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#### Which To Use - Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman

Is Times the standard serif font? I'm deciding which font to use for a book I'm
writing. My printer, HP 4ML PostScript, has the resident PostScript font Times
Roman (strangely, the bold, italic and bold italic are Times). I recall that
PageMaker 5 pushed for using Times. I now have PageMaker 7, and in its font
list (the same list that appears in any application) is Times and Times New
Roman. Would appreciate your explanation as to how resident printer fonts
relate to whatever font I select from the font list (these are usually True
Type, although there are other kinds). Also, a recommendation as to which Times
font to use, or if another serif font has replaced it as being the most
conventional.

Neil
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http://www.carolwilsongallery.com

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Nhmiller wrote:

> Is Times the standard serif font? I'm deciding which font to use for a book I'm
> writing. My printer, HP 4ML PostScript, has the resident PostScript font Times
> Roman (strangely, the bold, italic and bold italic are Times). I recall that
> PageMaker 5 pushed for using Times. I now have PageMaker 7, and in its font
> list (the same list that appears in any application) is Times and Times New
> Roman. Would appreciate your explanation as to how resident printer fonts
> relate to whatever font I select from the font list (these are usually True
> Type, although there are other kinds). Also, a recommendation as to which Times
> font to use, or if another serif font has replaced it as being the most
> conventional.
>
> Neil
> Cat Paintings At Carol Wilson Gallery
> http://www.carolwilsongallery.com

Just say No.

The fact that some version of Times New Roman (Times is a knockoff;
Times roman is just the normal, i.e., non-italic, non-bold, face in the
Times family) is the "most conventional," to use your phrase, should
never be a justification for using it where something else is a better
choice; and in a book, almost anything else is a better choice. Times
New Roman was designed for, and looks good in, a narrow newspaper
column. It is used in cheap paperback novels for economic reasons (lots
of words on a page means fewer pages to print).

In a book you want something that is less condensed, more open, possibly
with longer ascenders and descenders, which will be more inviting to read.

You say your printer is HP 4ML PostScript (the fellow must be very
dedicated to his craft to have changed his name to that). I thought you
were _writing_ a book. If that's the case, why are even thinking about
font choice at this stage? That's a design decision that can be made
later, after the manuscript is complete. At that point you can consult
choices regarding page size, number of pages, etc. This will to some
extent constrain your choice of fonts, but you certainly don't have to
settle for Times; you most definitely do not have to produce your book
on a desktop laser printer; and you are never restricted to the fonts
resident on any device.


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Dick
8/29/2004 3:13:28 AM
Dick Margulis writes:

> In a book you want something that is less condensed, more open, possibly
> with longer ascenders and descenders, which will be more inviting to read.

Suggestions?

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Mxsmanic
8/29/2004 3:43:12 AM

Mxsmanic wrote:

> Dick Margulis writes:
>
>
>>In a book you want something that is less condensed, more open, possibly
>>with longer ascenders and descenders, which will be more inviting to read.
>
>
> Suggestions?
>

The original question did not provide sufficient information about the
nature of the book to support any specific suggestions.

If I were to ask you, writing under some androgynous pseudonym such as
the ones often adopted by people in a.b.f, "what should I wear?" you
might reasonably want to know something about my sex, age, height,
weight, and physical attractiveness. You might also want to know about
where I am, the climate, the season, today's weather, and both the place
and occasion I was getting dressed to go to, before giving me an
intelligent suggestion. It's much the same with recommending a font.


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Dick
8/29/2004 10:57:34 AM
Dick Margulis writes:

> The original question did not provide sufficient information about the
> nature of the book to support any specific suggestions.

It appeared to provide enough information to support the suggestion that
he not use Times.

--
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Mxsmanic
8/29/2004 12:26:31 PM

Mxsmanic wrote:

> Dick Margulis writes:
>
>
>>The original question did not provide sufficient information about the
>>nature of the book to support any specific suggestions.
>
>
> It appeared to provide enough information to support the suggestion that
> he not use Times.
>

That's a safe suggestion under most circumstances outside of newspaper work.


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Dick
8/29/2004 1:06:05 PM
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Dick Margulis writes:
>
>
>>The original question did not provide sufficient information about the
>>nature of the book to support any specific suggestions.
>
>
> It appeared to provide enough information to support the suggestion that
> he not use Times.

To continue Dick's analogy, Times would be the equivalent of a Pink,
Orange, Purple and Blue plaid size 96 garment. Yes, it MIGHT be
appropriate in some specific circumstance, but he's saying that it's a
pretty safe bet that it wouldn't be for a book.

- Character

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Character
8/29/2004 1:50:47 PM

Character wrote:

> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> Dick Margulis writes:
>>
>>
>>> The original question did not provide sufficient information about
>>> the nature of the book to support any specific suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> It appeared to provide enough information to support the suggestion that
>> he not use Times.
>
>
> To continue Dick's analogy, Times would be the equivalent of a Pink,
> Orange, Purple and Blue plaid size 96 garment.
>

Okay, ya got me. I guess I have to take another bag to the Salvation
Army drop box.


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Dick
8/29/2004 1:53:03 PM
Dick Margulis writes:

> That's a safe suggestion under most circumstances outside of newspaper work.

Then what would be a safe suggestion to use in its place?

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Mxsmanic
8/29/2004 1:59:40 PM

Mxsmanic wrote:

> Dick Margulis writes:
>
>
>>That's a safe suggestion under most circumstances outside of newspaper work.
>
>
> Then what would be a safe suggestion to use in its place?
>

You are asking a meaningless question. Would you ask a composer, "What's
the best note?"

Tell us something about the book. What sort of book is it--a coffee
table art book, a novel, a textbook, a humor book, a political screed?
.... Is the book illustrated with black line drawings? With color
photographs? With nothing at all? ... What is the subject? What is the
style and diction of the author? Does the book stand alone or in the
context of other books? How long is the book? How will it be marketed
(traditional publisher? mail order self-published? eBook for online
reading? ... ) What is the price point you're aiming for? If you are
printing the book, how many copies do you anticipate printing the first
time?

Once you start down the rabbit hole of book design, these and a hundred
other questions come into play. They lead you to some ideas about paper
choice, page size, margins (not reductionist certainties, merely a
narrowed ranges of choice). These choices, in turn, help guide you to
some ideas about what might be appropriate fonts. After that, it comes
down to esthetic judgment, personal taste, and availability/cost
considerations.

Of the thousands of available text faces, there might be a hundred or
more that could be used appropriately in any given project. Of those,
the designer might have a dozen that he or she is personally familiar
with and attracted to. Of those, the other decision-makers might or
might not have personal favorites.

So it is absurd to ask for a single safe suggestion to use in the
general category "book"; there is no single answer.

And we haven't even touched the subject of whether to have a display
face that is different from the text face, nor what to do about the
cover and dust jacket.


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Dick
8/29/2004 2:52:40 PM
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:09:54 -0400, Nhmiller wrote
(in article <20040828210954.16633.00002614@mb-m22.aol.com>):

> Would appreciate your explanation as to how resident printer fonts
> relate to whatever font I select from the font list (these are usually True
> Type, although there are other kinds).

Okay, back to your original question.... This has to do with the ways that
fonts appear in your applications: the operating system's Fonts folder, a
type manager, local application folders, or the printer driver.

Operating system's fonts folder

This item doesn't need a lot of explanation. Well, maybe this: If you wonder
why fonts with file extensions of FON don't appear in some applications, it's
because those applications have been instructed not to (meaning that some
apps will let you use them, some won't). Word, for instance, cannot use

Type managers

These applications, such as Adobe Type Manager, allow you to turn on fonts
that are in locations other than the system's Fonts folder.

Local application folders

Some applications (Illustrator, for example), can use a local fonts folder,
which is simply a folder tucked away inside the main Illustrator folder. If
the application folder is the only location of the fonts and they are not
enabled through a type manager, fonts installed to this folder won't be seen
by other programs.

If you have fonts in a local folder, you can move them into your main font
library and delete them from the local folder, thereby making them available

Printer drivers

When you install a printer, the printer driver provides some feedback to the
operating system, identifying the fonts that it believes are resident within
the printer. These fonts may or may not be installed on your computer, which

Windows, thinking that it's doing you a favor, lets you use these resident
fonts in applications even if they are not actually installed on your
computer. That's why when a PostScript printer is your default printer, you
can use Times, but when you switch to a non-PostScript printer, it
disappears. If the real Times font is installed and enabled via the operating
system or via a type manager, it will be available throughout all
applications that can use Type 1 and available no matter which printer your
are attached to.


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Tim
8/31/2004 12:08:42 AM
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:13:28 -0400, Dick Margulis wrote
(in article <10j2ijjp660p192@news.supernews.com>):

> The fact that some version of Times New Roman (Times is a knockoff;
> Times roman is just the normal, i.e., non-italic, non-bold, face in the
> Times family)

This is an interesting write-up on its history:

http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/articles/times.htm


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Tim
8/31/2004 12:11:30 AM

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I have to convert integers to Roman Numerals but I cannot have output in the switch statment. I also cannot use print or println only printf. I can't figure out hot to output without putting it in the switch statment. Help? A switch statement is shorthand for a series of if/then/else statements. dnlandes@gmail.com wrote: >I have to convert integers to Roman Numerals but I cannot have output >in the switch statment. I also cannot use print or println only >printf. I can't figure out hot to output without putting it in the >switch statment. Help? -- Regards, Casey Please do not top post. dnlandes@gmail.com wrote: >> I have to convert integers to Roman Numerals but I cannot have output >> in the switch statment. I also cannot use print or println only >> printf. I can't figure out hot to output without putting it in the >> switch statment. Help? Casey Hawthorne wrote: > A switch statement is shorthand for a series of if/then/else > statements. I read the OP's question as how to use a switch statement but not have output occur within it. If that interpretation is correct: If you cannot put the output inside the switch, where else can you put it? What information needs to be available at that point in order to produce the desired output? -- Lew dnlandes@gmail.com wrote: > I have to convert integers to Roman Numerals but I cannot have output > in the switch statment. I also cannot use print or printl...

I am buying all of the below Cisco equipment USED OR NEW. NOTE some line items say new or used, but I will buy them in both conditions. #2
I am buying all of the below Cisco equipment USED OR NEW. NOTE some line items say new or used, but I will buy them in both conditions. I am also buying Cisco equipment that is not listed as well. I also buy equipment from Brocade, Juniper, Foundry, HP, IBM, Nortel, Lucent and others. WS-SUP720-3B=3D WS-SUP720-3BXL=3D WS-X6548-GE-TX WS-X6748-GE-TX=3D WS-SUP32-GE-3B=3D WS-SUP32-10GE-3B WS-X6708-10GE WS-X6708-10G-3C WS-X6716-10GE WS-X6716-10G-3C=3D WS-X6148-GE-TX=3D WS-X6148A-GE-TX=3D WS-X6582-2PA=3D WS-X6724-SFP=3D WS-X6704-10GE=3D WS-F6700-DFC3BXL WS-SVC-FWM-1-K9 WS...

Roman font doesn't change, conflict with fontspec or T1?
Hi, could anyone tell me why in this example, the "normal" font is not MinionPro? \documentclass{scrartcl} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage[minionint,mathlf]{MinionPro} \usepackage{fontspec} \setsansfont{Myriad Pro} \begin{document} \section{Heading} The Cauchy integral formula... \end{document} Basically, I just want to use MyriadPro-Semibold for the headings but MinionPro with MnSymbol for all other stuff. Since I didn't manage to install MyriadPro through otftotfm, I decided to use XeLaTeX. But now I just don't get how I can use both fonts at the same time. When I use one single font of those two, it works fine. Maybe there is a conflict with this fontspec-Package? I'd be happy if someone could look over it and perhaps tell me how LaTeX does what I want it to do :-) Thanks in advance! Btw.: I also posted this on LaTeX-Community. Am Thu, 14 May 2009 02:58:39 -0700 (PDT) schrieb jbmaier@web.de: > Hi, > > could anyone tell me why in this example, the "normal" font is not > MinionPro? > > \documentclass{scrartcl} > \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} > \usepackage[minionint,mathlf]{MinionPro} > \usepackage{fontspec} > > \setsansfont{Myriad Pro} > > \begin{document} > \section{Heading} > The Cauchy integral formula... > \end{document} fontspec sets the default fonts to latin modern. So you must reset it with \setmainfon...

Swing Font, it's Java Font? ot native? how install new font?
Font from Swing controls, is native (windows) font, or it's not use with window API to draw the font on the screen? if not, where I can see what font available on my Java system? and how I can install new one, or maybe install Window Font? mttc wrote: > Font from Swing controls, is native (windows) font, or it's not use > with window API to draw the font on the screen? I think both. Java has it's own fonts, and it will use the native (Windows) ones too. > if not, where I can see what font available on my Java system? <http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/...

Setting verbatim font to roman family causes special characters to display improperly
All, At the end of my style file, I have added the following line: \setverbatimfont{\normalfont\rmfamily} I was wanting the font to correspond to the remainder of my document, and and also, I was wanting to be able to get more characters on a line without wrapping. When I add the above parameter, the following characters don't display properly, ">", and "{", for example. Is there a way to get the special characters to print normally, or do I need to shorten my lines? Thanks, Diana M. Diana <diana.mecum@gmail.com> wrote: > All, > > At the end of my style file, I have added the following line: > > \setverbatimfont{\normalfont\rmfamily} > > I was wanting the font to correspond to the remainder of my document, > and and also, I was wanting to be able to get more characters on a > line without wrapping. > > When I add the above parameter, the following characters don't display > properly, > > ">", and "{", for example. Is there a way to get the special > characters to print normally, or do I need to shorten my lines? \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} Ciao Enrico ...

Used fonts in Indesign that are not really used
This is an odd glitch that I have come across twice now in the last two weeks. When I package Indesign CS documents, it includes fonts (in both cases a variant of Tahoma) that it claims are used somewhere in the document. However, this font is not used anywhere. If I try & replace the font with another, it still remains there. If I look at further details, it says: Character Count - 0 Page - None Now if I delete every text box from the document it goes, but never until the last box has been deleted, no matter which box that is. If I try & find & replace it, it doesn't find anything. Now in one document it is on the first page, but in the other it doesn't appear untill about page 68. Any suggestions what causes the appearance of this ghost font, or how to get rid of it from the document? -- Matthew Taylor www.mtaylor.co.uk www.elginism.com In article <KrOdnRGfM9DoUrPeRVnyiA@pipex.net>, Matthew Taylor <matthew.DONOTSPAM@NOSPAM.mtaylor.co.uk> wrote: > Any suggestions what causes the appearance of this ghost font, or how to > get rid of it from the document? Is it used in a paragraph or character style? -- September 19 is International Talk Like A Pirate Day. Just Do It. Arrrr. Dave Balderstone wrote: > In article <KrOdnRGfM9DoUrPeRVnyiA@pipex.net>, Matthew Taylor > <matthew.DONOTSPAM@NOSPAM.mtaylor.co.uk> wrote: > > >>Any suggestions what causes the appearance of this ghost font, or how...

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