I have a frame of over 15 Netra T1 servers, each with 2 physical interfaces connected to two different LANs. Both LANs are behind a router connected to the outside network. Two of these servers are configured to broadcast NTP time (default stratum 13) to the rest of the frame. All servers in the frame use the top two servers as their "peers". There is a remote server (Netra 20) sitting outside of these two LANs on the other side of the router and configured as an NTP server but does not broadcast. All servers in the LANs define the remote server as their "preferred" server and have 'slewalways' set. This remote server runs clock at stratum 5. The idea here is that all the servers in the LANs use the remote server for time. If the remote server is not available, they all point to the top two servers and try to sync off each other while waiting for the remote server to be the primary time source. We are experiencing a problem when the time on the remote server is approx. 5 minutes ahead of all servers in the LAN, but the offset only shows up as something less than ~600 ms. I guess this is due to slewing. In effect, the NTP daemon on local servers knows the time on the remote server and internally keeps slewing the clock. A snapshot taken for "ntpq -p" from a local server is included below. Note how the offset value increases by approx. 32 ms every 64 seconds. When it reaches a threshold somewhere above 600 ms, it resets. When the reset occurs, NTP server logs a "time reset" message and all servers lose synchornization with the remote server. During this time, top two NTP servers stop broadcasting for about ~3 minutes (same amount of time that these servers are not synchronized with the remote server). After ~3 minutes, they claim to be synchronized with the remote server with offset at about 100 ms. Then the offset continues to grow to a threshold somewhere near 600+ ms. Then it logs a reset message again showing the same delta. This cycle is repeating about every 20 minutes for last several weeks. The actual time difference between local servers and the remote server has remained at about 5 minutes. I have not been able to recreate this problem. I have tried introducing network delay of up to 300 ms with no luck in creating the pattern of offset increase and associated reset. Has anyone else seen a similar problem? Or do you have any explantion for it? Thanks. Thu Jul 17 14:25:14 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== +loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -6.67 265.437 39.92 -loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 256 377 -28.53 18.847 28.96 +loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -13.44 294.060 52.26 +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -17.59 443.989 59.07 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -26.50 427.563 37.16 -loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -1.21 91.368 11.26 +loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -4.55 166.520 23.76 +loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -1.46 148.464 12.44 +loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 177 0.03 204.999 381.04 loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -6.68 -242.61 3891.71 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -17.50 439.655 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 2 0.00 0.000 16000.0 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 377 0.00 0.000 10.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 377 20.81 545.464 65.00 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 360 0.20 -389.44 16000.0 Thu Jul 17 14:26:18 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== +loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -7.03 286.432 40.44 -loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 256 377 -46.36 61.709 43.52 +loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -7.10 373.542 62.39 +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -17.12 474.647 59.11 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -26.50 427.563 30.84 +loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -1.27 96.980 11.29 +loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -4.41 178.625 23.82 +loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -1.54 154.751 12.54 +loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 377 0.05 208.150 131.38 loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -6.26 -226.23 1897.93 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -17.33 475.419 7893.39 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 6 -1.86 380.561 15875.5 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 377 0.00 0.000 10.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 377 20.45 579.628 65.46 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b loc-srv-eri1-l 13 u - 64 341 0.24 458.422 2500.63 Thu Jul 17 14:27:22 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== +loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -46.36 61.709 43.52 +loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -7.13 390.491 47.61 +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -17.12 474.647 44.43 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -26.50 427.563 44.39 +loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -1.24 102.619 11.35 +loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -4.56 190.651 23.76 +loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -0.84 160.561 12.13 +loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 377 0.06 211.241 6.50 xloc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -6.70 -210.24 901.72 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -17.06 510.766 3910.95 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 16 -1.39 385.230 7877.85 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 377 0.00 0.000 10.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 377 20.72 613.699 65.61 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 303 0.08 461.559 2078.25 Thu Jul 17 14:28:26 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== -loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 128 376 -46.36 61.709 47.21 +loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -7.08 407.485 40.30 +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -17.12 474.647 50.42 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -26.50 427.563 70.56 +loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -4.55 202.694 23.76 +loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -1.59 167.128 12.66 +loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 377 0.06 214.325 6.48 xloc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -6.70 -194.02 404.33 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -16.92 545.785 1923.86 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 36 -0.92 390.424 3880.57 loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 2 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 1 0.00 0.000 16000.0 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 377 0.00 0.000 10.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 377 20.72 613.699 50.45 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 207 0.06 464.659 1867.05 Thu Jul 17 14:29:31 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 1 -26.50 427.563 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 2 -1.59 167.128 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 1 0.06 214.325 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 1 -6.70 -194.02 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 1 -16.92 545.785 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 1 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 1 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-o LOCAL(0) 14 u - 64 1 0.00 0.000 16000.0 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 1 0.00 0.000 15885.0 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 - - 64 0 21.42 682.062 16000.0 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 1 0.06 464.659 16000.0 Thu Jul 17 14:30:35 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -9.05 -530.20 15875.6 loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 2 -7.03 -240.72 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -6.41 -101.14 7887.76 loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -11.76 -89.980 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 3 0.18 -461.55 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -6.47 -843.70 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -16.71 -66.833 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 2 -1.39 -281.80 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 2 0.09 -212.87 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -4.62 -139.90 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -2.47 -136.70 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -17.81 -82.940 15875.5 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 3 0.00 0.000 7885.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 1 21.88 32.683 15875.0 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 3 0.63 -211.44 15875.0 Thu Jul 17 14:31:39 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -9.05 -530.20 7883.58 loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 6 -7.02 -223.78 7883.99 loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -6.41 -101.14 3908.13 loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -11.52 -63.346 7888.81 loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 7 0.06 -458.40 7877.09 loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -6.64 -827.51 7883.61 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -16.71 -66.833 7891.51 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 6 -1.46 -276.82 7878.01 loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 6 0.05 -209.75 7877.08 loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -4.55 -127.66 7881.62 loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -2.50 -128.83 7879.43 loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -17.50 -46.476 7893.75 loc-srv-eri0-e LOCAL(0) 14 u - 64 2 0.00 0.000 16000.0 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 7 0.00 0.000 3885.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 3 20.58 67.477 7892.41 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 7 0.58 -208.34 7876.56 Thu Jul 17 14:32:43 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -9.05 -530.20 3890.95 loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 16 -7.11 -206.74 3892.52 loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -6.41 -101.14 1931.02 loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -11.35 -37.232 3901.73 loc-srv-eri0-n remote-server 12 u - 64 17 0.05 -455.27 3878.66 loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -6.71 -811.31 3891.71 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -16.71 -66.833 3912.03 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 16 -1.02 -271.57 3880.69 loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 16 0.03 -206.63 3878.63 loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -4.44 -115.32 3887.82 loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -2.41 -121.00 3883.35 loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -17.20 -10.693 3911.47 loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 6 -16.53 22.264 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-p loc-srv-eri1-b 13 u - 64 1 0.00 0.000 16000.0 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 17 0.00 0.000 1885.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 7 20.51 101.476 3909.21 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 17 0.63 -205.21 3878.14 Thu Jul 17 14:33:47 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -9.05 -530.20 1897.81 loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 36 -7.10 -189.79 1898.85 #loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 37 1.28 -4.696 938.92 loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -9.99 -12.013 1910.69 loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -6.71 -795.12 1897.77 loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -16.71 -66.833 1934.83 loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 36 -1.88 -266.51 1882.54 loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 36 0.03 -203.52 1879.79 loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -4.58 -103.08 1892.35 loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -2.49 -113.17 1886.28 loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -17.27 24.822 1924.56 loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 16 -16.42 57.471 7893.11 loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 3 -1.39 -6.779 15875.5 loc-srv-eri0-c loc-srv-eri1-b 13 u - 64 2 0.00 0.000 16000.0 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 37 0.00 0.000 885.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 17 20.48 135.587 1921.95 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 37 0.67 -202.09 1879.30 Thu Jul 17 14:34:51 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== ..loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -1.88 -498.93 895.23 -loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 76 -7.22 -172.55 903.35 +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 77 1.28 17.515 428.48 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -8.13 9.026 912.81 ..loc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -6.85 -778.25 902.47 +loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -16.71 -66.833 941.88 -loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 76 -1.50 -261.54 883.68 ..loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 76 -0.49 -200.08 880.89 +loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -4.96 -90.251 895.97 +loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -2.79 -104.73 888.79 +loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -17.18 60.612 933.58 loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 36 -16.78 92.701 3910.74 loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 7 -1.40 -0.510 7878.63 loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 6 -4.94 10.834 15875.5 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 77 0.00 0.000 385.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 37 20.48 135.587 917.72 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 -loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 77 0.61 -198.35 880.66 Thu Jul 17 14:35:55 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== ..loc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -1.75 -493.47 390.69 +loc-srv-eri0-f remote-server 12 u - 64 176 -7.06 -155.10 406.33 +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 177 1.37 38.952 172.85 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -8.10 28.590 413.10 xloc-srv-eri0-q remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -6.06 -761.78 404.94 +loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -16.71 -66.833 451.46 -loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 176 -1.40 -256.04 384.92 +loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 176 0.15 -196.48 381.68 +loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -4.65 -77.813 397.78 +loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -2.47 -96.764 389.86 +loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 177 -16.80 95.532 438.35 loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 76 -15.96 127.920 1923.93 loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 17 -1.30 5.129 3881.30 loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 16 -4.61 23.455 7881.82 loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 2 0.00 0.000 16000.0 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 177 0.00 0.000 135.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 77 20.87 204.364 444.24 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 ..loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 177 0.11 -194.86 381.70 Thu Jul 17 14:36:59 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== xloc-srv-eri0-l remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -1.95 -488.17 138.37 +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 377 1.31 60.438 45.24 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -8.10 48.140 163.54 +loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -16.71 -66.833 216.32 -loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -1.22 -250.95 135.24 -loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 376 0.06 -193.43 131.61 +loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -4.68 -65.569 148.68 +loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -2.40 -88.951 140.37 +loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -16.80 95.532 189.30 +loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 176 -16.10 162.499 932.14 loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 37 -1.22 10.800 1883.35 loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 36 -4.56 35.496 3887.70 loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 6 -1.53 35.472 15875.5 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 377 0.00 0.000 10.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 177 20.55 238.331 193.07 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 ..loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 377 0.15 -191.80 131.62 Thu Jul 17 14:38:03 EDT 2003 remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ============================================================================== +loc-srv-eri0-h remote-server 12 u - 64 377 1.27 81.909 41.64 +loc-srv-eri0-d remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -8.15 67.662 38.89 +loc-srv-eri0-j remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -4.01 63.852 87.66 -loc-srv-eri0-g remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -1.16 -245.94 10.33 ..loc-srv-eri0-b remote-server 12 u - 64 376 0.23 -190.40 6.56 +loc-srv-eri0-m remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -4.68 -53.345 24.22 +loc-srv-eri0-i remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -2.47 -81.094 15.73 +loc-srv-eri0-o remote-server 12 u - 64 377 -16.80 95.532 65.81 +loc-srv-eri0-e remote-server 12 u - 64 376 -16.05 197.006 437.26 ..loc-srv-eri0-p remote-server 12 u - 64 77 -1.25 16.392 884.67 loc-srv-eri0-c remote-server 12 u - 64 76 -4.56 47.564 1892.17 loc-srv-eri0-k remote-server 12 u - 64 16 -1.54 41.736 7878.65 LOCAL(0) LOCAL(0) 13 l - 64 377 0.00 0.000 10.01 224.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 *remote-server LOCAL(0) 11 u - 64 377 20.43 272.249 67.69 loc-srv-eri0-a 0.0.0.0 16 - - 64 0 0.00 0.000 16000.0 -loc-srv-eri1-b remote-server 12 u - 64 377 0.23 -188.69 6.65