1140143607.778079.202400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > FIXED! - Well, I haven't found the real cause of the...

Re: TURBOIMAGE error- Directed end of file
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:38:54 -0500, Michael <michael@J3KSOLUTIONS.COM> wr= ote: >BTW: Does anyone know of a more up-to-date Image manual, maybe one that >shows all the new features of DBGET? > I'm not sure about any new features of DBGET, but the last edition of tha= t manual that I'm=20 aware of was the seventh. My copy shows a publication date of March 2000.= * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * ...

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