Hi everybody


I was cleaning out my closet, and I've found an old harddiskdrive. it's from
an 80286...  

Is there any way to check the data of that harddisk on a newer
computer (I accidently don't have a 286 anymore ;)


Thanks in advance


Greetings


Theo Vermeulen

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Theo Vermeulen <nospam@patat.org> wrote:
> Is there any way to check the data of that harddisk on a newer
> computer (I accidently don't have a 286 anymore ;)

Yes, just plug into the machine. It's probably just a few hundreds of
megabytes, it should be recognized.

Davide

In article <bmuisl$qb26q$1@ID-18487.news.uni-berlin.de>, Davide Bianchi wrote:
> Theo Vermeulen <nospam@patat.org> wrote:
>> Is there any way to check the data of that harddisk on a newer
>> computer (I accidently don't have a 286 anymore ;)
> 
> Yes, just plug into the machine. It's probably just a few hundreds of
> megabytes, it should be recognized.

If you're lucky. If you're not so lucky you'll have to find a mfm[0]
controller on a pci card -- I don't think very many of those exist.
Or find a machine with an ISA slot free and a suitable controller.


[0] Actually the encoding, the protocol is officially called something else.

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jpd <read_the_sig@do.not.spam.it> wrote:
> If you're lucky. If you're not so lucky you'll have to find a mfm[0]

Ye 'flippin god! If you're unlucky just toss the bugger in the trash!

Davide

On 19 Oct 2003, Davide Bianchi  wrote:
>  Theo Vermeulen <nospam@patat.org> wrote:
> > Is there any way to check the data of that harddisk on a newer
> > computer (I accidently don't have a 286 anymore ;)
> 
>  Yes, just plug into the machine. It's probably just a few hundreds of
>  megabytes, it should be recognized.
> 
>  Davide

problem is that it has an other sort of plugs (the ones also used for 5.25"
floppy-drives). maybe it could help if I'd say it has the same size as a
cdrom-drive. 
http://www.markus-debus.de/museum/img/pc10-st-251-1.jpg
http://www.redhill.net.au/jpg/d-st251.jpg
http://support.ap.dell.com/docs/DTA_gifs/ST351.gif
(seagate st-251)

btw, I think it's 20MB *hehe*


Greetings


Theo Vermeulen

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Theo Vermeulen <nospam@patat.org> wrote:
> problem is that it has an other sort of plugs (the ones also used for 5.25"
> floppy-drives). maybe it could help if I'd say it has the same size as a
> cdrom-drive. 

Geee... the trash can is waiting...

Davide

On 19 Oct 2003, Davide Bianchi wrote:
>  Theo Vermeulen <nospam@patat.org> wrote:
> > problem is that it has an other sort of plugs (the ones also used for 5.25"
> > floppy-drives). maybe it could help if I'd say it has the same size as a
> > cdrom-drive. 
> 
>  Geee... the trash can is waiting...


problem is that I'm really curious what's on that disk ... (+ I don't trow
away computer-stuff... I keep 'em, or burn 'em)

maybe I'll just have to search for a 80286 *sigh*



Greetings


Theo Vermeulen

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In article <3f92ee01$0$58712$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Theo Vermeulen wrote:
[snip: bloody old drive]
> 
> maybe I'll just have to search for a 80286 *sigh*

You still need the right controller...


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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:53:15 +0000 (UTC), jpd <read_the_sig@do.not.spam.it>
wrote:
> In article <3f92ee01$0$58712$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Theo Vermeulen wrote:
> [snip: bloody old drive]
>> 
>> maybe I'll just have to search for a 80286 *sigh*
> 
> You still need the right controller...
> 
The ST251-1 is a 40MB MFM style drive.  I haven't seen one in 12 years,
but ISTR that they used two data cables -- one about the size of 34-pin 
floppy cable, and a smaller (~20 pins) cable as well.  As long as you
have an ISA slot, you should be able to find an MFM controller at a 
surplus house.

Dave
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Dave Von Pless <drdvpTREE@freeshell.org> wrote in message news:<slrnbp8fdo.5ms.drdvpTREE@vinland.freeshell.org>...
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:53:15 +0000 (UTC), jpd <read_the_sig@do.not.spam.it>
> wrote:
> > In article <3f92ee01$0$58712$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Theo Vermeulen wrote:
> > [snip: bloody old drive]
> >> 
> >> maybe I'll just have to search for a 80286 *sigh*
> > 
> > You still need the right controller...
> > 
> The ST251-1 is a 40MB MFM style drive.  I haven't seen one in 12 years,
> but ISTR that they used two data cables -- one about the size of 34-pin 
> floppy cable, and a smaller (~20 pins) cable as well.  As long as you
> have an ISA slot, you should be able to find an MFM controller at a 
> surplus house.
> 
> Dave


Do a google search for "hard drive st-506", there are several links.
I was at the local community college and found several of these cards
in
a give/throw away box.  I showed it to several students, and none of
then had any idea what kind of card it was.  After I told them it was
a controller card
they were still clueless.  No, I did not keep one for old time sake. 
There was a prep command "low-level format?" for these drives.

I once found a 10 MB, full height, 5.25inch formfactor hard drive.  It
drew one amp at twelve volts.

Walt R.

In article <47958aeb.0310222210.dd36bfe@posting.google.com>, Walt R wrote:
[snip]
> There was a prep command "low-level format?" for these drives.

Pack a few in a not-too-big box, and set them to do repeated low-level
formats. add corn...  At least that's how the story goes.

Given that (still older) drives _do_ walk, I don't doubt it.


> I once found a 10 MB, full height, 5.25inch formfactor hard drive.  It
> drew one amp at twelve volts.

My first hdd was a 20MB half-height 5.25" thing, and it sounded like a
jet taking off. I think I suffered my first computer-induced hearing loss
from that thing.


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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:53:15 +0000 (UTC), jpd wrote:
>  In article <3f92ee01$0$58712$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Theo Vermeulen wrote:
>  [snip: bloody old drive]
> > 
> > maybe I'll just have to search for a 80286 *sigh*
> 
>  You still need the right controller...


EUREKA, I've found one :D  (should work, but the man wasn't 100% sure)


now let's start searching for a computer which supports that card ... (why
did my dad used to throw away old computers :( )



Greetings


Theo Vermeulen

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